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Paulie
I got something like a 500 GB (as advertised, truthfully smaller) HDD. It was easy to install myself so there's no excuse not to really.đź‘Ť
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Yeah, the PS3 will tell you it's 476Gb total and that there's something like 430Gb free (when it's empty).

It's not actually smaller than advertised, the PS3 just counts differently to the HDD manufacturers.
 
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Paulie
I got something like a 500 GB (as advertised, truthfully smaller) HDD. It was easy to install myself so there's no excuse not to really.đź‘Ť
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question about that Paulie,can I put the gamedata on the external HDD ?
 
What's the external HDD? I removed the PS3's original HDD and replaced it with the bigger one.

Stonemonkey
Yeah, the PS3 will tell you it's 476Gb total and that there's something like 430Gb free (when it's empty).
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It's because the HDD you buy isn't actually 500 GB, some little technicality manufacturers get away with on these things where a thousand bytes isn't exactly a kilobyte, and a thousand kilobytes isn't exactly a megabyte, and a thousand megabytes aren't exactly a gigabyte or something. It adds up resulting in less memory space than advertised.

Edit: Regardless, most of the game will be on the disc, although I suppose with hundreds of cars in your garage a game save could get big pretty quick. The game data required to run the game should be small like always.
 
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Stonemonkey:
its as Paulie says, bytes are multiplied/divided by 1024, not 1000 and the "500 GB" HDD is actually a 500.000.000.000 B HDD or maybe 500.000.000 KB HDD.
I never really understood how manufactureres can get away with that, its simply a lie.
 
Paulie
What's the external HDD? I removed the PS3's original HDD and replaced it with the bigger one.



It's because the HDD you buy isn't actually 500 GB, some little technicality manufacturers get away with on these things where a thousand bytes isn't exactly a kilobyte, and a thousand kilobytes isn't exactly a megabyte, and a thousand megabytes aren't exactly a gigabyte or something. It adds up resulting in less memory space than advertised.
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Not exactly, when you say kilogram or kilometer you are meaning 1,000 so the HDD manufacturers are actually correct in dealing with multiples of 10.

Computers however are binary and tell you 1 KB=(2^10) 1024 bytes which is wrong, there is another term or way to write it to distinguish the two but I don't think anyone does so it's actually the value reported by the machine that's wrong.

Then for some reason the PS3 takes 10% of your drive for cache or something, maybe for defrag.

EDIT: see this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
 
Stonemonkey: well sure but i dont see why manufactureres of computer components would use SI measurements when their products are being used in computers with are binary O_o.
Anyway, that extra stuff PS3 takes is for OS, home, cache and so on.
 
Keitaro333
Stonemonkey: well sure but i dont see why manufactureres of computer components would use SI measurements when their products are being used in computers with are binary O_o.
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They're telling you the exact (or guaranteed minimum) number of bytes in their drive, no ambiguity, no lies.
The PS3 causes the confusion by reporting

"Free Space 430GB / 476GB"

when it should actually say

"Free Space 430GiB / 476GiB"

Anyway, that extra stuff PS3 takes is for OS, home, cache and so on.
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I just find it strange that if I have a 40GB HDD it only needs to take 4GB but if I have a 500GB drive it needs to take 50GB.
 
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Paulie
What's the external HDD? I removed the PS3's original HDD and replaced it with the bigger one.
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Oh go figure,thanks Paulie thats great news I though I had to buy a new PS3 :scared:

Edit :Sorry guys but I still don't understand even if I replace my internal HDD does that mean I can put the gamedata utility on the new one ?
 
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sems4arsenal
Oh go figure,thanks Paulie thats great news I though I had to buy a new PS3 :scared:
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If you want to keep your data/gamesaves/music/videos etc. you'll need to backup onto an external device, remove old internal drive, install new internal drive, restore backup.

Easy to do, just takes a bit of time to backup and restore and requires a big enough external device to store your backup data.
 
Stonemonkey
If you want to keep your data/gamesaves/music/videos etc. you'll need to backup onto an external device, remove old internal drive, install new internal drive, restore backup.

Easy to do, just takes a bit of time to backup and restore and requires a big enough external device to store your backup data.
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Ok thanks for your help mate ,that is a huge relief .
 
AgentK
Damn, nothing new the past few days...
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Not to be a downer or anything, but you can probably count on not being much news until sometime in May, and not necessarily then.

Hey, I'm anxious to know something too, but I have plenty to occupy myself with. The next two months will go by fairly quickly for me. Unfortunately, one of those reasons is government overtime for the next four weeks... :grumpy:

Oh, and on hard drive size, remember that formatting takes up space too. Your drive has to be formatted so a computer can use it.
 
Stonemonkey
They're telling you the exact (or guaranteed minimum) number of bytes in their drive, no ambiguity, no lies.

The PS3 causes the confusion by reporting
"Free Space 430GB / 476GB"

when it should actually say
"Free Space 430GiB / 476GiB"

I just find it strange that if I have a 40GB HDD it only needs to take 4GB but if I have a 500GB drive it needs to take 50GB.
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Spot on with the whole "Gibibyte" thing - I've started trying to use those terms, but uptake is still slow elsewhere...

Anyway, you'll notice the disparity between actual capacity and free capacity (measured in the same units) is approximately the same ratio for different sized disks used in the same system.

This is because the filesystem is stored on the drive, too. It's kind of an address book for all the sectors on the disk - the bigger the disk, the bigger the address book needs to be.
This is what needs to be added when you format a disk - quick formatting just writes a new "address book"; full formatting does the same but also rewrites all other bits to zero or one, depending...
 
Griffith500
Spot on with the whole "Gibibyte" thing - I've started trying to use those terms, but uptake is still slow elsewhere...

Anyway, you'll notice the disparity between actual capacity and free capacity (measured in the same units) is approximately the same ratio for different sized disks used in the same system.

This is because the filesystem is stored on the drive, too. It's kind of an address book for all the sectors on the disk - the bigger the disk, the bigger the address book needs to be.
This is what needs to be added when you format a disk - quick formatting just writes a new "address book"; full formatting does the same but also rewrites all other bits to zero or one, depending...
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I know this but the 'address book' is not 10% of the drive capacity. 100 byte address data for every 1k of stored data, that'd be one hell of an inefficient storage system.
 
Stonemonkey
I know this but the 'address book' is not 10% of the drive capacity. 100 byte address data for every 1k of stored data, that'd be one hell of an inefficient storage system.
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Well it's fat32 we are talking about. I don't know if it needs 100b for every 1kb but efficient it certainly isn't.
 
Well that hard drive is 500GB based on our counting system. We count by base10(ten fingers) while the computer and the PS3 count by base2(everything you use on the computer is made of 0's and 1's). There is plenty of good information online like this forum has some good explanations if you really want to learn more about this.
 
Stonemonkey
I know this but the 'address book' is not 10% of the drive capacity. 100 byte address data for every 1k of stored data, that'd be one hell of an inefficient storage system.
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True enough, but it still contributes.

Clearly the OS, XMB etc. take up a finite amount, and then there's the caching required (PS3 is low on system memory, so all that data from the BD has to go somewhere, and a hard drive is much faster than the BD)
I read somewhere that the PS3 uses "about" 10 GB (unsure of units) for its cache... which is a lot, granted - perhaps the cache allocated is a percentage of the total hard drive capacity?
Anyway, it seems like you answered your own question back there :p

I suppose it's a bit like Windows' system restore and virtual memory settings, they take up huuuge amounts of space (system restore is for n00bz anyway ;))
I have 3.2 GB of RAM (well, 4 GiB on a 32-bit sys. :rolleyes:) and Windows "recommends" 4.6 GB of virtual memory - I specified 2 GiB, with a max of 4 GiB and it's not had to increase that figure from 2 GiB in 18 months. I rarely max out the system memory (thanks to unnecessary caching), and I'm a bit of a multi-task "hoor", with an aversion for shutdown / restarts... :lol:



Either way, 10% isn't much to cry about in my opinion :dopey:

@TorqueHappenS08 Que? Serial? Maybe he's seeking a less voracious fanbase...
 
Sorry if mentioned before.More hard-drive space - more "system information" it needs for filesystem.So this "space" is reserved by file-system after formatting.
I mean each file must have guaranteed 255 symbols name, 255 for extension, date of creation, opening, editing, attributes etc...AND physical path (sectors).
(Actually NTFS eats much less space than FAT32 and more safety because those information written just before physical file (sectors) and it's easy to recover.With FAT32 if file information table (at physical start of the disc) has broken - you got pure RAW bytes of data, without knowing where each file starts or ends.)
 
Griffith500
Everytime people write KY, I think of this:

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What do you do in the bath?


Paulie
I got something like a 500 GB (as advertised, truthfully smaller) HDD. It was easy to install myself so there's no excuse not to really.đź‘Ť
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That said, sony cant possibly expect anybody to replace their HDD for GT5 or indeed any game on playstation. I'm pretty sure the install will only be as large as prologue was, but if it has to be bigger then it'll need to fit on a launch playstation's 60GB drive with ease.

Imagine something like a 20GB install though! :lol: I buy the game, then i have to wait a day for it to install before i can play it! :dopey:
 
I wouldn't mind installing the whole game (other than the time it will take) so we would only need the disc to start the game

Loading times would greatly be reduced, the blu-ray drive is quite noisy and it won't last forever
 
opladener
I wouldn't mind installing the whole game (other than the time it will take) so we would only need the disc to start the game

Loading times would greatly be reduced, the blu-ray drive is quite noisy and it won't last forever
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I would guess it will be at least a partial install since most PS3 games have an install on some form.
 
Captain Roh
Imagine something like a 20GB install though! :lol: I buy the game, then i have to wait a day for it to install before i can play it! :dopey:
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That would mean you can't play GT5 on many PS3's. (Remember there are 20GB versions...)

So, that ain't gonna happen.
 

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