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Just got beat by a no-stopping Supra in race C - no clue how they managed that (at low B level of talent). I was doing my best tortoise impression in 3rd with a couple of them ahead. Slow and steady waiting for them to pit or have their tyres explode but only the one in 2nd started to struggle. Got past them despite some rather obvious and crude pit attempts (good luck against the French tank I use) but P1 stayed a few seconds out of reach.

I just can’t find the pace in that car or the Jaaaaag - about 0.5 secs behind my Citroen time.
 
I finally managed to break through into the 1:56's at Race B: 1:56.701. Then I ran a race, and here's where it put me:

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Finally! A decent starting position. Haven't seen that in a while.

I finished P4 because I wasn't good enough to keep P2, so obviously I still need to learn the actual race. People really beat me around T2, so I've saved a replay and I'll be studying it.

I was trying Q with the BRZ, and if you haven't tried it, you really should. It holds the track great. But the gearing messed with me, so I went back to the RX-Vision. During Q I ran it with TCS at 1, but during the race I put it at 2 because I know when the adrenaline hits, my foot turns lead, so I need the help. As it is, I still almost lost it once.

Anyway, I'm going to relax for a few hours in the knowledge that I no longer have to panic over my Q time. At least, not today. Er, not this morning. You know what? Never mind. :lol: :scared:
 
It's just damper tuning it'll be a couple tenths per lap at max, and it'll all be down to if you can get 100% out of the car every lap anyway.

I use default settings and am competitive in top split. It's not worth worrying about.
Ah thanks, I thought it was more involved than that browsing this thread, I might jump in before the WS race then.
 
I finally managed to break through into the 1:56's at Race B: 1:56.701. Then I ran a race, and here's where it put me:

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Finally! A decent starting position. Haven't seen that in a while.

I finished P4 because I wasn't good enough to keep P2, so obviously I still need to learn the actual race. People really beat me around T2, so I've saved a replay and I'll be studying it.

I was trying Q with the BRZ, and if you haven't tried it, you really should. It holds the track great. But the gearing messed with me, so I went back to the RX-Vision. During Q I ran it with TCS at 1, but during the race I put it at 2 because I know when the adrenaline hits, my foot turns lead, so I need the help. As it is, I still almost lost it once.

Anyway, I'm going to relax for a few hours in the knowledge that I no longer have to panic over my Q time. At least, not today. Er, not this morning. You know what? Never mind. :lol: :scared:
You have to be clinical in the BRZ gear change wise to really get the most from it, while also taking the right apexes, braking points and exit throttle with the weird double shift thing.

My driving style tries to avoid all the panic so I'm persevering with the car that seems to work for me.

The friend I compete with each week is a VR user and smashed my time and was disappointed but he used the BRZ so what the hell do I know 😝
 
I finally managed to break through into the 1:56's at Race B: 1:56.701. Then I ran a race, and here's where it put me:

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Finally! A decent starting position. Haven't seen that in a while.

I was trying Q with the BRZ, and if you haven't tried it, you really should.
You have to be clinical in the BRZ gear change wise to really get the most from it, while also taking the right apexes, braking points and exit throttle with the weird double shift thing.
Only one person was using the BRZ in the two races I had and each time they came in behind me. And if I am doing bad, then what is that person doing... There were times when they would get ahead of me and other times they would bin it. Either that is a comment about the player or perhaps the car is just difficult to drive in race which is why people avoid it..
 
You just have to stiffen the rear and soften the front. Simply coming to the forum can save you time.

Also, a change of car will get you below 1:58. No offense, but the fastest guys are in the 1:53 - 1:54 range. They aren't gaining 5 seconds because of damper settings.

I'm sitting on a Q time of 1:55.88 with the NSX. Try my setup. Compression 20/40 (F/R) and extension 35/40 (F/R). I also run -1 brake balance.
The fastest guys are gaining 5 seconds because if talent. I am DR C...
Anyway, thanks for the tips but I pass.
I'll use the time to prepare for Manu and the lobby endurance I am running this weekend on Nords.
 
I'm looking back on what I typed below, and I think it might come off as condescending, or that I think I know it all. But hopefully by now you know that's not me!
The fastest guys are gaining 5 seconds because if talent. I am DR C...
True enough, except that it's more than "just" talent. It's also knowing the correct lines. And that's something that I can do better at, as a mid-level DR B, and it's certainly something you can do better at also. I know you know this - just a reminder. Talent is a combination of physical gifts, and knowledge.

And the main reason I mention it is that one of the reasons I just improved my Q time was because there were two spots on the track that I thought I was taking the fastest (for me) line, but when I I was following someone else's ghost, I discovered that even though they looked like they'd be the fastest lines, they weren't. So my time improved partly just because I took different lines - my "talent" didn't change at all.

Anyway, what the hell do I know? Remember Sgt. Schultz? That's me. "I know nothing!" :lol:

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while flashing their high beams at me.
I hate it when people flash their high beams!!! I suppose if they knew how much it bothered be, they'd do it all the time. :banghead:
 
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Race B gets weird sometimes.

I keep dealing with people who try to pin me to the far inside of the track during wide entry turns. Then they turn in early, bounce off of me, and lose a position for taking such a weird angle while flashing their high beams at me.
If I know that someone is going to pass me by an upcoming turn, I'll definitely try to get them going on the inside. It gives me a chance to do the ol' switcheroo and get back ahead on the exit.
 
Race B gets weird sometimes.

I keep dealing with people who try to pin me to the far inside of the track during wide entry turns. Then they turn in early, bounce off of me, and lose a position for taking such a weird angle while flashing their high beams at me.
Use that, let them take the wide line, the way to block that move is to park it on the apex.

The switcheroo only works if they can get the late apex.

Use the tight line to take all the fast exits.

This is what a block pass or defence is. Use the inside line to put your car in all the slow places.

It hurts you both total race time though, so it's one to weigh up. It's typically a tactic you use late in a race, if you use it early in a race, one it wises them up, it also hurts everyone's pace in the situation.

Sometimes it's better to lose a position and stay with the pack and pick off the freebies rather than defend to early.

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If someone is pinning you to the inside without contact, they are probably quicker so definitely weigh up the race time vs positions
 
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It’s a horrid feeling at Brands when you have a 4C stalking you for lap after lap. Cooked the tyres trying to shake them, they were always going to have more grip at the end. Passed me for the win on lap 10 with my front left completely gone.

The week has gone so well I’m approaching dangerous territory with my DR. As soon as I race anywhere else I’ll be DFL, seconds off the pace. Being a specialist at one circuit has its drawbacks.
 
Race A.
A fast car with no brakes, on a track with lots of fast straights and heavy braking into slow chicanes. With this in mind, when someone slipstreams past you on the straight, do they then pull over right in front of you and onto the racing line a split second before braking, leading to an inevitable and almost unavoidable collision. They had the pass done, and all they have to do is hold the inside line and the pass was done - but instead they are in the kitty litter.
I have seen this happen to me 3 times in 2 races - I am an SR S driver and of course I am not perfect, but it's a series of bizarre incidents that I am struggling to comprehend.
 
I find that works so well at turn 2 on Lago Maggiore, it really backs them up, especially I find when I'm in an MR car and they're in a FR car and have a bit of power oversteer trying to gun it out of T2.
Funny enough I use the 650 and it's the one corner if they are keeping up in the quick stuff move I use. And it's actually the faster line if you can keep it right while accelerating
 
I finally managed to break through into the 1:56's at Race B: 1:56.701. Then I ran a race, and here's where it put me:

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Finally! A decent starting position. Haven't seen that in a while.

Excellent!! See, you can do it!!
I finished P4 because I wasn't good enough to keep P2, so obviously I still need to learn the actual race. People really beat me around T2, so I've saved a replay and I'll be studying it.
I really try and hug the curb and exit tight. I find it works best for me.
 
What a dumpster fire of races tonight. I did get my time down to a 1:57:0XX and that was cool.

Race 1 has me in P7 and @GrumpyOldMan is in my lobby. I send a driver to the deepest darkest part of the shadow realm as I get into the back of them before the Big Banky Boy on lap 1. No idea what happened but my guess is I went in too hot. I let them pass on the final lap and finish P15.

Race 2 has me in P2 and there was tons of lag all race. At one point a car ghosted in front of me so I take avoiding actions, just to have them be teleported 2 seconds ahead of me. Then my TV went blank for a second and I crash in the final corner mid race. A complete mess. On top of that it turned into bumper cars and was not fun. I salvage a P8 in the end.

Race 3 has me in P9 and more bumper cars and a bunch of drivers decided to stick thier nose in and make passes that way. I get destroyed in the Big Banky Boy when I try and make a move. Another P15 finish. Just ugh...

And that's it for this week. Not fan of that garbage racing and I want no part in that. Good luck out there if your lobbies were as chaotic as mine.
 
I finally managed to break through into the 1:56's at Race B: 1:56.701.
Well done on the time. I had a go again and I finally broke the 1:57 barrier with a 1:56.892 with the Genesis X. That Genesis though is a touch twitchy and there is no way I could race it. It is first lap, best time, next lap, crash out, reset, repeat. :banghead:

I then started trying some other cars. I originally was liking the M6 so I went back to that. I put the tune I had on the Genesis (yes it made a difference - perhaps not to ultimate speed but to drivability) and the M6 is just a joy to drive. So stable and point-able. I can pretty much put it wherever I want which is not the case for most cars. However, I'm still struggling with the lap time and I'm about .2 off from the Genesis, but if it means I can make it around 5 laps consistently in the low 1:57s then it'll be worth it.

Then I realized that I'm using the Endurance model, not the Sprint. I never considered before that there may be a difference between the cars, but perhaps there is to gearing and set up. I'm not sure how the BoP affects the Endurance version versus the Sprint for the M6. However I see the top times set by these are with the Sprint version so I swap.

Hmm, suddenly the car drives more like the Genesis. It's more twitchy and more app for power oversteer than the Endurance version. I suspect there is definitely a difference here and it will take more work to tame. Still, I'm able to put in low 1:57 laps with no aids except ABS default.

I feel that this is the car I should be learning now. I know it has the pace (it was the car that won the two races I was in - of course driver is a major factor here - but still..) I just have to figure out how to extract it.
 
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Can someone explain why my DR is increasing after exclusively participating in Daily Race A? I've completed 15 or so races, all of them in which DR/SR would not be updated. Yet today I went from E/B to D/A. I'm not complaining I'm just wondering if its a bug?
 
Can someone explain why my DR is increasing after exclusively participating in Daily Race A? I've completed 15 or so races, all of them in which DR/SR would not be updated. Yet today I went from E/B to D/A. I'm not complaining I'm just wondering if its a bug?
Your DR is only at E for your first five races. After that you will move into DR D.
 
Your DR is only at E for your first five races. After that you will move into DR D.

I don’t believe the E actually gives you any points. You just have to complete five races and then you progress to D. And D is where the points start to count.

Once at D, you can never fall back to E.
 
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So, usually I shun race B. However, I love the 911, and am familiar with it, and with tuning entering the equation it made sense to hang out a little. Besides, this track is both a lot fun, and a great place to evaluate changes to the car.

To the point; does it make sense to stiffen the front by 10%, and soften the rear by 5%. Are these reasonable increments? Too big a swing, too little? The car felt pretty good carrying through the corner, perhaps even a little stickier. Times improved too, but I'm still learning the track.. So a little from column A, and a little from column B there. I'm just wondering if I'm in the ballpark, as we are deep in the land of poke and hope.
Thanks.
 
I'm looking back on what I typed below, and I think it might come off as condescending, or that I think I know it all. But hopefully by now you know that's not me!

True enough, except that it's more than "just" talent. It's also knowing the correct lines. And that's something that I can do better at, as a mid-level DR B, and it's certainly something you can do better at also. I know you know this - just a reminder. Talent is a combination of physical gifts, and knowledge.

And the main reason I mention it is that one of the reasons I just improved my Q time was because there were two spots on the track that I thought I was taking the fastest (for me) line, but when I I was following someone else's ghost, I discovered that even though they looked like they'd be the fastest lines, they weren't. So my time improved partly just because I took different lines - my "talent" didn't change at all.

Anyway, what the hell do I know? Remember Sgt. Schultz? That's me. "I know nothing!" :lol:

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I hate it when people flash their high beams!!! I suppose if they knew how much it bothered be, they'd do it all the time. :banghead:
I am sure I could improve in my time. It's not that, I used to be mid B.
It's the fact that it's totally pointless to spend hours on getting better at something that doesn't attract me what so ever.
It's a feeling of meh......
 
Well I am back in DR B. That didn't take long. Only 3.1 races. Why the .1? Well that is because one race only lasted 1/2 lap....

I finally found some get up an go at LM and got my QT to 1:56.602 with an optimal in the 1:56.4s. This is with the M6 Sprint '16. I found a subtle damper change eked out the best in this car (at least for my driving abilities). Basically I aim to balance the dampers to the weight balance of the car with stiffer damping where the car is heaver and softer where lighter (The theory being that were there is less mass over the springs I want less damping so the suspension can move while not jarring the body so much). I then usually stiffen the rear over the fronts once the initial balance is done. The M6 is 52:48 so it is fairly balanced but stock is 25/40 front and 30/35 rear for compression and expansion respectively. That is opposite to my balance approach so I tuned 28/40 front and 32/41 rear. The gap between compression and expansion is usually in the range or 10-15 but I will narrow it depending on the feel at the time. In this case it is 12 and 9.

This was the result of hours of laps trying to find the cars that work for me and those that allow me to tune for turning and balance. My tuning is subtle and I actually found that a value change of just 1 can sometime drastically affect braking and turn in performance. If the front end is bouncing around too much (which affects braking and turn-in) I can actually feel it through the feedback setting I have my GT DD Pro wheel tuned to. Why am I giving you this, well after hours of trying to find my groove on this track and trying to get better I'm not going to have any time to race for the rest of the week so if it helps you go for it.

The for assists, in QT I leave TCS at 0 but after @Gearbanger 's comment about counter steer I switched that onto strong and that helped a lot with the M6. In race I used TCS 1.

Now to the race, the first of the night I bumped it @Gearbanger (aka Deputy_fishtail). I was looking forward to the race but alas I did but 1/2 lap.



Considering I was on the inside, I don't know what the car behind was doing? Alas this is my only view as being disqualified there was no race replay to save.

Unfortunately that crash must have jolted my wheel as my wheel axle decided at that moment to disconnect from the base losing all wheel control. I could not continue and I was disqualified for a maximum point loss. My wheel is a Fanatec GT DD Pro and these have a history of axle drift. This is something like the fifth time it has done this now. The wheel is great when it works but it is an unreliable piece of #&%# as well. The way the axle is held in place and communicates via a USBc plug internally that disconnects if the axle moves just 1/2mm is a terrible design.

I fix the axle (I'm used to this now :irked:) and get ready for the next race. On warm up the car appears to be sliding everywhere and the braking is like on ice. I can't drive like this so I exit before the lobby pops up. I discovered that in my wheel disconnect it reset my brake force back to a default 50 where as I brake with it at a setting of 30. So I was only putting in 60% of my expected braking causing the car to slide out. Once that was corrected I entered the next race.

That race I start in Q11 and by lap 2 I am up to 7th. Through lap 2 I remain in 7th and I am feeling comfortable. Then on turn 1, a driver, let's call them "Mr Green Flag" (who was P3 originally but went off at the banked turn 11 and who was P2 in the video above) dives down the inside from two cars back and slams into my side punting me into the wall. That drops me to 13th from 7th. Mr Green Flag does get a 5 second penalty, little good it does me now my race is ruined.

But wait there is more! I passed the punter at the penalty spot so he has the chance for a second go at me. Lap 4 I was up to 12th but some traffic caused me to drop to 13th with the punter moving up from 15th to 14th right behind me. Last turn he get on the inside of me as I turn in and we side swipe each other with me sliding into the grass. I drop to 15th. Now you could argue that one was on me for failing to defend but I figured I was on the limit of the corner anyway so I didn't expect someone to try the inside there. On the last lap someone else crashed out last turn to allow me to finish 14th. Still that was enough to wipe out my DR A rating, putting me back to B. 1.1 races was all it took tonight.

This Mr Green Flag person is a fast driver (QT'd in the low 1:55s) but he is a reckless driver as well. How he has a SR S rating I don't know. I feel like telling him to go **** himself next time I see him (Hmm, what is that in Portuguese?)
 
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Unfortunately that crash must have jolted my wheel as my wheel axle decided at that moment to disconnect from the base losing all wheel control. I could not continue and I was disqualified for a maximum point loss. My wheel is a Fanatec GT DD Pro and these have a history of axle drift. This is something like the fifth time it has done this now. The wheel is great when it works but it is an unreliable piece of #&%# as well. The way the axle is held in place and communicates via a USBc plug internally that disconnects if the axle moves just 1/2mm is a terrible design.
Hey, you can't use the excuse of the DD Pro coming loose as an excuse for a quick drop from A back to B. I used that excuse a couple of weeks ago, you need to come up with something original.

It is a right pain though, think I'm on my 5th attempt at fixing it and it's holding up so far. It's probably waiting for the last few laps of my first GT1 World Series race on Saturday to let go again. I've learnt to have plan B ready, switch back to the controller mid race so I can still bring it home, hopefully avoiding being totally last.
 
Well I am back in DR B. That didn't take long. Only 3.1 races. Why the .1? Well that is because one race only lasted 1/2 lap....

I finally found some get up an go at LM and got my QT to 1:56.602 with an optimal in the 1:56.4s. This is with the M6 Sprint '16. I found a subtle damper change eked out the best in this car (at least for my driving abilities). Basically I aim to balance the dampers to the weight balance of the car with stiffer damping where the car is heaver and softer where lighter (The theory being that were there is less mass over the springs I want less damping so the suspension can move while not jarring the body so much). I then usually stiffen the rear over the fronts once the initial balance is done. The M6 is 52:48 so it is fairly balanced but stock is 25/40 front and 30/35 rear for compression and expansion respectively. That is opposite to my balance approach so I tuned 28/40 front and 32/41 rear. The gap between compression and expansion is usually in the range or 10-15 but I will narrow it depending on the feel at the time. In this case it is 12 and 9.

This was the result of hours of laps trying to find the cars that work for me and those that allow me to tune for turning and balance. My tuning is subtle and I actually found that a value change of just 1 can sometime drastically affect braking and turn in performance. If the front end is bouncing around too much (which affects braking and turn-in) I can actually feel it through the feedback setting I have my GT DD Pro wheel tuned to. Why am I giving you this, well after hours of trying to find my groove on this track and trying to get better I'm not going to have any time to race for the rest of the week so if it helps you go for it.

The for assists, in QT I leave TCS at 0 but after @Gearbanger 's comment about counter steer I switched that onto strong and that helped a lot with the M6. In race I used TCS 1.

Now to the race, the first of the night I bumped it @Gearbanger (aka Deputy_fishtail). I was looking forward to the race but alas I did but 1/2 lap.



Considering I was on the inside, I don't know what the car behind was doing? Alas this is my only view as being disqualified there was no race replay to save.

Unfortunately that crash must have jolted my wheel as my wheel axle decided at that moment to disconnect from the base losing all wheel control. I could not continue and I was disqualified for a maximum point loss. My wheel is a Fanatec GT DD Pro and these have a history of axle drift. This is something like the fifth time it has done this now. The wheel is great when it works but it is an unreliable piece of #&%# as well. The way the axle is held in place and communicates via a USBc plug internally that disconnects if the axle moves just 1/2mm is a terrible design.

I fix the axle (I'm used to this now :irked:) and get ready for the next race. On warm up the car appears to be sliding everywhere and the braking is like on ice. I can't drive like this so I exit before the lobby pops up. I discovered that in my wheel disconnect it reset my brake force back to a default 50 where as I brake with it at a setting of 30. So I was only putting in 60% of my expected braking causing the car to slide out. Once that was corrected I entered the next race.

That race I start in Q11 and by lap 2 I am up to 7th. Through lap 2 I remain in 7th and I am feeling comfortable. Then on turn 1, a driver, let's call them "Mr Green Flag" (who was P3 originally but went off at the banked turn 11 and who was P2 in the video above) dives down the inside from two cars back and slams into my side punting me into the wall. That drops me to 13th from 7th. Mr Green Flag does get a 5 second penalty, little good it does me now my race is ruined.

But wait there is more! I passed the punter at the penalty spot so he has the chance for a second go at me. Lap 4 I was up to 12th but some traffic caused me to drop to 13th with the punter moving up from 15th to 14th right behind me. Last turn he get on the inside of me as I turn in and we side swipe each other with me sliding into the grass. I drop to 15th. Now you could argue that one was on me for failing to defend but I figured I was on the limit of the corner anyway so I didn't expect someone to try the inside there. On the last lap someone else crashed out last turn to allow me to finish 14th. Still that was enough to wipe out my DR A rating, putting me back to B. 1.1 races was all it took tonight.

This Mr Green Flag person is a fast driver (QT'd in the low 1:55s) but he is a reckless driver as well. How he has a SR S rating I don't know. I feel like telling him to go **** himself next time I see him (Hmm, what is that in Portuguese?)


Was good to see you in the race and I had no idea what happened until watching the replay. Bummer on your wheel issue.

This is your offender and he just tried pushing through on the curb when you slowed due to the chaos ahead.

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Watching the replay I didn’t understand why you quit but it makes sense now because you were driving back and forth but not steering back on to the track. 😬
My RS T300 has been solid for my ability and I don’t see changes in wheel coming anytime soon 😉 Hopefully you find a permanent fix!

I also figured out why that car pulled to the side as we started and it was because he had IM’s on instead of RM’s and didn’t want to get driven over since he started p4. He pitted on lap one but made it back to p13 for the finish. He must have realized he had the wrong tires after warm up because otherwise he could have changed them before the start 🤷🏻‍♂️


See you again soon in races I’m sure and hope for better fortune. You’ll have that A back this week if you can keep the wheel in check 👍
 
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