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Sub Zero - the AMX always be one of the most iconic muscle cars - sweet memories playing Interstate '76 - the 'ABX AMZ
Though that car was based on '70 AMC Javelin AMX.
Or, even more recently, how a 1986 RS200 would...![]()
I 100% whole heartedly disagree with you. Back then, year is definitely important to a car. There were so many changes going on that there is a ton of year only stuff that means more performance one year than another. Not only that, but visual changes and all sorts of crap like that. So much was being changed even down to the day and month that it's important. Not to mention how many different engines were put into muscle cars, sometimes 10 or more were offered just in one vehicle, and that's not including various differences between ones offered.
For example, I'll use Ford here. A 1969 351W head some of the best factory heads you could get, among a ton of changes like firing order, cam specs, timing advance, internals, etc. 2-3 years later that motor was a freaking pig that made no power in comparison. Year is DEFINITELY import with muscle cars, especially if you are into building with stock parts. You can make a ton of power with '90s GT40P heads but you should know there's a new spark plug angle that will make finding headers that fit tough for it. These heads are some of the closest you'll find to those good ones from the '60s (stock), anything else you need to stay away from or you'll choke your engine to death.
I edited my post, see above.I agree even beyond motor and equipment changes, classic American cars were on a yearly cycle of body style changes.
And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important (I suspect you misunderstood me - I was saying that the "1986" part of the Ford RS200 Evolution name isn't important), but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.I 100% whole heartedly disagree with you. Back then, year is definitely important to a car. There were so many changes going on that there is a ton of year only stuff that means more performance one year than another. Not only that, but visual changes and all sorts of crap like that. So much was being changed even down to the day and month that it's important, and that comes in when you try to put a value on a care, and a rare one especially. How do you think they find out what a car is worth when someone "restores" one? An appraiser comes in and you always hear "period correct" or "that's not right for that year" even down to what freaking decals/stickers the damn car had on the hood or rear fender! Back then it was a sight to be seen when a car looked the same longer than 3 years.
Not to mention how many different engines were put into muscle cars, sometimes 10 or more were offered just in one vehicle, and that's not including various differences between ones offered.
For example, I'll use Ford here. A 1969 351W head some of the best factory heads you could get, among a ton of changes like firing order, cam specs, timing advance, compression ratio changes internals, etc. 2-3 years later that motor was a freaking pig that made no power in comparison. Year is DEFINITELY important with muscle cars, especially if you are into building with stock parts. You can make a ton of power with '90s GT40P heads but you should know there's a new spark plug angle that will make finding headers that fit tough for it. These heads are some of the closest you'll find to those good ones from the '60s (stock), anything else you need to stay away from or you'll choke your engine to death.
Even with AMC, the 390 had an uber high compression ratio of 12.3:1 or higher in some years and other years it was down to 8.5:1 or lower, but used the same engine block. Year is important.
That's where we are different. To you, it might be boring and seriously uncool but to me, it's what keeps me going every day as I find it extremely interesting. That kind of stuff interests me, as it does a lot of people.And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important, but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.
Moreover, it's of most importance to numbers matchers - who are the Normans of the muscle car world. It's about as cool as keeping your own urine in labelled containers.
Smashing, but irrelevant. That's the point of having these threads where people vote to say what's cool to them.That's where we are different. To you, it might be boring and seriously uncool but to me, it's what keeps me going every day as I find it extremely interesting. That kind of stuff interests me, as it does a lot of people.
I have a feeling they'd think it's some new one with a V6. The minute you bring up a 1970, wether or not it's got a 225 Slant 6 in it or a 440 V8, it's an instant bull:censored: unless you roll up in it.Let's say I drove a Dodge Challenger from 1970. Someone asks what I drive and I tell them "Dodge Challenger." How are they supposed to know if I am talking about a 1970 Challenger, 1980s Challenger, or 2008+ Challenger? I would say year definitely matters in defining coolness of a car. Maybe not all cars, but for most it is.
Wait for them to ask. If they ask, they're interested. If they don't, they're not and you're only making them less interested by starting with the year.Let's say I drove a Dodge Challenger from 1970. Someone asks what I drive and I tell them "Dodge Challenger." How are they supposed to know if I am talking about a 1970 Challenger, 1980s Challenger, or 2008+ Challenger? I would say year definitely matters in defining coolness of a car. Maybe not all cars, but for most it is.
I always find it desperately uncool when people lead with one in the car's name. Sure, mention it if asked, but "What car do you drive?" needs to be followed with a badge or a marque (or both), not a date.
That's ignorance on your part then.Being able to distinguish a totally different looking car by simply mentioning a year is anal.
Everything after that is static. That lead-in lets me know I have no interest in you whatsoever.I still disagree. Here's a typical situation when having a conversation with a stranger from my corner of the world.
"Haha, that's cool. What you drive?"
"I have a '69
It's called "knowing your audience".Well maybe to you but im pretty sure most people in the world don't give a damn if you specify a year before a car model. Seriously, who cares? Plus its a lot easier to come out and say it without dragging the conversation a whole lot. If there is interest and know something about the car they will continue. It works both ways.
The answer is "Mustang". If they care, they'll ask more. If they don't, they'll have information they can do something with and not a tedious overdose of useless information.Not everyone has the same taste in cars as you do.
And every part of that is boring. I know why it's important (I suspect you misunderstood me - I was saying that the "1986" part of the Ford RS200 Evolution name isn't important), but this isn't the important wall - it's the cool wall.
Moreover, it's of most importance to numbers matchers - who are the Normans of the muscle car world. It's about as cool as keeping your own urine in labelled containers.
You could lead with the year for a Ferrari F40 and I'd be nodding off before you got to "teen". It's boring. If your answer to "What car do you drive?" starts with a number, I don't want to talk to you.
I agree. Even better if you shorten the year and just say "95". I find the year important especially as I've said there are multiple generations of said car. That way if the person you are speaking to has interest in it, they will further ask questions about that said model. It works both ways as I've previously said.Also, quoting a model year is a lot better than quoting a chassis code. I don't think many people know what a JZA80 Supra is. Saying "1995 Supra" is just a lot better.
I've seen that a bit more as well.Typically around here usually people only state the model year if the car is a classic. (pre 1980)
Rarely hear the model year mentioned if it's a late model car, unless that info is needed.
Being able to distinguish a totally different looking car by simply mentioning a year is cool.