GT5 Prolugue aims to give European champion a stint in the actual Dubai 24 Race!

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Motominded
Yeah, but what im saying is you cant just learn in 4 months. Racing requires a talent that isn't required in a video game.

What i mean is that you have to show them is that in those 4 months, you have the ability/talent/skill to get on the pace.

4 months is a long time, but when your learning how to drive a real race car - mot everyone can do it.

For instance, im in a flight school and practice on FSX at home. But when you get in the plane, you have to be able to zone out everything and do the task at hand. Not everyone can do that, or even learn it. That "fear" factor wont disappear for some people.
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I'm fully aware that some people simply will not have what it takes, but I don't think this is a majority.

It's going to suck for those who fail though ;-)
 
Well,the'fear factor' is not an issue in here.So pick me,im fast,and as Timppa(and others)know,you need a Finn to pul out this thing! :bowdown:
 
RUFin
Well,the'fear factor' is not an issue in here.So pick me,im fast,and as Timppa(and others)know,you need a Finn to pul out this thing! :bowdown:
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Right - Raikonnen :-P
 
Hotlapping at a fictional track is a testemant to how good of a real racecar driver you could be?

:scared: :crazy:

I wonder if I should call it now... "Gran Turismo driver crashes car out of 24 hrs of Dubai"
 
Earth
Hotlapping at a fictional track is a testemant to how good of a real racecar driver you could be?

:scared: :crazy:

I wonder if I should call it now... "Gran Turismo driver crashes car out of 24 hrs of Dubai"
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For the purposes of simulation just exactly what is the difference between a fictional track and a real one, given that both of them are just a bunch of splines in computer memory?
 
Exactly what I was thinking.
I really hope the person who wins actually is the best in the field of Virtual racing and can rank easily in the top 20 for Suzuka TimeTrails.
Otherwise if some shmoe goes and crashes out on GT Academy it's going to make virtual racing look like a big joke. :grumpy:

craste
I reckon this event MUST have the following restrictions so that when the person wins he/she won't have to say to the staff at Gt "Sorry but I can only drive from behind and outside the car using a controller" :dunce: - can you imagine him/her running behind the car on the track with a six axis - they would look a right idiot - mind you it would be very amusing :)

1) The view should be restricted to Cockpit
2) The gears should be manual only
3) The driving has to be done with a wheel and not a controller.
4). Simulation/profesional most life like physics ONLY

What do you reckon??
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Earth
Hotlapping at a fictional track is a testemant to how good of a real racecar driver you could be?

:scared: :crazy:

I wonder if I should call it now... "Gran Turismo driver crashes car out of 24 hrs of Dubai"
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i was racing at the 24h Dubai race as well. who was the driver?

Chris
 
Polyphony or SONY - if you read this - please make GT Academy available for all European countries, not only for those "chosen".

EOT
 
Lol, doesn't really matter since you can't signup on any of the pages of those list of the available countries.
Someone has to teach them how to organise i think :)

edit: ignore the above statement. It's me that has to be taught how to read properly.
This will start on the 2nd of June, so they still have time to enable the signup system
 
villainpl
Polyphony or SONY - if you read this - please make GT Academy available for all European countries, not only for those "chosen".

EOT
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Try change your residence in Playstation Network files. Then choose some country near you. I dont see there reads anywhere that you need to be citizen of that country.
 
P3nT4gR4m
For the purposes of simulation just exactly what is the difference between a fictional track and a real one, given that both of them are just a bunch of splines in computer memory?
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Having the competition on a fictional track just adds insult to injury in my opinion.

The Eiger track resembles no non-rally track I know of and from the top times I've seen the fastest way arond involves drifting the car a good bit which you never do in real GT cars.

This whole idea is terrible in my opinion.

Entering drivers should be screened as to whether they have had any type of competitive motorsport experience in their life.

You can't just pluck a fast sim racer out of his seat who is good at GT5P and give him 4 months (they will hardly use all of 4 months) of practice and expect him to be able to handle himself in a race vs professionals.

He's either going to be really slow or he will crash himself or someone else in his stint.

And why are they limiting the competition to not just Europe, but select European countries? Who is behind this madness?
 
Earth
And why are they limiting the competition to not just Europe, but select European countries? Who is behind this madness?
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Likely, some legal issue, perhaps to do with competitions or to do with the employ of race drivers. Or maybe even race licence regulations of some kind. Something along those lines I reckon.
 
Lets say you have some mediocre sim racer eg like me but with some real life Racing experience

Versus

A hardcore simracer that its number 1 in ranking for time trials.

I would rather give 4 months to desensitize the hot lapping monster to real life speed and see what kind of potential is in this person then to give up the spot to some average sim racer that has some racing experience.

Earth
Having the competition on a fictional track just adds insult to injury in my opinion.

The Eiger track resembles no non-rally track I know of and from the top times I've seen the fastest way arond involves drifting the car a good bit which you never do in real GT cars.

This whole idea is terrible in my opinion.

Entering drivers should be screened as to whether they have had any type of competitive motorsport experience in their life.

You can't just pluck a fast sim racer out of his seat who is good at GT5P and give him 4 months (they will hardly use all of 4 months) of practice and expect him to be able to handle himself in a race vs professionals.

He's either going to be really slow or he will crash himself or someone else in his stint.

And why are they limiting the competition to not just Europe, but select European countries? Who is behind this madness?
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I don't get it. What if the person who wins is under 18?
 
newbielives
I would rather give 4 months to desensitize the hot lapping monster to real life speed and see what kind of potential is in this person then to give up the spot to some average sim racer that has some racing experience.
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I agree. Those people on the top of the leader board like that Japanese kid Techimu (sp?) who seems to lead in every car are just better at using a wheel and pedals to control a moving vehicle. They have better reflexes and concentration. You can't teach that.

Going from virtual to real is just a matter of adjusting your inputs. It's like having Michael Jordan play with a basketball of different size and weight in some odly shaped court. At first he wouldn't do as well as those who are very familiar with this weid basketball game but quicky he would adjust and surpass them.
 
MowTin
I agree. Those people on the top of the leader board like that Japanese kid Techimu (sp?) who seems to lead in every car are just better at using a wheel and pedals to control a moving vehicle. They have better reflexes and concentration. You can't teach that.

Going from virtual to real is just a matter of adjusting your inputs. It's like having Michael Jordan play with a basketball of different size and weight in some odly shaped court. At first he wouldn't do as well as those who are very familiar with this weid basketball game but quicky he would adjust and surpass them.
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I totally agree.

Except it's always people that takes more time to polish their time in timetrial mode than others. And i think the drivers wich uses extreeme amounts of time doing this will eventually get in the top places.

And therefore I think there will be different for those guys when the competition goes live, like driving against each other at the same time. I think that's fair. Especially since the top 20 time-trialers have another chance.
 
Hmmm... seems to be some disagreement over the differences between virtual and real. I knew this would happen one day... ;)

Ok, a spanner in the works: Once upon a time (in my 20s) I raced Caterham 7s and finished top 3 at Darley Moor and Oulton Park. I've also raced VFR400s (bikes) at Cadwell Park and won on a couple of occasions... On GT5P time trials I am 4 seconds off the pace of the leaders, sometimes more. My best online ranking is/was about 50th in the F2007 on the Eiger circuit (possibly lower by now). So how does that work?

I'll tell you... there is absolutely no comparison between a sim and a real car unless you have a sim that applies g-force and vibration to your body.. and even then its a sketchy comparison. The reason I am fast in a real car on a real track and much slower by comparison on GT is the fact I have very little idea what the car suspension and tyres are doing when I'm sitting on my sofa at home. The excellent force feedback wheels from Logitech notwithstanding, a race driver drives with his/her whole body, not just with hands and feet. I wouldn't fancy the chances of some skinny pale Otaku getting the mojo in a real endurance racer that pulls 2g in the corners and 3 or 4 under braking no matter how good they are at Gran Turismo.
 
VagabondAngel
Hmmm... seems to be some disagreement over the differences between virtual and real. I knew this would happen one day... ;)

Ok, a spanner in the works: Once upon a time (in my 20s) I raced Caterham 7s and finished top 3 at Darley Moor and Oulton Park. I've also raced VFR400s (bikes) at Cadwell Park and won on a couple of occasions... On GT5P time trials I am 4 seconds off the pace of the leaders, sometimes more. My best online ranking is/was about 50th in the F2007 on the Eiger circuit (possibly lower by now). So how does that work?

I'll tell you... there is absolutely no comparison between a sim and a real car unless you have a sim that applies g-force and vibration to your body.. and even then its a sketchy comparison. The reason I am fast in a real car on a real track and much slower by comparison on GT is the fact I have very little idea what the car suspension and tyres are doing when I'm sitting on my sofa at home. The excellent force feedback wheels from Logitech notwithstanding, a race driver drives with his/her whole body, not just with hands and feet. I wouldn't fancy the chances of some skinny pale Otaku getting the mojo in a real endurance racer that pulls 2g in the corners and 3 or 4 under braking no matter how good they are at Gran Turismo.
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The 'skinny pale otaku' point is very valid. Real driving is pretty physical and it'll be interesting to see how they account for that but I think you are failing to take sheer volume of drivers into the equation when you compare your GT performance with your real life experiences. When you raced the Caterams you were competing against significantly less drivers than you are in GT timetrials. 3rd place in a race of even 100 cars is 3%

3% of a couple of million means there are 60,000 drivers in front of you. Food for thought.
 
Good point and one I had considered since I know I'm far from world class, even in a Caterham but.. (isn't there always? ;) ) I do think that if we took all the same racers and put them in real cars on the same track, I'd be considerably closer to the top times than 4 seconds and many of those currently at the top would be nowhere.
 
VagabondAngel
I'll tell you... there is absolutely no comparison between a sim and a real car unless you have a sim that applies g-force and vibration to your body.. and even then its a sketchy comparison..... I wouldn't fancy the chances of some skinny pale Otaku getting the mojo in a real endurance racer that pulls 2g in the corners and 3 or 4 under braking no matter how good they are at Gran Turismo.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
VagabondAngel
Good point and one I had considered since I know I'm far from world class, even in a Caterham but.. (isn't there always? ;) ) I do think that if we took all the same racers and put them in real cars on the same track, I'd be considerably closer to the top times than 4 seconds and many of those currently at the top would be nowhere.
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Agreed. Now we have to factor in just how much the prospective candidate can learn in 4months. That's potentially a fair bit of track time, given that they have the theory pretty well sussed out by the time they get there. You aint going to place in this competition if you don't have a pretty solid understanding of racing line, weight transfer, braking points ..etc

I think it could be quite an interesting experiment.

Of course it could just as easily end in epic fail :sly:
 
VagabondAngel
I'll tell you... there is absolutely no comparison between a sim and a real car unless you have a sim that applies g-force and vibration to your body.. and even then its a sketchy comparison. The reason I am fast in a real car on a real track and much slower by comparison on GT is the fact I have very little idea what the car suspension and tyres are doing when I'm sitting on my sofa at home. The excellent force feedback wheels from Logitech notwithstanding, a race driver drives with his/her whole body, not just with hands and feet. I wouldn't fancy the chances of some skinny pale Otaku getting the mojo in a real endurance racer that pulls 2g in the corners and 3 or 4 under braking no matter how good they are at Gran Turismo.
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absolutely true, before i had my race at Laguna Seca with Champ Car i was practising the track on GT4 and when i came there and had my first practise i was shocked how big and huge the differents between real life laguna seca and GT4 laguna seca was.

But no matter what, the few 100 laps i did on GT4 at Laguna Seca did give me a bit of advantage.

Regards

Chris
 
Completely agree.

If this hotlapping genius who has mastered the racing line and probably comes within 1 second of his TimeTrial racords on a regular basis, can get use to the speed and danger of real life racing(which he has 4months to do), then the potential is enormous, not just as a good racer but as a superstar racer.

P3nT4gR4m
Agreed. Now we have to factor in just how much the prospective candidate can learn in 4months. That's potentially a fair bit of track time, given that they have the theory pretty well sussed out by the time they get there. You aint going to place in this competition if you don't have a pretty solid understanding of racing line, weight transfer, braking points ..etc

I think it could be quite an interesting experiment.

Of course it could just as easily end in epic fail :sly:
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One thing to remember guys, there is alot of "petrol heads" wich soon is turning 30y, and have good experience in driving. And driving fast on country roads. I do know quite a few actually. And numerous of them loves Gran Turismo. (they where aquiring the driving license when the first GT arrived).

I've got my excuse (wich some of you know) due to extreemly high taxes, cars in norway is very expensive. In norway a new BMW M3 costs 1,35mill kr (135.000£, or 270.000$, or 170.000€) The Skyline R32-R34 is not possible to import, register and insure on Norwegian numberplates. Maybe the R35 is possible in the future.
 
I've been waiting for an excuse to get a G25 for the last few weeks. This sounds like a good enough one for me!

*Heads to froogle*
 
Christhedude
absolutely true, before i had my race at Laguna Seca with Champ Car i was practising the track on GT4 and when i came there and had my first practise i was shocked how big and huge the differents between real life laguna seca and GT4 laguna seca was.
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Thank you very much. This is what I have been saying all a long about the GT series not being realistic. Even Jeremy on TopGear had a similar experience.
 
Totte
One thing to remember guys, there is alot of "petrol heads" wich soon is turning 30y, and have good experience in driving. And driving fast on country roads. I do know quite a few actually. And numerous of them loves Gran Turismo. (they where aquiring the driving license when the first GT arrived).
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I really hope at the very least someone like that wins the competition.

It's going to be very sad if some 100lb guy who never goes outside and can barely see over the wheel wins, or maybe even worst, someone who does not even have a driver's license.
 
kikie
Thank you very much. This is what I have been saying all a long about the GT series not being realistic. Even Jeremy on TopGear had a similar experience.
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Wich series and episode was that?
 
Totte
Wich series and episode was that?
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I remember watching that - i think it was either jeremey or Richard the Hamster at the race track laguna and they had a honda NSX and they compared it to GT4.

Mind you the one thing missing from the game is fear facter - you can bounce off walls and write cars off in games and then just hit the restart button but in real life doing the same thing is going to hurt so if the track and cars were exactly the same the driver in the game will be able to go around quicker as they can push the car harder and take more risks (be braver) as they can just press the restart button if they mess up instead of waiting for the marshalls to drag you from the mangled wreck what used to be a car or worse still - being airlifted to the local A&E.
 
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