GTP Cool Wall: 2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Blame it on the old (and not so good) sterotype that dictates that "all that's American cannot handle a corner", I guess.

Also, @Slash, that picture on your last post is not showing for me, you need to fix that.

That's not at all why people are saying this. One you are talking about a company who has used the call of competition from the others as a means to just give everything more and more power. You have magazines of still good respect and dwindling saying this car cant handle, as well as test engineers. If you want the car to succeed that's great but the management still plays by this is the good old days of the early 70s when it comes to the performance division.


If it weren't for Fiat at times holding them back who knows what they'd do.

I agree for those who say it due to a stereotype aren't worth arguing, but those who actually see it for what the car is should be heard. I mean let's give it the simple fact that the rubber it uses from what I remember seeing in the thread dedicated to the Charger and Challenger was thinner than what the Viper uses and not as sticky. Which I thought was an issue, and that's just scraping the surface.

When a performance car of this caliber is built you expect more than just the tweeks and rather a revamp. For example Ford. Built a brand new mustang then gave the world a super car killing variant (GT350) and instead of just using the same engine or a truck engine and giving it a supercharger they did more. And went above and beyond even going so far to do a flat crank engine the first of it's kind from Ford.

The point is if you want to be serious about your market you go from the ground up, if you think your customers can be appeased like a child with candy...you give them this (hellcat whatever) and laugh to the bank.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

That's not at all why people are saying this. One you are talking about a company who has used the call of competition from the others as a means to just give everything more and more power. You have magazines of still good respect and dwindling saying this car can handle, as well as test engineers. If you want the car to succeed that's great but the management still plays by this is the good old days of the early 70s when it comes to the performance division.


If it weren't for Fiat at times holding them back who knows what they'd do.

To be fair, they can't go that much further than the Hellcat, I think. The free, "fuel is cheap and pollution doesn't really matter" days of the '70's are pretty much a distant past. Even if the Hellcat isn't a handling master, but it's still an improvement over those days. It's not by much, granted, but if they don't do things like this, Dodge\SRT will lose sales to Ford and Chevy in the performance market. Simply because SRT models don't really have the same allure as a Mustang or a Camaro. My thoughts, at least.

And if Fiat really wanted to hold Dodge back, they wouldn't have allowed the Viper to return...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

To be fair, they can't go that much further than the Hellcat, I think. The free, "fuel is cheap and pollution doesn't really matter" days of the '70's are pretty much a distant past. Even if the Hellcat isn't a handling master, but it's still an improvement over those days. It's not by much, granted, but if they don't do things like this, Dodge\SRT will lose sales to Ford and Chevy in the performance market. Simply because SRT models don't really have the same allure as a Mustang or a Camaro. My thoughts, at least.

And if Fiar really wanted to hold Dodge back, they wouldn't have allowed the Viper to return...

Sure they would they just make sure that the car is fast enough to never kill off any Ferrari or Maserati in the same class of Super Car as it. Just like the claims that they last viper was limited to 640 because Ferrari didn't want to be overshadowed after they just released a car with over 700 for twice the Viper's price tag under the same group. Also it's quite easy to see how Chrysler could make the V10 bump out 700 when tuner groups do it all the time with simple tunes. So...

However, when I discuss Fiat on the performance choices made by Chrysler division cars I say it in a general sense. At the end of the day the MC was made to be slower than the Enzo and it's just Ferrari nature, nurtured by Fiat.

 

[mustafur]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 Same could be said about the GT500 though, it doesn't try to be anything then what it is, not everycar is a canyon carver some can go fast in a straight line as well.

*talking about the Hellcat.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Sure they would they just make sure that the car is fast enough to never kill off any Ferrari or Maserati in the same class of Super Car as it. Just like the claims that they last viper was limited to 640 because Ferrari didn't want to be overshadowed after they just released a car with over 700 for twice the Viper's price tag under the same group. Also it's quite easy to see how Chrysler could make the V10 bump out 700 when tuner groups do it all the time with simple tunes. So...

However, when I discuss Fiat on the performance choices made by Chrysler division cars I say it in a general sense. At the end of the day the MC was made to be slower than the Enzo and it's just Ferrari nature, nurtured by Fiat.

Fair enough, but let's not forget about the future ACR version (we don't know yet how powerful that one can be). They could also be holding the stock version back because of that. Of course, the "don't overshadow Ferrari" point also fits, but we never know when SRT could release a more powerful Viper...

Fiat always wanted\wants to make sure Ferrari stands at the top of their pyramid as the supercar brand, whilst everybody else handles the other areas.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 Same could be said about the GT500 though, it doesn't try to be anything then what it is, not everycar is a canyon carver some can go fast in a straight line as well.

*talking about the Hellcat.

That's why I didn't use that car nor planned to because it is the same thing as the hellcat just less power. Read my comments on the new mustang thread and you'll see my point more clear.

Also the GT500 isn't around in current form so why use it. The GT350 is, the ZL1 is and Z28 as well. Which Dodge wishes to compare itself to. For the Charger we could use the CTS-V. All of these have had massive improvements beyond power output as the main defining factor by the engineering team and the product placement team.

Fair enough, but let's not forget about the future ACR version (we don't know yet how powerful that one can be). They could also be holding the stock version back because of that. Of course, the "don't overshadow Ferrari" point also fits, but we never know when SRT could release a more powerful Viper...

Fiat always wanted\wants to make sure Ferrari stands at the top of their pyramid as the supercar brand, whilst everybody else handles the other areas.

Um sure...the car is a 2013 MY production cycle and has had horrid sales to the point it stopped production, then dropped price and then had the team pull out of Sportscar racing after winning a championship with it. Talking about the ACR might as well be a pipe dream for the next gen model in a couple to a few years. Also the ACR has never really been about more power like what other companies (even Dodge themselves) do with these car but rather making a outright race car for the streets and giving it a slight bump, but more importantly improving everything else. Which is what I would have hoped for with the Hellcat line. And why I think people who have followed cars or even Chrysler fans should give them more flak because they clearly can engineer stuff even in bad times.

In short, why they could make the Hellcat what they did with the ACR is what I struggle with at the end of the day. Especially since the guy in charge of SRT is the same one to work in both projects.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Um sure...the car is a 2013 MY production cycle and has had horrid sales to the point it stopped production, then dropped price and then had the team pull out of Sportscar racing after winning a championship with it. Talking about the ACR might as well be a pipe dream for the next gen model in a couple to a few years. Also the ACR has never really been about more power like what other companies (even Dodge themselves) do with these car but rather making a outright race car for the streets and giving it a slight bump, but more importantly improving everything else. Which is what I would have hoped for with the Hellcat line. And why I think people who have followed cars or even Chrysler fans should give them more flak because they clearly can engineer stuff even in bad times.

In short, why they could make the Hellcat what they did with the ACR is what I struggle with at the end of the day. Especially since the guy in charge of SRT is the same one to work in both projects.

Who knows, the new Viper has been a weird story of a good car that somehow had bad sales and great racing results, only for the brand to pull it out of GTE racing altogether. I do not know much about it, but I do wonder why has the Viper been selling so badly, as you mentioned. Was it the price? The competition? It can't be because the car is terrible, it is one the best Vipers ever made (in my honest opinion). Fiat did give the SRT team enough resources to prepare the car properly for the market...

Maybe the Hellcat was meant to just be a halo car, a car meant to showcase what they can do, when the main idea is power, I don't know. The same person being in charge of both projects does not necessarily mean that he will do both with the same ideas... They're different projects, after all. The Hellcat duo are the powerhouses, uncompromising muscle cars. The ACR is the race car that somehow works on the streets and can have a license plate, that uses the best parts possible.

 

[Wolfe]

A car known first and foremost for a chest-thumping peak horsepower stat is hopelessly, Seriously Uncool.

 

[edawg456]

Sub 🤬 zero!!! I may be biased since I like muscle cars. But still, this car is freaking awesome!

 

[McLaren]

Solid axles can handle. The Boss 302 proved that.

It might be old and outdated but it doesn't plow into corners like the old ones do.

The Boss 302 also didn't try to solve the Mustang's problems by throwing power at it.

The Charger Hellcat is the classic American manufacturer mindset; throw tons of power onto an existing model, call it a day. It is virtually outdone by every performance sedan on the market because of it. The Panamera Turbo S is about as fast as it in the quarter mile despite being down on power. It's claim to being the fastest sedan on the planet is pure marketing; Bentley was at the 200Mph barrier in a sedan over a year ago & the Germans have been there since the turn of the century. All these stereotypes it can't handle aren't wrong; it's slower than XFR-S & that performance sedan is already a small tier behind the others. It's slower than CLA45, a CLS63 AMG, RS7, & a Panamera Turbo at Willow.

As @Joey D said, it's a car for tools to brag about the horsepower and nothing more.

 

[Slash]

The Boss 302 also didn't try to solve the Mustang's problems by throwing power at it.

The Charger Hellcat is the classic American manufacturer mindset; throw tons of power onto an existing model, call it a day. It is virtually outdone by every performance sedan on the market because of it. The Panamera Turbo S is about as fast as it in quarter mile despite being down on power & weight. It's claim to being the fastest sedan on the planet is pure marketing; Bentley was at the 200Mph barrier in a sedan over a year ago & the Germans have been there since the turn of the century. All these stereotypes it can't handle aren't wrong; it's slower than XFR-S & that performance sedan is already a small tier behind the others. It's slower than CLA45, a CLS63 AMG, RS7, & a Panamera Turbo at Willow.

As @Joey D said, it's a car for tools to brag about the horsepower and nothing more.

I pretty much agree with all of this.

 

[mustafur]

The Boss 302 also didn't try to solve the Mustang's problems by throwing power at it.

good thing the Charger has IRS rear Suspension, Huge brakes Higher Spec Rubber, Upgraded Transmission and Hydraulic Steering for added feel (something even Porsche has abandoned).

The Charger Hellcat is the classic American manufacturer mindset; throw tons of power onto an existing model, call it a day. It is virtually outdone by every performance sedan on the market because of it.

Oh Really?

The Panamera Turbo S is about as fast as it in the quarter mile despite being down on power.

I though you said it was Slower? Also isn't that the point? It is the most powerful Sedan for a reason, and it doesn't even have AWD to make it have artifical Acceleration from a Standstill rather then a roll(Ever see a GTR vs a M5 on a Roll, the GTR gets Pummelled).

It's claim to being the fastest sedan on the planet is pure marketing; Bentley was at the 200Mph barrier in a sedan over a year ago & the Germans have been there since the turn of the century.

Last I Heard 203MPH is faster then 200MPH, and that's not to ignore the fact its faster to 60 and quarter mile, then the Bentley.

All these stereotypes it can't handle aren't wrong; it's slower than XFR-S & that performance sedan is already a small tier behind the others. It's slower than CLA45, a CLS63 AMG, RS7, & a Panamera Turbo at Willow.

Ever driven at Willow on GT6?

Of course a 700hp is not going to be suited to that tight as hell track, not to mention everycar your comparing it to is AWD, Why not Nurburgring? Suzuka or any decent size track suited to a car that isn't AWD?

It's also Significanty cheaper then all Cars you mentioned except the CLA 45, and it's designed for a country which if you checked has mostly straight roads.

Also how many people actually track their cars, Last time I went to a track day every car was significantly modified from stock and no one apart from Supercar owners were running stock or close to stock.

Even in Australia handling based cars seem pointless outside of a track because there is next to no real places to test them properly without either being exceptionally dangerious or lose your license due to our harsh speed laws.

It's funny when people come here saying it's pointless it should be like this so it's even more pointless.

 

[Slash]

handling based cars seem pointless outside of a track because there is next to no real places to test them properly without being exceptionally dangerious.

That's how it is here. Which is why handling is not a huge priority for me at least. And the roads that are curvy aren't enough that anything that pulls over .70g on a skidpad couldn't handle at 75+mph.

 

[McLaren]

Willow springs is a tiny track suited to small wheel base and or AWD all of which the cars you are using in your comparison.

Nope, that excuse ain't gonna fly here. A 550Hp GT500, a car that followed the exact same mindset by throwing power at it, bested the Hellcat by 3 seconds.

It's also significanty cheaper then all except the CLA 45, and it's designed for a country which if you checked has mostly straight roads.

Oh, ok. So we can bring in the Best Bang for the Buck when it comes to the Hellcat having as much power as an Aventador, but as soon as we get into the actual capabilities, then it becomes, "Well, the Hellcat is cheaper, that's why it's slower".

how many people actually track their cars?

even in Australia handling based cars seem pointless outside of a track because there is next to no real places to test them properly without either being exceptionally dangerious or lose your license due to our harsh speed laws.

How many people actually use 707Hp to begin with?

 

[Tornado]

Nope, that excuse ain't gonna fly here. A 550Hp GT500, a car that followed the exact same mindset by throwing power at it, bested the Hellcat by 3 seconds.

I wonder if the 700 pound lower curb weight and 40 centimeter shorter length has something to do with that.



And Ford did an awful lot more things to the GT500 in 2010 besides just add more power.

 

[mustafur]

Nope, that excuse ain't gonna fly here. A 550Hp GT500, a car that followed the exact same mindset by throwing power at it, bested the Hellcat by 3 seconds.

Still doesn't mean anything when the track clearly isn't suitable to the car.

Oh, ok. So we can bring in the Best Bang for the Buck when it comes to the Hellcat having as much power as an Aventador, but as soon as we get into the actual capabilities, then it becomes, "Well, the Hellcat is cheaper, that's why it's slower"

Well if you ever modified a car before you will quickly realise performance costs money, so yes its a very Valid point.

It's the same reason a 520i is Slower then a M5 or a E250 Is slower then a E63.

How many people actually use 707Hp to begin with?

Good thing you need a Second key to unlock the full power otherwise it's limited to 500hp.

Which would then make it a Slightly more powerful SRT8 with significantly better: Brakes, Suspension, Tyres, Gearbox and Steering feel.

 

[McLaren]

Still doesn't mean anything when the track clearly isn't suitable to the car.

Even on the drag strip where the Hellcat is undeniably at home, it can't outrun other performance sedans.

Hellcat - 11.7 @ 125mph
RS7 - 11.5 @ 120mph
P. Turbo S - 11.9 @ 117mph.

Well if you ever modified a car before you will quickly realise performance costs money, so yes its a very Valid point.

It's the same reason a 520i is Slower then a M5 or a E250 Is slower then a E63.

We aren't talking about aftermarket mods, so I have no idea what point you're after. When we want to bring up the Hellcat's power against everyone else, no one hesitates that it makes the same power as $400,000 supercar for $340,000 less, but the instant we see how that power applies, you play the "It's cheaper, that's why it's slower".

Stock for stock is the discussion. You want to bring in the aftermarket world, & the Hellcat is just going to look even more stupid.

Good thing you need a Second key to unlock the full power otherwise it's limited to 500hp.

Which would then make it a Slightly more powerful SRT8 with significantly better: Brakes, Suspension, Tyres, Gearbox and Steering feel.

So now we have to neuter the car's power, the 1 thing Dodge is marketing the car completely around, to make it more competitive? Funniest thing I've read in the thread.

 

[mustafur]

Even on the drag strip where the Hellcat is undeniably at home, it can't outrun other performance sedans.

Hellcat - 11.7 @ 125mph
RS7 - 11.5 @ 120mph
P. Turbo S - 11.9 @ 117mph.

lets bring up a RWD car here? Look at the Speeds you can clearly tell apart from initial take off the Hellcat will blast by those two once it's moving, a simple Physics lesson will tell you that.

We aren't talking about aftermarket mods, so I have no idea what point you're after. When we want to bring up the Hellcat's power against everyone else, no one hesitates that it makes the same power as $400,000 supercar for $340,000 less, but the instant we see how that power applies, you play the "It's cheaper, that's why it's slower".

Who said anything about Aftermarket? I was just saying You have to Pay to play this applies for Stock and Aftermarket, for starters a Lambo has a Carbon tub and carbon ceramic brakes both of which would already exceed the cost of the charger, Money added to the equation helps a car make it more competitve performance wise, the fact it lacks it is obviously highlighted in the price.

Stock for stock is the discussion. You want to bring in the aftermarket world, & the Hellcat is just going to look even more stupid.

A part made by a Manufactuer that will give you Warrenty always beats aftermarket for the Value. Also at the same time a Manufactuer isn't going to spend big money on parts and hand them out for free.

So now we have to neuter the car's power, the 1 thing Dodge is marketing the car completely around, to make it more competitive? Funniest thing I've read in the thread.

So now your complaining about it being able to be the very point you would rather it be then what your complaining about.

It can be more then 1 car is the point.

Nice Corner you dug your self Into.

 

[Tornado]

Even on the drag strip where the Hellcat is undeniably at home, it can't outrun other performance sedans.

Hellcat - 11.7 @ 125mph
RS7 - 11.5 @ 120mph
P. Turbo S - 11.9 @ 117mph.

I wonder if the lack of AWD has something to do with that.




A particularly out of context example because the Charger has already begun seriously reeling in the advantage the Audi has to 60 (and is blatantly pulling away from the Porsche) according to the test you pulled those numbers from.

 

[McLaren]

lets bring up a RWD car here? Look at the Speeds you can clearly tell apart from initial take off the Hellcat will blast by those two once it's moving, a simple Physics lesson will tell you that.

So the Hellcat is faster to 150mph. It doesn't negate the fact that Dodge markets this car as a Quarter Mile car & in the quarter mile, it's no faster than other performance sedans.

You can cry about the drivetrain all day, but you won't acknowledge the horsepower/torque advantage?

So now your complaining about it being able to be the very point you would rather it be then what your complaining about.

Nice Corner you dug your self Into.

Coming from the guy who just cried the track isn't suited. The Quarter Mile times aren't relevant til' beyond the actual quarter mile. Now, we have to remove 200Hp from the car to publish better lap times.

I'm not complaining about that at all, but even being limited to 500Hp doesn't change anything. You can ask how many actually track their cars all day & the reply will still be how many people actually use 500Hp, either?

 

[mustafur]

I wonder if the lack of AWD has something to do with that.




A particularly out of context example because the Charger has already mostly eliminated the half second advantage the Audi has to 60 (and is blatantly pulling away from the Porsche) according to the test you pulled those numbers from.

Lets also forget the fact that most of the full throttle driving you would do with this car would likely happen after its already moving unless you want to buy new tyres every day.

 

[mustafur]

So the Hellcat is faster to 150mph. It doesn't negate the fact that Dodge markets this car as a Quarter Mile car & in the quarter mile, it's no faster than other performance sedans.

it actually Markets it self as the fastest Sedan Top speed Wise more then anything, which it is.

You can cry about the drivetrain all day, but you won't acknowledge the horsepower/torque advantage.

Yet you Ignore the Grip and General Physics Disadvantage in Short distance Acceleration.

The track isn't suited. The Quarter Mile times aren't relevant til' beyond the actual quarter mile. Now, we have to remove 200Hp from the car to publish better lap times.

Not every track is the same, a Small light car is more suited to a tight track but not a Big Fast track like a GP Track designed for more powerful machinery, also Who said the limiter would allow it to be faster around a track, what im saying is with the limiter you will have a more composed Machine that will be better Balanced with the extra Handling kit from the Hellcat Package, if you want a straight line monster it's there when ever you need it.

You're the one digging a whole with all these excuses.

I have already Proven to you this car is thinking more about the Power objective, Disproven your claim it isn't the fastest Sedan and explained to you how money Helps a car go faster.

and that's ignoring the fact that this car can be a composed and balanced car with the 500hp if you want to be more incontrol.

What you have essentially done is see a sterotype and try put this there, without proving anything.

 

[McLaren]

it actually Markets it self as the fastest Sedan Top speed Wise more then anything, which it is.

No, it doesn't. Dodge markets it as the most powerful, quickest, & fastest sedan ever.
http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/charger-srt-hellcat/

Be sure to note the * by each claim as well.

Yet you Ignore the Grip and General Physics Disadvantage in Short distance Acceleration.

This is you making up the excuse that the car isn't suited to the track, thus it's unfair. What makes you think Suzuka or the Nurburgring will yield different results? Suzuka is not a power track, & beyond the gigantic straight, neither is the Nurburgring.

Who said the limiter would allow it to be faster around a track, what im saying is with the limiter you will have a more composed Machine that will be better Balanced with the extra Handling kit from the Hellcat Package, if you want a straight line monster it's there when ever you need it.

You said it will be a SRT8 with better brakes, tires, & suspension. Problem is the Hellcat even with just 500Hp isn't going to magically improve circuit times by the margins it's behind already.

Or do we get to pick and choose which track the Hellcat can & can't have 700Hp to post the best lap times?

I have already Proven to you this car is thinking more about the Power objective, Disproven your claim it isn't the fastest Sedan and explained to you how money Helps a car go faster.

Proving something means providing evidence, not crying that none of the times are fair.

and that's ignoring the fact that this car can be a composed and balanced car with the 500hp if you want to be more incontrol.

Except you haven't proven this at all. You claim it is, but there's zero evidence to suggest the car performs any better on the track. It certainly won't in the area the entire car is marketed which is speed, the area the competition isn't having any trouble running with despite Dodge's extra horsepower/torque advantages.

What you have essentially done is see a sterotype and try put this there, without proving anything.

Since you whined about the track, I brought up compared times against the Dodge on its home turf on the drag strip. This is the biggest area Dodge has been marketing both Hellcats, going as far as to fit non-OEM street legal drag radials just to boast even more above the competition.

You're the one yet to post anything similar except be right that the Dodge is faster in the top end. Nice, it beat the competition in 1 category. Too bad that doesn't give it victory elsewhere.

 

[Tornado]

So the Hellcat is faster to 150mph. It doesn't negate the fact that Dodge markets this car as a Quarter Mile car & in the quarter mile, it's no faster than other performance sedans.

It's actually significantly faster, and one of those performance sedans you chose literally costs 3 times as much. A set of nicer tires on the rear (a common element of drag strips) or a lucky launch and there would be no contest.

You're the one digging a whole with all these excuses.

You're the one not actually basing any of your arguments on anything but extremely cherry picked performance standards, so not really. The Hellcat sucks because it isn't as fast around a track as some AWD sedans it doesn't really compete with (an A45? ) but whatever, even though at least one early test of the car specifically praised its handling in comparison to one of said cars. The Hellcat sucks because as a full size sedan it wasn't faster around a short technical track than a significantly smaller, significantly lighter car that managed to be so amazingly faster than the norm for Mustangs that it also notably blew the Mercedes SLS AMG and Nissan GT-R out of the water. The Hellcat sucks because it is clearly dramatically faster in the quarter mile than any other sedan on the market, but is limited enough by traction in the handful of tests performed so far that it can't quite overcome the advantage that the more expensive Audi RS7 has when it uses its most-certainly-clutch-destroying launch control (even as it's leaving the even more expensive Porsche behind).




If anything you've done nothing but prove how good of a car it is for its price. $66,000 for a full size sedan that can almost keep up with an original GT-R?

 

[mustafur]

No, it doesn't. Dodge markets it as the most powerful, quickest, & fastest sedan ever.
http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/charger-srt-hellcat/

Be sure to note the * by each claim as well.

Your right on the Quarter Mile claim because they are making that Figure with Drag radials, it may still be the fastest if the other cars also used Drag Radials as RWD will get the maximum advantage from extra Grip but this would not technically be stock.

However everything else is correct and im sure you would know that as well.

This is you making up the excuse that the car isn't suited to the track, thus it's unfair. What makes you think Suzuka or the Nurburgring will yield different results? Suzuka is not a power track, & beyond the gigantic straight, neither is the Nurburgring.

For F1 Maybe, but Suzuka for a production car is definetely a more power orientated track With only 2 tight Corners, Also the Majority of Nurburgring is medium to high speed so yes this would be more up the alley of a car with this power.

You said it will be a SRT8 with better brakes, tires, & suspension. Problem is the Hellcat even with just 500Hp isn't going to magically improve circuit times by the margins it's behind already.

when did I say in words it would improve lap times, it would certainly improve laptimes over a SRT8 but limiting the power to 500HP over 700HP wouldn't and I never claimed it would, what I said was it would make it more composed not faster, the power would be more balanced with the extra handling kit, where as the 707hp would be more weighted to power.

Or do we get to pick and choose which track the Hellcat can & can't have 700Hp to post the best lap times?

You used one track that is more suited to high grip AWD or lower powered cars and claimed it to be the all to end all, not all tracks are the same and not all tracks give the same results.

Proving something means providing evidence, not crying that none of the times are fair.

Do you want me to seriously prove why AWD can get off the line faster then RWD?

Except you haven't proven this at all. You claim it is, but there's zero evidence to suggest the car performs any better on the track. It certainly won't in the area the entire car is marketed which is speed, the area the competition isn't having any trouble running with despite Dodge's extra horsepower/torque advantages.

Unlike a Straight no track is really the same sure there is no evidence but 1 track that targets the weakest areas of this car and the strongest of the cars you compared it to isn't what I would call a balanced comparison.

Since you whined about the track, I brought up compared times against the Dodge on its home turf on the drag strip. This is the biggest area Dodge has been marketing both Hellcats, going as far as to fit non-OEM street legal drag radials just to boast even more above the competition.

to be fully fair if you where to regularly drag this car you would probably have drag radials but in all honestly it's just a benchmark for a useless statistic, how many people race off every Traffic line?

You're the one yet to post anything similar except be right that the Dodge is faster in the top end. Nice, it beat the competition in 1 category. Too bad that doesn't give it victory elsewhere.

Well it does allow itself to be bought by more people allowing more people into this performance bracket.

either way what I am saying is there is more to a car then Drag times and Track Times.
Your basically claiming since X is faster around X track this car is a Power monster that gives little to anything else.

What I am saying is in Real world it works perfectly, it can be a family sedan one day, a balanced car another and if you put the second key in it can be a hoon to blast on a highway.

Combine that with it being significantly cheaper then it's competition that do the same its well worth it.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This, this right here is why this car is Uncool.

 

[CarBastard]

This, this right here is why this car is Uncool.

BURN! I got no words to describe how epic this comment is.

 

[McLaren]

either way what I am saying is there is more to a car then Drag times and Track Times.
Your basically claiming since X is faster around X track this car is a Power monster that gives little to anything else.

What I am saying is in Real world it works perfectly, it can be a family sedan one day, a balanced car another and if you put the second key in it can be a hoon to blast on a highway.

Combine that with it being significantly cheaper then it's competition that do the same its well worth it.

And what I'm saying is it's a car as Joey called it, for tools, because there's nothing more to it than that 700Hp tag line.

It isn't winning any track battles, it's just not engineered that way. And in the 1 area Dodge heavily markets this car as the King of sedans in, drag racing, you just said it's, "a benchmark for a useless statistic, how many people race off every Traffic line?" So, why else do you buy this car? Because it lets you tell all your bros you've got 700Hp under the hood.

I couldn't care less about the cost, it's a dick-swinger's car.

 

[Slash]

And yet, it'll still roast pretty much anything on the street.

Why does it even matter?

 

[Tornado]

Because what's the point of a confirmation bias if you can't project it?


There's been some sort of really amusing revisionist history regarding the Charger and especially the Challenger ever since the Camaro was restyled, so when the Hellcats came out and the various car magazines actually really liked them even in comparison to the mythical ZL1 Camaro there needs to be something to fall back on.