Gt7 ffb query

[mr-ramsbottom]

Hi Just wondering about ffb on other wheels 😊, compared to other wheel on gt7, such as the difference between

Acceleration and d-acceleration.

Abs does it work on your wheel as in any vibration when abs is active

Trail braking any feeling of good ffb when you hit the sweet spot

Traction when accelerating out of corners have you found other wheels to be better for alerting you of good traction and lack of traction.

Wheel slip on acceleration a biggie for me, if you can't compare can you give any reference to whether you get alerted of wheel slip through ffb

Thanks again

 

[Famine]

Hi Just wondering about ffb on other wheels 😊, compared to other wheel on gt7, such as the difference between

To which wheel would you be comparing?

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

To which wheel would you be comparing?

hi well currently I have a TgT 2 belt driven but I'm now considering a DD drive wheel.

So I guess the comparison between direct drive wheels probably Logitech and fanatec, I'm not fussed about the price either.

But for those who can't compare maybe just some feedback on my question

 

[Famine]

hi well currently I have a TgT 2 belt driven but I'm now considering a DD drive wheel.

So I guess the comparison between direct drive wheels probably Logitech and fanatec, I'm not fussed about the price either.

Okay, but your post is super confusing as you ask to compare other wheels to other wheels, but without knowing what the not-other wheel is we have no frame of reference.

Here's GTPlanet's reviews of the Logitech G Pro, Thrustmaster T598, and Fanatec GT DD Extreme:

Logitech G PRO Direct Drive Wheel Review: A Gran Turismo 7 Game-Changer (UPDATED)

https://youtu.be/YO1zD_NamzA Logitech has just revealed the G PRO Racing Wheel, and it’s a product I never thought it would actually make. The company has a long history of producing reliable, entry-level sim-racing hardware, but it has always ceded the higher-end of the market to companies like

www.gtplanet.net

Thrustmaster T598 Review: Is Direct Axial Drive the Future of Sim Racing?

https://youtu.be/HRjMFCuxtkU This is the Thrustmaster T598, and it’s one of the most interesting and unusual sim-racing wheels to come out in quite some time. What makes it so unique is its axial flux motor. Thrustmaster calls it “Direct Axial Drive”, and the company has made big claims that

www.gtplanet.net

Fanatec Reveals All-New Gran Turismo DD Extreme Wheel: Full Review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dh_RcQjow Fanatec has just revealed the "Gran Turismo DD Extreme", a completely new product which is now the flagship in terms of Gran Turismo-branded hardware and will be used at all Gran Turismo World Series live events moving forward. The wheel is only ava

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Andy Lapi]

I had (still have..) the Tg2 very good wheel, I bought the DD+ very good also and the difference when driving on GT7 is not big, even I think the TGT front motor vibration give more sensations for FFB..
I am not faster with DD+..

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

Okay, but your post is super confusing as you ask to compare other wheels to other wheels, but without knowing what the not-other wheel is we have no frame of reference.

Here's GTPlanet's reviews of the Logitech G Pro, Thrustmaster T598, and Fanatec GT DD Extreme:

Logitech G PRO Direct Drive Wheel Review: A Gran Turismo 7 Game-Changer (UPDATED)

https://youtu.be/YO1zD_NamzA Logitech has just revealed the G PRO Racing Wheel, and it’s a product I never thought it would actually make. The company has a long history of producing reliable, entry-level sim-racing hardware, but it has always ceded the higher-end of the market to companies like

www.gtplanet.net

Thrustmaster T598 Review: Is Direct Axial Drive the Future of Sim Racing?

https://youtu.be/HRjMFCuxtkU This is the Thrustmaster T598, and it’s one of the most interesting and unusual sim-racing wheels to come out in quite some time. What makes it so unique is its axial flux motor. Thrustmaster calls it “Direct Axial Drive”, and the company has made big claims that

www.gtplanet.net

Fanatec Reveals All-New Gran Turismo DD Extreme Wheel: Full Review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dh_RcQjow Fanatec has just revealed the "Gran Turismo DD Extreme", a completely new product which is now the flagship in terms of Gran Turismo-branded hardware and will be used at all Gran Turismo World Series live events moving forward. The wheel is only ava

www.gtplanet.net

I had (still have..) the Tg2 very good wheel, I bought the DD+ very good also and the difference when driving on GT7 is not big, even I think the TGT front motor vibration give more sensations for FFB..
I am not faster with DD+..

Hi thanks for your replies I've edited my opening post as really
none of online reviews really give any answers to my questions, hope it's less confusing Ty 😊

 

[TumeK5]

I've edited my opening post hope it's less confusing

It...still has no mention of the wheel you're using.

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

It...still has no mention of the wheel you're using.

See post two 😊

 

[TumeK5]

See post two 😊

Yes...but...the whole point was to make the opening post clearer, negating the need to read through the thread to find the answer.

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

Yes...but...the whole point was to make the opening post clearer, negating the need to read through the thread to find the answer.

Ok well I would but I don't have an option to edit my posts for some reason it's disappeared, but never mind, besides a thread like this should really hold valuable insight and fot those who are interested, I would suggest reading the whole thread.

As it stands my ffb on my tgt 2 isn't that bad really, I've just recorded a time at Sardegna road track a, current daily races of 141,779 which is only 9 tenths slower than a top 100, not that I'm boasting or anything but it's not my optimal time either my opt is quicker,

The Tgt 2 which I have is a good wheel and im happy enough with the ffb but not completely, all tho it can be a pain with certain cars at first and I have to change settings, the tfd seems more responsive on other cars and I cant fix that no matter what I do.

Ffb on high on this wheel for a short amount of time results in ffb becoming week, but stays good enough for me on a lower value.

I've read a lot of reviews and I never really hear anything regarding the questions I'm asking, mostly the only thing I hear is DD wheels let you know quicker when your sliding on gt7 and you will catch more slides,

I'm interested to know about feeling of grip, good traction bad traction abs wheel spins, trail braking lateral g forces,

Thanks again

 

[M Stark]

I had (still have..) the Tg2 very good wheel, I bought the DD+ very good also and the difference when driving on GT7 is not big, even I think the TGT front motor vibration give more sensations for FFB..
I am not faster with DD+..

I solved the lack of sensation by adding a (powerful) bass shaker under my seat. It transfers vibrations all throughout the rig and wheel and the entire experience is much elevated. I can't recommend it enough.

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

I solved the lack of sensation by adding a (powerful) bass shaker under my seat. It transfers vibrations all throughout the rig and wheel and the entire experience is much elevated. I can't recommend it enough.

so far my experience of SIM haptics has now become disappointing, gt7 does not provide abs telemetry to simhub wheel slip is not accurate either as stated on the simhub software, still I'm interested to know your setup

 

[Yard_Sale]

From what I’ve found over the years with PD’s lackluster FFB implementation, is that it gets better the more horsepower you throw at it - with the limits between grip and no grip becoming more pronounced. Using this strategy, your best bit would probably be a Fanatec Clubsport DD+ at the highest FFB strength your comfortable with. Running minimal filters helps too. YMMV

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

From what I’ve found over the years with PD’s lackluster FFB implementation, is that it gets better the more horsepower you throw at it - with the limits between grip and no grip becoming more pronounced. Using this strategy, your best bit would probably be a Fanatec Clubsport DD+ at the highest FFB strength your comfortable with. Running minimal filters helps too. YMMV

Hopefully one day it will get better, what I dint understand is why it's so miles apart from what many users experience on pc on say lmu or I racing, it can't be processors, I mean running a game at 4k on a ps5 must suggest good quick data processing, is it limitations of has or something else, I want to be able to understand why, without jumping the gun.

has full force feed back come to this wheel yet on Gt7 ? Last I read was tones if people had been waiting a long time for the full force feed back implementation.

I've been watching thekie for a few days on lmu and the transformation in how happy he is with the ffb and racing experience is quite something , so much so in thinking of getting a good spec pc and joining him maybe with a club sport.

Interesting you point out a more pronounced feeling of loss grip and grip this is exactly what I wanted to hear.

How about wheel spin ? As when I'm watching top drivers race like digit racing or the kie, i always hear them say many times I've just had wheel spin with the wheel you mentioned , is it good for that to ? How do they know I wonder as they don't use haptics so they must be getting something through the wheel ? Is it distinct from other ffb feeling like a more pronounced vibration and is it consistent lap after lap for wheel spin thanks for your reply btw, I really could do with knowing this

 

[M Stark]

so far my experience of SIM haptics has now become disappointing, gt7 does not provide abs telemetry to simhub wheel slip is not accurate either as stated on the simhub software, still I'm interested to know your setup

I totally agree with you. There's so much left to be desired when compared to PC haptics. But, we work with what we have 😅

I have a DD+ on a fairly standard aluminium profile rig, nothing fancy, and under my seat I've installed a Dayton Audio BST300EX bass shaker which I'm powering with an Ayima A07 Max power amp. This combo works very well imo. I get the audio signal directly from my TV's subwoofer output into the amp, so as you can expect I'm not getting precise feedback like the one you'd get using SimLab but I still think it's way worth it. All the car and road rumble goes throughout the rig and fills up the "void".

 

[mr-ramsbottom]

I totally agree with you. There's so much left to be desired when compared to PC haptics. But, we work with what we have 😅

I have a DD+ on a fairly standard aluminium profile rig, nothing fancy, and under my seat I've installed a Dayton Audio BST300EX bass shaker which I'm powering with an Ayima A07 Max power amp. This combo works very well imo. I get the audio signal directly from my TV's subwoofer output into the amp, so as you can expect I'm not getting precise feedback like the one you'd get using SimLab but I still think it's way worth it. All the car and road rumble goes throughout the rig and fills up the "void".

Interesting I take it you mean the DD+ extreme, total around about 1600 UK pound with v3 pedals, it sounds like your ffb has improved since adding the base shakers, but I feel for 1600 pound, to then have to buy more equipment to improve it is a bit of disappointment, it is what it is I guess.

Can you comment on wheel slip and wheel spin ffb through the wheel only ?

On SIM hub with the SIM magic pedal reactors when turning on wheel slip I do get alerted on all the low traction points if I'm over accelerating, which generally is because I've accelerated to hard out of a corner in lower gear, so to correct it I'll accelerate out in second at say 40 percent acceleration at first then increase, this generally stops the wheel slip notifications from simhub happening, so simhub is good for helping you pinpoint those low traction points quite quickly which can save you heaps of time in practice, however on SIMhub it's states the wheel slip telemetry isn't accurate from gt7 but it works, as to what it mean by it not being accurate I don't know if it's delayed or sometimes it doesn't work, mine seems to work all the time. It kinda forces you into really monitoring how much your accelerating out of the corners so it's not to bad.

It's also amazing just how much your pedals can improve by adding a really good grease to the springs , the grease used here is for the internals of Makita drills you can get it online

 

[M Stark]

Can you comment on wheel slip and wheel spin ffb through the wheel only ?

I honestly have no real way to compare because my only point of reference is my Fanatec DD+ since it's my first wheel ever. But what I can tell you is there's no effects like ABS, engine, road, etc. At least not yet. That's where the bass shaker comes in.