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[amar212]

I completely share what Simbad has said.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

There's a Disturbing lack of maintenance going on.

What gives?

Maybe they are "planning" on fixing the freaking Edge Camaro from freezing. Ugh

 

[analog]

For me to become interested in the inclusion of a new car, it has to offer something that is not offered already, which isn't easy.

Ahem..

Just a few random examples to show it's fairly easy to come up with types of cars not included yet which in my opinion would add something really different.

 

[amar212]

Absolutely.

I already had a similar type of debate with Earth on that matter. Adding any of new LeMans models - as he was critical about that point for example - adds no true value to the game itself.

But adding pre-war model for example does.

Also, having "mainstream-attractive" car list does not make a better game. However, new features, unique details and small things that GT delivers in one package does.

GT series will not get any additional value with MP12-4LM or 2012 SL65. But it would get new value with 5 new locations for the Course Maker, point-to-point Course Maker with online integration, re-introduction of the Original Courses from previous GT games including rally ones, re-introductin of the Photo Locations from GT4 and GT5rologue menus, ability to change oil in the Pit Area, B-Spec online real-time multiplayer, return of the official matchmaking, inclusion of partial Leaderboards, introduction of female drivers as avatar figures with proper suits, introduction of the Paint Shop concept, having original Test Track being included in the Speed Test Area, ability to erase Time Trial results, ability to have sorting for tuned/non-tuned cars in Time Trial, re-introduction of Time Trial results showcase as in GT2, introduction of proper in-race info on the already existing driver-list on the right side of the HUD (with basic time-gap info, lap-time info and pit-entry icon in real-time), to get ability to turn HUD in partial steps on dedicated button, to get Event Generator in veins of the GT PSP Race Mode (that was damn brilliant one), to get Diagnostic Area in the GT Auto with introduction of scalable chassis/engine wear that would give us information of stet-of-wear for particular vehicle so we can decide better when is the right time to run the Refresh, to introduce a post-race celebration sequences with drivers in gears, to allow posing of group of drivers in front of their cars for MP online, to introduce Team Racing as an option for online, etc, etc, etc.. I could go on forever.

Those are improvements. Those are things that can make a game better. Not another car in game that already have 1074 cars (and probably even more incoming).

 

[BlisteredHand]

GT6 could have 100% Japanese cars only and it would still be a defining racing game of it's time. A car list or what types of car it has is not what makes Gran Turismo rise or fall.
In fact if it had 0% cars of any country of origin, and they were all made up unlicensed custom cars GT would still be a genre defining racing sim, and a world wide best seller.

 

[sinbad]

Ahem..

Just a few random examples to show it's fairly easy to come up with types of cars not included yet which in my opinion would add something really different.

Yep, the list is perhaps not as short as I made out, but you're into obscure car lists in most cases, relatively, so it's not that easy

Historic formula one, particularly, imho, pre-wings, like '67, and front engined cars from the 50s would certainly be on the list and are the most obvious and would be great fun too, but very few modern, current cars would be, because the existing variety is so wide.

 

[analog]

I could go on forever.

Seems like you already did , agree mostly with your points though even though it's probably a lot easier to just drop in a few more cars.
And if you're like me and are a bit selective when it comes to the cars already included (meaning I mostly drive Premium cars or open top Standards with a 'decent' cockpit view) that 1074 number is quite meaningless even though factually true.

I currently own about 420 or so Premium cars alone (all used frequently at one point which shows both there's a lot possible to do with a limited yet varied range and what a sad git I really am...) and any new addition is therefor quite significant (given I like it ofcourse but then most car interest me at some level) but I'll admit it has to be something truly different or unique for a DLC car or cars to become a gamechanger.

The best thing you can wish for is that it extends the lifespan of GT5 slightly more but so far it has mostly revived a short term interest for most it seems.

 

[OHM_fusion]

I'm glad PD included some cars like the Samba Bus, and I hope the GT series never focuses on supercars. However, I think that "quirky" additions like the Kubelwagen should be added after a comprehensive car list that focuses equally on Japanese, American and European cars is made. Cars like this should be the "icing on the cake".

As far as the premium car list goes, I think they did a good job on the selection except for one thing: the Formula Gran Turismo. It really surprised me that it isn't premium, especially considering that a whole series of events is tied to that car. Many people wanted their dose of formula racing in GT, and I think that just by making the FGT premium (and perhaps paintable) they could have made that aspect of the game a lot more enjoyable.

 

[Raitziger]

Seems like you already did , agree mostly with your points though even though it's probably a lot easier to just drop in a few more cars.

No it is not. PD says that modeller has to work months on a car to make in the game. That is just ridiculous.

 

[mcfizzle]

Great list Amar.👍

I would add ability to set length of race by time, not just laps, in online mode ability for host to set starting grid.

 

[GTPorsche]

I do like Amar's ideas. 👍

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Could someone please explain why my Personal Music settings keep reverting to default on a PS3 Slim?

Unfortunately, I made the mistake of screwing up the settings on a 2nd account that WAS playing music just fine. I wanted to see what the settings were and now I'm suffering with not hearing the music I want to hear.

WTF PD!!!!

 

[mikecustom]

GT6 could have 100% Japanese cars only and it would still be a defining racing game of it's time. A car list or what types of car it has is not what makes Gran Turismo rise or fall.
In fact if it had 0% cars of any country of origin, and they were all made up unlicensed custom cars GT would still be a genre defining racing sim, and a world wide best seller.

no, gt is not even close to be a ''genre defining racing sim'' i think that title belongs to Forza franchise now, i already think gt5 is ****, imagine a gt6 like that, RIP GT franchise, RIP PD

 

[ch3ng]

GT6 could have 100% Japanese cars only and it would still be a defining racing game of it's time. A car list or what types of car it has is not what makes Gran Turismo rise or fall.
In fact if it had 0% cars of any country of origin, and they were all made up unlicensed custom cars GT would still be a genre defining racing sim, and a world wide best seller.

No. Some people don't know how much impact a car list can have. Maybe GT6 should have only 5 cars. We will see how good it sells

If you offer hundreds of cars from different countries the audience is bigger.

GT had no competition on console and is a good product with a huge carlist. That was the reason for the huge success.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I think I found a solution to the music dilemma. At the Hone screen, I went into Music, Library tab, hit & held L1 to select all, then Square for Menu, then shut it off for both menu & race.

 

[analog]

No it is not. PD says that modeller has to work months on a car to make in the game. That is just ridiculous.

They are already working on GT6 so they must already have a lot of models ready right now, which they can choose to save for GT6 or make available as DLC.
That's what I meant, I didn't say modelling new cars is easy or doesn't take a lot of time to do.

 

[Flaco13]

Absolutely.

I already had a similar type of debate with Earth on that matter. Adding any of new LeMans models - as he was critical about that point for example - adds no true value to the game itself.

But adding pre-war model for example does.

Also, having "mainstream-attractive" car list does not make a better game. However, new features, unique details and small things that GT delivers in one package does.

GT series will not get any additional value with MP12-4LM or 2012 SL65. But it would get new value with 5 new locations for the Course Maker, point-to-point Course Maker with online integration, re-introduction of the Original Courses from previous GT games including rally ones, re-introductin of the Photo Locations from GT4 and GT5rologue menus, ability to change oil in the Pit Area, B-Spec online real-time multiplayer, return of the official matchmaking, inclusion of partial Leaderboards, introduction of female drivers as avatar figures with proper suits, introduction of the Paint Shop concept, having original Test Track being included in the Speed Test Area, ability to erase Time Trial results, ability to have sorting for tuned/non-tuned cars in Time Trial, re-introduction of Time Trial results showcase as in GT2, introduction of proper in-race info on the already existing driver-list on the right side of the HUD (with basic time-gap info, lap-time info and pit-entry icon in real-time), to get ability to turn HUD in partial steps on dedicated button, to get Event Generator in veins of the GT PSP Race Mode (that was damn brilliant one), to get Diagnostic Area in the GT Auto with introduction of scalable chassis/engine wear that would give us information of stet-of-wear for particular vehicle so we can decide better when is the right time to run the Refresh, to introduce a post-race celebration sequences with drivers in gears, to allow posing of group of drivers in front of their cars for MP online, to introduce Team Racing as an option for online, etc, etc, etc.. I could go on forever.

Those are improvements. Those are things that can make a game better. Not another car in game that already have 1074 cars (and probably even more incoming).

Please email a copy of this^ right to PD
Only thing I disagree is cars added are not improvements.

Btw. isn't it about time for us to recieve the next Academy car?

edit: Skyline GT-R V spec II (GT Academy) '94 is here, no Aeros or Rims available

 

[Griffith500]

No. Some people don't know how much impact a car list can have. Maybe GT6 should have only 5 cars. We will see how good it sells

If you offer hundreds of cars from different countries the audience is bigger.

GT had no competition on console and is a good product with a huge carlist. That was the reason for the huge success.

I expect GT6 will make up a lot for GT5's apparent shortcomings in that area. Much as GT2 and GT4 did for their respective prequels. The car list is one area in this series that has seen constant (long-term) improvement, so you should probably stop worrying about other games' car lists and remember that GT6 isn't very far away.

No it is not. PD says that modeller has to work months on a car to make in the game. That is just ridiculous.

Yeah, but there's at least 30 of them, so that in any six month period, you've got at least 30 new cars to "drop in". The other stuff needs to be conceived, coded and tested, which really isn't any easier - at least modeling cars is a relatively constant challenge, unlike features coding.

 

[mikecustom]

have you guys read the in-game credits? my god, 60% of PD's workforce goes to car modeling, one guy is responsible for physics, YES, 1 guy, 2 guys work on AI, 2 guys work on something called "sound simulation", its ridiculous and this has to stop, i dont care if a premium model has loads of ploygons, just give a model that looks good and stop the nonesense, give me an interior that works and look similar to the real life, dont give me 100% replicated BS, and ridiculous modeling of stitches on the wheel, give me better AI, better sound and physics, and save that ridiculous effort and time modeling a premium car

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

I think I found a solution to the music dilemma. At the Hone screen, I went into Music, Library tab, hit & held L1 to select all, then Square for Menu, then shut it off for both menu & race.

Also, a few weeks ago, GT5 home screen news feed mentioned that if music wasn't playing it was due to incompatibility with GT5.

You can read the entire news article at this link:

http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/support/d6430.html

 

[Samus]

have you guys read the in-game credits? my god, 60% of PD's workforce goes to car modeling, one guy is responsible for physics, YES, 1 guy, 2 guys work on AI, 2 guys work on something called "sound simulation", its ridiculous and this has to stop, i dont care if a premium model has loads of ploygons, just give a model that looks good and stop the nonesense, give me an interior that works and look similar to the real life, dont give me 100% replicated BS, and ridiculous modeling of stitches on the wheel, give me better AI, better sound and physics, and save that ridiculous effort and time modeling a premium car

Completely agree and I don't know if you realised but Kaz actually said you were spot on with that percentage. 60% of the entire dev time on GT5 went on car modelling. Based on the final product surely anyone must agree that is completely wrong.

 

[counter345]

Completely agree and I don't know if you realised but Kaz actually said you were spot on with that percentage. 60% of the entire dev time on GT5 went on car modelling. Based on the final product surely anyone must agree that is completely wrong.

and if only 30% was dedicated to car modelling, you would be happy with just ~100 premium cars?

 

[Samus]

and if only 30% was dedicated to car modelling, you would be happy with just ~100 premium cars?

No it wouldn't work like that, I'm not saying they should have modeled them to the same standard but only spent half the time on them, I'm saying they should have spent less time on them by not modelling them to such insane levels of detail. They simply don't have the staff numbers to afford to do that.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I don't know... I really like the attention to detail. Gives it a lively feel to it.

 

[Samus]

Eh? A lively feel to what? I'm not saying they should start doing shoddy work and rush everything but clearly 6 months of man hours per car is too much when you only have ~150 people working on the whole game.

I'm sure you really wouldn't notice slightly less detail on the cars if it meant the rest of the game had much more time spent on it.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Eh? A lively feel to what?

To the driving experience.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

have you guys read the in-game credits? my god, 60% of PD's workforce goes to car modeling, one guy is responsible for physics, YES, 1 guy, 2 guys work on AI, 2 guys work on something called "sound simulation", its ridiculous and this has to stop, i dont care if a premium model has loads of ploygons, just give a model that looks good and stop the nonesense, give me an interior that works and look similar to the real life, dont give me 100% replicated BS, and ridiculous modeling of stitches on the wheel, give me better AI, better sound and physics, and save that ridiculous effort and time modeling a premium car

EXACTLY!!! I can care less about the texture on the damned radio knob!

Also, a few weeks ago, GT5 home screen news feed mentioned that if music wasn't playing it was due to incompatibility with GT5.

You can read the entire news article at this link:

http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/support/d6430.html

Thank you 👍 it's ridiculous that sings that do play on XMB might not play in the game.

 

[OHM_fusion]

No it wouldn't work like that, I'm not saying they should have modeled them to the same standard but only spent half the time on them, I'm saying they should have spent less time on them by not modelling them to such insane levels of detail. They simply don't have the staff numbers to afford to do that.

While I agree PD doesn't have enough staff, it's better to have the cars modeled like this, because they are now ready for future games with minimal changes. If they modeled them to a lower standard, not only would they be at a disadvantage compared to other games, they would also have to rework the 200+ cars for future games. But this way, those cars are pretty much ready for the next game(s).

Either way, PD definitely needs to hire more people.

 

[Samus]

While I agree PD doesn't have enough staff, it's better to have the cars modeled like this, because they are now ready for future games with minimal changes. If they modeled them to a lower standard, not only would they be at a disadvantage compared to other games, they would also have to rework the 200+ cars for future games. But this way, those cars are pretty much ready for the next game(s).

Either way, PD definitely needs to hire more people.

That's exactly why they can't afford to work that way though. If you have a massive team you can afford to build things for the future and still have enough done for the present but with a small team it's much better to spend x amount of time working on GT5 models, release GT5 then spend y amount of years after GT5 working on the next models for GT6. Besides it's not like they would have to start from scratch again, the PS3 models would still be individually modelled and upgradable to PS4 quality, not like the standards.

Essentially what they have done is sacrifice the quality of GT5 so that the quality of GT6 can be better and done faster. Good in the long run but GT5 has suffered badly.

 

[TokoTurismo]

have you guys read the in-game credits? my god, 60% of PD's workforce goes to car modeling, one guy is responsible for physics, YES, 1 guy, 2 guys work on AI, 2 guys work on something called "sound simulation", its ridiculous and this has to stop, i dont care if a premium model has loads of ploygons, just give a model that looks good and stop the nonesense, give me an interior that works and look similar to the real life, dont give me 100% replicated BS, and ridiculous modeling of stitches on the wheel, give me better AI, better sound and physics, and save that ridiculous effort and time modeling a premium car

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? WOW, PD is somethin else... Why can't they just hire more people, or at least hire others from other countries. But NOOooo...