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- TurkeyBurgers
I do not think the downshifting has enough pull. I just don't feel like I am downshifting, it is like when I let off the gas and downshift it doesn't have that pull or grab. IDK.
GT5P vs REAL LIFE
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i saw this stripped out spoon integra r dc2 do a lap of suzuka i dont know what tires it as using but it was group N car the time was 2:36. and there was a pop up light nsx-r think it was on oem tires that did suzuka in 2:34.
gt5p dc5 does suz in 2:25 nsxr 2:16
if i remember correctly enthusia had pretty similar times in the game and out
gt5p dc5 does suz in 2:25 nsxr 2:16
if i remember correctly enthusia had pretty similar times in the game and out
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- TheScorpion---
get in you car in the garage at home take it out and drive it into a wall.....then go home and do it in the game ....the difference will be very clear
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- Buckeye Nation
If you look at it from a U.S. "muscle car" standpoint , pretty realistic.
Good straight line acceleration , and a "not so good" handling characteristic.
Of course , back in the heydey of these cars , thats what the manufacturer's were looking at.Take it off the showroom floor,take it to your local drag strip and have fun.
PS : They probably were thinking (in the back of their mind)" 💡 " take it to your local cruise spot and do red light to red light racing,obviously they were not allowed to advertise this part.
Good straight line acceleration , and a "not so good" handling characteristic.
Of course , back in the heydey of these cars , thats what the manufacturer's were looking at.Take it off the showroom floor,take it to your local drag strip and have fun.
PS : They probably were thinking (in the back of their mind)" 💡 " take it to your local cruise spot and do red light to red light racing,obviously they were not allowed to advertise this part.
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- LR-PR-ProtoX
- ProtoApocalypse
The speed sense is fine I think...GT4 did this with the super cars and my God that was insanely overdone..too much blur effect. Hopefully this time around they can do it better, i just hate when they use too much blur effect to make it look like the car is actually moving fast, it distracts you from the action sometimes. Hopefully they will figure it out what to do. Engine noises needs to be fixed as well. V8 cars sound like 4cly cars, just horrible. Other than that in terms of how realistic the game is, GT5P isn't far from realism, it's very good but a lot things still missing. I am not going to go any further since this in my head is only a half unfinished game, so I will wait for GT5! 
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- GTP_Grim_Reaper
I can offer my experiences of a couple of the cars.
Firstly the Ferrari F40. I have not driven it, I was taken for a drive it. As the game goes the noise is not quite there, although it sounds very similar, it does not come across as raw or powerful enough. The F40 is a monster of power. When you are in it, it seems to take off gradually then the turbos kick in and it is like the world is about to explode, this does not come across in the game. It feels a bit weak.
Secondly the Evo IX. The car I drove was a Tommy Makinnen Special. So to be honest the car in the game is a little different in comparison, as the car I drove was an absolute monster, with so much power and torque, that it litterally beat you up in your seat, it was pure violence as you accelerated, and every time you dipped the clutch to change gear or put the brakes on it felt like you were about to go through the windscreen.
The main issue is that the real life experiences of power and braking for me don't come across in the game. The force that some of these cars generate just isn't there.
Firstly the Ferrari F40. I have not driven it, I was taken for a drive it. As the game goes the noise is not quite there, although it sounds very similar, it does not come across as raw or powerful enough. The F40 is a monster of power. When you are in it, it seems to take off gradually then the turbos kick in and it is like the world is about to explode, this does not come across in the game. It feels a bit weak.
Secondly the Evo IX. The car I drove was a Tommy Makinnen Special. So to be honest the car in the game is a little different in comparison, as the car I drove was an absolute monster, with so much power and torque, that it litterally beat you up in your seat, it was pure violence as you accelerated, and every time you dipped the clutch to change gear or put the brakes on it felt like you were about to go through the windscreen.
The main issue is that the real life experiences of power and braking for me don't come across in the game. The force that some of these cars generate just isn't there.
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- GTP_machschnel
From doing the odd track day, I'd have to say my only complaint is the view. I'm not saying that Polyphony made bad views, I just don't think there is a view out there that will make me feel as comfortable as real life eg. looking left and right when I like easily, looking to the apex etc
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I could not have said it better.......fact vs fiction you can bloviate all you want it still comes down to the basic real or not....
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- ProtoApocalypse
I couldnt disagree with you more. 'Throttle tipulation oversteer" (TTO) occurs most easily in light, mid-engined cars around fast corners...so take out a lotus elise on the daytona speeway roadcourse, and try lifting while turning into the small chicane before the finish. you'll spin before you can say "oh....AWESOME!" (i really appreciate this kind of realism.) If you want a physical explanation......When you lift the throttle in a well balanced car, the front end will lurch forward slightly because of the abrupt stop of acceleration. This leads to less weight on the rear wheels and consequently less grip to use. At the same time the front wheels gain more grip and start turning in faster than the rear wheels can handle...and as a result, off the track you go! Try giving MORE gas for more grip...strange huh?
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- GTP_bevofrancis
- bevo francis
Everyone knows that. This is a sim forum, we all know that driving a real car can kill you, and a sim will not. There are comparisons that can be made though, and that is what this thread is all about. A lot of the things in the game do mimic real driving very well though.
I have seen motion cockpits, that would simulate driving into a wall, very well on this site too. They are only for pc sims though. Some are so violent that a five point harness is needed to use the racing setup.
It all depends on how far you are willing to take your sim experience. A normal controller will not give you much info into how the car is handling. Get a g25 and it will up your feeling of the "car" that much more. Go buy a frex setup and you will start to feel even more out about how the car is handling. Or you can go and get this
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/22/force-dynamics-401-simulator-chair-is-pure-abuse/
Then you may start to experience what it's like, to take a real car and run it into a wall. How far you want to take your sim racing experience is up to you.
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- Simcoeace
This is one of the strange things about GT5P: no real feel for the downshifting, + no consequences for not matching RPM to the gear shift. Why wouldn't they model this (at least in Pro physics)? Ferrari Challenge does it (sort-of) with a crunching of gears & miss-shift if your RPMs are way off for the shift.
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- RaySirX
As much as I like gt5p there is a lot of projecting people do about what is-or-isnt being simulated in the physics engine. Here we have a case of an extremely basic function NOT being accounted for. Matching revs is a requirement going back to the Model-T. I only mention it because some people make it sound like PD has left no stone unturned in its obsessive demand for simulation.
One technique in tt mode is to downshift from whatever gear and speed you are in on a straight, right into first gear, just as you begin to brake. One of the fastest leaderboard guys in the world does this (Imallin7777).
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- VIPERGTS01
GT4 has no blur effects, GT never has.
Either your eyes or TV can't keep up.
Oh I hate that and the car is bouncing off limiter (when in real life the engine would be dragged well past limiter into engine rebuilders hands), tons of people do it intentional or not, it's my number one pet peeve when viewing others replays.
If you turn ABS off it seems to me that downshifting without rev matching (using G25 clutch) while trailing-in does reduce stability a lot, but with ABS on it's effect is much reduced.
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- GTP_Drought
*****Throttle Response*****
The way I see its, is, every car in the game is automatic. Unless one has a wheel with a clutch...and engages it, the car will be semi automatic. A semi automatic car is much more stable than a standard car.
With the element of a clutch thrown into the fold, each car behaviors completely different, thus changing your perception of the game. 💡
💡*****Throttle Response*****💡
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- rexc
Yep, one of the things that makes me groan watching time trial replays as well. Lets see them do that trick in GT5 when we have damage modelling implemented. See how long they last then.
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- Simcoeace
I have to admit I abandoned using the clutch on my G25 after a couple of weeks using it with GT5P, as I found myself uncompetitive with it & the lack of "feel" made it not particularly satisfying to use. I wonder how many G25 users are using the clutch in online racing? However, I do always (where appropriate) use the H-shifter, even though I think that is also a disadvantage compared to sequential shifting - the more you have to do with your hands, the less focus there is on brake/throttle/steering. I don't know how controller drivers manage?!
I actually feel that people tend to drive too well in GT5P, partly due to the endless repetition of the same few tracks. After hundreds of laps you come to learn exactly where the best line & brake points are. This takes some of the raw edge & excitement out of the racing IMO. The ability to run a series of races on different tracks, as in Ferrari Challenge, rather than the same track over & over again, would help.
I actually feel that people tend to drive too well in GT5P, partly due to the endless repetition of the same few tracks. After hundreds of laps you come to learn exactly where the best line & brake points are. This takes some of the raw edge & excitement out of the racing IMO. The ability to run a series of races on different tracks, as in Ferrari Challenge, rather than the same track over & over again, would help.
I couldn't have said it better. 👍 That is indeed one thing about these forums that continually surprises me.
I've stopped using the clutch since the latest update as the sensitivity and amount of missed shifts is completely unrealistic. I still run with the H-shifter when appropriate and even blip the throttle on downshifts (though it's completely unnecessary, but it's a hard habit to break from other sims).
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