Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4...

[JohnBM01]

Hi, GTPlanet. Nice to see you again.

With GT4's objective of looking back into automotive time, it would be a shame to not include Ferrari and Porsche. To some people in Gran Turismo 2, Venturri and Ruf were "substitutes" for Ferrari and Porsche. A true automotive enthusiast and historian would tell you that Ferrari and Porsche played a great role in racing. The respective brands conquered Formula one and GT/Sportscar.

So now you can finish the rest of this sentence in your reply and then talk about it if you wish:

Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, GT4 would...


And I will start.

Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, GT4 would...
...still be a great game. With all due respect to the two makes, Ferrari and Porsche seriously fulfill what Gran Turismo is all about. The only shadowy section of the game would be some of the big names being missing from the "looking back into time" objective. I'm sure Gran Turismo will work around this in any way they can, or pull off a miracle and bring them to GT4. If Ferrari made it, I would love to tune a 360 Modena into a Ferrari Challenge car with its beautiful engine noise. Or even better, race the oh-so-sweet 333SP and beat a Nissan R390 GT1 with Italian power. If Porsche made it, Here are some names you can remember. 956. 911. 962. 911 GT1. And oh yes... the 917s.

So what do you have to say?

 

[LoudMusic]

Are we sure they're not in GT4?

 

[Gt fein]

No, we're not sure if they are in or not.

Originally posted by JohnBM01
The only shadowy section of the game would be some of the big names being missing from the "looking back into time" objective. I'm sure Gran Turismo will work around this in any way they can, or pull off a miracle and bring them to GT4. If Ferrari made it, I would love to tune a 360 Modena into a Ferrari Challenge car with its beautiful engine noise. Or even better, race the oh-so-sweet 333SP and beat a Nissan R390 GT1 with Italian power. If Porsche made it, Here are some names you can remember. 956. 911. 962. 911 GT1. And oh yes... the 917s.

So what do you have to say?

That's a good standpoint John! Ferrari and Porsche are definetely two important brand names in motorsport history. Hopefully we see them in the game.

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

Apparently we are sure, KY has stated in interviews..."ferrari, lamborghini and porsche will not be in GT4" but i really hope they some how get a few of those in.

 

[Rport03]

Well this is how I look at it from a gamers point of view and as a person who understand what PD really wants to do, and its that they want to bring the history of cars which in fact they have stated and also many video game sites aswell. Many games today have there story lines and what not but GT4 is taking a diffrent aproach and useing the cars and manufacturers tell there story of what was and what will be in cars and racing and thats a great and unique way of taking the GT series, By adding ferrari and porche would fulfill and complete since they are part of history, if PD cant get these makers then they will work around it, but for people who are really into cars would really appreciate what PD is trying to do, and for gamers by having the cars in would be great to race these cars around but could we live without them id say yes, but again by having them will really be a great addition. id like to belive myself that PD and Sony are keeping this a secret and when we get the game we'll find them there and will make GT4 the greatest raceing game yet, But if there not there then well we'll have to live with it, but if PD really wants to make there game complete they'll find ways to add them. IMO id really love them to be in really to race them and to tell there story in the game, since its about classics, to modern to the future of cars... to end this on a good note I hope PD are keeping secrets and I hope they make it into the development of the game..

 

[Dave A]

Originally posted by JohnBM01
Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, GT4 would...

No one outside PD and Sony knows if they'r in or not, Ferrari has a contract with another company but that hasn't stopped them from being in PGR2 and one or two other titles, same goes for Porsche. Bottom line is if Sony chuck enough money at the licence holders and the marques they will be in GT4, thats what it depends on. Also KY said in an interview that he had several meetings with Ferrari and they expressed a great desire to be in GT4, he also said that he would be willing to delay GT4 if it meant the difference between having them in or not.

 

[oxygenuk]

i wanted to race a ferrari in gran turismo since gt1 still want to drive 1 but for now were stuck with the tk ZZII that looks a bit like a ferrari i guess

 

[BillCosby316]

i'd love to see ferrari and posche make it in GT4. i think that sony has enough money and they should put get the licenses because if they do, i think GT4 sales would go way up with these 2 great addidtions in the game

 

[wee_man]

Hey didn't we think that EA held the rights to the McLaren F1. And yet it made into GT4P. There's still hope...

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by JohnBM01
Venturri and Ruf were "substitutes" for Ferrari and Porsche.

I don't think I can even put into English just how pissed Alois Ruf and the bosses at MVS would be at this sentence (although I understand it's context).

I honestly hope MVS (the company name for the people who make the Venturi models) are in GT4 - as a direct competitor for the Lotus Esprit (which is what they are). The MVS Venturi Atlantique 300 Biturbo was a cracking car in GT2, and I enjoyed driving the 400 as well. The 600LM... Nice And as for Ruf.... I can only say "!"...

 

[Dave A]

Well put, you saved me from a little extra typing.

 

[lil_viper]

I hope the game does have Ferrari because they're such a racing icon that the game just doesn't feel complete without them. And the game already has Porsche (It's called RUF).

 

[Dave A]

Originally posted by lil_viper
And the game already has Porsche (It's called RUF).

Did you fail to notice Famine's comment just up above. Ruf's are NOT Porsche's, they are a seperate marque, all the cars are built by Ruf exept the bodies which are generally old Porsche shell's, the latest Ruf is is set to go up against the Carrera GT performance wise, it's a 600+Bhp mid engined true supercar and doesn't use a Porsche body. Oh and it's Ruf not RUF.

 

[Caligula1]

Just a bit of confusion on my part re the locked post on Ferrari. It says EA have exclusive rights. Does anyone know why the Ferrari appears in Project Gotham Racing 2?

 

[Dave A]

Microsoft paid EA off to use the licence and then got an agreement from Ferrari allowing use of that licence in their game.

 

[Caligula1]

Fair enough, but you would have thought that the huge budget behind GT4 would allow the same action. Surely GT4 will outsell PG2 tenfold

 

[Dave A]

Sure but Sony has had some big money problems last year, also handing EA large sum's of money can't be high on their things to do list, it's possible it might happen but unlikely. I have a feeling KY is getting more influence over what contracts Sony gets than Sony has recentley though.

 

[-]=Dr=[-Devil-]]

Yo yur all so pessimist!
We dont know yet if Lambo / Porsche and Ferrari are gonna be in or not!
And ky never said that they wouldnt!
Come on people im the one depressed here lets keep our hopes up

 

[code_kev]

ferraris are deff not in GT4. Be nice if they were

 

[T5-R]

I just want lambos they weren't in PGR2 either

 

[Dave A]

I don't think Lamborghini is currentley tied into an exclusive contract, they were with EA but then that ended and that other company was going to make that Lamborghini game but canned it. Unless anyone knows otherwise I think there free for the taking now but wern't when GT3 came out.

 

[ersh]

who knows...maybe gt4 has infact been delayed for such a long time cuz they are trying to get ferrari, lambo and porsche into gt4? hehe

 

[Event]

correct me if im wrong, but i believe Porsche has the winningest record in road race history. i tink they should have at least the race car versions of the cars, like the classic ones or the new GT3 Race Car. GT is about 50% pure road racing w/ real race cars.

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

Originally posted by -]=Dr=[-Devil-]
Yo yur all so pessimist!
We dont know yet if Lambo / Porsche and Ferrari are gonna be in or not!
And ky never said that they wouldnt!
Come on people im the one depressed here lets keep our hopes up

I'm guessing you have not read any interviews involving GT4.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by JohnBM01
Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, GT4 would...
...still be a great game. With all due respect to the two makes, Ferrari and Porsche seriously fulfill what Gran Turismo is all about.

Absolutely - of course it would. I think PD's vision of the Gran Turismo series is clear enough that the introduction of these two marques would only improve the game, not dominate it.

I'm pretty confident they won't be in there, though - I'm sure PD would have announced something if they were.

 

[eliex]

Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, we were not be writing our thoghts on this!!!

Aldo I'm not so active in this forum, I have to tell that this right here is the reason I loose countles hours of sleep. I would have liked to make my contribution to this thread, but I don't know much about the history of racing. I'm just the tipical gamer. I didn't even like gt1 or gt2 but I felt in love with gt3 in fact I think is the best game I have ever played. I'm sure gt4 will be a step further if not huge lead. But when I saw the first pics of the Lambo taken from the Japanese version it sent shivers thru my body, when I heard it could be hacked I went and buought a Sharkport. I don't race it as much but I sure like to stare at it and show it up.

Had Ferrari and Porsche made it into GT4, PD would had some important pice of what they are trying to put together, but lets face it, there are other pices to this, and not, it would not help that much on the sales of GT4. If so, Need For Speed would still be about exotic cars. Sure I would like to see Ferrari in (I thnik are some of the most beautiful cars) , a come back from Lamborghinni, a comparison between Ruf and Porshe and the legendary racing Porches. GT3 has introduced me to many cars I never new existed. And I discovered many more set to be in GT4, the variety good looks and tihs is enough for me.

 

[JohnBM01]

Eliex, I admire your honesty, and WOW! A whole lot of replies!

You know, I'm going on the basis of "PD is in negotiations with Ferrari and Porsche and have not yet been confirmed or not at all confirmed." If GT4 doesn't get any awards for their efforts, it would be a damn shame. Pardon my language, but that's how I feel. I think Polyphony Digital worked too hard since GT3 to better their efforts into GT4. The Gran Turismo series is like any other popular game, even if not in the right genre. That includes Grand Theft Auto, Need For Speed, Test Drive, WWF/WWE Smackdown!, Super Mario Bros, and you go on. PD taken an arcade-style racing game with enhanced realism. Then they made that creation better with more cars, tracks, and even rally racing. GT2's only problem was that it was slow and sluggish sometimes in traffic. GT3 solved that and the game ALMOST NEVER SLOWS DOWN. So GT4 will be lessons learned from GTs 1, 2, and 3. And all the while, making it the best ever until the next GT project goes underway. Or hell, maybe GT will celebrate its 10th anniversary by coming out with a special version of GT and maybe GT5 (can you imagine?).

Anyhow, Ferrari and Porsche. Two legendary auto icons. In a game centered around car history, taking them out is like saying Michael Jordan and Larry Bird (in their prime) aren't true NBA icons, so it wouldn't make it into EA's NBA Live. And it would be controversy against EA if this happened. So if Ferrari and Porsche don't make it, that's okay. But if they do, PD will successfully acheive its task and help their cause with painstaking meausures and millions of dollars put to good use.

 

[HondaKid86]

Originally posted by JohnBM01
With all due respect to the two makes, Ferrari and Porsche seriously fulfill what Gran Turismo is all about.

The two makes serve to reinforce the traditional idea that racing is strictly reserved for an elite class of people with money coming out of their ears.

Ferrari and Porsche are already established in the racing world. As a result, they have huge chips on their shoulders. I personally cannot stand Ferraris or Porsches, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't come to a complete stop in amazement when I wound up at Ferrari of Houston by accident once.

While cars like the F456GT and 944 Turbo may fulfill the traditional automotive definition of "gran turismo", I've always thought the game to be about the "little guy"... the amateur racer, racing his grocery getter because that's all he can afford. A Honda Civic driven by somebody humble and passionate will always garner more respect from me than a jerk with an F355 and $170 sunglasses being held on his face by his big, upturned nose.

Now that I've gone on my anti-supercar tirade, I'll answer your question.

Including Ferrari and Porsche could only expand the game's mass audience appeal. More cars are never a bad thing... and the makes' historical importance is undeniable. The main reason why they should be included, though, is so that people can see that there are alternatives out there... Gillet, Spyker, Pagani, and other passionate "little guys" are out there turning out superior sportscars for a lower price.

Bring 'em in... so I can whoop 'em up in a Galant VR4.

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by HondaKid86
The two makes serve to reinforce the traditional idea that racing is strictly reserved for an elite class of people with money coming out of their ears.

Ferrari and Porsche are already established in the racing world. As a result, they have huge chips on their shoulders. I personally cannot stand Ferraris or Porsches, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't come to a complete stop in amazement when I wound up at Ferrari of Houston by accident once.

While cars like the F456GT and 944 Turbo may fulfill the traditional automotive definition of "gran turismo", I've always thought the game to be about the "little guy"... the amateur racer, racing his grocery getter because that's all he can afford. A Honda Civic driven by somebody humble and passionate will always garner more respect from me than a jerk with an F355 and $170 sunglasses being held on his face by his big, upturned nose.

Now that I've gone on my anti-supercar tirade, I'll answer your question.

Including Ferrari and Porsche could only expand the game's mass audience appeal. More cars are never a bad thing... and the makes' historical importance is undeniable. The main reason why they should be included, though, is so that people can see that there are alternatives out there... Gillet, Spyker, Pagani, and other passionate "little guys" are out there turning out superior sportscars for a lower price.

Bring 'em in... so I can whoop 'em up in a Galant VR4.

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I couldn't care less about Ferrari and Porche being in the GT series. Just give me 1 355 Challenge cup car and 1 911 GT3 RS race car and that's enough. I couldn't care less for road cars like the Enzo, maybe if they made a racecar that's been proven on the track. Otherwise, no thanks.

 

[Rport03]

Well race cars are great but dont forget since GT1 its been focused more on every day type stock road cars, only in GT3 is where they focused more on raceing cars which are fine I mean its great but dont forget what the purpose was, But now in GT4 since there doing the history of cars and whatnot Im hopeing to see lots of regular road cars, like the used car lot was great, you wont see a race car in the used car lot only regular cars which we have to build up and what not, Id deff like to see the Mods make a return in GT4 since there only textures I hope PD is hard at work createing multiple designs and colors for each car, more variety the better,but anyways, any type ferrari or porche is fine by me, but like I said before if there that great, but if not oh well it wont ruin my GT4 experience.....