GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Chris30]

Are there any Gr3 cars in the game that don't have pogo sticks for suspension?

I really don't know tbh, the only Group 3 car I find hard to control is the Huracan. 50% of the time, it is not stable on any track.
@Brinki Yeah, I see not many players are racing at the Sprint, I set a time of 1'22.089 which got me a rank of #6039. And I usually don't do that well in the rankings.

 

[Kriptical]

The pogo stick comments are interesting. It felt like i was one of the few with wicked oscillations keeping me from the gr1/2 cars lately.

I’ve kept whining because it felt as if the oscillations were, just a guess here, road textures which, at speed, were not being dampened appropriately and consequently a product of the physics ‘bug’ affecting many cars. I think its affecting everything. Just more obvious in some.

 

[mellofello9]

The pogo stick comments are interesting. It felt like i was one of the few with wicked oscillations keeping me from the gr1/2 cars lately.

I’ve kept whining because it felt as if the oscillations were, just a guess here, road textures which, at speed, were not being dampened appropriately and consequently a product of the physics ‘bug’ affecting many cars. I think its affecting everything. Just more obvious in some.

Have not experienced this but also have not spent a whole lot of time in Gr.1 or 2 cars lately. I did run Spa in Gr.2's but, again, didn't spend a TON of time practicing and never raced it. Prior to that was Monza in Gr.1's but not sure where that fell with regard to releases/updates. Is this something you feel in the wheel and is impacting lap times/grip? Is it visible in replays as well?

Apparently missed some posts about this for the details. My bad on that.😇



EDIT
I'm on a controller, which was the whole reason I was even asking about it...yet failed to mention that part AT ALL. Was wondering if we were spared the pain.🤣

 

[icycls]

One quick note before you go...

Pretty sure quitting races is amplifying your misery ten-fold. Not because of some existential 💩 about attitude and whatnot, it's the points. Quitting kinda murders your DR/SR. Even finishing the race DFL nets lower overall loss so mitigates some of the drain pain. Less points lost = a further climb up the bar when you do well. Similarly, when you fail miserably you have a bit more cushion to the bottom.👍

Eventually this all balances out and you end-up at a rank that reflects your abilities. In the meantime, you get damn good at defensive driving and discovering lines you didn't know existed, lol. Quitting screws that balance up leaving you in the oubliette of despair that is Dr C.

I'm not telling you how to play the game, only how to game the game as it was designed to be gamed to better enjoy the game, gamer.😁

"oubliette of despair" - nice one, had to comment!
Also, a good summary....

 

[bone_tone]

Race C feels like a nice relaxing drive in the countryside compared to A and B 🥵

Generally starting near the front in A or B, but jeezo it's hard work - might have to turn the FFB down a bit 🤣 Not managed a win yet due to tiny errors.

Not surprised you're starting near the front with a 1.27ish QT!

The best I can manage is a 1.32.x, albeit with the TS050 - the best I can get out of the Bugatti is a 1.33.x.....

Having said that, despite starting P12 or below (low B/S lobbies) in the Toyota, I've had a 4th place finish today, followed by two P3s.

It seems that although plenty of people can set a good QT in the Bugatti, many can't manage to get through a whole race well with it!

 

[Chris30]

Not surprised you're starting near the front with a 1.27ish QT!

The best I can manage is a 1.32.x, albeit with the TS050 - the best I can get out of the Bugatti is a 1.33.x.....

Having said that, despite starting P12 or below (low B/S lobbies) in the Toyota, I've had a 4th place finish today, followed by two P3s.

It seems that although plenty of people can set a good QT in the Bugatti, many can't manage to get through a whole race well with it!

Well I'm stuck in the 1'38.000's, so I have to polish up my skills here, near the sweepers and the bus stop. I am not a fan of the longer version but I like the scenery and trees/people standing in the crowd as I race by. I've been doing well with the Bugatti so I suppose I'll stick with it.

 

[Kriptical]

Have not experienced this but also have not spent a whole lot of time in Gr.1 or 2 cars lately. I did run Spa in Gr.2's but, again, didn't spend a TON of time practicing and never raced it. Prior to that was Monza in Gr.1's but not sure where that fell with regard to releases/updates. Is this something you feel in the wheel and is impacting lap times/grip? Is it visible in replays as well?

Apparently missed some posts about this for the details. My bad on that.😇



EDIT
I'm on a controller, which was the whole reason I was even asking about it...yet failed to mention that part AT ALL. Was wondering if we were spared the pain.🤣

the tldr is basically its a product of 1.49’s orbit inducing compression/expansion ~ incorrect dampening values somewhere bug.

As for lap times and grip. Kinda maybe! Personally, yes because at my preferred settings(admittedly heavy) will create a nice amount of oscillation at higher speeds. But its funny. If i softly, but firmly try to settle the wheel it can be manageable ish. Gripped like an angry gorilla will lead it to increasing intensity to the point where it gets funny. I have a video on the extreme’s thread illustrating it. The oscillation in the video is about medium power because i was starting to tune it out. Higher ndp, zero int and dropping for in the fanatec settings achieve this, but with some ffb compromises which i don’t love.

That said, physics are global, and while you can’t feel it on a controller im sure its affecting us all.

As for replays, some cars are having cartoonish responses. Endo’s and low rider style bouncing type things. Battles have been waged on the update thread 😂. Some good videos over there. Funny ones too. Gr3 and 4 cars have been affected for me, but since 1.52 they are pretty well controlled. Its still there, but nothing gets silly. However it could be responsible for weird behavior such as your car wanting to swap ends when maybe it should have held on. But thats pretty hard for us to isolate and detect.


…i kinda wonder if this weeks car choices were to generate data for the next patch.

 

[brockie]

Not surprised you're starting near the front with a 1.27ish QT!

The best I can manage is a 1.32.x, albeit with the TS050 - the best I can get out of the Bugatti is a 1.33.x.....

Having said that, despite starting P12 or below (low B/S lobbies) in the Toyota, I've had a 4th place finish today, followed by two P3s.

It seems that although plenty of people can set a good QT in the Bugatti, many can't manage to get through a whole race well with it!

You need to crack on with that Bugatti mate, it’s a monster ride 🤣

Basically, 4th round T1 and no different to a gr3 race, but brake in a straight line only, bus stop is a killer, lift in 6th and just hold on 🤣 small lift down the hill and keep in 4th for the turn, 3rd for the next uphill turn and then the next 2 after that, second to last turn 5th and flat, again just hold it, it will stick and a slight lift and 5th in the last - I got a 1.29.050 and I think I could get into the 1.28 but I just can’t be bothered 😁

Racing is something else 😳 my opening greeting is ‘see you in a pile at the bus stop’ 😂

 

[Gurzu]

One quick note before you go...

Pretty sure quitting races is amplifying your misery ten-fold. Not because of some existential 💩 about attitude and whatnot, it's the points. Quitting kinda murders your DR/SR. Even finishing the race DFL nets lower overall loss so mitigates some of the drain pain. Less points lost = a further climb up the bar when you do well. Similarly, when you fail miserably you have a bit more cushion to the bottom.👍

Eventually this all balances out and you end-up at a rank that reflects your abilities. In the meantime, you get damn good at defensive driving and discovering lines you didn't know existed, lol. Quitting screws that balance up leaving you in the oubliette of despair that is Dr C.

I'm not telling you how to play the game, only how to game the game as it was designed to be gamed to better enjoy the game, gamer.😁

I may be misunderstood. I'm perfecly conscious of the difference of rage quit penalty vs coming last at the end of race, especially when there's 600% points to lose or gain. I don't really mind to get demoted to DR C cause I'll need just few "lonely" races from pole to get back to B (it happened already in the two last weekend in Tokyo/Barcellona and Sardegna). What is really disturbing is that, like on social platforms, there's a loud minority of trolls (or joypad worriors) that just like to spoil others live in general. I'll not go through the phycology about what people do behind a nickname, but nevertheless i ditched all socials and whatever could bring me in contact with those poor individuals that need just to be pitied. Call me "snob" but I prefer to target DR A in order to minimise encounters with nasty racers. To do so, I need more practise to get to speed with gripy cars, while with road cars I'm more at ease. Im looking also to be accepted at GBRC group to see how it is and maybe, if find my cup of tea, I'll be ok to race just 2 days a week.

 

[TheNormsk]

Race A, I just did one. I came in last, 46 seconds behind the leader. It was like I was driving in molasses compared to the others even though my time is a 1:20.9.

I discovered last night why my performance was so bad. I found my brake pedal is registering ~6% constantly and my limits had reset to 5-15% so I had a constant ~1% brake and a very on-off feel. In addition, constant brake, in a car like the NSX (which is hybrid I think) kills the hybrid system as it gets stuck in re-gen mode.

I've now recalibrated my brake to be 10-100% range until I can service it and figure out why it's registering ~6% all the time. Perhaps I'll try race A again now...

 

[newmedia_dev]

I discovered last night why my performance was so bad. I found my brake pedal is registering ~6% constantly and my limits had reset to 5-15% of I had constant ~1% brake and a very on-off feel. In addition, constant brake, in a car like the NSX (which is hybrid I think) kills the hybrid system as it gets suck in re-gen mode.

I've now recalibrated my brake to be 10-100% range until I can service it and figure out why it's registering ~6% all the time. Perhaps I'll try race A again now...

I've posted several times and YouTube videos showing this issue in the in game pedal calibration 😉 the first vid I showed it has 11k views

The feeling of the Bugatti at Watkins is horrific on my wheel, there are thes jarring dead spots that shake the shaft and make my QR1 like it's going to shake itself to bits.

I'm using the setting recommended in the update patch notes and in game torque 4 and FFB sensitivity 1

Conversely for the M3 TT I have the in game torque at 9 or 10

It's just this really harsh slack that kills me and my mechanical sympathy.

It's just not a fun experience to hold the wheel in this car/track combo.

 

[bone_tone]

You need to crack on with that Bugatti mate, it’s a monster ride 🤣

Basically, 4th round T1 and no different to a gr3 race, but brake in a straight line only, bus stop is a killer, lift in 6th and just hold on 🤣 small lift down the hill and keep in 4th for the turn, 3rd for the next uphill turn and then the next 2 after that, second to last turn 5th and flat, again just hold it, it will stick and a slight lift and 5th in the last - I got a 1.29.050 and I think I could get into the 1.28 but I just can’t be bothered 😁

Racing is something else 😳 my opening greeting is ‘see you in a pile at the bus stop’ 😂

Ah, this may be the problem - I can't use MT (tendonitis and Dupuytren's), so I'm stuck with AT.

Still, as far as I can see in race, the only places the Bugatti is faster (much faster too!) is in the sweeping right after the bus stop, and the final turn. The Toyota is great on acceleration out of turn 1, and can keep the Bug behind until after the bus stop, and is mega up the hill after the hairpin bend - again, it can keep the Bug behind until halfway down the start/finish straight.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I really don't want to drive this car anymore.

That's me done, 602 on the global leaderboard is enough for me.

Edit:

@bone_tone you can map gear changes to face buttons if that would help with the tendinitis (it might not make you quicker mind) but it an option

 

[brockie]

I really don't want to drive this car anymore.

That's me done, 602 on the global leaderboard is enough for me.

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Edit:

@bone_tone you can map gear changes to face buttons if that would help with the tendinitis (it might not make you quicker mind) but it an option

Those times are insane, but I agree it’s really not fun, A either isn’t a lot of fun, can’t see me doing any nordschleife,

I can only liken WG to scalextrix which is fun for a nano second

 

[jenson86]

3min of joy at the green hell. I was trying to do a clean overtake, but opponent kept closing the gap. Racing that close in VR (+motion) on that track is just incredible ☺️

 

[newmedia_dev]

Those times are insane, but I agree it’s really not fun, A either isn’t a lot of fun, can’t see me doing any nordschleife,

I can only liken WG to scalextrix which is fun for a nano second

I haven't done a single race this week not on alts or anything.

And even more rarely I haven't put in times for the other 2 either.

I said a page or so back this week has been engineered rightly or wrongly for something PD wants and I'm assuming it to encourage participation in the GTWS. The top lobbies were/will be rammed but I'd imagine the struggle is in our lower splits getting numbers and reducing the quitting.

We will never know, but the races aren't being massively lauded by the people that are usually the bread and butter of these things on here or elsewhere.

C is getting all the "air time" and I believe that was what they wanted.

Your analogy of scaletrix is spot on, especially as it's the sort track shape that scaletrix would use 🤣 but with a chaos cross over.

As a massive massive racer and participant of sport mode typically this week has just been meh with nothing peeking my interest.

The ring is great for those ring lovers but I'm a bit fatigued of the place to be honest.

 

[mellofello9]

the tldr is basically its a product of 1.49’s orbit inducing compression/expansion ~ incorrect dampening values somewhere bug.

As for lap times and grip. Kinda maybe! Personally, yes because at my preferred settings(admittedly heavy) will create a nice amount of oscillation at higher speeds. But its funny. If i softly, but firmly try to settle the wheel it can be manageable ish. Gripped like an angry gorilla will lead it to increasing intensity to the point where it gets funny. I have a video on the extreme’s thread illustrating it. The oscillation in the video is about medium power because i was starting to tune it out. Higher ndp, zero int and dropping for in the fanatec settings achieve this, but with some ffb compromises which i don’t love.

That said, physics are global, and while you can’t feel it on a controller im sure its affecting us all.

As for replays, some cars are having cartoonish responses. Endo’s and low rider style bouncing type things. Battles have been waged on the update thread 😂. Some good videos over there. Funny ones too. Gr3 and 4 cars have been affected for me, but since 1.52 they are pretty well controlled. Its still there, but nothing gets silly. However it could be responsible for weird behavior such as your car wanting to swap ends when maybe it should have held on. But thats pretty hard for us to isolate and detect.


…i kinda wonder if this weeks car choices were to generate data for the next patch.

Thanks for the explanation and you're probably right on the data collection/usage. I knew the aftermath of 1.49 was hilarity, I just didn't realize it was still floating around in low-key fashion. Of late I've only been in Gr.3's so maybe that's why it hasn't smacked me in the face.

I'm also not that 'dialed-in' to notice this stuff...if I was, I'd be faster.🤣

 

[brockie]

I haven't done a single race this week not on alts or anything.

And even more rarely I haven't put in times for the other 2 either.

I said a page or so back this week has been engineered rightly or wrongly for something PD wants and I'm assuming it to encourage participation in the GTWS. The top lobbies were/will be rammed but I'd imagine the struggle is in our lower splits getting numbers and reducing the quitting.

We will never know, but the races aren't being massively lauded by the people that are usually the bread and butter of these things on here or elsewhere.

C is getting all the "air time" and I believe that was what they wanted.

Your analogy of scaletrix is spot on, especially as it's the sort track shape that scaletrix would use 🤣 but with a chaos cross over.

As a massive massive racer and participant of sport mode typically this week has just been meh with nothing peeking my interest.

The ring is great for those ring lovers but I'm a bit fatigued of the place to be honest.

Yeah I can’t remember any week ever where there’s been no interest for me at all, sure there’s been weeks with tracks I’d prefer to miss but end up racing anyway and enjoying in the end.

Total meh for me too

 

[Kriptical]

Thanks for the explanation and you're probably right on the data collection/usage. I knew the aftermath of 1.49 was hilarity, I just didn't realize it was still floating around in low-key fashion. Of late I've only been in Gr.3's so maybe that's why it hasn't smacked me in the face.

I'm also not that 'dialed-in' to notice this stuff...if I was, I'd be faster.🤣

It really does depend what you drive. Gr3’s and 4’s are pretty controlled with 1.52 but i guess this issue is related to something fundamental as the fixes have felt more like suppression attempts. Honestly, i might not be this focused and aware if not for the high speed(only on straights) super jiggle ride. The bug goes full spin cycle at about 230km which makes that bus stop thing super fun

…to loop the car on 😂

 

[newmedia_dev]

It really does depend what you drive. Gr3’s and 4’s are pretty controlled with 1.52 but i guess this issue is related to something fundamental as the fixes have felt more like suppression attempts. Honestly, i might not be this focused and aware if not for the high speed(only on straights) super jiggle ride. The bug goes full spin cycle at about 230km which makes that bus stop thing super fun

…to loop the car on 😂

The issue persists with these cars, if I run game sensitivity higher then it's a straight line judder fest. More Gr3 because if the higher speeds and aero.

Prior to 1.49 I was using a really uncommunicative wheel settings to dial this and some of the visceral wheel feedback of curbs.

Post 1.49 I changed to default and just took it on the chin that I have to change game FFB torque per car. 1.52 seems to be a bit of a regression.

I'd imagine they have 2 primary teams feeding in to the main branch at overlapping intervals which is why we see things creep in with updates that were fixed before.

Also based on the race configuration this week and the GTWS finale and the lat 2 weeks of driving players to GR3 they want to showcase something to get that FIA esports approval back, this not only conicides with the stabilising of GR3 BoP but also incentivising Gr3 races.

I have no idea what they have done but as a fanatec user I feel my TGT2 was a nicer wheel and base than what I'm currently having to use. The whole buttery smooth DD fanatec stuff has disappeared in to a horrific unpleasant experience exacerbated by the GR1/2 stuff

 

[GTWolverine]

😁 I just can’t get on with racing B. It’s almost like you must nail that bus stop every lap, which so far as I see, no one is doing.

I started 3rd earlier, 4th lap completely crashed out and finished 10th 🤨

Pole finished behind me 🤣

Tough going and then some

I started on pole in every race I've done so far, and crashed out of a multi-second lead almost as often as I won...

 

[afc5150]

Despite not feeling well this week, I've managed 3 race Cs. My 8:13:8xx has been good enough for Q1, Q1 and Q4. Race 1 was a mixed bag from CS to A+S, while race 2 and 3 were mostly A and A+.

Each race has very clean at the front and I've gone P1, P2 and P3. Should probably quit at this rate!

Could have won race 2 but ran out of talent going side by side through the last 2 corners and took out the barrier just before hitting the GP circuit.

I wouldn't be upset if PD had a dedicated daily race at Nurburgring each and every week. It's good for my DR!

 

[_Katt_]

I'm living at Nurbs this week. I started out trying to use the 2020 Mercedes but the rear traction in that monster is virtually non-existent with the hard tires and the ice cold track surface.

So I figured I would try something mid/rear engine to get some extra weight over the rears and not as much mass trying to yank me around corners. Tried the Ford, the Ferrari, and the Lambo. Didn't really like any of them, they're too twitchy for me.

I was getting times in the 8:28-32 range with those cars. Grabbed the McLaren and immediately set an 8:22 with it. Ran a few races, had a really good time but realized that the Porsches and BMWs would drag me everywhere. I could maintain speed in the corners but ultimately those two were just quicker.

I gave up one race and grabbed the Porsche. Immediately set an 8:17.

I'm B/S for ratiings and consistently starting at or near Pole. I have no idea how people are getting low 8's here but given they're in the higher lobbies I'm not that concerned.
If we could have The Ring every week that would be awesome!

 

[TheNormsk]

I have no idea how people are getting low 8's here

Between low B and high B is a huge swing in talent. I would say that B has more variability than any other group.

A+ = 👽 Well they vacation out in the solar system when not driving
A = Attention seekers. Are serious hard core racers that put the practice in to maintain consistency
B = Blimey! Ranges from talented casual driver to a wannabe hard core racer whose skill is just not there yet
C = Casual folks and those beginning out..
D = Dregs
E = Exceptionally new! you never know, could be a total beginning or a A+ alien starting a new account (though they tend to rapidly progress through the ranks).

Am I wrong?


Edit: What is a good B word that describes DR B folks? Blood thirsty? Bodacious? Boisterous?

 

[Kriptical]

Bangers

 

[mellofello9]

Gotta love when you're half-way through a decent lap at N24 and hear the oil go bad...🤬🤬🤬

I know it's not 'supposed' to make a difference. But if that were true, why did I find myself asking what was wrong with my car comin' out of corners? Car didn't sound right and wasn't building rpm's as it should. It was a fractional difference, for sure but if it didn't sound right, it couldn't be running right. Stop by Sir Lube-a-Lot's and, sure enough, oil was at <NORMAL>.

I've always been HYPER sound aware. I attribute it to having really bad eyes and not getting glasses until I was 5 or so. Sound was everything so little nuances bug me.😁

Back to try and get some laps in. Down to 8:22 but pretty sure I can skate around this joint a bit faster.

 

[Stilva]

Every time the full Nurburgring comes up on a daily race I get excited. Then I remember every race there I have is a disaster. This time will be different I think to myself. But, I forge ahead and proceed to have 2 disaster races. I got shoved aside by 2 drivers back to back on the second hairpin. I then spin on my recovery attempt and finish far down the field. Add to that an off track penalty staring me in the face for the entire opening lap. Not fun.

The second race started well enough. I did punt a driver, but they chopped my nose so their fault. Entering the final sequence of turns that transition to the GP track, a driver goes off track, and directly into my driver side door and that turns me enough to go head on to the barriers there. Then a driver throws block on me at the start of the straight after Flugplatz. Total helmet move by them. So, my car is damaged and I fall behind again as I could not find any grip after that. I'm frustrated by all of this and I might be done for the week.

Between low B and high B is a huge swing in talent. I would say that B has more variability than any other group.
...
B = Blimey! Ranges from talented casual driver to a wannabe hard core racer whose skill is just not there yet

As a wanna be hard core racer whose skills are just not there I feel called out lol.

 

[jrbabbitt]

I just ran Race C in my primary account, didn't qualify thus I started in P16. Finished in P6 but you have to see the bugged start I had to endure...

 

[Thorson1987]

Absolutely loving Race C this week.

2 races yesterday, one today.

Now if only I can go a full lap without making a stupid mistake like I can when setting quali times.

Finally managed to complete a race without spinning/crashing.

Started 3rd, got into 2nd at turn one and then just concentrated on not making a mistake and only worried about the cars behind me.

Driver on pole had a qualifying lap 10 seconds faster than me so just let them go.

Between low B and high B is a huge swing in talent. I would say that B has more variability than any other group.

A+ = 👽 Well they vacation out in the solar system when not driving
A = Attention seekers. Are serious hard core racers that put the practice in to maintain consistency
B = Blimey! Ranges from talented casual driver to a wannabe hard core racer whose skill is just not there yet
C = Casual folks and those beginning out..
D = Dregs
E = Exceptionally new! you never know, could be a total beginning or a A+ alien starting a new account (though they tend to rapidly progress through the ranks).

Am I wrong?


Edit: What is a good B word that describes DR B folks? Blood thirsty? Bodacious? Boisterous?

I float between C and D.

Generally too quick for D lobbies, but have some weeks like this week where I start in C but just constantly have terrible races and I go back down to D.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Via GTSH-Rank.com

Guessing:

A: ?
B: Gr3
C: Gr4

But based on the last 2 weeks literally could be anything now (except karts, I remembered Nebuc 🤣)