GT5 Used Car Database [in progress]

[Fastas]

....Not to take steam out of anyone's engine, but the list seems to be quite long and documenting it all will be tedious task. The list could easily be 10000 days long, they have just limited starting point to small range of days, which is quite easy to program with mod-function.

...All I am saying that we might not see the list(s) cycle any time soon and documenting it all will be a major pain in the ***. If I continue a-spec auto grind to level 40, I will have around 4500 game days. There isn't many races left after that to do, I will probably never exceed 6000 game day, even if I were to do much online racing.

If I were a programmer and wanted to make it hard to reach the end of the list, I would make the list so long that it is practically impossible to reach the end, maybe at least 50000 days long.

I highly doubt that many people will ever exceed even 20000 game days, for example it will take 111 days of 24h a-spec auto grind to reach 20000 game days. And that is just 111 days to reach 20000 days, just to verify once and while for possible matches would require more time.

To document every bit of 20000 days would be just plain nuts, when I was documenting my section, it took around 15 minutes to cycle 5 days and document it, so 3 minutes / day. 20000 * 3 = 60000 minutes = 1000 hours ~ 40 days working 24h/day, let's say one was able to do that for 8 hours per day ~ 120 days.

Only way that I ever see the whole UCD documented is working parallel, one user takes care of days 0-100, second days 100-199 and so on. There are not so many people contributing, total of 19 different people have contributed, of those only 9 have documented over 100 days, with top three guys have done 420-480 each. Personally my motivation to document anything dropped to near zero once I found all the cars I was looking for, I suspect that to be the case for most people.

....I have no insider info on the game nor am I any way connected to PD, just a regular guy with too much time on his hand to hang around gtplanet....

...Final note: game day 3177, no match found, don't hold your breath while looking for the list to loop

....I have collected over 1600 days personally, some way over what you just posted; considering you quoted my post from yesterday declaring this I wonder what your point is. I don't even need the amount of time you state to record the info. Please can you clarify if you know something that I don't in regard to the game, such as if you are an insider from PD?

Oh well, I tried to stop, but like a good fight now and then Usually it is good sign that you are winning when the other side has to get personal ...What makes you say that my opinion is uneducated? Your truth is the only truth and every thing else is spam?

My post were related to UCD db and possible problems documenting it, so I don't see how that is uneducated or spam, but maybe you are with higher education and can educate me more?

you made three separate posts stating your pessimistic views on the UCD and then when asked you say you have no evidence or insider knowledge informing your stated opinions. If you think your opinions about the UCD are based upon fact please educate me.

By persistently repeating yourself in different posts you are technically spamming this thread.

 

[Khaddar]

you just don't need to keep spamming the thread with your uneducated opinion.

Every single opinion in this thread is equally uneducated - or more accurately, uninformed. The only thing we know is which cars we have collectively seen in the UCD, and for the most part the sequence in which they have been seen.

 

[911_RS]

This thread contains one of the most useful DB's on the forum... that it remains unpinned is ludicrous....

 

[nuuska7]

By persistently repeating yourself in different posts you are technically spamming this thread.

It might come as surprise to you, but knowing that something doesn't exist might be as useful as knowing that something exists.

which one would you prefer:

1. "See, I know now that my parents are cousins"
2. "See, I know now that my parents are NOT cousins"


I've provided information that at certain game day there no loop is detected. Since I make progress in game days, I provide new information every time I post. I've also speculated on how long the list might be and made calculations how long it would take for given length of the list, so I would call them educated guesses, rather than uneducated opinions.

Since you have decided that you will document all the contents of UCD, no matter how long it takes, my information has little value to you. Maybe you could take advantage of my information when plotting your calendar for UCD documentation, "See, I've now spent two months and have reached day 1600 and the UCD doesn't loop even until game day 3177, looks like I have another two months ahead of me".

Somebody else might look at my information and say "Holy cow, it does go on for ever, I am not going to spend another two months of doing this ****, better go back to trying to gold that Vettel challenge"

Or

"Okay, it seems that it doesn't loop at day 3177, I'll complete A-spec to level 40 and reach day 4000 to see what is there"


You seem to be generally pissed at anyone in this thread who dares to share opinion different than yours. I think that is mostly because TornadoAlley presented data in format that is user friendly and most of the people are using his excel and not yours, dropping you down from the king-of-the-hill position. You chose to present your information in a format that is very hard use, maybe except for you.

Only thing worse than no data, is bad data. With your format, "i.e no information of the order with in a day" + day offsets, your data becomes bad data for most of the people. It is hard find a pattern in sections which are out of order because of your format. Since you are so keen on documenting UCD and sharing information with people, how about clean up the mess you created with your format?? And while doing that, don't spam your bad data into this thread. Just kidding, never going to happen

I still think that the best way to get UCD documented is to do it in parallel. It is no use, if ten people will document same date range, maybe two or three is good, so data can be verified. I've actually seen that happen with the other part of the list.

You, Fastas, could have helped also by sharing your data until game day 1600 in TornadoAlley format, but seemed to be too pissed and decided to keep it to your self, like a five-year old "They are not playing by my rules, I'll take the ball away".

 

[Fastas]

...yada yada yada yada....

You, Fastas, could have helped also by sharing your data until game day 1600 in TornadoAlley format, but seemed to be too pissed and decided to keep it to your self, like a five-year old "They are not playing by my rules, I'll take the ball away".

I stated from the beginning my reasons for doing this and have always been upfront about that. I have also regularly contributed my information and was the first to suggest that the data be pooled.

At the point at which Tornado Alley set about creating his master list I was past a point in which I was willing to change my methods but then again, I'm only doing it for myself as I said before.

You really have nothing else to contribute other than negativity and wide-of-the-mark armchair-psychology. I still don't understand why you think it's in any way helpful to tell us we are wasting our time doing this when it has no effect on you what so ever.

Just because you gave up recording your data doesn't mean I or anyone else needs to. You made your point that your opinion was that it was pointless, fine you can do that. As I said before, your repeated posted comments that it's a waste are what I object to and just come across as pathetic, childish and unnecessary.

.......It would be good to compile our data collectively eventually as we all seam to have picked on different statistics; I went for car dimensions rather than colours or mileage!

Dan.

Page three, seven days after thread was created, over 500 days recorded.

 

[911_RS]

This has been a 'work in progress' since day 1. Collectively it became quite organized and ultimately more useful....evolution happens and every contributor has furthered the process....

Now let's sing Kumbaya......

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Could someone please tell me where on earth can I find the Peugeot Rally car 99. I've spent nearly 4 days skipping the licence tests to update the UCD and yet still no luck. My days of playing is something around 1,677.

Really appreciate if someone could help as I messed the build of my Peugeot Rally car and because of this I haven't been able to improve my time on the Rome time trial. This is why im looking for another one.

 

[911_RS]

Could someone please tell me where on earth can I find the Peugeot Rally car 99. I've spent nearly 4 days skipping the licence tests to update the UCD and yet still no luck. My days of playing is something around 1,677.

Really appreciate if someone could help as I messed the build of my Peugeot Rally car and because of this I haven't been able to improve my time on the Rome time trial. This is why im looking for another one.

In order to utilize the db found in Tornado's sig you must first establish your day 1 position. Start a new account and copy your UCD from bottom right to top left. This gives you a pattern which you can overlay in the spreadsheet, see where you match up in the rotation, and see which cars are coming up next....

At day 1677 you may find, as I have, that you may be past the current available data, in which case you might consider contributing some of your rotations for future users....

 

[KTZ]

Hi all. So , this database is a great idea , i really like it. Just keep it up and update it , but i have a question. I need a Toyota Supra RZ 97'. I've watched on my save game data folder and i'm at the day 469 !!!! Anybody can help me here please ?

 

[911_RS]

See the post above yours, you must establish what day on the spreadsheet matches your day 1..from there it's easy...

 

[TornadoAlley]

I think I have gotten all of the recent posts incorporated

IMPORTANT. Because it is easier for me I have converted the compiled list into two sheets (see the bottom of the google docs page). Now the cars not seen list reflects all the standard cars not seen in that section of the list. If we ever see point where the two lists join I will change the spreadsheet accordingly. Not knowing any better I named the second sheet Fastas as he was the major and original contributor to that half of the list.

If you are looking for your place in the list be sure that you check both sheets.

 

[GTsail]

You guys are doing yeomen's work!👍

Please continue for as long as you can, and as long as it does not interfere with any other game enjoyment (like driving the Schwimmwagen).

Famine's similar list in GT4 was extremely useful, so I expect a similar list for GT5 would have many uses, even if significantly longer.

Every week, I come back to this thread and read about the progress that's being made. I even enjoy reading the negative comments since really, that's what GTPlanet is all about -- a place to voice one's thoughts about some topic, and a place to obtain additional information about some topic even if the topic is not always interesting to everyone.

I do worry that the loop might be 100,000 days long, or even some sort of semi-random list. But even if this is the case, it will be interesting to find this out since it will say something about PD's thoughts (or lack thereof).

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[mmenzie]

i don't see the escudo on the list.... anyone know why that shows up for some people and others (like myself) keep looking and never see it.

 

[TornadoAlley]

I just realized that splitting the list might mess up those who knew what master day they were on in the previous versions.

If your list coincided with the bottom half of the old version then subtract 1726 from where you used to be in the master list.
For example before my update you matched at master day 2430. Now if you go to the second sheet you will find your spot at day 704 (2340-1726).

Sorry for the confusion but I think this will work better in the long run as I won't keep shifting days around as more data is added.

 

[911_RS]

Good work,brutha....👍

 

[nuuska7]

3299 Subaru - IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype '01 Nuuska7 3223
3299 Toyota - ARISTO V300 '00 Nuuska7 3223
3300 Mazda - Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93 Nuuska7 3223
3300 Eagle - Talon Esi '97 Nuuska7 3223
3300 Opel - Tigra 1.6i '99 Nuuska7 3223
3300 Mini - MINI ONE '02 Nuuska7 3223

Spoiler

No loop found

 

[pritpal04]

Great work, found it very helpful.
But I did find it quite hard to use at first.

 

[TornadoAlley]

Great work, found it very helpful.
But I did find it quite hard to use at first.

What did you find hard about it? I'm always interested in making at as easy to use as possible.

Nuuska7
I'll incorporate your days whenever you want to post them. While I am not interesting in involving myself in the discussion the last few pages I am personally interested at this point in knowing if the list ever cycles (and if there are two separate lists). This doesn't require continuous data but just data every few hundred days which is pretty easy to obtain (if I have a reference point to insert it into the list).

At this point there is enough data in the two lists that most users can find the cars they want by starting a new game and trading. There are those cars that are only found in one list or the other (not sure what to make of that). If I ever get to the point where I can auto-grind a-spec I plan on just checking the UCD every day or so to get a snapshot.

 

[VelociRaptor]

Great job of every contributor.

Hello, i would like to share some hypothesis on the list.

First, 2 big hypothesis (already stated in the thread, but sometimes questionned):

1) The list is unique and not random (starting point is random but not the list in itself).
This allows PD to be sure that we get any car in a reasonnable day frame.
(even 2 lists seems an unneeded complexity for this software)

2) it should exist some kind of finite logic for it. I can't imagine a guy at PD paid just for defining an infinite list by hand.

So, if those two previous 'Postulat' are true, there is no need to make the complete list available (hopefully) in order to find it's internal logic.

Another point, that has been questionned in the thread.
The list of the cars seems well established, i'm using the one here
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-official-car-list/
and i have bought 800 cars which were all in the list and never found a missing one (sometimes the name has a slight difference to shorten it, but the cars are the good ones) and no mispelling of the same car anywhere.

I could sugest that there are 6 'mini' lists that split the overall car list (as they are 6 slots each day, there is one list per slot).
Those 6 lists are made of an incomplete extract of the global Car list.
Those 6 lists can incorporate cars from other lists (intersections exist).

We could just look for a 'slot list' looping back (and not the whole list) and each slot list should have a different size (to be analysed more deeply may be).

If the size of the 6 lists are very different (with 'primary numbers' in size), this could give a very long time to loopback exactly on the same combination of 6 cars (but shorter for each slot list).

If the "local user" starting point is even random in each list (or by group of 2 (row)), this should allow for pseudo-different list between users without braking the global logic of the Used Cars list.

I can't think PD would oblige us to loop 10000 days for any car we would look for. It should be simpler than this.
It can't be really random because PD has to be sure that we will get the car in a reasonnable time (i have let go the Audi R8 Team Oreca due to short cash this evening, i expect it again before 2 monthes !!!!).

May be it could help.
But the exact position of the cars in the slots is needed accurately in TornadoAlley file to perform such an analysis.

Anyway, great job.

 

[TornadoAlley]

Great job of every contributor.

Hello, i would like to share some hypothesis on the list.

First, 2 big hypothesis (already stated in the thread, but sometimes questionned):

.......

Anyway, great job.

Interesting theory and one that I had not considered.

I have been trying to think of ways to analyze what data we have to look for any patterns but there are so many possibilities that at this point I'm going to continue compiling any data that people contribute and looking at it later.

 

[nuuska7]

When checking for looping, I usually choose fairly rare car from UCD, which I then compare against the db. Very often, but not always, this rare car is paired with same car, either car before or after remains the same, while everything else around the pair is random. Order within the pair seems to also change. So there might be some kind of logic behind that.

 

[VelociRaptor]

Just an example of what could be a "Very Long" Loop based on my theory:

- 6 lists of primary numbers (not so long in itself)
109 cars, 251 cars, 317 cars, 443 cars, 569 cars, 641 cars

Loop back is at 1,401,307,685,066,440 days

Very long for a single life !

 

[nuuska7]

Loop back is at 1,401,307,685,066,440 days

Careful, that is mighty big number and somebody might get upset

 

[Khaddar]

Careful, that is mighty big number and somebody might get upset

At this point it seems like you're just trolling. If you want to provoke arguments with other GTP users it would probably be better to use PMs.

 

[TornadoAlley]

Just an example of what could be a "Very Long" Loop based on my theory:

- 6 lists of primary numbers (not so long in itself)
109 cars, 251 cars, 317 cars, 443 cars, 569 cars, 641 cars

Loop back is at 1,401,307,685,066,440 days

Very long for a single life !

If this was the arrangement then it wouldn't be too difficult to find unless PD randomizes the order that each list appears in each hextet. I could pretty easily pull out every sixth car to see if a pattern emerges.

 

[SkidRecovery]

datapoint:

i've been checking my ucd against the database occasionally. most recently just now...and i always have the same experience: a few cars will match exactly in the database, but nothing else...i.e. the days around are totally different.

right now i have a match in my ucd to the days 146 through 148 in the 2/2 database.. 14 cars in a row match exactly but the next car in my ucd is a toyota 7 race car, not what's in the database (which is followed by a eunos roadster vr-limited (NA) '95, so nothing in the 2/2 database has that pair).

this has happened several times, where i think i see where i am because i can match a bunch of cars in a row, but then totally wrong.

dunno if my list is in outer space or if this implies some semi-randomness going on

 

[TornadoAlley]

datapoint:

i've been checking my ucd against the database occasionally. most recently just now...and i always have the same experience: a few cars will match exactly in the database, but nothing else...i.e. the days around are totally different.

right now i have a match in my ucd to the days 146 through 148 in the 2/2 database.. 14 cars in a row match exactly but the next car in my ucd is a toyota 7 race car, not what's in the database (which is followed by a eunos roadster vr-limited (NA) '95, so nothing in the 2/2 database has that pair).

this has happened several times, where i think i see where i am because i can match a bunch of cars in a row, but then totally wrong.

dunno if my list is in outer space or if this implies some semi-randomness going on

I see two places in the second list that have the toyota 7 and eunos vr-limited in the same day (570 and 783 both contributions from Fastas). If you could post a couple more cars from that day I might be able to find where you are.

 

[SkidRecovery]

I see two places in the second list that have the toyota 7 and eunos vr-limited in the same day (570 and 783 both contributions from Fastas). If you could post a couple more cars from that day I might be able to find where you are.

weird, since i posted, i spent some time trying to gold a couple remaining silver license tests. wrapped up, went to ucd, bought a 97 toyota mr2 g-limited and a lotus 111S '03...they were a couple spots apart.

looking at the second list, that combo shows up at 734/5 and 910/1.

there is no way i went from 570 to 735 or from 783 to 910 in that short a period. crazy.

 

[TornadoAlley]

weird, since i posted, i spent some time trying to gold a couple remaining silver license tests. wrapped up, went to ucd, bought a 97 toyota mr2 g-limited and a lotus 111S '03...they were a couple spots apart.

looking at the second list, that combo shows up at 734/5 and 910/1.

there is no way i went from 570 to 735 or from 783 to 910 in that short a period. crazy.

If you get a chance check your current game day (check it in the save file in the XMB). Because everyone is starting around (+ or - a few hundred days) the beginning of the lists it might give us a clue if you are just way outside the region that we have recorded.

Your other option would be to start a new game on a different profile and check your day 1 cars. That has worked for everyone else.

 

[YouichiHophop]

If you get a chance check your current game day (check it in the save file in the XMB). Because everyone is starting around (+ or - a few hundred days) the beginning of the lists it might give us a clue if you are just way outside the region that we have recorded.

Your other option would be to start a new game on a different profile and check your day 1 cars. That has worked for everyone else.

I was wondering about how the day 1 is selected, as most people who've been entering data seem to start within a few game days of each other (on which ever section of the list).

Its possible that its time/date dependant, as I suspect we all started around the end of November when the game was released ?

Has anyone started in January/Feburary ? And if so, can you post your day one list ?