GT5 Master Car List (NOT a wishlist - Please read first post)

[trk29]

I love hearing it downshift. It sounds like he's riding a bike.

 

[Famine]

The only people who call Porsches boring are the people who haven't driven them.

I have.

I also think their designs are quite boring to look at and, yes, I'd struggle to tell the difference between any 996 and any 997 zipping past on the public road if I couldn't see the front end. In fact in profile they haven't changed much since 1963 and I doubt that, with just a fleeting glance, anyone who wasn't "into" their 911s could tell a 996 and a 997 apart.

However, they're not alone in this - and they're not even that unique amongst the supercar manufacturers (from some angles the 80s/90s Ferraris are quite hard to distinguish, and the same can be said of the Diablo/Murcielago/Gallardo). The original form followed function and now the form comes first and the function is made to suit.

 

[a.r.a.b_2nv]

Since this is the current confirmed car list and i don't see much Ferrari's does anyone think they're going to include more in the full game or are they going to have them as DLC's. I'd love to be in the driver seat of a 360 or F355 or a 288 GTO. I know it might sound stupid that I'm asking for more but everyone loves Ferrari's lmaooo. BTW does anyone have any actual screenshots of the Maserati Gran Turismo and the LP640?

 

[Dan_]

Please Mr da Silva, take control and get rid of those who dare to call themselves "designers", it really is that bad in my opinion.

Sorry sir, you called? I'm Mr. da Silva too, be careful when talking about my family.

Honestly, I don't know if I'm just nuts, but the 911 still looks great in my opinion, in a world in which all supercars are always trying to look as exotic as possible to gather more crowd, Porsche is faithfull to it's basic shape, some people prefer to call it boring styling, I call it tradition.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the Cayenne and Panamera are traditionally ugly, my comment applies only to the 911.

 

[Antti-san]

I also think their designs are quite boring to look at and, yes, I'd struggle to tell the difference between any 996 and any 997 zipping past on the public road if I couldn't see the front end. In fact in profile they haven't changed much since 1963 and I doubt that, with just a fleeting glance, anyone who wasn't "into" their 911s could tell a 996 and a 997 apart.

I think that the 911 profile that some here berate is a timeless design, and as such I don't see why Porsche should completely abandon it just to look "different" and "modern". I don't think Porsche have kept the basic shape intact because their designers are "unimaginative", but rather because the original design has stood the test of time - both in aesthetics and in function. And as it has been proven time and again in various motorsports, the "boring" 911 hasn't lost any of it's competitive edge along the years.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I find the 911 also completely boring to look at.
That's why I like Porsches like the 928, 914, 550 etc. because they're different.

 

[0zzy]

Any chance we can get a brand new, updated list with all the confirmed cars in? The last list i can see (page 1) is from 4 and a half years ago...

 

[G.T.Ace]

What do you mean?

Last edited by The359; Jun 20 2010 at 10:56 AM.

First post.

 

[FoolKiller]

Any chance we can get a brand new, updated list with all the confirmed cars in? The last list i can see (page 1) is from 4 and a half years ago...

And at the bottom of that post you can also see:

Last edited by The359; Jun 20 2010 at 4:56 AM.

He created the post four years ago but has been updating it ever since.

EDIT: Tree'd

 

[analog]

I actually hope da Silva isn't the one in charge of designing the next round of Porsches. His designs are all similar to one another; he doesn't have a lot of range. While it's great he's got a signature look, it's resulted in an Audi lineup that looks nigh-on identical to one another (the A8 now failing to look expensive, and just looking like a stretched A4). Considering that was the easy criticism levelled at pre-Bangle BMW's (the "different links of sausage" complaint), it's odd Audi seems intent on making their cars indistinguishable. Oh wait... they do take more than a hint of Bangle's flame-surfacing now...

The only people who call Porsches boring are the people who haven't driven them.

I agree that Audi's have become near identical under his watch but initially the design direction he took was a breath of fresh air ( and a bit controversial even, although not remotely like the controversy Bangle caused which designs I actually really liked for the most part ).
But at least the designs he made or chose look cohesive and well proportioned, something that can't be said of the Panamera and Cayenne in my opinion, and he's just adapting the role of supervisor so not actually designing new Porsche's.
Anyway, back on topic...................er.

 

[Famine]

And as it has been proven time and again in various motorsports, the "boring" 911 hasn't lost any of it's competitive edge along the years.

What does looking boring have to do with motorsports pedigree?

 

[Antti-san]

What does looking boring have to do with motorsports pedigree?

I meant that the 911's are still competitive in motorsports despite many people here denouncing them as "boring", so they must be doing something right.

 

[Famine]

Manchester United are still competitive in football. They're still boring.

But I don't get why that's at all relevant to my post saying they look boring. As far as I can see, looking boring has nothing to do with how competitive a car is. It's scarcely a rebuttal...

 

[Antti-san]

Manchester United are still competitive in football. They're still boring.

But I don't get why that's at all relevant to my post saying they look boring. As far as I can see, looking boring has nothing to do with how competitive a car is. It's scarcely a rebuttal...

That part wasn't really directed at you, the reason I quoted you was because you talked about the 911 profile not having changed much since 1963.

 

[analog]

Sorry sir, you called? I'm Mr. da Silva too, be careful when talking about my family.

Then tell your uncle or nephew ( or whatever he is ) to take control of Porsche's design department and stop them from xeroxing and Photo-shopping 911's and tell those "designers" there are more Porsche's in their history worth taking inspiration from.

Or dare I say it, come up with an original thought............
The 928 which probably splits opinion as well regarding looks ( love it or hate it ) proved an original concept can still look like a Porsche.
It doesn't look like anything made previously but still somehow resembles a Porsche and even those unconvinced by the looks have to admit it at least looks more cohesive than a Panamera.

Sorry for again going off topic as the last brand which should be discussed in this thread is probably Porsche as it won't be in GT5.........

 

[Dave A]

Manchester United are still competitive in football. They're still boring.

But I don't get why that's at all relevant to my post saying they look boring. As far as I can see, looking boring has nothing to do with how competitive a car is. It's scarcely a rebuttal...

Now now, lets keep things civilised .

I'm another person who's very uninterested in Porsches in general. They're undeniably good cars, but they do bore me. It's not just that they all look so similar because on the flip side, so do Aston Martins and I love Aston Martins, it's just the Porsche design in general and that you see them everywhere. What we're talking about here is subjective and no amount of success in motorsports or die hard Porsche fans trying to change my opinion will make Porsche any less dull to me. I see them all over the damn place, there's used to be two parked on my street but one of the guys saw sense and sold his and now owns a V8 Vantage .

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I have.

I also think their designs are quite boring to look at and, yes, I'd struggle to tell the difference between any 996 and any 997 zipping past on the public road if I couldn't see the front end. In fact in profile they haven't changed much since 1963 and I doubt that, with just a fleeting glance, anyone who wasn't "into" their 911s could tell a 996 and a 997 apart.

However, they're not alone in this - and they're not even that unique amongst the supercar manufacturers (from some angles the 80s/90s Ferraris are quite hard to distinguish, and the same can be said of the Diablo/Murcielago/Gallardo). The original form followed function and now the form comes first and the function is made to suit.

Fair enough Famine; but you are isolating the design when you say boring, and I can understand that. SS describing the car, overall, as boring, is the part I didn't get. He brought up the Viper, and you bring up some other cars, which prove the point too; a lot of sports cars generally take the small-steps design route. The Ferrari 348 and 355 look very, very similar, Lambos have been the same basic wedge for decades (the surfacing has changed a lot though), and the Corvette, flip-up lights aside, looks very much the same in 1997 as it does in 2010. I bring up the Corvette because it's actually pretty often I hear people in my area bang on about 911's never changing, but are outraged when there's mention of a Vette with anything other than a front-engine, rear drive, V8 spec sheet. Everybody has their sacred cows, I guess.

I agree that Audi's have become near identical under his watch but initially the design direction he took was a breath of fresh air ( and a bit controversial even, although not remotely like the controversy Bangle caused which designs I actually really liked for the most part ).
But at least the designs he made or chose look cohesive and well proportioned, something that can't be said of the Panamera and Cayenne in my opinion, and he's just adapting the role of supervisor so not actually designing new Porsche's.
Anyway, back on topic...................er.

Call me crazy... but the newest Cayenne ain't half bad. It's far from pretty, but in the realm of thrusty mid-size CUV's, it's really not that bad. The back end and profile actually look pretty good!

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As for the topic at hand; The359 keeps on top of the list. He's fairly active around GT boards; but there's no point fiddling when we haven't heard news since E3. I do feel a list showing Premium and Standard would be helpful, but it's up to him.

 

[0zzy]

And at the bottom of that post you can also see:


He created the post four years ago but has been updating it ever since.

EDIT: Tree'd

Theres only about 450-500 cars in that list?

I see, so GT havent released all the cars yet.

 

[analog]

The Ferrari 348 and 355 look very, very similar

That's because the 355 is basically an updated facelifted and largely improved 348, not a good example.

Call me crazy... but the newest Cayenne ain't half bad. It's far from pretty, but in the realm of thrusty mid-size CUV's, it's really not that bad. The back end and profile actually look pretty good!

It definitely is an improvement over the old one, but that doesn't take much to be honest.
Still looks more like a Hyundai with Porsche headlights and badges to me judging from the pictures I saw.
But I haven't seen it in the flesh yet, so I may reserve further judgement until then ( although I was hoping the first Cayenne also didn't look that bad on the road, how wrong I was ).

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I wonder if Porsche has known something all along we forget in the new or so its called, driven world.

Form and model identity is an important factor in the car business, especially the niche Porsche fills.

Ford went back to the future with the retro Mustang, now one of their hottest sellers.

Dodge followed suit with the Challenger, and Chevy the Impala and Camaro.

Others may follow the trend, and there are several I'd like to see do it, but Porsche won't have to, at least with the 9 series.

Maybe they figure, "why try and reinvent the Porsche".

 

[Antti-san]

What we're talking about here is subjective and no amount of success in motorsports or die hard Porsche fans trying to change my opinion will make Porsche any less dull to me.

Indeed, and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind - just arguing my point of view. Besides, I wouldn't call myself a die hard Porsche fan - I just have a weak spot for many of their cars.

 

[FoolKiller]

Theres only about 450-500 cars in that list?

I see, so GT havent released all the cars yet.

We likely won't have a full car list until the game launches, as is normal with GT games.

 

[gtsmashbros]

If Porsche brought a drastic change along, it would take years to get used to the "Porsche look" the way we are now.

IMO, leave it the way it is.

 

[GPR]

I wonder if Porsche has known something all along we forget in the new or so its called, driven world.

Form and model identity is an important factor in the car business, especially the niche Porsche fills.

Ford went back to the future with the retro Mustang, now one of their hottest sellers.

Dodge followed suit with the Challenger, and Chevy the Impala and Camaro.

Others may follow the trend, and there are several I'd like to see do it, but Porsche won't have to, at least with the 9 series.

Maybe they figure, "why try and reinvent the Porsche".

Couldn't agree more. The shape of a 911 albeit not very different from iteration to iteration remains that way because it is it's identity.

I know there are many that are not fans of it's styling/shape and thats fair enough. But for those that are, a drastic change in shape would mean it would be a very different car and not a classic porsche.

Yes alot of what they have produced around the 911, the cayman,boxster,cayenne, panemera inherit blatant elements of style from the 911 which in my opinion isn't that great an idea. They should I feel stand a little more on their own and to me have watered down the Porche brand to an extent, the core and soul and icon that is Porsche is a 911 in my opinion. The shape gave rise to the brand and its identity as SCJ states.

I happen to like Porsches myself, well the 911 for the most part but I too would be dissapointed if some cars who have an iconic shape that defines them suddenly were changed dramatically to a point where yes it may look like they reside inside the same brand as before but no longer look like itself.

eg. Lamborghini's, Mustang, Aston Martin DB9 and many more.

So yes Porsche's on the whole change very little version by version but to me thats a good thing.

Back when they launched the 996 with it's restyled headlights shape I was quite dissapointed, even though it was just the headlights that were dramatically changed I didn't like them and to me it took away a classic element of style the 911 always had the round lights, that change though seemily small had a huge impact I felt.

So glad they went back from that.

 

[analog]

Back when they launched the 996 with it's restyled headlights shape I was quite dissapointed, even though it was just the headlights that were dramatically changed I didn't like them and to me it took away a classic element of style the 911 always had the round lights, that change though seemily small had a huge impact I felt.

Only the headlights? The 996 was the first 911 which didn't share a single component with the original 911.
The 996 was completely new and replaced the 993 which was the final evolution of the original air-cooled 911 introduced in 1963.
Even the Boxer-6 was completely new since it's water-cooled after the 996 was introduced.
Every 911 since is basically an evolution of the 996 and apart from a resembling shape and basic concept has nothing in common with the original one from 1963.

 

[Goshin2568]

However, they're not alone in this - and they're not even that unique amongst the supercar manufacturers (from some angles the 80s/90s Ferraris are quite hard to distinguish, and the same can be said of the Diablo/Murcielago/Gallardo) . The original form followed function and now the form comes first and the function is made to suit.

You think those look the same?

The Diablo is a box, with pop-open headlights, and is old.
The Muricielago is very rounded, long, and sleek.
The Gallardo is short and stubby, and kinda boxy.

Not to mention Murcielago have rear slats revealing the engine, and the Diablo usually has a spoiler.

 

[eSZee]

You think those look the same?

The Diablo is a box, with pop-open headlights, and is old.
The Muricielago is very rounded, long, and sleek.
The Gallardo is short and stubby, and kinda boxy.

Not to mention Murcielago have rear slats revealing the engine, and the Diablo usually has a spoiler.

I don't think you understand what he was saying. I think what he meant is that if you see a Gallardo, you know it's a Lambo, same with countach or murcielago. They have a lamborghini look to them and can't be mistaken for any other make, to a degree. They share features that make them lambo.

This thread is really getting off topic.

 

[Goshin2568]

Oh, my bad. Haha sorry.

 

[Famine]

You think those look the same?

(from some angles the 80s/90s Ferraris are quite hard to distinguish, and the same can be said of the Diablo/Murcielago/Gallardo)

Quite how you can pull out "I think they look the same" from that I don't know.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

I don't see how people (earlier) can say the Porsche 911, in any model year, is boring. I also caught this in a recent Motor Trend comparison test of the Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro, Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, and the Porsche 911 Turbo. First thing they said about the Porsche- "the Porsche is undistinctive, it hardly ever got a second look from the valet." Well the R8 was painted white, and the SLS was silver, but the 911 was jet black. Not a very noticeable color. The thing that Porsche has done with the 911 is keep the same form and balance that the original had. The only example of an awful 911 was the 2004 model year 911 GT2, which was covered in slats, the headlights weren't the same, rear vents were just stupid. But there's one thing it did have that all 911's have-performance. And the Lambos? The Countach was long with many 80's style vents (read:wedges). The Diablowas alot shorter and rounded, the Murcieago is very curvy and the Gallardo, well that thing is almost as robotic as a transformer. But one thing they all have-performance. I bet your Fiesta can't do 0-60 in 3.5.