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[stega]

I really like the shape and cuts on the whole thing, makes it look really mean!
And its totally exclusive to you at the moment, came out better than I could have imagined. People talk a lot but its nice to see those words and thoughts put to action. Congratulations.

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks for the comments! 👍 Back on this working for the next revision. The proto I built yesterday gave some answers but also made me think some aspects again. Maybe I still do wan't to keep the side ply's shaped close to the pics.. I was already planning to leave them out. But now I've seen it irl, those does give it a little more appearance... hmm.

 

[Archangel]

I must say this looks quite nice indeed, I`ll for sure keep following this thread

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks

Did a quick design close to what I'm going after now. The current proto is extremely rigid, but there is a problem it not laying perfectly flat on the floor. This is because of many things, and therefore I'm planning to use adjustable "feet" that guarantee perfect contact with the floor. Also, the changed seat configuration has those vertical threaded bars now that needs something to prevent the floor getting damaged. Same parts are used in the front part in this version.

So, even though when assembled the seat section (in the first proto) looks cool and all, it simply is just too complicated. The unknown factor here is the drilling part - the holes have some gap in them and it's not realistic to expect every hole drilled with 0,1mm precision. So, the earlier changes that I did there will stay, and after playing a lot with those threaded bars here (what a multipurposeful things those are! 👍) decided to make the design even simplier & easier to use and put the threaded bars behind the seat too. With those you can adjust the angle (one bolt in the front only) of the seat & with the multiple holes on the main vertical bar you can adjust the height of the seat too, now in a much more simplistic way. Also saved a lot those costly metal parts. So that's a plus side of this change too.

There is a lot of other minor changes too, but maybe the biggest is the pedal section. Also in here the proto has some instability, so changed the design to eliminate this for good. The added feet gave me little more options & freedom how to do this. Now there should not be any chance for the pedals to "give in". Smaller feet (the threaded bars) added in the front part of the pedals to give the pedals 100% floor contact.

So now the weight of the seat & the driver are completely directed to ground through the front part of the rig & pedals (fine tune the contact with the 'feet') and this should give it max stability where it is needed... or at least it shoud do this

The screen stand I have in the proto was not perfect and the new design should also improve the rig in this part. You do need the VESA mount behind the screen though, luckily most if not all have those nowadays. Also if you later on want to go 3 screen wide, there is only few parts & bars needed to add. Also this way there is less plywoods needed and that again drops the costs little.

Below few preview pics, still a work in progress though. Also pics of the M12 threaded bar, that will work as the adjustable foot. I already put those cushions under the M20 lock nuts so there should not be any marks left to the floor either.

As I guess always in this kind of projects a proto is very much needed, there just is too much that you cannot see before doing it in real life. Anyhow, now I'm very pleased with the design.. the looks have changed a little but the most important thing is still the stability and the adjustability and all those are still there. The difference is that now I know this will work as I've wanted this thing to work from the start.

So proto 2.0 is on the way....

Comments welcomed. 👍 Good or bad.

edit,

Oh I might add that hoovering the cockpit area should be now quite easy!!

And as far as the selling part goes, it's still looking that I'll only ship the metals parts & end caps & plywoods. The aluminium bars will be DIY. Complete instructions included, of course.

 

[JvM]

Very nice, getting better and better. 👍

 

[Timppaq]

We'll see about that. I have faith!!

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

The rear leg supports look a little thin to me, especially if someone doesn't take great care getting in and out, there can be alot of sideways force as your butt lands on the seat, I can see those legs getting bent.

Other than that, I like it alot, and congratulations on getting the first proto build.

 

[Timppaq]

The rear leg supports look a little thin to me, especially if someone doesn't take great care getting in and out, there can be alot of sideways force as your butt lands on the seat, I can see those legs getting bent.

Other than that, I like it alot, and congratulations on getting the first proto build.

Thanks and yes, that might be a risk possibly. But at this point I do believe it's a thin one as the threaded bars are M12, and there's 2 of those... Also it'll depend of the lenght of the bars surely. But if they are under 500mm two of those will be incredibly strong. You can test this if you have two D=10mm O-bars to fiddle with. So I'm quite confident that that risk will be really small. You also need to remember that there is the metal parts in the front of those horizontal bars that also gives it a lot of resistance against bending sideways. Basically it would try to turn the whole rig. And of course everything can get broken but if you do it like you normally would do the seating procedure I don't think there'll be any issues. We'll see though 👍 Thanks for the comment anyway! I'll keep watch on that.

Took a few pics of the details in current build..

The painting didn't come off 100%, but in the finished version the edges will be rounded so the paint will stick much better I hope. This was a quick proto so I allowed the manufacturer to take some shortcuts.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Good stuff. 👍

It's wonderful to see ideas like this come to realization.

You'll have a winner on your hands if you can get it to market. Easily one of the most adjustable and aesthetically pleasing cockpits around.

 

[01GTP]

It's great to see it assembled, Timo. 👍

It's a beauty!!

 

[otto-mate]

Fantastic thread! Congrats on the build. Awesome.

M.

 

[Timppaq]

Cheers guys for the compliments

DR, It will get in the 'market', no doubt about it. I've had a few querys via PM about it, so I have faith there could be people interested...

So speaking about that, Please PM me or tell it in this thread if you're interested. The first set will be sold 'cheap' (the bigger the set, the cheaper it'll be too).. At this point that is pretty much all I can say, but if you're interested, this is a good chance to save monay by typing one PM I can be more detailed via PM at this point as pretty much everything is still hovering in the air especially cost wise.

at this point I'm thinking it will be wise to sell the different partitions separately, and those will add up to be the final cost;

- parts for the wheel stand
- parts for the seat section
- parts for the single screen stand
- parts for the 3 screen option
- plywoods painted or not
- all the bolts + threaded bars

The plastic end caps will be included always, as will the plywoods (only the painting there will be optional). Also I need to do proper instructions for the assembly.

 

[Timppaq]

Sorry double but I think it deserves a new post..

Even with the little difficulties, I'm really pleased with my new setup. For sure will get the next revision for me too but for now the proto 1.0 works better than the old set ever did, which you can see here:

And now in this, as you might know..

 

[VRracer]

I really like your new set-up alot.
The only parts I have that are the same as yours, is the helmet and the boxer shorts.
I wear them when I get up to go for a beer just in case I fall down along the way...LOL

 

[Timppaq]

edit, how about the G25?

 

[01GTP]

I really like your new set-up alot.
The only parts I have that are the same as yours, is the helmet and the boxer shorts.
I wear them when I get up to go for a beer just in case I fall down along the way...LOL

I misunderstood, I hope.

 

[VRracer]

I misunderstood, I hope.

Yes, that joke might not have sounded right.
I just sould have said..I should not drink...LOL..

 

[Archangel]

Hi again, I have seen the sketches that you have been working on and it seems to me that it looks like something that I would be interested in.

There are some minor issues though so I wonder about your plans as far as the shipments and ordering of materials go.
Reason I ask is because it seems already from your sketches that they are somewhat different so I wonder to which extent there would be some possibility to costumize a cockpit based on the material that has been released from you so far.

I am basically looking for a cockpit that I also can use as an ordinary workstation in addition. I have for example looked at the Obutto, and it looks nice but the whole platform is to low for my purpose.

What I like about your setup is that it seems to have quite an amount of justability. So what I would basically be looking for is a seating position that is in accordance with a "regular" chair. Meaning about 40-45 cm in height at the base where the seat would be positioned.

Furthermore I really liked the shifter position with the added "armrest" in the second edition, but I, and this is just my opinion would hesitate to have a rig set up in such a manner that I have to cross over a bar to get seated, its not only for "comfort" issues, but as they say most accidents happen in the home .

So I wonder if it would be possible to have the right side of the cockpit as in your second sketch, while the left side (side of entry) is like the first prototype you have built, though with two bars attached as "ordinary legs" to the frame of the seat.

Maybe I have not explained it well enough and sorry for the long post, I am tired its 3.10 in the night here now

Anyway my question matters little, as it depends on your wish to combine or costumize a cockpit if there would be any wishes to do so.

As a side question, can I ask about the length of the bar that supports the seat in the prototype you have built so far, the one in the pictures, its just for measurement.

 

[Timppaq]

Ok, I made pics of the rig on it's place now (the same place the earlier shots from the old rig was taken).. there's little fiddling going on on the pedal section to test how it can be made more stable, but this is just a proto after all. I'm using basically the same idea in the next build. Without a driver & with a driver.
(without the boxer shorts this time! - Thanks Grandi for letting me have the suit for a while now.. 👍 )

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edit,

Hi again, I have seen the sketches that you have been working on and it seems to me that it looks like something that I would be interested in.

There are some minor issues though so I wonder about your plans as far as the shipments and ordering of materials go.
Reason I ask is because it seems already from your sketches that they are somewhat different so I wonder to which extent there would be some possibility to costumize a cockpit based on the material that has been released from you so far.

I am basically looking for a cockpit that I also can use as an ordinary workstation in addition. I have for example looked at the Obutto, and it looks nice but the whole platform is to low for my purpose.

What I like about your setup is that it seems to have quite an amount of justability. So what I would basically be looking for is a seating position that is in accordance with a "regular" chair. Meaning about 40-45 cm in height at the base where the seat would be positioned.

Furthermore I really liked the shifter position with the added "armrest" in the second edition, but I, and this is just my opinion would hesitate to have a rig set up in such a manner that I have to cross over a bar to get seated, its not only for "comfort" issues, but as they say most accidents happen in the home .

So I wonder if it would be possible to have the right side of the cockpit as in your second sketch, while the left side (side of entry) is like the first prototype you have built, though with two bars attached as "ordinary legs" to the frame of the seat.

Maybe I have not explained it well enough and sorry for the long post, I am tired its 3.10 in the night here now

Anyway my question matters little, as it depends on your wish to combine or costumize a cockpit if there would be any wishes to do so.

As a side question, can I ask about the length of the bar that supports the seat in the prototype you have built so far, the one in the pictures, its just for measurement.

In the current & the next proto, the seat can be raised at least 40cm from the ground, and depending on the shifter position & the wheel position even more will be possible.

The workstation thing is a good question and one simple solution would be to make the ply that is under the wheel little bigger & shape it to be more suitable for some office stuff to be done on it. To change the angle of the wheel (to make the plywood flat or angled) takes only about 10 secs, I have put those butterfly nuts on the lower bolts and you can easily tighten them with your hands tight enough. I'll think more about this all when I get back to the 'work' PC.

To have the other side "closed" as in the 2nd design (as you referred to it) is very much possible with the next edition too. To have the other side fully "open" is more difficult thing, I need to think about that more with fresh brains 👍 I'll get back to you on that.

The rig being made without any welds does give it a good modifiability, so this kind of things can be done easily even afterwards I reckon if you're into DIY. The aluminium is wonderfull stuff to work with. I've drilled loads of those holes here in my flat as it really doesn't even require you to mount it anywhere before.

As I said, I'll think about thise things next week, and I post back here what I found. And great to hear you're interested btw!


edit2, missed the last question. The long bar on the floor is 970mm long 👍

 

[Timppaq]

Short vid of my mate testing the proto..



and pics in day light

 

[the_greeze]

Damn, that's nice work mate!

 

[CAMikaze]

Any idea as to what the maximum weight of the driver allowed for that rig is?

 

[Timppaq]

I bet that the version in the pics could take pretty much anything that will fit in the seat. 130kg is a safe bet I think. The next design is very different on the seat area - it'll depend of the angle the threaded bars are on and also of the "free lenght" (between the floor & the horizontal bar) There is always the possibility to put M16 threaded bars behind the seat, and that should guarantee a lot more freedom regarding the driver weight.

 

[Raitziger]

Nice to see you finally get it togerther. And it looks very nice.

 

[VRracer]

Thanks for the video.
You should do one with you just messing around with the different adjustments of the seat/wheel/pedals.

Funny..I have not built anything yet I'm asking you to do more...LOL...Great job with the build Timppaq

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks VR, I'll post another (full lap by me) soon. Sorry for the partially sloppy driving. I haven't been really seriously driving since the Academy ended. Off shape by 1 sec....

The adjustments will be changed so much for the next revision that I don't see a point making a video of it now. But it's a good idea and I will do that when the next proto is here. 👍

It's kind of good actually that I had some moments there during the lap. Shows you that the rig is reasonably stable... I had to screw some strenghtening plates under the monitor shelf, so the screen in not perfectly laying on it. The screw heads are under it causing it to shake little more that it otherwise might.

F40 Suzy 700pp Online Free Run

 

[Timppaq]

Guys, I need answers to a short question about mounting / placing the monitor..

Would you prefer to use the normal screen stand (like my screen in those pics) or the VESA mounting holes behind the screen? (when using 1 screen only)

Thanks in advance 👍

 

[Raitziger]

It would be more elegant if you could just screw TV-stand to frame and there would not be any additional structures needed. I would only go VESA if i had three TVs and i would make angles between TVs adjustable.

 

[Timppaq]

👍

Working on a solution like that. After getting used to the "normal" stand, I do prefer it myself rather that the VESA mount. But I will leave the possibility to add the 3-screen stand (seen in prev. pages) later on, still need to get the confirmation of how gt5 will support it (in which modes).

edit,

So I think here's the next proto as a 3D model. If I were to ship this (without the aluminium bars) the weights would be:

- plywoods: 3,2kg
- laser cut metals: 1,63kg
- O-bars: ~1,46kg (less than that)

So combined together 6,3kg. This is exluding the screws & bolts that I will weigh when finished with protoing. So sending to basically anywhere should be plausible. 👍 And within Europe should actually be quite cheap.

pics..

Oh, note that there is some "extra" lenght resreved on the hor. bar.. propably won't extend as long behind the seat when done with it. Good to have some room to test things.. Another thing too, there is a mistake in these pics, the M12 threaded bars (the 'feet') are D=10mm, now correncted to 12mm but here still wrong. (maybe that's why they do look a bit too thin, as commented 👍)

 

[Ibonibo]

Full racing suit but no shoes!!!!

Nice built though.
surely have fun with it