GTP Cool Wall: 1969 AMC AMX 390 "Go Pack"

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1969 AMC AMX 390 "Go Pack"


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Sub Zero - the AMX always be one of the most iconic muscle cars - sweet memories playing Interstate '76 - the 'ABX AMZ :) Though that car was based on '70 AMC Javelin AMX.
 
Or, even more recently, how a 1986 RS200 would... ;)
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"RS" means something to Ford (Europe) fans - Rallye Sport. Same kind of exception for M. And of course it was a Ford, rather than an FMC :D

The year's not important - but I always find it desperately uncool when people lead with one in the car's name. Sure, mention it if asked, but "What car do you drive?" needs to be followed with a badge or a marque (or both), not a date.
 
I 100% whole heartedly disagree with you. Back then, year is definitely important to a car. There were so many changes going on that there is a ton of year only stuff that means more performance one year than another. Not only that, but visual changes and all sorts of crap like that. So much was being changed even down to the day and month that it's important, and that comes in when you try to put a value on a care, and a rare one especially. How do you think they find out what a car is worth when someone "restores" one? An appraiser comes in and you always hear "period correct" or "that's not right for that year" even down to what freaking decals/stickers the damn car had on the hood or rear fender! Back then it was a sight to be seen when a car looked the same longer than 3 years.

Not to mention how many different engines were put into muscle cars, sometimes 10 or more were offered just in one vehicle, and that's not including various differences between ones offered.

For example, I'll use Ford here. A 1969 351W head some of the best factory heads you could get, among a ton of changes like firing order, cam specs, timing advance, compression ratio changes internals, etc. 2-3 years later that motor was a freaking pig that made no power in comparison. Year is DEFINITELY important with muscle cars, especially if you are into building with stock parts. You can make a ton of power with '90s GT40P heads but you should know there's a new spark plug angle that will make finding headers that fit tough for it. These heads are some of the closest you'll find to those good ones from the '60s (stock), anything else you need to stay away from or you'll choke your engine to death.

Even with AMC, the 390 had an uber high compression ratio of 12.3:1 or higher in some years and other years it was down to 8.5:1 or lower, but used the same engine block. Year is important.
 
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I 100% whole heartedly disagree with you. Back then, year is definitely important to a car. There were so many changes going on that there is a ton of year only stuff that means more performance one year than another. Not only that, but visual changes and all sorts of crap like that. So much was being changed even down to the day and month that it's important. Not to mention how many different engines were put into muscle cars, sometimes 10 or more were offered just in one vehicle, and that's not including various differences between ones offered.

For example, I'll use Ford here. A 1969 351W head some of the best factory heads you could get, among a ton of changes like firing order, cam specs, timing advance, internals, etc. 2-3 years later that motor was a freaking pig that made no power in comparison. Year is DEFINITELY import with muscle cars, especially if you are into building with stock parts. You can make a ton of power with '90s GT40P heads but you should know there's a new spark plug angle that will make finding headers that fit tough for it. These heads are some of the closest you'll find to those good ones from the '60s (stock), anything else you need to stay away from or you'll choke your engine to death.

I agree even beyond motor and equipment changes, classic American cars were on a yearly cycle of body style changes.
 
I 100% whole heartedly disagree with you. Back then, year is definitely important to a car. There were so many changes going on that there is a ton of year only stuff that means more performance one year than another. Not only that, but visual changes and all sorts of crap like that. So much was being changed even down to the day and month that it's important, and that comes in when you try to put a value on a care, and a rare one especially. How do you think they find out what a car is worth when someone "restores" one? An appraiser comes in and you always hear "period correct" or "that's not right for that year" even down to what freaking decals/stickers the damn car had on the hood or rear fender! Back then it was a sight to be seen when a car looked the same longer than 3 years.

Not to mention how many different engines were put into muscle cars, sometimes 10 or more were offered just in one vehicle, and that's not including various differences between ones offered.

For example, I'll use Ford here. A 1969 351W head some of the best factory heads you could get, among a ton of changes like firing order, cam specs, timing advance, compression ratio changes internals, etc. 2-3 years later that motor was a freaking pig that made no power in comparison. Year is DEFINITELY important with muscle cars, especially if you are into building with stock parts. You can make a ton of power with '90s GT40P heads but you should know there's a new spark plug angle that will make finding headers that fit tough for it. These heads are some of the closest you'll find to those good ones from the '60s (stock), anything else you need to stay away from or you'll choke your engine to death.

Even with AMC, the 390 had an uber high compression ratio of 12.3:1 or higher in some years and other years it was down to 8.5:1 or lower, but used the same engine block. Year is important.
And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important (I suspect you misunderstood me - I was saying that the "1986" part of the Ford RS200 Evolution name isn't important), but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.

Moreover, it's of most importance to numbers matchers - who are the Normans of the muscle car world. It's about as cool as keeping your own urine in labelled containers.


You could lead with the year for a Ferrari F40 and I'd be nodding off before you got to "teen". It's boring. If your answer to "What car do you drive?" starts with a number, I don't want to talk to you.
 
And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important, but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.

Moreover, it's of most importance to numbers matchers - who are the Normans of the muscle car world. It's about as cool as keeping your own urine in labelled containers.
That's where we are different. To you, it might be boring and seriously uncool but to me, it's what keeps me going every day as I find it extremely interesting. That kind of stuff interests me, as it does a lot of people.
 
That's where we are different. To you, it might be boring and seriously uncool but to me, it's what keeps me going every day as I find it extremely interesting. That kind of stuff interests me, as it does a lot of people.
Smashing, but irrelevant. That's the point of having these threads where people vote to say what's cool to them.
 
Let's say I drove a Dodge Challenger from 1970. Someone asks what I drive and I tell them "Dodge Challenger." How are they supposed to know if I am talking about a 1970 Challenger, 1980s Challenger, or 2008+ Challenger? I would say year definitely matters in defining coolness of a car. Maybe not all cars, but for most it is.
 
Let's say I drove a Dodge Challenger from 1970. Someone asks what I drive and I tell them "Dodge Challenger." How are they supposed to know if I am talking about a 1970 Challenger, 1980s Challenger, or 2008+ Challenger? I would say year definitely matters in defining coolness of a car. Maybe not all cars, but for most it is.
I have a feeling they'd think it's some new one with a V6. The minute you bring up a 1970, wether or not it's got a 225 Slant 6 in it or a 440 V8, it's an instant bull:censored: unless you roll up in it.
 
Let's say I drove a Dodge Challenger from 1970. Someone asks what I drive and I tell them "Dodge Challenger." How are they supposed to know if I am talking about a 1970 Challenger, 1980s Challenger, or 2008+ Challenger? I would say year definitely matters in defining coolness of a car. Maybe not all cars, but for most it is.
Wait for them to ask. If they ask, they're interested. If they don't, they're not and you're only making them less interested by starting with the year.

If you lead with the year, you make what could be a cool car sound frightfully dull.

I always find it desperately uncool when people lead with one in the car's name. Sure, mention it if asked, but "What car do you drive?" needs to be followed with a badge or a marque (or both), not a date.
 
I still disagree. Here's a typical situation when having a conversation with a stranger from my corner of the world.

"Haha, that's cool. What you drive?"
"I have a '69 Mach 1, it's pretty sweet. Restored it from the ground up myself"
"Nice!!!! A '69 eh? One of the best years for 'em"
"Yeah I agree, my favorite model Mustang personally"
"Yeah same here, though the '67s and '70s were pretty cool"
"Yeah that's true too, I really like the rear ends on the '70s"


Being able to distinguish a totally different looking car by simply mentioning a year is cool.
 
I never said being anal was bad, I'm the most pedantic person in the world. But please, answer me this, are these trainspotters cool people?

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I still disagree. Here's a typical situation when having a conversation with a stranger from my corner of the world.

"Haha, that's cool. What you drive?"
"I have a '69
Everything after that is static. That lead-in lets me know I have no interest in you whatsoever.

The answer to the question is "A Mustang". If they're interested enough in Mustangs, they'll ask you for more. If they aren't you're boring them before you've even answered the question.

I don't tell people I have an '07 Sony Playstation 3 60Gb PAL. I tell them I have a PS3. If they're interested, they'll ask me for more.
 
Well maybe to you but im pretty sure most people in the world don't give a damn if you specify a year before a car model. Seriously, who cares? Plus its a lot easier to come out and say it without dragging the conversation a whole lot. If there is interest and know something about the car they will continue. It works both ways.
 
But the fact is, you are a nerd for knowing every spec on a certain car. I'm a nerd for being able to explain in great detail about the history of the 24 Heures du Mans. I'm a nerd for having spent several months of my life watching, reading up on, and contemplating Neon Genesis Evangelion. I'm a nerd for having a tendency to spend several hours at a time adjusting in minute detail the gearbox tuning settings of my Daihatsu Midget II in Gran Tursimo. People who can recall exactly who scored which goals for which team in which football match 20 years ago are nerds for that as well.

Being a nerd isn't a bad thing, if anything it's a good thing; and all it means is that you have a specific interest in a particular, possibly obscure, field. But it isn't cool, either way. (Unless you're a Kirby nerd, nobody's cooler than Kirby nerds!)
 
Well maybe to you but im pretty sure most people in the world don't give a damn if you specify a year before a car model. Seriously, who cares? Plus its a lot easier to come out and say it without dragging the conversation a whole lot. If there is interest and know something about the car they will continue. It works both ways.
It's called "knowing your audience".

If someone asks you where you live, you don't kick off with your house number. Sure, your house is really important and the number makes it different to other houses, but this guy wouldn't have the first clue what to do with that information - unless he was the postmaster of your town. You start off big - and the less you think they know, the bigger you start. I spoke to a guy today from Luton and gave him the local urban area as my location to give him a general clue. Turns out he's from round here and I bammed it right down to the village, about which we had a fun chat. Had I lead in with the village and he was not from round here, that information would be useless and I'd have had to go bigger.


Don't assume people care about the same things you do. They probably don't. After all, as someone very wise once said,
Not everyone has the same taste in cars as you do.
The answer is "Mustang". If they care, they'll ask more. If they don't, they'll have information they can do something with and not a tedious overdose of useless information.
 
And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important (I suspect you misunderstood me - I was saying that the "1986" part of the Ford RS200 Evolution name isn't important), but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.

Moreover, it's of most importance to numbers matchers - who are the Normans of the muscle car world. It's about as cool as keeping your own urine in labelled containers.


You could lead with the year for a Ferrari F40 and I'd be nodding off before you got to "teen". It's boring. If your answer to "What car do you drive?" starts with a number, I don't want to talk to you.

Not always the case. Say you drive a Camaro. If someone asks what you drive, you're not going to just say "a Camaro", because so much depends on the year. Even if it's been modded heavily, there's still enough that depends on model year that it should be mentioned. The only thing a '97 Camaro shares with a '67 Camaro is the name. Same with the Mustang example you used. A freind of mine has a Mustang he's building for drag races, but if I don't tell you anything beyond that, you aren't really much closer to knowing what it is than before. Could be a '64 or a '92 or a '12 or even a Mustang II for all you know, and those cars have very little in common except for the name.
 
Already covered. If they want that information, they'll ask. Most people don't care.

If someone asked me what I drove and I answered "A 1996 Mazda MX-5 1.8i Merlot limited edition" I'd expect them to be backing away before I'd reached the 'i'.
 
So you'd say its a '96 Mazda Miata. You can say what you will and ill say what I will lol.
 
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You do have a point in regular conversation with a non car person the year rarely comes up. My brother inlaw thought my '95 Cobra was a '00 or '01 because it was in good condition. Granted here on GTplanet the person you are talking is more than likely a car person.
 
To be honest, I do it out of habit more so then not. Normally I'd refer to a car without the year unless there is more than one generation of it, or there is a lot of differences between models.
 
Also, quoting a model year is a lot better than quoting a chassis code. I don't think many people know what a JZA80 Supra is. Saying "1995 Supra" is just a lot better.
I agree. Even better if you shorten the year and just say "95". I find the year important especially as I've said there are multiple generations of said car. That way if the person you are speaking to has interest in it, they will further ask questions about that said model. It works both ways as I've previously said.
 
Typically around here usually people only state the model year if the car is a classic. (pre 1980)

Rarely hear the model year mentioned if it's a late model car, unless that info is needed.
 
Typically around here usually people only state the model year if the car is a classic. (pre 1980)

Rarely hear the model year mentioned if it's a late model car, unless that info is needed.
I've seen that a bit more as well.
 
Being able to distinguish a totally different looking car by simply mentioning a year is cool.

Anoraks are never cool.

The average person doesn't give a damn what year the car is. Like Famine said, know your audience. I won't bust out the useless car trivia I have bouncing around my head when my girlfriend's good friend visits; I'll save it for when her Audi-driving, car-loving boyfriend comes along too.

Unless it's a classic, a Camaro is a Camaro is a Camaro, just as the same is true of a Corolla. If someone truly cars about the model year, they'll just ask. And even if it is a classic, most people are plenty fine with you saying "old Camaro". That sounds cooler to the average person than "1969 Camaro Z28".
 
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