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[Masi_23]

Righto. First system. Needs a bit more tweaking though.

As for the Penalty System:

Replays will be requested directly from the drivers involved. If unable, Hosts will provide them (by the way of teh YouTubes). Here's how the process will go down.

Let's say its a PAL race.

• Race Over (friday)
• All Results Final
• 1 incident reported with possible offense (avoidable contact resulting to damage)
• replay video/clip uploaded and forwarded to independent stewards (still friday)
• Independent Stewards deliberate
• Timeline for process of deliberation: Right when the incident report is received with the replay - with a deadline of Thursday (right before the next race)
• We can have the deadline longer also.
• Penalties will be handed out if deserved (25 seconds for avoidable contact resulting to damage)
• adding 25 seconds to total time equates to losing 1 spot, which in-turn, is minus 3 points (just for example).
• 3 points deducted.

 

[OwensRacing]

I agree that the first point system is the more efficient one. Points should be awarded for each finishing position otherwise you're pretty much encouraging back markers to quit, whether it be a race or the series. That one should work just fine 👍

Bonus points!

For finishing a race.

Qualifying positions

Leading a lap

Most laps led

 

[Masi_23]

* If you look closely, the difference between heat 1 and heat 2 is equal to the single feature system (from 1st through 8th).
* Must finish 90% of race to be awarded championship points - just like in S2.

Proposed (Mid-Lap Bonus)
* Lead the mid-point Lap and earn 1 Bonus Point (with this, max points any given race is 40)

 

[twistedfirework]

* If you look closely, the difference between heat 1 and heat 2 is equal to the single feature system (from 1st through 8th).
* Must finish 90% of race to be awarded championship points - just like in S2.

Proposed (Mid-Lap Bonus)
* Lead the mid-point Lap and earn 1 Bonus Point (with this, max points any given race is 40)

I like it. Well done masi. When are we getting the car lists to start testing?

 

[paulmac2k9]

One question , Im assuming that 1st to 16th equals to 1st in d1 and last in d2 (16th) so wont the d2 sprint be for no points since d1 would be 1st-8th.....

 

[Masi_23]

I like it. Well done masi. When are we getting the car lists to start testing?

Testing is still under way - still a lot of work - specially in GT300. Final specs will be announced before the Qualifier ends. Hopefully before Christmas.

One question im assuming that 1st to 16th equals to 1st in d1 and last in d2 (16th) so wont the d2 sprint be for no points since d1 would be 1st-8th.....

Mixed Class races will not have dual heats.

 

[CSLACR]

One question im assuming that 1st to 16th equals to 1st in d1 and last in d2 (16th) so wont the d2 sprint be for no points since d1 would be 1st-8th.....

Good catch. Of course that's for dual heats only, but good catch.👍

EDIT: Also, I'm a fan of overlapping division systems, tbh.
Meaning it's easier to finish last in D1 then first in D2. As such, I think for dual heat races, the top 1-2 in D2 should get more points then the bottom 1-2 in D1.

 

[Masi_23]

Not a fan.

My only argument with that is you should've qualified better.

Still, there are options if majority thinks otherwise. Here are some ideas i have.

1. Lead Lap Finish - If any of the bottom three D1 finishers finishes 1 lap down, his spot will be replaced by the top finisher in D2. Only bottom three in D1 and top three in D2 (must finish in lead lap) is affected by this rule. Likewise, if a driver does not finish the race (90%) in D1, finishing positions will move up from D2 accordingly (So theoretically, any driver in D2 can finish second overall).

2. Total Time - Bottom three in D1 and bottom three in D2 will have total time calculated to determine final positions. Only bottom three in D1 and top three D2 is affected.

I prefer numero uno.

 

[twistedfirework]

Not a fan.

My only argument with that is you should've qualified better.

Still, there are options if majority thinks otherwise. Here are some ideas i have.

1. Lead Lap Finish - If any of the bottom three D1 finishers finishes 1 lap down, his spot will be replaced by the top finisher in D2. Only bottom three in D1 and top three in D2 (must finish in lead lap) is affected by this rule. Likewise, if a driver does not finish the race (90%) in D1, finishing positions will move up from D2 accordingly (So theoretically, any driver in D2 can finish second overall).

2. Total Time - Bottom three in D1 and bottom three in D2 will have total time calculated to determine final positions. Only bottom three in D1 and top three D2 is affected.

I prefer numero uno.

I think either overlap the points or the top 7 are the top 7.

 

[Masi_23]

Any comments from others?

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[Paginas1]

I quite like the idea when top d2 get more or same as bottom on d1

but i m not that fused

 

[Masi_23]

Overlap? or this:

1. Lead Lap Finish - If any of the bottom three D1 finishers finishes 1 lap down, his spot will be replaced by the top finisher in D2. Only bottom three in D1 and top three in D2 (must finish in lead lap) is affected by this rule. Likewise, if a driver does not finish the race (90%) in D1, finishing positions will move up from D2 accordingly (So theoretically, any driver in D2 can finish second overall).

 

[twistedfirework]

Overlap for me

 

[doctsuru_69]

toyotsupra
Great setup how much did that cost decent size Display aswell?
Are those 3D glasses?

Online stores don't ship to the Philippine so I customized my own race seat. Total Cost: USD 143 ($33 - 2nd hand car seat, $75 - labor cost for welding the frame, $12 - wooden plank, $23 - 1 1/4" metal pipes).
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/album.php?albumid=1589
Yes, 3d glasses

Masi_23
You should step it up another level and invest on a triple screen setup (with 3D - yes, i believe its possible).

I’m looking into that, but I don’t know how it’s done. Maybe when I set up my 2nd rig next year (after buying the Fanatec ClubSport wheel, hehe).

 

[doctsuru_69]

I like overlap.

 

[CSLACR]

Not a fan.

My only argument with that is you should've qualified better.

Still, there are options if majority thinks otherwise. Here are some ideas i have.

1. Lead Lap Finish - If any of the bottom three D1 finishers finishes 1 lap down, his spot will be replaced by the top finisher in D2. Only bottom three in D1 and top three in D2 (must finish in lead lap) is affected by this rule. Likewise, if a driver does not finish the race (90%) in D1, finishing positions will move up from D2 accordingly (So theoretically, any driver in D2 can finish second overall).

2. Total Time - Bottom three in D1 and bottom three in D2 will have total time calculated to determine final positions. Only bottom three in D1 and top three D2 is affected.

I prefer numero uno.

I think generally "total time" is the same as overlap. (usually the D2 winner runs faster then dead last in D1, easily - that's part of my point)
Not having a shot at finishing 7th, solely because you qualified 8th sucks.

As I think about it "total time" is imo, the best way to go, it ensures nobody in D2 gets points they don't deserve, and guys at the back of D1 can't run a good race and miss out that way, it's less "automatic".
But this will take calculation (basic math) to deduct the outlaps time from each race.

 

[Masi_23]

Pretty much all of them are the same idea.

We'll see about it.

Anyway, i'm planning races next week (PAL and NTSC) using the Qualifier cars. More info soon.

 

[twistedfirework]

I think generally "total time" is the same as overlap. (usually the D2 winner runs faster then dead last in D1, easily - that's part of my point)
Not having a shot at finishing 7th, solely because you qualified 8th sucks.

As I think about it "total time" is imo, the best way to go, it ensures nobody in D2 gets points they don't deserve, and guys at the back of D1 can't run a good race and miss out that way, it's less "automatic".
But this will take calculation (basic math) to deduct the outlaps time from each race.

What if the car that wins div 2 has a quicker time than the winner of div 1? You can run the same race twice with different people and clock a different time. If you are racing with slower drivers you are going to be quicker. You don't get caught by anyone nor would you have to defend. I think the overlap system used last season was perfect.

 

[Masi_23]

I'll have a decision today along with an OP update. Happy Turkey Day to all

 

[NEPALII]

Like Masi said, D2 top drivers should have qualified better and dont deserve to have more points than D1 bottom. Just keep the qualifying system like before, whatever is your time will set the Division you race in for the weekend.

 

[CSLACR]

Like Masi said, D2 top drivers should have qualified better and dont deserve to have more points than D1 bottom. Just keep the qualifying system like before, whatever is your time will set the Division you race in for the weekend.

If you consider qualifying to be a major factor in every race, yes.

However, I don't see how a good qualifying lap followed by a terrible race finishing a lap down should be rewarded as "better" then qualifying .001 slower, and dominating with a flawless race to take the D2 win.

To me, total time separates the difference.
If qualifying were such a definitive quality to determine finishing order, then dead last in D1 would run a faster overall time then the winner of D2 anyway.
Considering he couldn't possibly catch the cars that qualified faster in front, right? (therefore dead last in D1 can't be held up)


Keep in mind, I say this having never ran in D2 once so far. Always qualified D1 when I needed to, and certainly didn't run races that would have beaten the D2 winners, I don't think even once.

 

[Masi_23]

Can't update OP. My wireless keyboard's receiver broke. Another thing added for tonight's shopping list.

It's either total time or lead lap. I think having two points system is enough.

 

[twistedfirework]

If you consider qualifying to be a major factor in every race, yes.

However, I don't see how a good qualifying lap followed by a terrible race finishing a lap down should be rewarded as "better" then qualifying .001 slower, and dominating with a flawless race to take the D2 win.

To me, total time separates the difference.
If qualifying were such a definitive quality to determine finishing order, then dead last in D1 would run a faster overall time then the winner of D2 anyway.
Considering he couldn't possibly catch the cars that qualified faster in front, right? (therefore dead last in D1 can't be held up)

Keep in mind, I say this having never ran in D2 once so far. Always qualified D1 when I needed to, and certainly didn't run races that would have beaten the D2 winners, I don't think even once.

I believe that you can only win the race that you are in. You could always look at it another way.
The cars running in 6th and 7th could be battling for position for the whole race, thus slowing each other down. Would it be fair to then place the car that won div2 ahead of them? As things stand there are only 4 mixed class races. Quallifying will play a huge part. I have never ran in div 1, so this isn't looking out for myself. It's just what I believe us fair.

 

[CSLACR]

Can't update OP. My wireless keyboard's receiver broke. Another thing added for tonight's shopping list.

It's either total time or lead lap. I think having two points system is enough.

I was originally thinking of a more simplified version, that was automatic, total race time, etc leads into debates.
Maybe the most simplified, would be first over last only. Meaning first in D2 gets points for 7th, essentially, and 7th in D1 gets points for 8th.
Just first and last, it's to me the most obvious, to someone with a different view, the least debatable, etc.

I believe that you can only win the race that you are in. You could always look at it another way.
The cars running in 6th and 7th could be battling for position for the whole race, thus slowing each other down. Would it be fair to then place the car that won div2 ahead of them? As things stand there are only 4 mixed class races. Quallifying will play a huge part. I have never ran in div 1, so this isn't looking out for myself. It's just what I believe us fair.

That's a fair point, and it is possible. But from what I recall of Season 2, that was not once the case, nor close to.
9 times out of 10, whomever finishes last in D1 is going to have made a much bigger mistake somewhere in the race then the winner of D2.

So while either scenario can happen, I have to side with the far greater (imo) scenario, which is the driver winning against 6 competitors running a better, faster race then the driver that loses to all 6 of his competitors, even if one group is faster then the other.

 

[twistedfirework]

I was originally thinking of a more simplified version, that was automatic, total race time, etc leads into debates.
Maybe the most simplified, would be first over last only. Meaning first in D2 gets points for 7th, essentially, and 7th in D1 gets points for 8th.
Just first and last, it's to me the most obvious, to someone with a different view, the least debatable, etc.

That's a fair point, and it is possible. But from what I recall of Season 2, that was not once the case, nor close to.
9 times out of 10, whomever finishes last in D1 is going to have made a much bigger mistake somewhere in the race then the winner of D2.

So while either scenario can happen, I have to side with the far greater (imo) scenario, which is the driver winning against 6 competitors running a better, faster race then the driver that loses to all 6 of his competitors, even if one group is faster then the other.

I dont necessary disagree with you. I just think it would make things a lot simpler if 7th is 7th, 8th is 8th and so on. As long as everyone knows where they stand before the race. I do see where you are coming from, I just don't think it will be practical

 

[CSLACR]

I dont necessary disagree with you. I just think it would make things a lot simpler if 7th is 7th, 8th is 8th and so on. As long as everyone knows where they stand before the race. I do see where you are coming from, I just don't think it will be practical

That's why I suggest the single overlap of last/winner. No matter the circumstances, total times, etc. A staple rule to reward the winner of D2, if only a little.
It's not hard to keep track of at all, imo - last in D1 is behind 1st in D2.

 

[Green]

That's why I suggest the single overlap of last/winner. No matter the circumstances, total times, etc. A staple rule to reward the winner of D2, if only a little.
It's not hard to keep track of at all, imo - last in D1 is behind 1st in D2.

I'm new to this series and don't really know the system you ran before but why not have the same points in each Div. Instead of putting all the fastest people in one division split everyone into the 2 divisions ie ( 1st,3rd,5th,7th,9th....ect in div 1) then even numbers in div2 this way a good quailfying time gets you a good grid position and running a good race gets you a good result.

Was just an idea feel free to shoot it down lol.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm new to this series and don't really know the system you ran before but why not have the same points in each Div. Instead of putting all the fastest people in one division split everyone into the 2 divisions ie ( 1st,3rd,5th,7th,9th....ect in div 1) then even numbers in div2 this way a good quailfying time gets you a good grid position and running a good race gets you a good result.

Was just an idea feel free to shoot it down lol.

It's for mixed grid races, where the top 7 of each class (500, 300) go into the D1 room, and the bottom 7 of each class go into the D2 room.

 

[toyotsupra]

It's for mixed grid races, where the top 7 of each class (500, 300) go into the D1 room, and the bottom 7 of each class go into the D2 room.

Thats what happened last season in superlap qualifying if im correct you would have to do a fast time to get into Division 1 or if too slow you would be in division 2 i quite liked that rule...

 

[NEPALII]

It's for mixed grid races, where the top 7 of each class (500, 300) go into the D1 room, and the bottom 7 of each class go into the D2 room.

+1. Just leave the qualy system the way it was. I quite liked it. As for the points system, I like the new one better .