HDTV help!

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i dont know what all this arguing is about, regardless of technical debates this is the best looking game to ever be put out... people are nit picking about little things like scaling. im playing in 1080i, on a 9' da-lite screen, through a benQ dlp projector and it still doesnt have what i would call bad scalling problems.

anyways....
 
oryan_dunn
Well, I've seen both sides reported, and based on the computative power of the PS2 and the complexity of a game like GT4, the current consensus is the upconverting story. I guess it just depends upon which side you believe. Until (or rather if) we ever get some hard specs on this, it may be up for discussion.
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True, I'm on the "true 1080i"-side, and I'm there for a good reason. I have a YUV to VGA converter and I've seen 480p and 1080i on a computer monitor. It was obvious that the 1080i image had a much higher vertical resolution with crisp graphics, which would not be archieveable with upscaling a 480i image in my eyes.

Cheers,
the Interceptor
 
the Interceptor
So basically what you're saying is that the Playstation always produces 480i, it just scales it up to 1080i internally. So, if you have a good scaler in your TV it's better to use that one to generate 1080i, meaning you have to set your Playstation to 480i.

The thing is that 1080i is not just upscaled from the Playstation. This has been discussed many times before, and a lot of people have claimed that the Playstation just does some upscaling on the normal image. But that is not true, the Playstation does actually produce 1080i using some tricks.

Cheers,
the Interceptor
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I thought that it was scaled at first as well....but as far as I can tell it is not. Play on 480 mode for a while.....lots of detail gone. I have played games that are scaled to 1080i before (enter the matrix on xbox) and there wasnt more detail, just a smoother look. Basically it made the game look softer with less jaggies. That is not the case with GT4. There are even more jaggies in this mode, but lots more detail. Good way to notice the differnce is the tail lights of cars that are maybe 50 feet or so in front of you. After you go back to 480i the differnce in detail is obviuos...scaling does not add more detail.(in most cases anyway)

With that said....I have no idea how ps2 is doing it.
 
raeanin
i dont know what all this arguing is about, regardless of technical debates this is the best looking game to ever be put out...
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Well, I think that we call all agree on this.

You all have valid points. I just don't like ruling out that it could look better for people with different displays. What might look like a million bucks on one, may not look so hot on another.
 
I am hoping some of the intelligent posters can help me with my problem. Here it is:

I have been playing GT4 on my Sony 36" tube HDTV since I bought it with no problems. I have monster component cables for PS2 and I can view and play in both HD modes (480p and 1080i) on this TV.

I recently inherited my fathers older Pioneer 64" RP HDTV. It is a year 2000-ish (Model (SD-641HD5) TV but it is WS and HDTV capable. The manual says it supports both 480p and 1080i formats. I hooked it up this weekend with my Motorola cable box which provides HDTV programming. I used component cables and was able to watch the Final Four games in HD. The picture was great. Afterward, I hooked up the PS2 to the TV (using the other component input) and attempted to play GT4 on the big screen.
When I switched from Normal to 480p or 1080i modes, the screen became scrambled and was unviewable. I have the PS2 set up for component outputs (remember I have been playing it in HD on the Sony) and the TV auto detects the component inputs so there is no menu switching available. Here are a few things I have tried with no success:

1) Switched to component input 1 (the same one on which the cable box HD signal did work)
2) Tried running the PS2 component cables to my Onkyo reciever then back out to the TV
3) Swore a lot at the TV

Can someone help explain why the cable box signal (not sure what format CBS-HD broadcasts in) works fine but the PS2 HD signal does not.

Could it have to do with the "older" technology in this TV?

Thanks.
 
CBS-HD is broadcast OTA in 1080i, not sure what is coming out of your box but I assume the same since it works. Sounds like 720p wouldnt work with your tv.

as for the PS2 seems like it should work, I would think the 1080i analog output would be pretty much the same between the PS2 and your setup top box. Like you said maybe since the tv is older it is not as robust and has some problem with the signal. Does 480p work? good luck
 
Jeff_DML
CBS-HD is broadcast OTA in 1080i, not sure what is coming out of your box but I assume the same since it works. Sounds like 720p wouldnt work with your tv.

as for the PS2 seems like it should work, I would think the 1080i analog output would be pretty much the same between the PS2 and your setup top box. Like you said maybe since the tv is older it is not as robust and has some problem with the signal. Does 480p work? good luck
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Thanks for the reply. No, it is unviewable in both 480p and 1080i. (although the scrambling is different in appearance between the two) I sent a email to Pioneer support asking for help but I cant seem to find the right link to send a support request to Sony PS2.

CJ
 
cjpuzzle
I recently inherited my fathers older Pioneer 64" RP HDTV. It is a year 2000-ish (Model (SD-641HD5) TV but it is WS and HDTV capable...

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When I switched from Normal to 480p or 1080i modes, the screen became scrambled and was unviewable... Here are a few things I have tried with no success:

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3) Swore a lot at the TV
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we have an older pioneer rp hdtv as well and i was having the same problem. try changing the input (from the remote) and change back to the ps2 input after you change the ps2 to 1080i. (just do it when the jaggies show up.) it worked for me. you'll end up having to do this before each race.

i think it's a synchronization issue when switching from sd content to hd content -- 15KHz vs. ~31KHz...

hth's.

btw, i liked your option 3... :)
 
plastic
we have an older pioneer rp hdtv as well and i was having the same problem. try changing the input (from the remote) and change back to the ps2 input after you change the ps2 to 1080i. (just do it when the jaggies show up.) it worked for me. you'll end up having to do this before each race.

i think it's a synchronization issue when switching from sd content to hd content -- 15KHz vs. ~31KHz...

hth's.

btw, i liked your option 3... :)
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Plastic.....You are DA MAN! your suggestion to change the inputs worked perfectly!! Damn am I happy!! Heres a Big on-line Hug ()

Thanks so much. I can now fully enjoy my 1080i - HD Dolby Prologic II Surround Driving Experience.

CJ
 
cjpuzzle
Plastic.....You are DA MAN! your suggestion to change the inputs worked perfectly!! Damn am I happy!! Heres a Big on-line Hug ()

Thanks so much. I can now fully enjoy my 1080i - HD Dolby Prologic II Surround Driving Experience.

CJ
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glad that worked out. enjoy all 64 inches of gt4 lovin' (and frustration)! ;)
 
IS it just me or does the ps2 not support true hd? Ive got hd and play the game under 1080i but I dont think ps2 handles it although the game claims 1080i. I may be wrong but I dont think the ps2 is capable, although the game is.
 
I found 720p and 1080i to be a huge disappointment for GT4. Yeah it looks sharper.. but it looks faker too. And i can see squares throughout the image. Its like the PS2 is pushing something it cant handle.
 
IGotASlowCivic
I found 720p and 1080i to be a huge disappointment for GT4. Yeah it looks sharper.. but it looks faker too. And i can see squares throughout the image. Its like the PS2 is pushing something it cant handle.
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I know what you mean, especially when you go really fast, or on any of the rally circuits, the squares and lines become very noticeable and annoying.

Maybe it's because I play GT4 on a new Sony HDTV LCD screen :nervous:
 
I got a question, well actually two im going to buy a pioneer elite plasma in HD and this thing looks beautiful and I was wondering if S-video is better or componet video and do I have to buy seperate cables?
 
PS2 is just a 480p machine. Until the next one comes out, you're just dealing with processed standard-def. When you have animations, it looks sweet because you don't deal with the same detail and shadowing as real life, but don't be fooled. With a good quality HD set, hook the PS2 up with component and let the tv process it to it's native res.

By the way, if you see jaggies and artifacts on larger LCD projection sets, it's not a problem with the game. LCD projection is just a slow reacting technology. With poor contrast. But that discussion is for another forum. And that is why I will always play GT4 on a Sony Trinitron XBR direct-view CRT. Black=ink not gray.
 
Poochi
I got a question, well actually two im going to buy a pioneer elite plasma in HD and this thing looks beautiful and I was wondering if S-video is better or componet video and do I have to buy seperate cables?
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Component is better of course as it uses 3 cables to carry 3 separate component signals. S-Video carries only 2 signals to represent the pictures. If you're getting a HD-compatible TV, definitely buy the component video cable to get the most out of any console system. However, until GT4, I did not find any games to justify the need of getting the expensive component cables. I have the S-Video cable and it served my need for 4 years until GT4. I wouldn't have got the component cables if it wasn't for this game.
 
da6poweredef
PS2 is just a 480p machine. Until the next one comes out, you're just dealing with processed standard-def. When you have animations, it looks sweet because you don't deal with the same detail and shadowing as real life, but don't be fooled. With a good quality HD set, hook the PS2 up with component and let the tv process it to it's native res.

By the way, if you see jaggies and artifacts on larger LCD projection sets, it's not a problem with the game. LCD projection is just a slow reacting technology. With poor contrast. But that discussion is for another forum. And that is why I will always play GT4 on a Sony Trinitron XBR direct-view CRT. Black=ink not gray.
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I have the 34-XS955 .. same picture tube as the XBR960.. and HD still looks horrible on GT4. I even got a "pixel out" on the tueb tv!!! Its like an fault in the picture tube that makes it look like a "pixel out".. f'ing bologna. That was one reason i bought a tube tv, to avoid this problem
 

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