GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

Painful week mate, there is no hope for it, going to be a long hard slog until Monday, I just need to get back to SR S and then I’m going alt account all weekend,

You have have to pray you get around the first 2 turns intact and there is no maniacs in the lobby just wanting everyone to burn,

The corvette was especially annoying. I had cleared him so zero overlap, and I had momentum AND I left him room on the inside and STILL the giblet hit me. Like FFS.

 

[brockie]

Feeling ya, I had this race at lunch today. Man I thought it was going to be the perfect race, me and this German guy 1&2, both in the viper, 4 laps without touching each other, he led, I led, start of lap5 P3 dived from third into me and put me in the sand.

Unfortunately Monza does not work on GT

 

[chengman]

Good thing that this weekly B at Monza has 6 laps.
I hope that as the week goes on people will learn that 6 laps is long enough to avoid winning the race on the first turn

With the Vipers on track it feels like a multiclass race.
Im sticking with the R8 but its hard to follow them even with slipstream.

I wished they have banned this car.
It would have been a much better race IMO.

The R8 is really good in sector 2 since it corners so well, but the straight line speed of the Viper, especially if they have a slipstream behind you is overpowered. They can be 0.8s behind you before or after parabolica, and side by side with you at the end of a straight. It is possible to overtake the Viper in Lesmo 1&2, but if you get too close you lose downforce immediately. Quite frustrating since the R8 is so good.

 

[Uday9479]

Sometimes a track + car combo in a daily race just clicks better than any other daily race from the near past. Did a few qualy runs at St. Croix with my meta (SLS AMG) & bettered my fastest lap time to 2:21:400. The optimal time of 2:20:829 has inspired me to try again tomorrow.

I ran this set of qualy runs in the evening, a time of the day when I'm usually mentally tired. When playing in the late mornings or noon time, I usually fare better which is why want to give the qualy runs one more try. The biggest benefit of setting a good time is the higher probability of starting in the top 5 of my DR/SR grid slot & this is enough to avoid the mid grid craziness which ruins the race most of the times.

This race is addictive because I'm seeing users pit on varied laps to either switch to RM or RH which makes it real exciting.

 

[SpacedInvader]

The NSX is a juicy peach of a car, pity it's racing on a stinky scrotum of a track that allows any idiot to punt and punt to their heart's content.
In around ten races at different time slots I've had two that were more or less clean, all others absolute showers of brown goo. Not a good enough ratio. Being in front works against you as you can be easily and properly taken out at multiple points in the lap. How many times have people here said we need proper penalties for miscreants?
What a waste of potential...

 

[art3mis]

It's my experience at St Croix that pitting on lap 2-3 if you start hards and pitting lap 7-8 if you start mediums makes the most sense. Any more than 2-3 laps on hards and you're losing time to everyone so doing the most to minimize hard running makes the most sense regardless of anything else going on in the race.

The NSX is a juicy peach of a car, pity it's racing on a stinky scrotum of a track that allows any idiot to punt and punt to their heart's content.
In around ten races at different time slots I've had two that were more or less clean, all others absolute showers of brown goo. Not a good enough ratio. Being in front works against you as you can be easily and properly taken out at multiple points in the lap. How many times have people here said we need proper penalties for miscreants?
What a waste of potential...

For online racing Monza is hot garbage. Always has been always will be. None of us non-aliens are skilled enough to be consistently fast, clean, and also leave enough room for others at either of the two chicanes or either lesmos.

There is nothing that can be done to "fix" online racing at Monza short of removing both chicanes for those races. The best you can hope for is sometimes you don't die.

 

[SpacedInvader]

For online racing Monza is hot garbage. Always has been always will be. None of us non-aliens are skilled enough to be consistently fast, clean, and also leave enough room for others at either of the two chicanes or either lesmos.

There is nothing that can be done to "fix" online racing at Monza short of removing both chicanes for those races. The best you can hope for is sometimes you don't die.

A ha. I should've stated explicitly I was talking about Race A. Forgot people might think I was using the Gr3 NSX in Race B. No, B was a dead cert to be a punter's paradise with all the chicanes. Not going near it. I'm a road car man, even moreso a JDM man, and that's why I'm fuming they've put an NSX one-make race on such a dumb 'circuit'...

 

[brockie]

A ha. I should've stated explicitly I was talking about Race A. Forgot people might think I was using the Gr3 NSX in Race B. No, B was a dead cert to be a punter's paradise with all the chicanes. Not going near it. I'm a road car man, even moreso a JDM man, and that's why I'm fuming they've put an NSX one-make race on such a dumb 'circuit'...

I was reading your posts about race A and thinking, damn, A & B are total garbage this week, full of punters.

It’s the combos sadly, I haven’t bothered with A since I saw tidgney video saying it has very hard to drive, that won’t end well at high speeds.

Monza just isn’t wide enough for 2 cars in the turns for most people or can they brake in unison so it’s carnage, bad week but we get on with it.

Actually I just had a race at Monza which was clean, no actual ****. It’s possible I guess at certain times with ppl who want to race

I’ll post it later

 

[newmedia_dev]

I was reading your posts about race A and thinking, damn, A & B are total garbage this week, full of punters.

It’s the combos sadly, I haven’t bothered with A since I saw tidgney video saying it has very hard to drive, that won’t end well at high speeds.

Monza just isn’t wide enough for 2 cars in the turns for most people or can they brake in unison so it’s carnage, bad week but we get on with it.

Actually I just had a race at Monza which was clean, no actual ****. It’s possible I guess at certain times with ppl who want to race

I’ll post it later

It’s one of weeks where it will settle down but really quite divisive.

I haven’t turned a wheel today not even QT because the early bad taste where honestly in high A\A+ lobbies who have done this race 100s of times still try to pass at lesmo 2 or in to Ascari but also can’t lift and break gradually for T1 is inexcusable quite frankly.

You can’t be clumsy 4 races in the same place as an A driver.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I'm not sold it is primarily the combos, the lack of penalties means people increasingly just don't care. They need to come down hard with a new penalty system, especially in S rooms.

Passing at lesmo 2 unless someone has really made a big error = tears.

 

[benjoi84]

Completely academic of course, but everyone feel free to check out my Showcase for some incredibly close racing at Grand Valley. The odd mistake, but very tough, mostly clean racing with some talented individuals.

 

[art3mis]

A ha. I should've stated explicitly I was talking about Race A. Forgot people might think I was using the Gr3 NSX in Race B. No, B was a dead cert to be a punter's paradise with all the chicanes. Not going near it. I'm a road car man, even moreso a JDM man, and that's why I'm fuming they've put an NSX one-make race on such a dumb 'circuit'...

Oh my bad! I tried Daily A last night just for qualifying and I realized I'm just really bad at not overdriving the tires on the car.

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I'm not sold it is primarily the combos, the lack of penalties means people increasingly just don't care. They need to come down hard with a new penalty system, especially in S rooms.

Passing at lesmo 2 unless someone has really made a big error = tears.

I've long thought that there needs to be actual financial rewards for clean and safe driving. Safety rating is functionally meaningless across all levels of driver skill. There's no penalty for not being safe and clean, no real reason to drive that way.

There is, however, advantage to be gained by being dirty. Forcing another car off track is a position you gain and get rewarded financially for. It also tracks in your stats.
Finding a way to do that while not being penalized is a large part of the online racing meta. Knowing where at Bathurst you can wall someone to get past and they'll get the penalty and you won't is a skill that PD rewards with the way online racing is set up.

If you want clean and safe rating you've got to either park people for penalties or you've got to reward clean driving far more than you currently do. I'm talking orders of magnitude higher. It's somewhere around 50% bonus for CRB. I can make more than that by shoving two people off track, taking their spots, and finishing higher than I would have with my CRB.
That is a fundamental flaw that can't be overcome by penalty systems.

Additionally there's the problem of the software penalizing the wrong person. For example if I'm walled at Bathurst I get the penalty for hitting a well. If I just don't let you back on when we're side by side and you try to force the issue that's your fault not mine according to the software.

If I want to run you wide in the middle of a corner and you go off track that's your penalty not mine even though it's my fault you're there. I don't think there's a fix other than to actually stop people from playing the game when they do it or by paying so much more for clean racing that moving someone out of the way does not reward that many credits. But even then people don't race online for credits they race for wins and they'll do anything they can to get there.

 

[mellofello9]

I was reading your posts about race A and thinking, damn, A & B are total garbage this week, full of punters.

It’s the combos sadly, I haven’t bothered with A since I saw tidgney video saying it has very hard to drive, that won’t end well at high speeds.

Monza just isn’t wide enough for 2 cars in the turns for most people or can they brake in unison so it’s carnage, bad week but we get on with it.

Actually I just had a race at Monza which was clean, no actual ****. It’s possible I guess at certain times with ppl who want to race

I’ll post it later

I forgot how much fun the Jag can be at Monza. 164 mph+ at the end of the straight and five-star brakes, lol. Was nice slipping into something different after a loooooooooooooong hiatus.

Was having fun in the new Porsche. Then I beat my PB with the old one. Then I threw caution to the wind as I waxed nostalgic about Monza in the GTSport days. If it was a McLaren party, I was reachin' for the F-Type.👍

 

[NevilleNobody]

I forgot how much fun the Jag can be at Monza. 164 mph+ at the end of the straight and five-star brakes, lol. Was nice slipping into something different after a loooooooooooooong hiatus.

Was having fun in the new Porsche. Then I beat my PB with the old one. Then I threw caution to the wind as I waxed nostalgic about Monza in the GTSport days. If it was a McLaren party, I was reachin' for the F-Type.👍

It's great, not as fast as the Viper but as strong as the Audi in race trim and it just feels so much better to drive than either of those cars, it just works for me, i have a lot of confidence in it. The Audi makes me nervous and the Viper is a mystery to me.

 

[mellofello9]

It's great, not as fast as the Viper but as strong as the Audi in race trim and it just feels so much better to drive than either of those cars, it just works for me, i have a lot of confidence in it. The Audi makes me nervous and the Viper is a mystery to me.

I think 'confidence' is its trademark. The thing just feels planted everywhere. One struggle, though, is keeping it off the rev-limiter after driving nothing but cars with 9K+ redlines, lol.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I've long thought that there needs to be actual financial rewards for clean and safe driving. Safety rating is functionally meaningless across all levels of driver skill. There's no penalty for not being safe and clean, no real reason to drive that way.

There is, however, advantage to be gained by being dirty. Forcing another car off track is a position you gain and get rewarded financially for. It also tracks in your stats.
Finding a way to do that while not being penalized is a large part of the online racing meta. Knowing where at Bathurst you can wall someone to get past and they'll get the penalty and you won't is a skill that PD rewards with the way online racing is set up.

So this is understandable to a degree but it’s not quite accurate.

There are lots of different scales here.

firstly credits aren’t the primary tool for online racing they are a carrot for new sports mode players, if just looked at my stats nearly 7k online only race 100% circuit experience, platinum trophy and 94m with all the cars.

They aren’t mutually exclusive.

There is the competitive layer where ambition/aggression out weighs talent and that’s a learning curve and it’s fast or slow but you have to go through it.

What you will find is that n just being quicker, more in control and more comfortable racing the lobby dynamic than aspiration is more useful than blaming PD.

It’s not like we don’t feel your pain but it’s an exercise in self improvement more than bad races, and that should be the focus

 

[NevilleNobody]

I think 'confidence' is its trademark. The thing just feels planted everywhere. One struggle, though, is keeping it off the rev-limiter after driving nothing but cars with 9K+ redlines, lol.

OMG, every time! Takes me 3 laps to remember to shift quicker.

 

[brockie]

I think the week is turning guys at Monza, just had a couple of races, admittedly very early here in the UK but completely clean, started p4 finished p2 - what a race this one is when it’s clean.

Second race I fumbled through, 6 secs of pens for braking into people, usually I’m very good at not doing this so unless the field is being overly cautious or I should have been more is more likely I guess, but no one’s race ruined and I got my due.

There was an update too so I wonder if this had anything to do with it

 

[Stringerbell]

Morning Gents - been a wild few days for me over here but fingers crossed it's all calmed down a bit and managed to get a few quali laps in on race C last night which was nice to be back in the rig for the first time in over a week.

With the supra, is this a short shift as I remember Tokyo being a supra and a short shift but can't remember if it's the same car?

Hope you have all had a good week racing, have been following intermittently on here when I've had time.

In a bit of good news, finally got my RS Track wheel. Not sure if I prefer it to the proper wheel as the material for the full wheel on the RS50 is really plush.

 

[brockie]

@Stringerbell glad you and yours are all good mate! Mad world 😞

That wheel looks awesome have fun with it!

Bit of a glum week really, new TT out today and let’s see tomorrow what next week holds

 

[SpacedInvader]

I'm not sold it is primarily the combos, the lack of penalties means people increasingly just don't care. They need to come down hard with a new penalty system, especially in S rooms.

Passing at lesmo 2 unless someone has really made a big error = tears.

In race A, for example, you can punt somebody off at one of the hairpins, putting them into the barriers and facing at least 10 secs of reversing out and getting going again, behind the whole field, when all you get is a measly 2 or 4 sec penalty. It's absurd. Should be 20 or 30 sec pens for strongly rear-ending people in braking zones, software must be able to determine whether people are braking or not. Even if player numbers dropped by 20% it'd be worth it. PD should put quality above quantity.

And to the guy who just keeps saying 'get better' in response to almost all complaints: no, this happens at almost all levels, and all players, all, deserve a decent experience. Some of us are not racing online day in day out, let alone ranking up 7k starts (I'm on 500 ish, in healthy doses over 4 years, only doing the combos i really fancy), and neither are the vast majority of us in nice rigs (let alone VR).

I don't think this is rocket science. PD just need to put some effort into improving things. It's on them, not the players.

 

[Uday9479]

As the proverb goes 'Make hay while the sun shines' seems so applicable to me as of now. Considering I'm just an upper B (DR) ranked player, I'm somehow able to collect some decent to good results at St. Croix.

This was my 2nd race victory in succession today which was hard earned & satisfying. All of the players from 2nd place onwards are good. It's just that maybe the stability of the SLS AMG & the long but smooth flowing turns of this circuit really suit me to make me competitive enough to battle it out with these great players. I use a DS4 but am planning to shift to a wheel in May.

I must've raced about 15 times or so till now at St. Croix. I've never experienced such a period of good results. My worst finish was 6th or 7th in one of these races that also I was hit from behind to send me in the kitty litter. Still I recovered well enough to get a DR increase in that race even. The DR graph below just shows how much of a satisfying time this is with a spike in my DR, which I know won't last come new daily races next week. So will keep making hay till the sun shines....

 

[Lightsider74]

First venture into GT7 online. Completed around 7 race A's so far. Experienced lots of needless dirty driving but unfortunately it's inevitable.

 

[ZEE]

Had a fuin Daily race B yesterday at Monza with eh good ol' VIPER, fuin race but lots of bish boshing at the chicanes, so typical in a B lobby!!

 

[Bondwhar]

I think the week is turning guys at Monza, just had a couple of races, admittedly very early here in the UK but completely clean, started p4 finished p2 - what a race this one is when it’s clean.

Second race I fumbled through, 6 secs of pens for braking into people, usually I’m very good at not doing this so unless the field is being overly cautious or I should have been more is more likely I guess, but no one’s race ruined and I got my due.

There was an update too so I wonder if this had anything to do with it

Brockie, I’m afraid the late risers have surfaced with carnage fuelled enthusiasm and have sadly joined Race B. Four races and three punts at turn 1 ended any chances this morning of improving (or enjoying) my skills sets today.
Shall fire up my real Z4 and with the roof down take Mrs B out for lunch 🥗.
Hopefully later today the calmness of fairness will sweep the GT planet 🌍 🙏🏻

 

[Fezzik]

First venture into GT7 online. Completed around 7 race A's so far. Experienced lots of needless dirty driving but unfortunately it's inevitable.

Welcome. Keep at it, get your SR rating up to S and things do improve (mostly, there are always knobs).

 

[brockie]

Brockie, I’m afraid the late risers have surfaced with carnage fuelled enthusiasm and have sadly joined Race B. Four races and three punts at turn 1 ended any chances this morning of improving (or enjoying) my skills sets today.
Shall fire up my real Z4 and with the roof down take Mrs B out for lunch 🥗.
Hopefully later today the calmness of fairness will sweep the GT planet 🌍 🙏🏻

Mate, nice! Hopefully you have some sun and some scenic drive to enjoy!

Yes I fear for my lunch race I have to say and the weekend will be ruined but let’s see, I got my rating back to BA, I challenge myself to get back to S, which will impossible this week, just need to keep my head and avoid the spoilers

Edit. Another cracking clean race at lunch, earned a full quarter of SR into A, started p4 finished p4, p3 in a Porsche won against 3 vipers 😁

 

[NevilleNobody]

In race A, for example, you can punt somebody off at one of the hairpins, putting them into the barriers and facing at least 10 secs of reversing out and getting going again, behind the whole field, when all you get is a measly 2 or 4 sec penalty. It's absurd. Should be 20 or 30 sec pens for strongly rear-ending people in braking zones, software must be able to determine whether people are braking or not. Even if player numbers dropped by 20% it'd be worth it. PD should put quality above quantity.

And to the guy who just keeps saying 'get better' in response to almost all complaints: no, this happens at almost all levels, and all players, all, deserve a decent experience. Some of us are not racing online day in day out, let alone ranking up 7k starts (I'm on 500 ish, in healthy doses over 4 years, only doing the combos i really fancy), and neither are the vast majority of us in nice rigs (let alone VR).

I don't think this is rocket science. PD just need to put some effort into improving things. It's on them, not the players.

I don't disagree, Monza was again farcical last night. In one race I started P2, survived the initial braking zone but mid chicane got pole axed by a guy from like 10th who ploughed into the gaggle of cars, I was left facing backwards in the sand from P2, 14 second behind the second last car. It's a dead set joke.

Even less obvious stuff is ridiculous. If you stay on the racing line at the lesmos you are complete toast, half the field just runs up your inside with no penalty for side contact and you are in the sand, losing 20 seconds.

 

[SpacedInvader]

Welcome. Keep at it, get your SR rating up to S and things do improve (mostly, there are always knobs).

Don't get his hopes up.
Yes, being S slightly reduces the chances of running into trouble, but it's still an absolute disaster zone far too often. S lobbies should have all in-race pens multiplied by at least 5 or ten-fold.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Don't get his hopes up.
Yes, being S slightly reduces the chances of running into trouble, but it's still an absolute disaster zone far too often. S lobbies should have all in-race pens multiplied by at least 5 or ten-fold.

Arguably you’d want the inverse of that though, imagine working up to S a small netcode issue, concertina bump and bang huge penalties that is a lot more than lower lobbies “accidents/malicious” contacts?