GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

A and B lobbies suffer from panic. So in theory you're best to take regular lines and brake points to be fast but that is seen as an invite to go up the inside so you brake later and later and take semi defensive lines to protect your position. This leads to bunching up and carnage.

There's exceptions to this with the right people, you can kinda feel when the guys around you are reasonable but most of the time it's very much short term thinking. I mention the slow left hander at Barcelona before, so there's th elooooooooooooong never ending right, another right then a sharp left, that sharp left is brutal for guys bombing in because the fastest way through it is a wide/square line but it is seen as an open door.

 

[Voodoovaj]

EDIT!!!!! Come on the team effort!!!!!!! In the 42’s!!!!

Remember +5 on the brakes

42.699 here and I can’t get out of DR C 😂😂😂

Given up today, it’s been an absolute bloodbath. Unless I can get away at the front then it’s just waiting for someone to use me as a brake or push me off if I’m overtaking. Is B any better as I’m working hard to get there like it will solve the problems 😂

Anything below DR A is a 💩 show. COINCIDENTALLY, I get accused of being dirty when there's B and C drivers in the room, but I'm prone to clean races when it's high A's, A+, and S...Is it me?

DR C and DR B have erratic behaviour, their brake points are all over the place, and they drive like it's single player. They don't look at radar, and like a new born baby, if they don't see you, then you don't exist. They don't understand that driving like 💩 removes time from you , and themselves. They simply want to be 1 place higher, without seeing the bigger picture.

IMHO, shoot for the ⬆️ DR in every race. Shoot for top 5. That's all, just top 5. Let the others take themselves out of the race. Be consistent with those top 5's and the DR will climb.

 

[newmedia_dev]

IMHO, shoot for the ⬆️ DR in every race. Shoot for top 5. That's all, just top 5. Let the others take themselves out of the race. Be consistent with those top 5's and the DR will climb.

This but with some caveats, top 8 is enough to gain DR even a lower finish can yield minor DR increases.

Rather than race for positions I approach it more about reading the room (lobby) and then corner to corner heightening my awareness a little more just to really see what’s happened ahead and where I am in time and space.

I typically make way way way less side by side contact or bumping people in braking zones or cutting across people in VR but also because I mentally plan where I am and what I can see.

Also defending places aggressively on most of the laps that isn’t the last one really sends the wrong signal especially if you are out of pace sequence (QT great but a warmed up guy dialled in who has fast race pace or someone on an alt account or even just frustrated petulant peeps put you in harms way when it’s not worth fighting every fight for the bigger picture)

 

[Famine]

Anything below DR A is a 💩 show. COINCIDENTALLY, I get accused of being dirty when there's B and C drivers in the room, but I'm prone to clean races when it's high A's, A+, and S...Is it me?

DR C and DR B have erratic behaviour, their brake points are all over the place, and they drive like it's single player. They don't look at radar, and like a new born baby, if they don't see you, then you don't exist. They don't understand that driving like 💩 removes time from you , and themselves. They simply want to be 1 place higher, without seeing the bigger picture.

🤔

 

[Voodoovaj]

Also defending places aggressively on most of the laps that isn’t the last one really sends the wrong signal especially if you are out of pace sequence (QT great but a warmed up guy dialled in who has fast race pace or someone on an alt account or even just frustrated petulant peeps put you in harms way when it’s not worth fighting every fight for the bigger picture)

OMG so much this.

In the rooms filled with B racers, they block every corner from start to finish. So often they start their block in the braking zone, under braking, and forcing the contact. Then, they take to the comments to voice their displeasure. 😒

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I stand by my assessment

 

[benjoi84]

Had a couple of great afternoon races at Daytona today after a busy start to the kept me away from racing.

Qualifying decently between 4th and 7th in mixed A/B lobbies, I buddied up with a fast UK no-quali driver after we enjoyed a fun race. In the consequent races, he kept popping up from the rear and aided very much in my quest to guard against the bombers by occupying the inside without intending to take the position, giving them something to think about instead of the gap next to my car.

It's quite easy to see how you can put these quick-but-lower DR drivers off their game, especially in a vehicle with such nuance in handling.

One nasty but totally irrelevant incident when some desperate type overtook on the final lap upon entry to the bus stop only to then block the draft pass to take the most important 3rd place ever conceived.

Apart from that, 10/10 racing. Hope it lasts the week!

 

[Famine]

I stand by my assessment

A very sweeping one.

I don't do any of that stuff, I'm just B because I'm slow and because I'd rather make corners and allow other people room than crash - which often harms my finishing position - in mindless pursuit of a "better" letter on the screen.

Yet according to you I'm an erratic, oblivious newborn. You've never shared a track with me, and as far as I know I've never had any particular complaints from anyone who actually has (excluding the ones who have shared a track with a pretend-me)

I "suggest" you reassess your blanket statements on other people which are - like those based on national flags - at best subject to extreme confirmation bias.

My own experience of many years at B is that about one driver in eight (or two per 16-car lobby) is a tosser, while most are largely respectful. Often the biggest tosser is the guy who has to be at the front and I later see is A-ranked in GTWS standings because they're seal-clubbing and have no respect for lower-rated drivers...

 

[newmedia_dev]

My experience of many years at B is that about one driver in eight (or two per 16-car lobby) is a tosser, while most are largely respectful. Often the biggest tosser is the guy who has to be at the front and I later see is A-ranked in GTWS standings because they're seal-clubbing and have no respect for lower-rated drivers...

As a B driver for many years myself I’d mostly agree, especially when the margins get thin like Gr4 at the moment the mistakes feel worse.

Typically most have “good car control” and “ok spatial awareness”

It’s just a lot clumsy to be candid.

Also the ability/learning/trying spread is the widest in B not by numbers but density of performance extremes which honestly doesn’t help.

I won’t go in to the social factors like emulating streamers wins or times etc but it’s a factor, also layer on cultural nuance as well and it’s a much more complex place to be. At least I know in A the guy is being a dk on purpose in B you never know if they were day dreaming at that point

 

[NevilleNobody]

To me B varies depending where you are on the grid, the faster guys are pretty good, many fringe A players there in the top 3 to 5 of most races. But fall into the pack and it's like The Walking Dead where you just get consumed by the mob.

 

[benjoi84]

You guys hit the nail on the head, it's so complex... Let's not forget the drivers who are desperate to cling to an A ranking, or to avoid dropping to the one below. Not to mention weekend warriors and school children.

You can't read one jot into that big letter. Neither one, actually. I wish people would just race and leave their emotions at the door.

 

[newmedia_dev]

You guys hit the nail on the head, it's so complex... Let's not forget the drivers who are desperate to cling to an A ranking, or to avoid dropping to the one below. Not to mention weekend warriors and school children.

You can't read one jot into that big letter. Neither one, actually. I wish people would just race and leave their emotions at the door.

But here is the thing about racing is it ties to identity, and although it shouldn’t it does.

Pace is separate from racecraft and ability and the letters mean nothing in race as accidents happen, they do skew things a little as they are signals of raw pace and with that comes a signal of control not racecraft.

But it’s about decisions more than speed, A guy behind catches you on laps 2 from 3 places back, let him go or be cynically moved out of the way. Not cool but the reality in sprint racing but also pause for thought “I’m a slower driver, I can’t win this race and this guy could, politely move out of the way or defend?” And whatever anyone answers will tell you a lot.

It’s always going to be competitive but it doesn’t have to be combative.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I "suggest" you reassess your blanket statements on other people which are - like those based on national flags - at best subject to extreme confirmation bias.

I said

DR C and DR B have erratic behaviour, their brake points are all over the place, and they drive like it's single player. They don't look at radar, and like a new born baby, if they don't see you, then you don't exist. They don't understand that driving like 💩 removes time from you , and themselves. They simply want to be 1 place higher, without seeing the bigger picture.

@newmedia_dev said

It’s just a lot clumsy to be candid.

Also the ability/learning/trying spread is the widest in B not by numbers but density of performance extremes which honestly doesn’t help.

That all looks like the same thing to me. There's no accusation of social issues or any statement that they are intentionally trying to be evil people.

You guys are in the UK, so maybe it's less chaotic there. Over here, it's a minefield. The flag is irrelevant.

IRL, they don't mix skill levels at a track day for this very reason. Lines are all over, braking points are all over, there would be a massive accident every session.

 

[mikehZ4]

I am having an issue with the daily races. It started last Nov. I can set a time but when the race starts I am the only one moving.
I know others are racing and when the race ends it gives me a finishing position. I have done all the hardware troubleshooting, that Sony suggested. After the update in Dec, it worked correctly for a week. Then when the new daily races came out the issue returned. I can't even find a way to contact Polyphony support to see if they have a fix.

The rest of the game works ok, no issues.

 

[NevilleNobody]

But it’s about decisions more than speed, A guy behind catches you on laps 2 from 3 places back, let him go or be cynically moved out of the way.

I'm not waving anyone by, even if they are catching me at 2 seconds a lap. However I will just hold the racing line (maybe with a wider than normal apex to leave a touch more space) and won't bother defending the inside unless it's the last lap in this situation.

 

[Famine]

That all looks like the same thing to me.

It would, but your statement is blanket and absolute - and, as a consequence, wrong - while the other is not.

I'm DR B. I'm the exact opposite of what you outright state I am: I don't drive erratically, my brake points are consistent, I don't drive like it's single player, I do look at radar, I do understand that driving like 💩 costs both of us time, and I don't want to simply be one place higher regardless of the bigger picture.

Either you're wrong in your absolute statement, or I'm lying. Again (and I don't appreciate agains on "suggest"s) I "suggest" you rethink it.


DR B contains quite a spread of abilities, from people just quicker than novices to people just slower than GT1 League - right at the top, there's people within 1.5% of A+ GTWS finalists - as well as ratings chasers who shouldn't be there but like to seal-club for wins.

There are people who can be clumsy, or unaware, or dirty, or cynical, but it is not all of them, and most of the time it's not even most of them.

Or rather us.

I am having an issue with the daily races. It started last Nov. I can set a time but when the race starts I am the only one moving.
I know others are racing and when the race ends it gives me a finishing position. I have done all the hardware troubleshooting, that Sony suggested. After the update in Dec, it worked correctly for a week. Then when the new daily races came out the issue returned. I can't even find a way to contact Polyphony support to see if they have a fix.

The rest of the game works ok, no issues.

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[newmedia_dev]

I'm not waving anyone by, even if they are catching me at 2 seconds a lap. However I will just hold the racing line (maybe with a wider than normal apex to leave a touch more space) and won't bother defending the inside unless it's the last lap in this situation.

That’s your prerogative but I’d question both how good it is for your racing experience and also total race time.

You gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em and not every hand is a winner.

As friend to a virtual friend, racing attitude is half the pace input mechanics is just executing the lines.

Edit:

I was trying to respond to a slightly different thing and miss understood what you were saying.

We are probably saying the same thing but different lenses and lobby experiences.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Yeah exactly, I'm not going to lift , you earn your pass and I keep my race pace e up as I'm on my preferred line but I won't defend at all, nobonside line etc. Seems to work, faster guys just take the inside and make a clean pass.

 

[Voodoovaj]

It would, but your statement is blanket and absolute - and, as a consequence, wrong - while the other is not.

I'm DR B. I'm the exact opposite of what you outright state I am: I don't drive erratically, my brake points are consistent, I don't drive like it's single player, I do look at radar, I do understand that driving like 💩 costs both of us time, and I don't want to simply be one place higher regardless of the bigger picture.

Either you're wrong in your absolute statement, or I'm lying. Again (and I don't appreciate agains on "suggest"s) I "suggest" you rethink it.

Maybe we disagree on the meaning of erratic or consistent.

I'll give you an analogy. Let's say there are only 2 people in group DR B. You, and someone who we can agree to describe as the exact opposite of you. You, as a person, are as you describe "I don't drive erratically, my brake points are consistent, I don't drive like it's single player, I do look at radar, I do understand that driving like 💩 costs both of us time, and I don't want to simply be one place higher regardless of the bigger picture.". Our second driver is absolutely none of those things.

Since the two of you are inconsistent to each other, as a group, the group is inconsistent. Your behaviour, as a group, is erratic, because I don't know what to expect.

If every single person in group B were to drive in the same manner as you, or if they were to drive in the absolute opposite manner to you, then as a group there would be consistency. The group would be slower but predictable, or absolutely predictably awful.

There are people who can be clumsy, or unaware, or dirty, or cynical, but it is not all of them, and most of the time it's not even most of them.

Ergo, as a group, they are erratic.

DR B contains quite a spread of abilities, from people just quicker than novices to people just slower than GT1 League - right at the top, there's people within 1.5% of A+ GTWS finalists - as well as ratings chasers who shouldn't be there but like to seal-club for wins.

Ergo, as a group, they are inconsistent.


So, you're not lying about yourself (I assume) nor did I make an absolute statement. I never said that every single person in DR B or DR C is horrible. I said the group is erratic.

If you prefer that I say DR B and DR C are absolutely not erratic, then ok. Is that a true statement?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Maybe we disagree on the meaning of erratic or consistent.

I'll give you an analogy. Let's say there are only 2 people in group DR B. You, and someone who we can agree to describe as the exact opposite of you. You, as a person, are as you describe "I don't drive erratically, my brake points are consistent, I don't drive like it's single player, I do look at radar, I do understand that driving like 💩 costs both of us time, and I don't want to simply be one place higher regardless of the bigger picture.". Our second driver is absolutely none of those things.

Since the two of you are inconsistent to each other, as a group, the group is inconsistent. Your behaviour, as a group, is erratic, because I don't know what to expect.

If every single person in group B were to drive in the same manner as you, or if they were to drive in the absolute opposite manner to you, then as a group there would be consistency. The group would be slower but predictable, or absolutely predictably awful.


Ergo, as a group, they are erratic.


Ergo, as a group, they are inconsistent.


So, you're not lying about yourself (I assume) nor did I make an absolute statement. I never said that every single person in DR B or DR C is horrible. I said the group is erratic.

If you prefer that I say DR B and DR C are absolutely not erratic, then ok. Is that a true statement?

Or let’s postulate another thing…

3 weeks ago I was DR B…..I’m now mid A again.

The letters mean sweet fa

The only 2 things you have are your own ability in the moments and watching everyone’s else’s around you.

B lobbies are not problem lobbies, they are but they are easily solved with QT and consistency. A lobbies are not Dirty, just the expectation shifts to control with pace or compliance, the compliance bit a lot of people struggle with.

D/C lobbies are what they are suppose to be which is sandboxes to learn and that’s fine, sucks to be in them but that’s the price to improve.

D/C lobbies : gain better control (racecraft do not worry about)

C/B I need to be a bit faster and show a bit more consistency

B/A I can do a time can I do the race near that pace and also am I starting to be aware of the whole race not just me

A/A the expectation really shifts to the expectation is you are fast and consistent how do I keep up or find a small weakness or mistake

 

[TheNormsk]

Turns out a got a bit busy to race (perhaps on Friday) but I found just enough time to troll @newmedia_dev. Sorry Glen 🤣

 

[bone_tone]

Turns out a got a bit busy to race (perhaps on Friday) but I found just enough time to troll @newmedia_dev. Sorry Glen 🤣

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Wow! I think that's about 8 seconds faster than I've managed to do.....

Had another try yesterday, and knocked about 0.05 seconds off my QT 😂

 

[Famine]

Three chances to dig up, and instead they always dig in...

Maybe we disagree on the meaning of erratic or consistent.

Fun wriggle, but the rational outcome of that is all DRs are erratic and inconsistent, because no driver from any DR group even at GTWS level is 100% predictable or consistent, rendering your entire... "point" moot.

No, what we appear to disagree on is the "anything" which preceded your tarring of every DR B (and lower) driver with a single set of negative characteristics:

Anything below DR A is a 💩 show.

I've had some pretty frustrating races with some pretty bad drivers in several years at DR B - in Sport and 7, and I have driven on accounts in both regions (but do so rarely as I dislike region-hopping) - but I do not recognise this blanketing of all DR B as erratic braking, oblivious newborns desperate to gain one place anywhere and everywhere regardless of longer-term consequences.

Some, sure. All, no. And the consistently worst I've seen have tended to move up to DR A or are already at DR A regularly and drop to B to farm wins for their stats.

I have spent quite a while at DR A too. I think I dropped down late-Sport because the Gr.4 Mazda Atenza was mince. It wasn't any better, behaviourally, in those lobbies.

 

[SpacedInvader]

B lobbies are absolutely fine 90% of the time (especially if they're all B, and even moreso if they're all BS).
At quieter times you can get unlucky with the odd troublemaker who'll keep appearing race after race, but it's rare. Also, again at quieter times, lobbies can be half-B, half-A, even a couple of A+ thrown in, and I seldom notice much difference in behaviour (or even speed tbh, my pet theory is that many A drivers are B drivers with wheels, more consistent but not necessarily much faster, if at all, and I'd love to see PD's data on pad vs wheel (and VR) usage across the levels...)
The real muppets can be those A or high B drivers who don't set a QT, start at the back and think they can plough through. Most don't have half as much skill as they think they have, and I have to wonder why they feel the need to do it at all anyway, issues with self esteem, perhaps.

 

[TheNormsk]

Wow! I think that's about 8 seconds faster than I've managed to do.....

Counter steer strong is key.

 

[brockie]

Managed to get my Catalunya QT down to 1.42.030!!! Not quite a 41 but it’s there for me I think and also starting races in the top 4 which is at least putting me within a chance of a win, let’s see what the weekend brings, this week the race pace has been leaders hit mid 42s in race which is beyond me but I might have a lucky lobby here or there.

Could be down to my new CSL wheel, it’s really nice and chunky but buttons need some work doing,

I do love doing one sole track all week, the evolution is incredible, I could never hit those times on a Monday or Tuesday like the fast boys in my lists

 

[NevilleNobody]

Could be down to my new CSL wheel, it’s really nice and chunky but buttons need some work doing,

Is that the P1/V2 or whatever it is called wheel? That's what I went with when I got my DD Pro, it was super cheap BNIB on second hand market and it's a decent quality wheel. Biggest win is the larger rim, the standard off the shelf rims at 28cm are too small imho. The buttons are not great though, I re-badged them but it's still a bit of a sloppy interface compared to the dedicated GT7 wheels.

 

[bone_tone]

Counter steer strong is key.

Yep, got that on!

That's how I got my extra 0.05 seconds 😂

 

[bliprunner]

The real muppets can be those A or high B drivers who don't set a QT, start at the back and think they can plough through. Most don't have half as much skill as they think they have, and I have to wonder why they feel the need to do it at all anyway, issues with self esteem, perhaps.

Yesterday I was doing some race A's and Digit appeared at the back with no quali time. We were pretty rapid at the front so I thought "good luck", but I kept checking the timings to see if he was coming through.

Watching the replay after he was definitely coming through, until a Ukranian decided to take out the cheeky "last to first" streamer. They braked on the straight to let Digit past, then nailed him at turn one.

I'm not sure if he's posted that one to his channel...

 

[SpacedInvader]

Yesterday I was doing some race A's and Digit appeared at the back with no quali time. We were pretty rapid at the front so I thought "good luck", but I kept checking the timings to see if he was coming through.

Watching the replay after he was definitely coming through, until a Ukranian decided to take out the cheeky "last to first" streamer. They braked on the straight to let Digit past, then nailed him at turn one.

I'm not sure if he's posted that one to his channel...

Lol. I wouldn't condone what the Ukrainian did, of course, but it's not surprising some seals bare their teeth and take a bite when they're effectively being goaded. If everyone drove at his true level this kinda thing wouldn't happen.

 

[Famine]

If everyone drove at his true level this kinda thing wouldn't happen.

I'm pretty sure @bliprunner is also A+, so it would likely have been a regular GT1-level lobby rather than something lower and a grubbier last-to-first bit of clubbing.