GTP Cool Wall: 2013+ Jaguar F-Type

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2013+ Jaguar F-Type

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Cool - if exceptionally expensive - musical instrument that produces some of the most brilliant sounds (both the V6 and V8).

Also looks slick in coupe form.
 
I'm impressed that Jag finally managed to make a coupe that isn't just a knockoff of the DB7. That they made it hew so close to the concept (especially that backend) is all the better.
 
Gets a meh from me.

It's just seems inexplicably "Need for Speed" like. Just tries too damn hard. For modern cars, the more cool they try to be, the less cool they are. The opposite is true for older cars.
 
Looks pretty good for a Jag. Nothing stellar, and the back end is still truckface ugly.

Mostly going to be driven by people that own Estate agencies, therefore can't really get any less cool.
 
Cool now they do a coupe version. Only seen an open top close up in the flesh. Detailing is borderline a bit overdone, but it does have presence.
 
Sub zero they do have a coupe version coming. @TheCracker
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A cool for me; I'm fine with the transmission choice because, even if it's the sportiest Jag, it's still, er, a Jag. That particular 8-speed gets a ton of good press too, anyway.

The looks are obvious hot (Callum can do no wrong), but it misses out on SZ because it's still a lard-arse.
 
Definitely cool, even if it doesn't offer a manual trans. Manual can add great amount of fun and involvement to the driving experience but most of the time when I'm driving a manual around town it just becomes an inconvenient chore.
 
Come to think of it, we need more sequential shifters in this world. Best compromise between the convenience of sequential/automatic and the fun of manual. Paddle shift does seem to be a bit boring.
 
Cool because Jaguar, cool because non-car people can look at it (and hear it) and immediately tell why it's cool.
 
RE: manual vs automatic transmissions - this is one area where I'm actually straight up opposed to any sort of advancement or development.

The world would be a better place if development of automatic transmissions had stalled out completely back when they were all useless 4-speed boat anchors that wasted gas and caused lots of horsepower to get lost in transmission. I've said before that manual transmissions - especially in mainstream cars - will die out if the people who don't really care about driving don't have any pragmatic reason to buy them, such as saving gas or just making sure the car can get out of its own way if need be. Looks like it's happening to sports cars too.

TL;DR automatic transmissions must suck so normal people - commuters, people who bought a fast car just to show off, teenagers who'd rather take public transport anyway so they can continue to txt while moving from place to place - will have good reasons not to buy them.
 
I can only think of a handful of actually good autos. C-Series, TorqueFlite's, Turbo-400's, Allison's and Powerglides being the main ones.
 
It's look is astonishing, the roar of the engine is gorgeous, the interior is fantastic... list goes on...

From every single point of view... it's flawless... it's perfect...

This car perfectly defines Subzero... :drool:
 
White & Nerdy
RE: manual vs automatic transmissions - this is one area where I'm actually straight up opposed to any sort of advancement or development.

The world would be a better place if development of automatic transmissions had stalled out completely back when they were all useless 4-speed boat anchors that wasted gas and caused lots of horsepower to get lost in transmission. I've said before that manual transmissions - especially in mainstream cars - will die out if the people who don't really care about driving don't have any pragmatic reason to buy them, such as saving gas or just making sure the car can get out of its own way if need be. Looks like it's happening to sports cars too.

TL;DR automatic transmissions must suck so normal people - commuters, people who bought a fast car just to show off, teenagers who'd rather take public transport anyway so they can continue to txt while moving from place to place - will have good reasons not to buy them.
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Within your lifetime the stick-shift will die out of new production cars, and then eventually all cars in use. The fact that you will meet a sort of karmic reckoning as this happens overtime makes these utterly asinine posts a bit closer to tolerable to me.

In other words, you know that crazy old guy who sits on his porch and grumbles about how the blacks and whites are getting married? That's going to be you. It's a very lonely place.
 
White & Nerdy
TL;DR automatic transmissions must suck so normal people - commuters, people who bought a fast car just to show off, teenagers who'd rather take public transport anyway so they can continue to txt while moving from place to place - will have good reasons not to buy them.
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There's actually no logical reasoning here. It's hilariously ironic that your whole crusade is against bleeding heart liberals and their feelings but this opinion is completely devoid of logic and an understanding of the basic principles of business and is just based on some vague feeling that manuals are morally superior. Customers don't want or buy manuals on a large scale anymore, and companies have a vested interest to improve their automatics relative to the competition. Deal with it.

It does explain your defence of 90's GM though, as they had a long history of completely ignoring customer demand through that time period.

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I can only think of a handful of actually good autos. C-Series, TorqueFlite's, Turbo-400's, Allison's and Powerglides being the main ones.
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DSG's would have a word with you. As well as the countless examples used in sports and supercars from various manufacturers. It's fine to say you'd prefer to have a supercar with a stick but to call the gearboxes in modern Ferraris and such not "actually good" is wrong. You can say you don't like them but to say they aren't good is just an odd choice of words when they mostly shift faster than anyone can with a manual these days.
 
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I only listed a few, that doesn't mean there aren't more out there 👍
 
White & Nerdy
And you and @Noob616 not only don't see any problem with this, but actually think it's a good thing?
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Of course. I've done enough driving to know that there is much more to car culture and dynamic driving than a stick-shift transmissions. You'll notice those who have broader experiences than yours will tend to feel the same way. There's something enlightening about not militantly sticking to what is familiar.
 
White & Nerdy
TL;DR automatic transmissions must suck so normal people - commuters, people who bought a fast car just to show off, teenagers who'd rather take public transport anyway so they can continue to txt while moving from place to place - will have good reasons not to buy them.
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And the huge preponderance of sucky two- and three-speed automatic boat anchors in the 60's and 70's prevented them from gaining market dominance... how?

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You've got it backwards. Automatics are getting better because people are buying them and manufacturers have to meet fuel economy requirements.

People would still buy four-speed autos if they were still available. In fact, they are still available, and still selling to people who don't give two whits about how many gears are in their box.

Ironically, why would you want completely uncool people to buy manual transmissions? Do you feel guilt by association because your Sunfire has a slushbox?
 
White & Nerdy
And you and @Noob616 not only don't see any problem with this, but actually think it's a good thing?
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It's more that I just don't care to turn it into a moral issue. Any car I would reasonably be able to afford and would want with a manual I can get with a manual. The FRS/BRZ, Miatas, Focus/Fiesta ST, GTI, any older muscle car (Cougar, Chevelle/Camaro SS, etc), M3, the list goes on and on. There's plenty of cars available both new and old that are found with manuals. I'm not worried that newer cars aren't being sold with manuals because in most cases the cars I want with a manual are sold with manuals.

Any car I would want with an auto or semi auto I can get with one. If I buy a luxury car or SUV to cruise in I don't want a manual. I don't care to have a manual in a commuter car because they can be annoying in stop and go traffic and I'll likely be living in bigger cities for a while to establish my career. I don't care to have a manual if some day I'm rich enough to afford a Ferrari because to me a supercar is about pushing the limits of technologies to go faster and modern dual clutch systems found in supercars do that.

It's just a non issue for me. I tend not to be the type of person to get bent out of shape because in 40 years I won't be able to buy a spiritual successor to an FRS with a manual, nor am I going to get up in arms because some day I might win the lottery and the 458 Italia doesn't have a manual option. At that time who knows what the automotive landscape will look like, so it's not something I really care to get worked up about.
 
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Within your lifetime the stick-shift will die out of new production cars, and then eventually all cars in use. The fact that you will meet a sort of karmic reckoning as this happens overtime makes these utterly asinine posts a bit closer to tolerable to me.

In other words, you know that crazy old guy who sits on his porch and grumbles about how the blacks and whites are getting married? That's going to be you. It's a very lonely place.
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Wish I could give it more likes cause this is the point I was trying to get at with him on the last page. The guy sounds like a kid that has these grandiose ideas on how car fanatics should see driving, and this is only his idea because someone who he was raised by or looked up to passed it down on to him while cursing at technology and the long past "good ol' days" of American cars.

Hell if GM ever comes out with a mainstream V8 that isn't pushrod, I'm sure his lid would flip.
 
I personally attribute some bad habits of traffic to the habits people form with an automatic transmission, and like W&N I would prefer if people who don't give a crap about driving simply didn't (bring on the driverless cars, as long as they don't become compulsory). I think the roads would be generally "better" if a greater percentage of other drivers took more interest in driving like "we" do, and I believe automatic transmissions contribute to disinterest. But things are what they are. It's not as simple as "if only automatics still sucked"...

For my own purposes, manual is best by default. I see the alternatives for their value in specific scenarios -- an SMG/DSG for the racetrack, an automatic for working/hauling -- but they would make any daily driver a loathesome thing. The better the car, the more tragic the fact it lacks a clutch pedal. Like this Jaguar, which seems like a great car in all other respects. I'm no out-of-touch conspiracy theorist (I think) and I'm also troubled by the decline of traditional manual transmissions. To me, nothing can replace driving one.

But because of the way this subject unfolds every time, I suppose I'm just an unenlightened luddite and will have to "deal with it."
 

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