GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Childe Roland]

It’s a shame that during races there is no way of knowing whether a driver has pitted or not.
I use VR and it really is amazing but you do miss out on so much situation awareness with (I’m aware it’s been spoken about b4)

Thats the price we pay for inmersion. Worth it? absolutely yes for me.

Regarding flashing of lights it has become a fashion accessory for a number of trolls 👿 when they discover a ‘new’ button 🤣

Flashing lights is a good tool when is correctly used for example if you are trying to work together with someone.
Sometimes the car ahead takes awkward defensive lines which can slow both cars. A flashing there means "go take the racing line, I wont attack you on this turn"

Very useful at Eau Rouge or the bus stop at Watkins Glen to name a few difficult spots to take side by side

Edit: grammar

 

[Bondwhar]

Thats the price we pay for inmersion. Worth it? absolutely yes for me.


Flashing lights is a good tool when is correctly used for example if you are trying to work together with someone.
Sometimes the car ahead takes awkward defensive lines which can slow both cars. A flashing there means "go take the racing line, I wont attack you on this turn"

Very useful at Eau Rouge or the bus stop at Watkins Glen to name a few difficult spots to take side by side

Edit: grammar

I dont think I could ever revert back to non-VR if I'm honest.

 

[Charmantha]

Not always a troll. Sometimes it's just a lowly pad user like me, gripping the thing a bit too tight and pushing down on L3 under braking

I rearranged the button, pushing L3 has no function. Do you also have the problem on right turns, that your thumb is pushing the stick into the right upper corner? I am using controller since ever but just noticed that I do this and lose time. I am going to buy a steering wheel, because like this it doesn't make any sense.

 

[newmedia_dev]

@Childe Roland that’s fair but I do think there is a caveat around that, in most of our lobbies we see it all the time, the quick flash to say sorry, the quick flash and drop back to leave space, hazards on for “cheers for the bump draft”

But I don’t think it’s a common experience for the majority in so much it’s either accidental/unaware flashing or frustrated/annoyed flashing.

To your other point you know my feelings on it, I will never go back unless it’s playing Mario kart with my daughter on the TV! VR till I die baby!

 

[brockie]

It has it's place as a way to regain SR when you lost it in the other races, but that meant that "racing" at the back was beneficial.

With DR on, it's real racing again. It's unfortunate that the group is so mixed with people who can't be careful.


Ya, I think all the time I have spent with low traction cars in the Sophy races has been paying off. I did a 140.178 which puts me at #6 in Canada at the moment (yes, I'm gloating)

4 wins so far

Good going mate and great time, I’m enjoying it that much too! 😁

Only down side for me is having to replicate it with my actual account come Friday night but I think this race is going to see me through the week easily,

Enjoy

 

[Gurzu]

Sorry guys, wich infos are available in VR? Ok, no leaderbord, but what else is missing compared to flat screen's view?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Sorry guys, wich infos are available in VR? Ok, no leaderbord, but what else is missing compared to flat screen's view?

There is no:

Driver position list
No track map

We only get the MFD (Fuel, timing, radar, TC and BB)

That’s the only 2 things missing but the things we do have aren’t actually useful in race, the radar being the most useful with fuel second. People probably aren’t switching TC or BB frequently in race and sector timing means losing the radar which I’d imagine isn’t a thing either

There are some more experience lead things that make VR different:

The little sideways taps feel and are more physical both on the wheel and when playing. Remember the car has visual volume rather than just something you can’t see around you in other cams.

Being rear ended or slightly tapped feels very very real in that because the viewpoint is more in the centre of the car is “personal” then there is the lines in VR you take naturally fall in to the way you’d really drive but in other cams you’d magically go tighter/deeper it’s not faster but in those cams it looks like it.

It’s a really complex scenario as we are all doing the same things but the perspective alters the behaviours or appreciation of what’s really going on.

I have been a GT bumper cam user for decades so can understand it, then there is the other side where Tidge doesn’t like the natural but offset position and feels he doesn’t judge the inside right, I on the other hand feel I judge it better for me but I’m not a GT academy driver and also slower (but getting faster!!) so who knows.

But to the question the 2 missing things are the most important especially in a race that requires a pit stop.

 

[brockie]

Just in case it’s helping anyone,

Following holl01 ghost and using mainly tidgney braking points.

There is time here to be found

@Voodoovaj sent you a friend request from alt account just so I can chase your time, from next week it won’t using it so it’ll not clog up yr leaderboard 😁

 

[benjoi84]

@benjoi84 this reminds me of the sardegna radical race

Good times!! I just finished rewatching my top races from that combo too!

It has it's place as a way to regain SR when you lost it in the other races, but that meant that "racing" at the back was beneficial.

With DR on, it's real racing again. It's unfortunate that the group is so mixed with people who can't be careful.

I would absolutely vote for Race A to always remain 'ranked'. I think the DR/Off situation creates too many 'gamifying tactics'. That is to say, your previously mentioned SR-clean is one of them. It just doesn't feel like racing, but you have to less obsessed with ranking up to enjoy it. Not many people are that, unfortunately.

 

[Talon16]

Haven't gotten one of these on the primary account in a minute.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I would absolutely vote for Race A to always remain 'ranked'. I think the DR/Off situation creates too many 'gamifying tactics'. That is to say, your previously mentioned SR-clean is one of them. It just doesn't feel like racing, but you have to less obsessed with ranking up to enjoy it. Not many people are that, unfortunately.

I personally would prefer it to be ranked as well, for the same reason. Having “skin in the game” and keeping your SR should encourage cleaner racing and helps everyone move up.

Just turning DR off I think has the opposite effect than intended. I mean if you are worried about SR then why does it matter if DR is on the table? That’s the trade off you make in any race. When it’s just lapping it’s sort of hollow in a lot of instances for me.

 

[Schiaramone]

I dont think I could ever revert back to non-VR if I'm honest.

I did it.
When I migrated to Fanatec I started to play on screen due the cockpit.
I can say im competitive in both, but if you are taking it serious at least u need a better hud and leaderboard.

I found very useful the leaderboard and the delta on time...think that i can't see on VR.

When I back to play GT7 on december'24, I got straight to VR/Logitech923...and by now...Im playing just one month without
I build myself until rank A on VR.

I love both modes.


Talking about races.
Shame on me, I dont know nurburgring well and doing 8.22...need to practice more ..using Supra
Race C getting ok, 1.31.590...but i want to go to the 30 mark.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I would absolutely vote for Race A to always remain 'ranked'. I think the DR/Off situation creates too many 'gamifying tactics'. That is to say, your previously mentioned SR-clean is one of them. It just doesn't feel like racing, but you have to less obsessed with ranking up to enjoy it. Not many people are that, unfortunately.

For me, something like this week and last week with really tricky cars to drive and a track that generates carnage, I'd like to jump on and just keep my nose clean and have a little fun without potentially tanking my DR so badly that when I get back to a race B or C I am still in competitive lobbies.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

Intrigued by the N24 and unusually decent payouts, I gave Sport mode a go for the first time this year. Racing twice without qualifying, I overtook 6 and 8 cars, first in the Atenza, then the V12 Vantage for fun.

Since the V12 did so well for me, I set a decent time for DR(edit: DR: D) of 8:33ish, and unexpectedly took pole position! Drove to victory mostly unscathed (2nd ever Sport win in GT7). 427,000 Cr or so with CRB, like it probably should be without bonuses.

In the following race, stayed in the lead all the way to Döttinger Hohe, but as I'd braked too hard for Galgenkopf, the car that'd been just a second behind for half the lap was able to slide past, and I finished 0.12 seconds behind. Good fun, though! A bit more interesting at the back, dodging the missiles.

 

[Gurzu]

When I back to play GT7 on december'24, I got straight to VR/Logitech923

Hey m8, wich are the main differences that you found between the G923 and the Fanatec you're using nowadays? By the end of the year I think I'll be owning a DD Pro, but I'm undecided between a new wheel first and the VR after or the opposite (or both together as a Christmas self gift).

Talking about race C, I see most of my fast friends on the G70. I'm thinking to ditch the NSX and focus on the G70 only, trying to get within the 0.7/0.8% delay from aliens. For sure I'll never qualify with a car (like the Megane) and race another, I find it philosophically wrong (wadr). That's my weekend goal, with obviously also climbing back to DR A to vindicate the last two weekends of carnage.

 

[Voodoovaj]

For me, something like this week and last week with really tricky cars to drive and a track that generates carnage, I'd like to jump on and just keep my nose clean and have a little fun without potentially tanking my DR so badly that when I get back to a race B or C I am still in competitive lobbies.

I hear what you're saying, and it's a valid point.

I agree with @benjoi84 in that these races are best when there is something at stake. I would go so far as to say (and this isn't new) Race C should have more events similar to Race A.

Race A this week is too short and you don't have enough time to climb back to a good position after the carnage of lap 1, unless you manage to run away. If it were a 10-15 lap race, it would be MUCH better.

Race A this week has some strange boost/draft happening. If you get in a group, the braking points change, which doesn't help the situation.

 

[benjoi84]

For me, something like this week and last week with really tricky cars to drive and a track that generates carnage, I'd like to jump on and just keep my nose clean and have a little fun without potentially tanking my DR so badly that when I get back to a race B or C I am still in competitive lobbies.

I agree with you to some extent, as ultimately i prioritise having fun over everything else.

My problem is, that as long as we had "Race A/unranked, B and C ranked" with the latter always being Group 3 & 4, there was only one direction my DR was traveling! Having a 'stay clean' race is fine but i often find myself mismatched because either I'm a big fish in the small A pond, or a small fish in the big B & C pond.

More than once I've 'ranked' up in a favourable combo only to be left in the dust in Race Car category combos.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I feel like having DR turned on also increases the carnage of these trickier, less grippy cars as folks are desperate to gain a spot. Turn off DR and people tend to calm down a little, especially in mixed A and B lobbies.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I agree with you to some extent, as ultimately i prioritise having fun over everything else.

My problem is, that as long as we had "Race A/unranked, B and C ranked" with the latter always being Group 3 & 4, there was only one direction my DR was traveling! Having a 'stay clean' race is fine but i often find myself mismatched because either I'm a big fish in the small A pond, or a small fish in the big B & C pond.

More than once I've 'ranked' up in a favourable combo only to be left in the dust in Race Car category combos.

There is a really interesting point in both what you and Neville are saying and there is an obvious one as well generally.

At launch A had quite a few junior hatch races that were ranked, these were fun and my first foray back in to online racing since GTR 2/ GTL the cars were controllable and I was lower ranked so progress wasn’t even on my radar more having fun and upping my race count.

Then A evolved/devolved to something very different, it was fine for me as I was happy bringing up the back in Daily B mostly in that period (still do now most weeks 🤣)

Over the 3 years I have improved in both race craft and as a driver in the game and am often moaning the same moan I did 1 year ago just moaning about being slow in A or Slow in B (DR) and bouncing between the 2.

What I have learned is pace and consistency HAVE to improve to solidify your ranking, I’m at a semi natural 1/3rd through the bar place for me it goes up and it goes down but I can always re-centre to about that position now, but it’s taken time and quality time doing my laps, the quality bit being I did them with learning in mind.

Back to Daily A, having done the amount of racing I have I find it a novelty both in combo choices but also the wild grid spreads A+ to E/B it’s just crazy and no offence to anyone typically the pace spread is almost comical in this sort of mix.

But this has a problem as well, it de incentivises new players to persist and practice and improve and for more experienced players it’s a meme/nothing race typically where the most experienced are seal clubbing or just doing x laps flag to flag to get the win with a few people in between not really trying or learning just trying to gain SR back that arguably in some extreme players SR swings shouldn’t be allowed.

So you have this race that is deliberately “different” to any of the other competitive PVP races but typically with the most unfriendly combos where th good keep looking “gooder” and the people trying to improve aren’t in an environment to actually learn to be better.

I think personally while the Daily race structure has been good since sport mode it’s becoming less and less fit for the purpose the video they make you watch is actually trying to convey.

 

[brockie]

I think with a DR on naturally you will get better lobbies as you progress and if you have a good time you will find closer competition.

Having DR off just leads to people reverse boosting to keep in lobbies which are far below their skill level.

I’m actually racing against A&A+ now in A and it’s so much better and cleaner, had 3 races early this morning, against one guy DR A, I started pole, held him off for a couple of laps and eventually he got past a eased away, second race, he got away early and made a mistake and I took him although I also made a mistake and he took me and again won, third race, I aced it and he got caught up with traffic in his mirror and that was mine, but great clean racing.

I reckon I might have been a Japanese car test driver is a previous life, I seem to excel in those cars 😁

Also, I had an optimal of 1.39.994 earlier so I’m still hopeful of getting there this week!

 

[ZEE]

Well after a week of not playing GT7 and feeling very rusty, I hopped back on my day off and I was quite suprised to achieve this in Daily Race B!!! Started 14th on no qualifying time as it was too short when entering. Then bashed my up the ranks and avoided carnage at Turns 1 & 2 of this Nurburgring 24h and managed to get a solid 5th place with the awesome 911 RSR!!!

May try some more tomorrow and see how I fair, but overall a decent result!

Spoiler: Cool race photos!!

 

[newmedia_dev]

@ZEE could you drop a couple of those pics behind a spoiler tag just that it’s really slow loading in the room I race in?

 

[ZEE]

@ZEE could you drop a couple of those pics behind a spoiler tag just that it’s really slow loading in the room I race in?

Done matey enjoy!!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Done matey enjoy!!

Thank you, wasn’t a dig bud, two or three work ok but more was just slow that was all 👊

 

[newmedia_dev]

We all want to be faster and be A drivers and above but my gosh it’s extremely hard work to even remotely compete sometimes

Will forget yesterday 1 finish (8th) 2 pit lane finishes because a VR streamer couldn’t have some patience or see me indicating (A+ driver as well)

We move on and I lowered my QT to almost a 1.30:9 but it’s 1/1000s off.

Had 3 races basically the best I can hope for and the pace week is all in the 100ths and consistently doing it, this is what separates us mere mortals.

 

[Haitauer]

The penalties ( or yhe lack of) is abysmal in race B. Is it always like this now?

 

[newmedia_dev]

The penalties ( or yhe lack of) is abysmal in race B. Is it always like this now?

Yes.

But it’s nuanced, if you are crashing then obviously you get the penalty, if you just hit a car for whatever reason you get a penalty. If the car in front spins and you are with in 1.5 km of it you get the penalty. If you go through a yellow flag and briefly pass a car but instantly give it back you get the penalty.

Then there is track limits which are basically RNG on where the line is at a given point in time.

What you can do is side swipe any car penalty free or be gently braking when you rear end them in to narnia, this is apparently fine and “what is sportsmanship”

HTH



Yeah none of us have a rational clue either 🤷‍♂️

 

[Schiaramone]

Hey m8, wich are the main differences that you found between the G923 and the Fanatec you're using nowadays? By the end of the year I think I'll be owning a DD Pro, but I'm undecided between a new wheel first and the VR after or the opposite (or both together as a Christmas self gift).

Yo! ✌️

I got DD+ clubsport 15nm , f1 2.5 wheel and V3 pedals.

First thing, u need CSL cockpit. Fanatec Its too heavy for logitech chairs type.

15nm is too much power, 8nm I can say is enough.

So if I was you ...I'd would like to take the VR after the wheel.

VR is more about experience but do not make you faster. Just cool to have.

The main difference I feel when migrated from g923 to Fanatec is understanding what is happening with the car since logitech dont have the force/sensibility to do it.

So you will feel 100% when you are doing something wrong like oversteer or losing grip..
Also car balance, how suspension are working..braking...everything...

Its basically you start to drive better because you dont want to fight against the car.

You will need a little adaptation because its another world but when you take it you'll climb many positions on global board

Go for Fanatec my friend.

Io sono di Como 😁

 

[NAXEHT]

Hey @Paulo Ribeiro!

Missing your summaries of the past week’s races that you used to post here, I thought they were worth a read!

 

[Haitauer]

Yes.

But it’s nuanced, if you are crashing then obviously you get the penalty, if you just hit a car for whatever reason you get a penalty. If the car in front spins and you are with in 1.5 km of it you get the penalty. If you go through a yellow flag and briefly pass a car but instantly give it back you get the penalty.

Then there is track limits which are basically RNG on where the line is at a given point in time.

What you can do is side swipe any car penalty free or be gently braking when you rear end them in to narnia, this is apparently fine and “what is sportsmanship”

HTH



Yeah none of us have a rational clue either 🤷‍♂️

They should make the penalties increase sharply in SR A and SR S, so that only clean drivers could reach SR S. It doesent even make any sense having the SR system as is, when any dirty driver can easily maintain SR S. Its like grading exams from 4 to 10 but giving everyone a 10.