GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

The 155 leaps out of corners and CGV is basically 6 of the same corner exits.

 

[newmedia_dev]

The 155 leaps out of corners and CGV is basically 6 of the same corner exits.

I was just talking about this, and not moaning or anything variety is the spice of life etc but my word it’s just a circuit sausage fest.

I’ve done more mounting than the Regulators, and every time I live in that RBR hopium….pen not pen….

 

[brockie]

Here's the latest guide for those interested. For me Daily Race A is the best this week, especially if you get the right lobby some superb racing to be had!

@newmedia_dev decent effort mate, saw you disappear down the field at the beginning from the race guide but well recovered, 👍

 

[newmedia_dev]

@newmedia_dev decent effort mate, saw you disappear down the field at the beginning from the race guide but well recovered, 👍

Nah, sparks and hogston sent it I was always only 4th and then sparks put it in the wall 🤣

I haven’t tried to improve put still 56th, it’s such a proper race compared to Catalunya grinding

 

[NevilleNobody]

I was just talking about this, and not moaning or anything variety is the spice of life etc but my word it’s just a circuit sausage fest.

I’ve done more mounting than the Regulators, and every time I live in that RBR hopium….pen not pen….

It's a crap track, people fantasize about it because of 2011 or whenever it was but it's always been absolute garbage. It's just chicane to chicane, throw in a hairpin ... utterly joyless.

 

[TheNormsk]

We've been saying this for the past 4 years near enough. You either like doing the same crap week in week out, or you move on.

Yep, I pretty much moved on. If I partake it seems to be mostly on race A now. That one is interesting on Monday and Tuesday but then gets boring after that as anyone competent moves on as well.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I generally enjoy Barcelona (no chicane) so long as the folks around me don't bomb in at that awkward left before the very short back straight.

 

[hyperspeed980]

I noticed that 90% of daily races include always Group 3 and 4, it's rarely we can use Group 2 or faster cars. Also the tracks are often the same. Come on guys let's have more fun.

PD tried making fun dailies for the game's launch, and people (streamers) revolted so hard they got sworn to an eternal oath of Gr.3 every week instead.

 

[Nebuc72]

PD tried making fun dailies for the game's launch, and people (streamers) revolted so hard they got sworn to an eternal oath of Gr.3 every week instead.

Most fun I've ever had in Sport Mode was that tuner Silvia daily, and when they did that surprise Suzuki Carry tuner race. Just absolute dregs for anyone that doesn't want to do Gr.3 or Gr.4 every week. Especially now they have snails pace power, my god.

 

[benjoi84]

Most fun I've ever had in Sport Mode was that tuner Silvia daily, and when they did that surprise Suzuki Carry tuner race. Just absolute dregs for anyone that doesn't want to do Gr.3 or Gr.4 every week. Especially now they have snails pace power, my god.

It makes no sense. People moan that "everyday" cars are too slow, so they streamline Sport Mode into basically racecars-only territory. Then they nerf the things to oblivion.

 

[TheNormsk]

PD tried making fun dailies for the game's launch, and people (streamers) revolted so hard they got sworn to an eternal oath of Gr.3 every week instead.

So it's @Tidgney fault then? LOL

Most fun I've ever had in Sport Mode was that tuner Silvia daily, and when they did that surprise Suzuki Carry tuner race. Just absolute dregs for anyone that doesn't want to do Gr.3 or Gr.4 every week. Especially now they have snails pace power, my god.

Agree. I'm terrible at tuning but those have been some of the most fun, trying to figure out the best tunes. Those were also the ones when I might break into the top 200 on the QT....

 

[newmedia_dev]

Most fun I've ever had in Sport Mode was that tuner Silvia daily, and when they did that surprise Suzuki Carry tuner race. Just absolute dregs for anyone that doesn't want to do Gr.3 or Gr.4 every week. Especially now they have snails pace power, my god.

There is this weird place where things sit though.

Lawnmowers, space hoppers, getting a tuning edge, tire compounds, meta non meta.

The thing I look at now is just what is the racing like and is it a car or a watermelon because you can race anything.

There is a danger forgetting what racing is which is the peer challenge not the hardware, that’s just the tool.

It makes no sense. People moan that "everyday" cars are too slow, so they streamline Sport Mode into basically racecars-only territory. Then they nerf the things to oblivion.

That’s not true, as I said to Nebuc, it’s not ideal but there are 2 competing objectives happening here.

I want to race with cars I want and can tweak vs standardised (badly bop’d) races because you want variety of cars vs racing. Both are fine, just for the masses I’d imagine that consistency outweighs novelty.

Normsk said it earlier, A is great for a day or 2 and then everyone moves on.

 

[Nebuc72]

There is this weird place where things sit though.

Lawnmowers, space hoppers, getting a tuning edge, tire compounds, meta non meta.

The thing I look at now is just what is the racing like and is it a car or a watermelon because you can race anything.

There is a danger forgetting what racing is which is the peer challenge not the hardware, that’s just the tool.

I'm in an admittedly priveleged position of having other sims avaliable to me, which is where I go for the proper racing, games that to be honest, just do GT3 etc. better, with full multiclass support, more car variety, more track variety, and so on.
I quite frankly don't think GT does the peer challenge well in Sport Mode. The penalty system is long abusable and the netcode/pinball physics encourage bad driving with little to no conseqeunces.

GT's niche for me has always been filling out what I can't do in specialised sims. I can't drive a Carry anywhere else, hell I can't drive a Silvia there. I can't take a car off a used lot and tune it up and race it against friends there.

Racing comes in many shapes, forms, and sizes. It's not a one size fits all for enjoyment, and GT is pushing away a lot of players like me by essentially refusing to use the other strengths it has and recycling those dregs over and over and over again. It's all in the game for them to use it. It's a shame they don't.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I'm in an admittedly priveleged position of having other sims avaliable to me, which is where I go for the proper racing, games that to be honest, just do GT3 etc. better, with full multiclass support, more car variety, more track variety, and so on.
I quite frankly don't think GT does the peer challenge well in Sport Mode. The penalty system is long abusable and the netcode/pinball physics encourage bad driving with little to no conseqeunces.

GT's niche for me has always been filling out what I can't do in specialised sims. I can't drive a Carry anywhere else, hell I can't drive a Silvia there. I can't take a car off a used lot and tune it up and race it against friends there.

Racing comes in many shapes, forms, and sizes. It's not a one size fits all for enjoyment, and GT is pushing away a lot of players like me by essentially refusing to use the other strengths it has and recycling those dregs over and over and over again. It's all in the game for them to use it. It's a shame they don't.

Absolutely, I’m not going to defend GT it’s not GTR2 or GTL let alone live for speed. Rfactor, iRacing etc etc

I don’t have PC racing anymore, and PMR (shudders) means it’s just GT.

So regardless of title, platform or reasons why we race is for the fun, the challenge and win maybe. That is title agnostic, so we can openly all bitch about variety but AC and LMU lack on that as well.

It’s not great in GT land but it really does depend on your lense, do you want novelty or racing, you can have both but racing is the consistent bit.

 

[hyperspeed980]

That is title agnostic, so we can openly all bitch about variety but AC and LMU lack on that as well.

It’s not great in GT land but it really does depend on your lense, do you want novelty or racing, you can have both but racing is the consistent bit.

GT isn't AC or LMU, though.

GT's goal as a franchise is to represent decades upon decades of automotive culture, and the official multiplayer mode for the game achieves not even 5% of that. It wastes the hundreds of non-race cars we have, it wastes the real-world racing icons we have (when was the last time they used the W196 or MP4/4?) and it makes an absolute mockery of the franchise's own legendary cars. Gr.3 and Gr.4 are not exciting enough to warrant 99% of an entire game mode being dedicated to them.

 

[Uday9479]

Here's the latest guide for those interested. For me Daily Race A is the best this week, especially if you get the right lobby some superb racing to be had!

Thank You Mate. Your lap guide vids on Monday are like a immune booster. Simply lovely.....

 

[brockie]

I generally enjoy Barcelona (no chicane) so long as the folks around me don't bomb in at that awkward left before the very short back straight.

I’m with you here, I needed a good basic track to evoke with this eeek and Catalunya fits the bill, I’m just not sure what car I’ll race come the weekend, the 296 feels heavy here, the Porsche is underpowered against the Lamborghini at least so I think I’ll try the BM today, but it’s a track where certain cars are twitchy, Huracan, BM, 458.

But it’s a challenge at least

 

[TheNormsk]

@newmedia_dev i thought your lap time would be unobtainable at Daytona, what with the replay saved on it, but sorry 🤣

GT7 | DR A 26-02 | Top 100 qualification lap in Daily Race A


Too late to race tonight now. I’ll probably suck and embarrass myself tomorrow when I get back on it.

I would like this combo as a TT (yes I’m weird).

 

[Rash-182]

Of course, right after I win two daily C's in a row (no idea how) and log off, SuperGT then goes online and races the same people I did. Crazy how thin the margins are at Gr4. Not needing to trail brake too much also helps narrowing the skill gap I guess.

 

[benjoi84]

There is this weird place where things sit though.

Lawnmowers, space hoppers, getting a tuning edge, tire compounds, meta non meta.

The thing I look at now is just what is the racing like and is it a car or a watermelon because you can race anything.

There is a danger forgetting what racing is which is the peer challenge not the hardware, that’s just the tool.

That’s not true, as I said to Nebuc, it’s not ideal but there are 2 competing objectives happening here.

I want to race with cars I want and can tweak vs standardised (badly bop’d) races because you want variety of cars vs racing. Both are fine, just for the masses I’d imagine that consistency outweighs novelty.

Normsk said it earlier, A is great for a day or 2 and then everyone moves on.

Another thing to mention, along with your correct observations, is that it's largely the audience whom have shaped the nature of Sport Mode, not the game's developers themselves.

I personally got attracted to online racing a decade ago, once my internet situation improved to a decent enough level for it to become feasible. I'm not interested in any other online gaming other than racing, because of the nature of online gaming in general. I guess that's the trap i fell into.

I'd love to see how fast i could drive all those virtual cars that I've enjoyed over the past two decades.

Don't get me wrong, i enjoy my races tremendously. But i acknowledge that a decent chunk of patience can be required, along with persistence, and as Nebu pointed out, the penalty system and physics don't discourage the things which are testing people, or outright keeping them away.

I understand there are lobbies and private leagues, and I've dipped my toes in here and there, but working nights and evenings means I'm wedded to the game's own shared online system.

 

[Bondwhar]

I have yet to actually have a race in B but am trying to sort a decent Q time. Any track limits breached usually results in a 0.5 penalty but for some reason the ‘bus stop’ is not giving a time penalty but puts the timer to red and doesn’t clear in the next lap! Therefore you have to restart completely which means the previous timing ⏱️ points are gone!
What is going on 😏😇👊🏻

 

[TheNormsk]

I have yet to actually have a race in B but am trying to sort a decent Q time. Any track limits breached usually results in a 0.5 penalty but for some reason the ‘bus stop’ is not giving a time penalty but puts the timer to red and doesn’t clear in the next lap! Therefore you have to restart completely which means the previous timing ⏱️ points are gone!
What is going on 😏😇👊🏻

Do you mean daily race A at Daytona?

The reason the bus stop is different is that it is part of the last sector before the start line. If you go out of track limits there the game considers it cheating in get advantage for the start line and so invalidates the entire next lap.

That happens on all tracks. An invalid last sector always invalidates the next lap.

 

[Childe Roland]

GT's niche for me has always been filling out what I can't do in specialised sims. I can't drive a Carry anywhere else, hell I can't drive a Silvia there. I can't take a car off a used lot and tune it up and race it against friends there.

Racing comes in many shapes, forms, and sizes. It's not a one size fits all for enjoyment, and GT is pushing away a lot of players like me by essentially refusing to use the other strengths it has and recycling those dregs over and over and over again. It's all in the game for them to use it. It's a shame they don't.

GT's goal as a franchise is to represent decades upon decades of automotive culture, and the official multiplayer mode for the game achieves not even 5% of that. It wastes the hundreds of non-race cars we have, it wastes the real-world racing icons we have (when was the last time they used the W196 or MP4/4?) and it makes an absolute mockery of the franchise's own legendary cars. Gr.3 and Gr.4 are not exciting enough to warrant 99% of an entire game mode being dedicated to them.

I get what you are saying but we are a niche (the ones who claims for non Gr3/4 cars) inside a niche (sport mode).
I can remember pretty well lot of magnificent combos like:

• Porsche 356 at LM
• MP4/4 at Interlagos
• LFA at WG
• Radicals at RA
• Classics 911 in the night of Le Mans
• Curated road cars at Nurburgring and Trial Mountain.

Just to name a few...

In those kind of races (with the exception of the road cars at Trial mountain maybe) you only have action the first two days of the week and then you see deserted lobbies with mixed players from al kind of skills (from A+ to C in the same race).

So, the numbers doesnt validate what you are asking for.
Im sure we are an echo chamber here.

Sadly, the vast majority of people at sport mode just want the rinse and repeat experience of GR3 and GR4 races and thats what PD gives us.

Edit: knowing that what it works of this kind of races is the novelity, perhaps they could think in a proper daily race wich randomizes car and track every day. That could be fun.

 

[Bondwhar]

Do you mean daily race A at Daytona?

The reason the bus stop is different is that it is part of the last sector before the start line. If you go out of track limits there the game considers it cheating in get advantage for the start line and so invalidates the entire next lap.

That happens on all tracks. An invalid last sector always invalidates the next lap.

Thanks for the info that does answer partly the question. I don’t think I have ever seen the timer go red and no time penalty in a Q lap. It’s as if it’s a time trial.
I’ll just have to preserver and accept it and go round and round and round 🤣

 

[NevilleNobody]

I’m with you here, I needed a good basic track to evoke with this eeek and Catalunya fits the bill, I’m just not sure what car I’ll race come the weekend, the 296 feels heavy here, the Porsche is underpowered against the Lamborghini at least so I think I’ll try the BM today, but it’s a track where certain cars are twitchy, Huracan, BM, 458.

But it’s a challenge at least

I'm struggling a bit, TBH not had the feels since the surgery, so not sure if it was that or the slight physics change but I just feel slow. Ran a 42.5 in the BRZ, sort of half hearted, tried the Huracan, 911 and my trusty Beetle and could not beat that time. Went back tot he BRZ and can't get within half a second of that time either........ so weird. Lots of competitive cars though, which is good.

 

[brockie]

I'm struggling a bit, TBH not had the feels since the surgery, so not sure if it was that or the slight physics change but I just feel slow. Ran a 42.5 in the BRZ, sort of half hearted, tried the Huracan, 911 and my trusty Beetle and could not beat that time. Went back tot he BRZ and can't get within half a second of that time either........ so weird. Lots of competitive cars though, which is good.

Mate, I’m feeling exactly the same, it must be physics or them tyres! 😁 I’m fastest in the 911 but in race the BM is holding a few of them off, the Audi and Huracan seem unbeatable in race.

I’m putting it down to Catalunya not quite being my style, either that or I’m getting too old 🤣

But I’m sticking with it for the week to see if any evolution throughout the week will change anything.

 

[benjoi84]

Thanks for the info that does answer partly the question. I don’t think I have ever seen the timer go red and no time penalty in a Q lap. It’s as if it’s a time trial.
I’ll just have to preserver and accept it and go round and round and round 🤣

I think you're right. Sport Mode didn't incorporate the red "void" timer from Time Trial Mode until recently (this is the first time i recall seeing it).

 

[NevilleNobody]

Mate, I’m feeling exactly the same, it must be physics or them tyres! 😁 I’m fastest in the 911 but in race the BM is holding a few of them off, the Audi and Huracan seem unbeatable in race.

I’m putting it down to Catalunya not quite being my style, either that or I’m getting too old 🤣

But I’m sticking with it for the week to see if any evolution throughout the week will change anything.

I'm struggling to square up the car and spinning the rear wheels too much as the steering wheel is not straight enough, as usual my issue is not enough mid corner speed, i see guys take cuts out of me mid corner, i skooch away on exit as i delay until i am very square so can lay on the throttle but I am losing gobs of time mid corner.

 

[brockie]

I'm struggling to square up the car and spinning the rear wheels too much as the steering wheel is not straight enough, as usual my issue is not enough mid corner speed, i see guys take cuts out of me mid corner, i skooch away on exit as i delay until i am very square so can lay on the throttle but I am losing gobs of time mid corner.

Yeah that’s defo the key mate, what I see in the data logger is that the real fast guys brake coming up to the corner and manage to already start accelerating through it, I can’t get that, it’s too many inputs at once 🤣

 

[NevilleNobody]

Yeah the logger suggests I am not braking too late, that's your gut reaction, braking too late and coming to too hard a stop. I am braking, generally, bang on the same points but I am not rotating mid corner fast enough to square up the car and start easing on the throttle unless I really drop my apex speed which eats time.