Realy? Read what I quoted about what I said again.
Our discussion started with one issue - the fact you advised me, rudely, to check my eyes because I said that there was a difference in the visuals between standard and premium cars.
And until they do, if it was me, I would hold back from stating it as fact (as you have done).
At the moment we simply do not know 100%, and as such to build an argument around it as the central 'fact' means it looses a lot of its credibility.
The only "fact" I presented in this thread as a solid one was the visual difference between Standard and Premium vehicles.
When I was asked by steve30x about a proof regarding GT5
cars being Premium cars in GT5 I mentioned "the cockpit view". Following that I explained logic behind my assumption on which I based my statement that
"all GT5 cars will be premium", and why cars that are to be upscaled from GT4 directly to GT5 are to be standards. Both these assumptions are based on the news/evidences spilled in this past week.
As an assumption that is following a specific logical thinking, which I tried to explain, it has the possibility of being wrong, sure. As I've said
"the only thing that keeps everyone to reach those 100% (of certainty about the absence of cockpit view) is the fact that no one from PD/Sony has of yet stated the phrase 'there will be no cockpit point of view camera for Standard vehicles in GT5'". However I pointed my basis for such an assumption and, even if you eventually disagree with it, I find that you would agree that it is not totally void of sense.
If somehow I gave you, or anyone else, the feeling I was stating it as a fact I'm sorry. But I think that if you re-read my posts in this thread again you'll find that I haven't. It is an assumption of mine, based on the leads I've mentioned.
Let me add this also to that
assumption: In the eventuality of GT5 feature a 'blackened detailless dashboard" in standard cars as a cockpit view, I do believe that it would confirm that the game was meant to be released without cockpit view in standard models. Why? Because the same logic of "downsized quality" compared to GT5
would apply. It doesn't make sense to have beautiful detailed cockpits in all cars (but one) in the Prologue, and then a simplified GTPSP
ish version of it in the final product.
After E3 we didn't know about weather, track editor, etc.
That doesn't mean that they were not in, simply that we didn't yet have information on them.
True. However, you would likely admit that, contrarily to what we have heard from E3 about Standard cockpit view, that was reported as absence by a reporter who had a individual(?) presentation with KY, and by KY himself on the Honda tweeter session that gives indication of that absence, those features, although longly rumored weren't slightly mentioned. Neither indicating confirmation or denial.
I would also refer you to the thread we have on the GT5 forum here in which a number of sources (some more credible than others) state that PD staff at E3 said that standard cars would have interiors, just not as detailed as the Premium cars.
Taking the chance to not be mentioning exactly the same sources you are, those basically say about the same that has been said for quite a few months now, and on which was at the time largely based the 'theory' of "no interior view" being regard damage modeling and not camera view.
Again the official site makes no mention of weather, track editor, etc.
Yet these have been confirmed by the president of SCE on the official Playstation website in the EU.
Beside the actual wording on the site is ambiguous in itself.
Yes it is. Everything (official) about GT5 is ambiguous it seems. However, again my assumption, following the logic presented and the difference of relevance give there between Premium cockpit view (and images) and no reference at all regarding the same in Standard vehicles points out to the same conclusion -> Standard Cars without Cockpit view.
Sorry but this is not correct.
What the official sources have stated (and stated as far back as GT4) is that the work done on the past game (and it is GT4 we are talking about here) was to a level of detail far in excess of what was required for the game (and the platform could handle).
Its also misleading to state that no car in GT4 had an interior modeled, as while we had no cockpit view, quite a number of cars had dashboards and/or full interiors.
(photo examples)
I have to say that I completely ignored before what you have presented me in those examples and admit that I was absolutely wrong about GT4 didn't have interiors modeled (apart from convertible vehicles, which was quite obvious on those).
However I have a question regarding this: being that those interiors presented on those examples are of very poor quality (compared to PS3 graphics) or are a generic black dash I'd imagine that either they did collected the whole necessary data to do a cockpit at GT5
level then or these would be interiors, even upscaled to PS3 levels, will be much poorer compared to the Premium ones. Am I making any sense? Or am I missing something?
And I hope that I have explain why your logic still has a few 'holes' in it.
Don't get me wrong I am not on either side of the debate, and that's exactly why I can't support an argument based on the assumption that all Standard cars are without a cockpit.
Yes you did. And since my
logic it is an "
assumption" (not a fact), it is both open to criticism (constructive as this one) as to, sequentially, complete disagreement. I'm not looking for support on my view, I'm just stating and presenting the evidences on which its based. If I'm wright, I'm wright. If I'm wrong, well I'm wrong. I don't consider my credibility is at stake here and, if it is to someone, on the forum... well that's too bad but that's nothing that I give that much relevance (how much credibility I have in an internet forum).
I'm sorry for the long reply but the nice way you're conducting your intervention with me deserved a fully and more deeper response.
Hope I could explain my logic.
