Gumpert Apollo S or Bugatti Veyron?

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yes but think about it from a rich car enthusiast perspective, who does and tries to push the cars they buy to the limit. They see it more reasonable to buy an expensive car that is outright fast. If they wanted a car for comfort and luxary most usally get a personalized AMG not a bugatti. You have the types you've explained which are people that seem to want to endulge in nice things cause they have the money to do so. Then you have the other end where the car enthusiast is super rich but actually races as well and buys cars like this not to just sit around in a garage as show pieces or to talk over a nice lunch, but to well maintain and drive it like it was built for.

I agree there are people that go out and buy the car cause it's nice and never use it for what it was really built for, but there are others that go out and buy them and do exactly what the company had in mind when engineering the machine. One doesn't out weight the other. Some of us just see buying cars on a different level.

 

[JJ72]

car enthrusiast and driving enthrusiast are two types of people...really think about it. some people happen to be both but it's not a must, frankly if I own a car so special I wouldn't so easily put it in danger, I can have fun in my GT3RS or 458 as a daily driver, and actually like my partner has a GT3 spec track only Gallardo for the racing fix.

Some people see car as art pieces and nothing more, look at Ralph Lauren.

I doubt anyone who can afford these things will use one car for all his need, more than likely he will have different cars for different occasions, And as I mentioned before, if they want something noisy, uncomfortable and stupidly fast, one can buy a fleet of Radical and have a mini race league for the price of one Gumpert, **** load faster too. So even one the basis of logic and price the Gumpert has no advantage, hence it all comes down to what people actually love, it's all emotional.

 

[C-ZETA]

Neither of them really floats my boat. So while they're both evenish overall for me, I'd have a Murcielago for speed and an LFA for tech.

 

[JJ72]

But the LFA will be faster than a standard Murcielago for a long shot. straightline included, the standard murcielago has very little torque for a car that big.

 

[TankAss95]

Neither. If you have that kind of money bid for a McLaren F1. They range at an estimated 2 to 3 million £.
After that car was built it has killed off all "hyper cars". Never again will there be such a well packaged, focused spots car.
Do this and you'll not only buy a car, you'll buy a price of automotive history.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Like both, would have neither. I'd pick an Aventador.

 

[TheCracker]

But the LFA will be faster than a standard Murcielago for a long shot. straightline included, the standard murcielago has very little torque for a car that big.

Really? 480 ft lbs for a car that weighs a little over 1650kgs? Compared to the LFA's 354 ft lbs.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I prefer the look of the Gumpert but when it comes to performance the Bugatti is the better car. Some crazy engineering with that thing too. 10 radiators!!

Like both, would have neither. I'd pick an Aventador.

I will take the Sesto Elemento.

 

[Danoff]

Yes but think about it from a rich car enthusiast perspective, who does and tries to push the cars they buy to the limit.

Almost non-existent. You have to be young, have tons of money, and be extremely into racing. That describes almost no one. Let's just get straight to the point:

The Veyron is a no-compromise car designed for the 50 year old with billions who wants to feel like he's 20 again without being reminded of his back pain. It's for him to pull up to fancy restaurants without messing up his wife's fancy dress, but still be able to drive fast enough on the way home to blow that dress right off of her. Think Donald Trump.

The Gumpert is designed for a younger guy with millions, who wants the best lap time at the track, wants a car nobody recognizes that looks like it's out of a science fiction movie. Maybe Justin Timberlake?

Both cars are designed to win pissing contests. But different pissing contests for different customers.

 

[Exorcet]

people who buy these cars does not concern about budget, believe me, my business and personal friend is one of those people, he had order placed on the new pagani and mclaren and has 30 cars in his garage

So if money is no object, ask him to pay off the US national debt. If he can afford a Veyron, he can do anything right?

The difference between $500,000 and $1,000,000 is exactly the same as the difference between a $5 sandwich and a $10 sandwich. There is no point where a finite amount of money becomes infinite, so there is no point where cars become expensive enough to the point that "their price doesn't matter".

Almost non-existent. You have to be young, have tons of money, and be extremely into racing.

I don't see why you would have to be young, unless you're using that term very loosely.

 

[Zenith]

So if money is no object, ask him to pay off the US national debt. If he can afford a Veyron, he can do anything right?

The difference between $500,000 and $1,000,000 is exactly the same as the difference between a $5 sandwich and a $10 sandwich. There is no point where a finite amount of money becomes infinite, so there is no point where cars become expensive enough to the point that "their price doesn't matter".

How do you expect the US debt to be beneficial to your argument? That's not even close to the discussion...

No, the difference between a $5 sandwich and a $10 sandwich is $5. The difference between $500,000 and $1,000,000 is $500,000. Contrary to popular belief, $5 is not $500,000. Pedantic ass I am.

 

[acascianelli]

Veyron.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Really? 480 ft lbs for a car that weighs a little over 1650kgs? Compared to the LFA's 354 ft lbs.

Doesn't the LF-A weigh a lot less too?

 

[Exorcet]

How do you expect the US debt to be beneficial to your argument? That's not even close to the discussion...

Because it's orders of magnitude more than any one person owns, meaning no one individual can pay it, clearly showing that being rich =/= infinite money.

There is no point where someone is wealthy enough to be able to afford anything without considering price.

No, the difference between a $5 sandwich and a $10 sandwich is $5. The difference between $500,000 and $1,000,000 is $500,000. Contrary to popular belief, $5 is not $500,000.

Both are a 100% difference.

Doesn't the LF-A weigh a lot less too?

Doesn't matter, peak torque has nothing to do with it, or anything really.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Almost non-existent. You have to be young, have tons of money, and be extremely into racing. That describes almost no one. Let's just get straight to the point:

The Veyron is a no-compromise car designed for the 50 year old with billions who wants to feel like he's 20 again without being reminded of his back pain. It's for him to pull up to fancy restaurants without messing up his wife's fancy dress, but still be able to drive fast enough on the way home to blow that dress right off of her. Think Donald Trump.

The Gumpert is designed for a younger guy with millions, who wants the best lap time at the track, wants a car nobody recognizes that looks like it's out of a science fiction movie. Maybe Justin Timberlake?

Both cars are designed to win pissing contests. But different pissing contests for different customers.

That's an opinion outright, so let's not act like that's fact. Jay Leno has tons of money and is a car enthusiast that races from time to time. Tim Allen, Eric Bana and the list goes on, then you have race car drivers who are super rich as well and they too buy these cars and from time to time drive them hard. These are people that see the car as art, but still use it for the intended purpose.

It's great your trying to win you argument but you can't say with out a doubt that anyone who buys a Bugatti no matter that age wouldn't take it to a track and run it hard. The money idea works both ways, if they have the money to buy it, they'll have it to fix it as well. Also you treat a Veyron like a Maybach or Rolls Royce when it is not even that, that's what a rich person is going to buy to go cruzing or around the town...why do so with a hyper car that isn't built for it. I don't know what rich people you've met but the demand for 1000hp cruisers isn't really a big market, that's not why a car like the Veyron sales and you know it. Your argument did give me a good laugh at many points though, so I have to thank you for that, not to be rude I'm just being honest.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Doesn't the LF-A weigh a lot less too?

Murcielago LP640: 3,671lbs, 486lb-ft torque
LF-A: 3,263lbs, 354lb-ft torque.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Murcielago LP640: 3,671lbs, 486lb-ft torque
LF-A: 3,263lbs, 354lb-ft torque.

Thanks for the stats, the LF-A though...that V10 just sounds more lovely especially that semi F1 note it has.

 

[JJ72]

So if money is no object, ask him to pay off the US national debt. If he can afford a Veyron, he can do anything right?

what benefit does he get for paying off your national debt? none.

What benefit does he get for getting a hypercar twice as expensive? he get something more unique in the world and is going to worth much more in proportion than the car half the price down the road, he MAKES PROFIT.

If you still can't get it I don't think you ever will. 👍

 

[JJ72]

Really? 480 ft lbs for a car that weighs a little over 1650kgs? Compared to the LFA's 354 ft lbs.

As other mentioned the LFA is a lot lighter. Also don't forget the power lost in the murcie's AWD system is immerse, the power in that motor only comes in higher rpm and the gearing is really long, it's a classic italian supercar where the rev goes on and goes and on, however the practical performance isn't at the sharp end of supercar realm.

The LFA will launch faster too, you can't dump the clutch on the Murcie with full power unless you want cracked propshaft and broken clutch. Another friend of mine had one with the exact same problem, and on average the cost of each gearshift is $50.

 

[coldfoot]

Veyron all the way...If you want a track toy, there's always the Ariel Atom, Caterham, etc.

 

[Exorcet]

what benefit does he get for paying off your national debt? none.

What benefit does he get for getting a hypercar twice as expensive? he get something more unique in the world and is going to worth much more in proportion than the car half the price down the road, he MAKES PROFIT.

If you still can't get it I don't think you ever will. 👍

I don't need to get anything. Your friend can't afford to pay off the national debt because he doesn't have enough money. No finite amount of money removes price from the equation. You can't say that the price of the Gumpert or Veyron do not matter, because one is cheaper than the other, and because of that, there will be people who can afford one, but not the other.

 

[JJ72]

You still think buying a car like this is blowing away a chunk of money and that's it.

That's what you need to get, it's an investment, it's not an expense.

If it's expense your logic stands sure, but it isn't.

 

[Exorcet]

You can't say that because it's up to the person who is buying.

It's also completely beside the point.

There are people who can afford an Apollo, but not a Veyron. Investments or not.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

You can't say that because it's up to the person who is buying.

It's also completely beside the point.

There are people who can afford an Apollo, but not a Veyron. Investments or not.

As people get richer, the gap between what they can afford and another rich person shrinks. I'm sure a guy with $1 billion can afford 99.99% of the things a guy worth $100 billion can. You can't compare $400k car vs $2.5 million car to a $5 sandwich vs $10 sandwich.

 

[JJ72]

nono that's the point.

No one will have that much money without the simple concept of value holding.

You are telling me there are people who will throw away his life's fortune to get a car, then proceed to live under a tent? haha.

You have completely no understanding of the supercar buying demographic.

and by your logic the gumpert outright sucks because you can get a radical for $135k, so your customer profile is someone who is very rich, but has no concept of holdng power and value?

 

[Danoff]

Jay Leno has tons of money and is a car enthusiast that races from time to time.

Jay Leno is going to buy both and forget where he put them. He's a total non-issue. Nobody builds a car for the "Jay Leno" buyer. He's one of a kind. And before you protest... no he really is one of a kind.

Tim Allen, Eric Bana and the list goes on, then you have race car drivers who are super rich as well and they too buy these cars and from time to time drive them hard. These are people that see the car as art, but still use it for the intended purpose.

What's the intended purpose?

...or right... enjoyment.

It's great your trying to win you argument but you can't say with out a doubt that anyone who buys a Bugatti no matter that age wouldn't take it to a track and run it hard.

Never tried.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Jay Leno is going to buy both and forget where he put them. He's a total non-issue. Nobody builds a car for the "Jay Leno" buyer. He's one of a kind. And before you protest... no he really is one of a kind.

Before you rebuttle to my rebuttle...no really that is ^ an opinion. There are many odd people out there Jay isn't the only one. There are other rich people that have weird expensive machines, some rich people that are probably just not a household name like Jay Leno.

What's the intended purpose?

...or right... enjoyment.

No one is arguing the enjoyment factor, not sure where I said they weren't buying it for that purpose. ...or right... never did
What you and others said is they buy these cars and simply cruise them or put them away...the other half of us are simply saying not everyone does that and there are some that would pass up the Veyron for a cheaper (still expensive) just as fast car that can do just as much or more and still fetch a profit down the road.

Never tried.

How is saying that only a young rich person would buy the Gumpert, but a 50 year old donald trump type would only buy a Veyron, supposedly never tried or intended? Or saying one is built for a certain demographic. I didn't know hypercars/speed knew a demographic? Also judging by the sheer following the Veyron has you give anyone the money and they'll go out and buy it regardless of age.

nono that's the point.

No one will have that much money without the simple concept of value holding.

You are telling me there are people who will throw away his life's fortune to get a car, then proceed to live under a tent? haha.

You have completely no understanding of the supercar buying demographic.

and by your logic the gumpert outright sucks because you can get a radical for $135k, so your customer profile is someone who is very rich, but has no concept of holdng power and value?

You're saying one glove fits all rich people. They're saying that it's not that black and white. Maybe you have a few situational moments that allow you to say this, but you can't prove it's the norm.

 

[Marko Le Rosso]

Mmmmm Gumpert......... Any word with pert, gets my attention......

 

[TheCracker]

You still think buying a car like this is blowing away a chunk of money and that's it.

That's what you need to get, it's an investment, it's not an expense.

Buying a Veyron isn't an investment of any kind. A three or four year old Veyron with very low millage (sub 4000) with a full service history is worth around quarter of a million pounds less than it's new value. On top of that you have it's £17k annual service and the £23k 2500 miles tyre changes. In your 4 years of Veyron ownership you'll have lost the thick end of £340,000. And that's excluding fuel and insurance.

 

[deadcat777]

Veyron for its "class & comfort".

Buying a Veyron isn't an investment of any kind. A three or four year old Veyron with very low millage (sub 4000) with a full service history is worth around quarter of a million pounds less than it's new value. On top of that you have it's £17k annual service and the £23k 2500 miles tyre changes.

If you can afford a Veyron, do you think you will consider how much it gonna cost to maintain it?