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GTP WTAC --- WTACers Tuning Advices and Driving Tips ---
Hi !
As most of us have some tuning issues, I thought it would be great to have a thread that shows what was said here on WTAC about tuning and other driving tips so that we can refresh our memory or learn about who said what ! I sure must have missed some great posts so please do accept my apologies and add the missing ones
! This thread is also open to all the tuning advices you could give : the websites you found interesting, the tuning you used and loved, some guidlines to follow, etc. !
I hope this is and will be helpful !
A special THANK YOU goes to Sir Lion-Face
(after reading this, you'll know why we call him Sir Lion-Face !!!) !L-F Tuning ! (GTP WTAC Week 02 : Sweet Apricot..., Apricot Hill Raceway - Reverse, Audi A4 Touring Car '04 and Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00 / Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00)
I got the 'sweet' backwards, but didn't guess the track for the life of me!
Anywho, I thought I would post 'my progress' to help out other TACers and give players a target to aim for and help improve their own times and driving style.
Before you read on. I don't believe I'm the best, I'm not the best at setting up a car and I'm always learning. I believe you get better by practice and through experience. This is just a guide to give those interested some direction and help, a look at things from a different perspective, take from it what you will but don't take it as the be all and end all of how to drive/setup your car.
So, below attached is my current ghost lap, in the Audi, with a time of 1:22.114. You can load this onto your PSP and load it up in Time Trial mode to race against.
My setup I used for this lap so far is...
No aids.
Front/Rear
Aero - 32/56
Ride Height - 0/0
Spring Rate - 6/4
Damper - 4/4
Toe - -0.05/-0.05
Camber Angle - 1.0/0.5
My setup thought process.
I always set Toe to 0/0 and Camber to 0/0. If possible, MAX/MAX on Aero and Half the numbers on Spring Rate and Damper. Ride Height set at 0/0. This is my default settings that I will start to put laps down on to make a serious attempt at a time.
I don't believe in changing them till at least 50laps in. 50Laps you should have a good feeling for the car and the track and know the basic ins and outs of each. From there I can start to tweak the car one setting at a time. In this case so far, I recognized my base setup wasn't quite quick enough at changing direction which this track calls for. So I tweaked the Toe a little to provide a quicker turn response and made my front spring rate stiffer.
After getting a better turn in response, providing me with a slightly faster lap time in the chicane and esses, I looked at improving my corner holding ability, as there are a few corners at Apricot Hill which are very long and smooth with little change in direction. So I upped the Camber slightly, and am now holding a faster speed through the longer corners.
I'm still fairly early on. After further testing I'm looking for this track is strengthening the springs/damper and lowering ride height, and of course continue to tweak current settings to see if there is any more to be gained/changes.
I expect to be in the 1:21.xxx soon and hopefully my final time for the Audi will be in the 1:20.xxx, but at the moment thats a while off, and I also have another car to drive, so only so much time can be spent in one car!
Hope this helps someone, and good luck to everyone competing!
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L-F Stock tuning (GTP WTAC Week 19: Big Performance From Little Packages,Autumn Ring (forward), HPA Motorsports Stage II R32 ‘04 & Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car
I only set a 0 rear toe, I haven't touched any other settings, ran 5x 3laps arcade S rank race then 10 laps TT.
About L-F Tuning, I only uses it for Race Cars, those with these default settings :
6 6 8 8
0.00 +0.20 2.0 1.0 ...
Stock cars usually have these default settings :
2 2 1 1
0.00 +0.20 0 0
You will easily agree that L-F tuning here seems to be hard to do -except for the rear toe- !!! (I usually do the "Reverse L-F tuning" : spring&damper x2, but I might be wrong, I'm very bad at tuning !!!)
The HPA is a tuned car and has its own default settings, so I just set a 0 to rear toe because this setting seems to be THE default setting for -almost- All cars ! Once I know the car better , I'll try to set both camber to 0 to "feel" the difference... and then try L-F tuning.
The Toyota is a Race Car, you can be sure I'll set the L-F tuning for my very first lap !!!
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Lion-Face Ferrari Enzo '02 setup : GTP WTAC Week 04 : Le Prince Francescoli, Midfield Raceway - Forward, Enzo Ferrari (SP Model or not) '02 (or Enzo Ferrari (SP Model or not) '02 + Ferrari F2007) :
Love the pic easy!
This is a tough one, PJ-FFL came out of nowhere with that time! I just hope he hasn't improved!
I'm currently down to 1:15.1xx in a clean lap, but with dirty laps with splits that'll hit 1:14.9xx so I'm hoping to end up in the 1:14's by the end of the week.
I have no setup advice for this one, its tough. Any tweaking often ends up in more turn in but more difficult to get the power down and keep the car in a straight line. Currently I'm using my setup that I used back in the supercar challenge at Valencia. Whether its correct or not I don't know, currently its quick, but its very hard to be consistent. This week is more about car control than setup.
For those interested, my setup is....
Ride Height - +0/+3
Springs - 5/1
Damper - 3/1
Toe - 0/0
Camber - 1.5/0
No aids - If anything, you could try a small TCS, maybe 1 or 2, but anything more and you'll be losing more than your gaining.
This setup was for Valencia, which is a completely different track to Midfield. Valencia was all one corner at a time, brake hard, turn, accel out. Midfield has a lot of double corners where you can take as one turn with 2 apexs' but relies on being able to adjust the speed of the car while the car may not be 50/50 balanced. Thats my take on it, the default setup of the Enzo isn't too bad, it allows you to get the power down but I feel its a little too understeery for my liking, so somewhere between the default setup and my setup might be ideal.
First split you should be aiming for a 0:24.000 or better. The second split I've been hitting is below 0:48.000 If you hitting these splits, you should be able to break into the 1:15 barrier.
Couple of corner tips....
First corner, braking down to approx 110kph as you apex, and run the car all the way out to the outside ripple strip to take a wide line into the 2nd corner. You should be able to apex the second corner about 130-135 and smoothly accel out of there without running wide.
Third corner you need to lightly brake down to approx 160kph and roll through the right hand corner, taking a late apex you should be able to go full throttle out of the third corner, taking the fourth left hand reasonably straight and clipping the outside ripple strip on your way out. An early shift to 5th gear at approx 180-190kph sometimes helps keep the car under control.
Fifth corner - Bridge - the first apex isn't too important, just get the car slowed down enough to roll through the corner, even in the middle of the track, what your aiming for is a nice apex through turn 6 in the tunnel so you can exit turn six on the right hand side of the track to set you up for the left hand hairpin.
Hairpin, turn seven. Long hairpin, you can lightly brake and let the car roll around the corner just tapping the accel. Nearer the end of the corner I let the car drop to approx 110kph to take a late apex and accel as straight as possible. Accel too early here is easy to do and means you run out of road quickly.
Turn 8 and 9, Full speed at the apex of 8, clip the ripple strip, then brake for 9, you should be able to drop to about 160kph for the apex of turn 9 before getting back on the brakes for turn 10
Turn 10 - generally coming from turn 9 about the middle of the track, brake and turn towards the apex down to about 75kph, hug the ripple strip through most of the corner. A smooth exit here is vital for a good time, and the camber of the road helps keep the power down.
Turn 11 - I find turning in early and maintaining between 150-160kph through the apex will set you up for a full throttle turn 12.
Turn 12 - An early apex here at full throttle should give you plenty of room to run wide at the exit and take a nice straight line as the road crests. An early shift into 5th gear can settle the car and keep the power down as you come over the hill.
This was meant to be a quick post, but I got carried awayHope this helps someone in some way, its just approx my line through the track with the Enzo on S3's and my setup above. Don't worry too much about the speeds, they are not the 'minimum's just approx of the top of my head, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, but it should give you something to aim for as you get a feel for the track. As I said above, I believe this track and car combo is more about driver skill and knowledge than setup, so stick to one setup and run lap after lap. You will improve your time with practice here, not car settings.
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Lion-Face Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car setup : GTP WTAC Week 05 : Chinook !, Seattle Circuit - Forward, Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00 and Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car :
Lion-Face Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00 setup : GTP WTAC Week 05 : Chinook !, Seattle Circuit - Forward, Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00 and Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car :
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Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
Pro Physics
No Aids
R1/R1
1:30.454
I didn't go back and attempt my time with the FTO again, I spent my time making money to buy the Mercedes, which I have done in the past hour or so and have put about 20laps into it for this time. The Mercedes rode the curbs a lot better than the FTO, so you could run the suspension a bit harder and lower the ride height slightly. The Merc was faster down the straight and had a better turn in, but had a bit of understeer on corner exit, and being rear wheel, had some trouble getting the power down out of some of the slower corners.
My final setup for the Merc was.
Aero Max/Max
Ride Heigh -3/-3
Springs 4/4
Damper 5/5
Toe 0/-0.5
Camber 0/0
Although I only did a few laps with the Merc, I don't know whether it would have beaten the FTO. It was faster through the first and last sectors, but lost out heavily in the middle sector and I'm not sure if putting more time into the car would have produced a faster lap.
Really enjoyed this weeks challenge. Seattle has been a favorite of mine since GT2 and the Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car has always been a frequently run car in my garage throughout all the Gran Turismos. Here's hoping that its a 'Premium' Car for GT5!
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Lion-Face Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 setup : GTP WTAC Week 06 : Nightmare Week !, Motorland - Reverse, Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 :
My tuning was....based off your tuning. After a few laps on default settings, and then running your settings, it was obvious the harder setup worked better, but too hard and you couldn't ride the curbs which you needed to through the first section of the track. This was what I used for my submitted laptime.
Ride Height -18/-14
Spring Rate 7/8
Damper 3/4
Toe +0.05/-0.10
Camber 1.6/2.4
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Lion-Face BMW M3 GTR '03 setup : GTP WTAC Week 07 : Greystoke ! : Deep Forest - Reverse, BMW M3 GTR '03 AND BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01 :
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Lion-Face BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 setup : GTP WTAC Week 08 : Old School !, Grand Valley Speedway - Forward, BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 vs Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II :
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easyasashii Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99 + Ford Focus Rally Car '99 setup : GTP WTAC Week 09 : Assisi !, Città di Aria - Reverse, Ford Focus Rally Car '99 vs Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99 :
I might not have the time to play + post before deadline so I'll post these two first just in case !
Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99 : 1'33.813
I'm a little bit desappointed by this time because I have several unclean laptimes under 1'33.5xx so I should be able to do better than that ! First split 0'24.420 whereas I usually have a 0'24.2xx and even saw 0'23.9xx twice, then second splits 0'53.071 whereas I usually have a 0'52.xxx... Well...) Here are my settings :
Aero Max/Max
Ride Height 0/0
Springs 2/2
Damper 8/8
Toe 0/0
Camber 0/0
(basically default setting for spring damper and all other set to 0)
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Ford Focus Rally Car '99 : 1'33.140
Pretty happy with this one and I would like to work more with the Peugeot so...
1'32.xxx is definitely possible !
My tuning :
Aero Max/Max
Ride Height -10/-10
Springs 2/2
Damper 8/8
Toe 0/0
Camber 0/0
I almost made another Peugeot
Good luck !
Sylar Ford Focus Rally Car '99 setup : GTP WTAC Week 09 : Assisi !, Città di Aria - Reverse, Ford Focus Rally Car '99 vs Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99 :
Lion-Face Ford Focus Rally Car '99 setup : GTP WTAC Week 09 : Assisi !, Città di Aria - Reverse, Ford Focus Rally Car '99 vs Peugeot 206 Rally Car '99 :
My tuning so far.....
Downforce Max/Max
Ride Height -20/-15
Springs 6/5
Damper 4/4
Toe +0.05/-0.10
Camber 0/0
Makes the car a little loose but responds better to quick turns and better corner speeds. Just watch the exit of some of those corners as the camber of the road can easily push you into a wall...
I haven't put much testing into it so far, still early days, but may give you something to play with if you feel the setup could be better. Work in progress, although I feel that those settings will be what I end up with, as a quick time here is about putting in the laps and a little bit of luck
EDIT: With the Ford Focus.
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Lion-Face Tips for WTAC : GTP WTAC Week 12: Take it EASY, Grand Valley East (reverse), Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe '99 & Renault 5 Turbo '80 :
Welcome red ice
A few tips for the WTAC.
In a combo car week, I would advise running one car for the majority of the week. Pick the hardest car of the two that is on offer, and race that car for a good 4-5 days. Then, using the last day or so of the week, run the other car, you will find it much easier to set a quick time with the 2nd car seeing as you know the track and have a lot of laps under your belt, you can quickly bring the second car up to speed. You will find this a good way of setting more consistent times, rather than jumping between cars every few laps as you don't have to re-learn each car after driving the other.
Basic car setups. Always start with toe = 0/0 (front/rear) and camber = 0/0 (front/rear). The default settings in the game are geared towards understeer, making the car harder to turn in and accel early. And getting either one of these settings wrong can affect top speed/accel down the straights, so its often best to set these to 0 and see how you go from there. My time below was set on the default settings and setting the toe = 0/0.
Be smooth, brake early and straight, accelerate smoothly, tapping the accelerator and be gentle. No sudden movements with the steering. The smoother you are, the faster you will go. Its all about keeping the car in balance and in check.
Practice practice practice. The best times come from knowledge of the car/track more so than setup. A setup can squeeze a small amount of time out of a car, but the majority of faster time comes with track time. The more laps you put in, the better understanding of the car you have and how to take each corner.
After 10laps in the Hommell I have a time of 1:18.695.
A rough lap goes like this...
Turn 1 (fast left) - Brake just before the 50m sign and ease the car into the corner, apex about 145kmph. Let the car run a little wide for the next corner...4th gear
Turn 2 (slower left) - Brake coming out of the last corner and as you enter this one, apexing the corner at about 110kmph. 3rd Gear
Turn 3 (right kink) - Flat out up the hill, stick to the right of the road.
Turn 4 (left into tunnel) - you can take this faster than what it may appear. Just a dab on the brakes, clip the inside curb and keep pulling left. Use the raised curb inside the tunnel to prevent you running too far right and into the wall, move to left of track for next corner. 3rd gear
Turn 5 (tight right hander out of tunnel) - Where the curb opens up inside the tunnel is your braking point. Brake down into 2nd gear and apex this corner at around 75kmph. 2nd gear.
Because I've only done 8 laps, I haven't played around with my line through this corner, although I suspect taking a slower apex and sticking further to the right as you exit this corner will lead to a better lap time overall.
Turn 6 (double apex left - first apex) - Just release the throttle and roll through the apex, get on the power when you can as its full throttle from here on to the hairpin. The earlier the better, but that will depend on your line from the last corner.
Turn 7 (double apex left - second apex) - Full throttle, clip the curb on the inside and ride the car out wide maximizing speed.
Turn 8/9/10 (right flick, fast left, easy right chicane over the hill) - Flat out through here, hug the inside of the first right, bring the car across to clip the apex through the left over the crest, and let the car run wide as you come down the hill through the easy right hander as you rejoin back with Grand Valley Speedway.
Turn 11 (Hairpin) - Braking approx halfway between 100m and 50m sign (roughly where the curb begins on the right side of the road, brake down to around 85kmph and roll around the inside of the corner, keep it tidy, and accel as you near the exit of the corner, do it too soon and you'll be off the track, be patient and you'll get a good run out of the corner and down the main straight. 3rd gear.
As I said, its a rough lap, I've only done 8 laps in the car so it is only the beginning. Take it as a guide to help you get started but don't be afraid to mix it up if you think you have a better way of taking a corner/speed/gear etc. Hope it helps some.
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Lion-Face TVR Tamora '02 & Shelby Series One Super Charged '03 setup : GTP WTAC Week 14 : Top Down Throw Down, New York (reverse), TVR Tamora '02 & Shelby Series One Super Charged '03 :
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Sylar HPA Motorsports Stage II R32 '04 setup : GTP WTAC Week 19: Big Performance From Little Packages,Autumn Ring (forward), HPA Motorsports Stage II R32 ‘04 & Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car :
Detroitbb tips :
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Lion-Face Analog and Driving Tips : GTP WTAC Week 23 : Gone But Not Forgotten, Twin Ring Motegi Road Course, Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA (JGTC) '01 & Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S (JGTC) '00 :
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Lion-Face Rally Tips GTP WTAC Week 28 : Rally Challenge presented by rpr101, Tahiti Maze (forward), Toyota Celica GT-Four Rally Car (ST205) '95 & Subaru Impreza '99 :
I'm not big on rallying either, but the concept of going fast is the same as on tarmac.
My general tips are:
You have to brake before the turn, trail off the braking while turning in, give the car a boot of power to swing the back around and control the angle of drift with the accelerator. When you see the exit of the corner, you need to tap the accelerator to regain traction and accelerate forward and out of the corner.
If your still sliding sideways as your exiting the corner, you losing time, you need to be going forward as soon as your past the apex, and the most important corners are the ones that lead onto the long straights.
Its fairly basic stuff, but its often the basics that give you the best speed and times. Tahiti Maze isn't a difficult rally course, plenty of switchbacks but if you can nail one, thats 50% of the track. The difficulty is the length and consistency and keeping off the walls that makes a good lap tricky. Braking too late on tarmac can cost you a tenth or two, braking too late on dirt can put you into the wall.
Brake early, keep tight lines through the switchbacks and don't get too sideways on the fast sections.
So far I'm in the last 1:26's after a handful of laps in the Subaru. I need everyone to be fast this week, if Pitch isn't going to be posting a fast time, I need him down the results sheets as much as possible if I'm going to make it 2 WTAC's in a row
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Detroitbb TCS experience GTP WTAC Week 29 : easyasashii's Ruf Riders, Fuji Speedway (90's), RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87 & RUF CTR2 '96 :
Dan360 Fuji Driving Tip
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Dan360 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '09 setup at Nurburgring !!! GTP WTAC Week Off : Sesame, Open Leaderboards !!!
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red ice Tuning experience GTP WTAC Week 39 : Battle For 2009, Nurburgring, Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 & Nissan GT-R SpecV '09 :
It does handle better being an AWD car. It tends to understeer at corners so it will balance out those very fast turns at the RING. Its better to learn the track using the GT-R. It requires less steering input and feels a lot safer than the ZR-1. It is also better to have a higher ride height and soft springs/dampers due to nature of the track...BUMPY, UNEVEN SURFACE, HIGH CURBS/RUMBLE STRIPS. The GT-R accelerates with tremendous grip while cornering. The key to the track is balance and avoiding high-speed braking while one of your tires are over the grass or a high curb as it will tend to make your car spin out. This is because when braking weight is naturally thrown forward to your Front tires, making one of the rear tires lose traction and won't be able to grip. It can be opposite scenario also that the Front will lose grip when Driving high speed and you touch a greater part of grass or uneven surface. The cars balance is very important here. I also think setting the Front Toe-In makes the car turn easier but loses turn response on larger turns.
FRont Toe-In--(Plus Zero) Increases Initial Turn-In but decreases Grip while cornering.
Front Toe-Out--(Minus Zero) Decreases Initial Turn-In but Increases overall Grip during the corner.
The RING does not have too many sweepers so I will try out setting the front tires to a slight Toe-In. The logic being, easy Turn then Accelerate Out quickly.
Correct Corner entry angle is enough to get a proper exit speed which is needed to get faster lap times.
OUT-IN-OUT. Maximizing the Curbs can be an advantage too. Just try to remember the WTAC rules regarding clean or unclean laps.
I'm not a fast driver in the Ring but I can pull off some clean laps.
Dan360 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 setup :
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MVR08 Dodge VIPER GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car '00 setup : GTP WTAC Week 50 : Viperidae, Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course, Dodge VIPER GTS '99 & Dodge VIPER GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car '00 :
Thanks, and sure there you go...
Feel free to add your own setups / advices or the posts you loved here
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