HKS CT230R Tuner or Racer?

[MileHigh98Snake]

It's both, really. It was built to do one thing: turn the fastest lap around a course, no holds barred. That's a race car in my book. But it was built for a series that required you to start with a production car, but allowed any modifications necessary. So that defines a tuner. So what is it? A tuners race car.

 

[uMadson?]

It's both, really. It was built to do one thing: turn the fastest lap around a course, no holds barred. That's a race car in my book. But it was built for a series that required you to start with a production car, but allowed any modifications necessary. So that defines a tuner. So what is it? A tuners race car.

This. HKS took the Evo to tune, so it's a tuner. And it was tuned for racing (or time attack, in this case), so it's a race car. It's "purpose-built", sure, but it wasn't built from the ground up.

 

[xRicky92x]

To answer this debate, is it street legal no so that would make it a race car and PRICE DOESNT MATTER!!! Putting this as straight as possible......It's a video game

 

[Villain]

This. HKS took the Evo to tune, so it's a tuner. And it was tuned for racing (or time attack, in this case), so it's a race car. It's "purpose-built", sure, but it wasn't built from the ground up.

No they did not. There is nothing Evo about it except the outer aesthetics. Read the previous comments:

It's no more of an EVO than a NASCAR is a Camry.

 

[priesty_lfc]

Can't see how this thread has lasted so long. 100% Race Car.

 

[JJ72]

I think the options are misleading.

A race car is simply a car catered for a racing series, race car goes from cars with minor tuning (yaris or polo cup), to major tuning (FIA GT) to complete bespoke (prototypes).

A car can be both a tuner car and a race car at the same time.

This isn't a full on race car because it doesn't actually race, but it's simply a matter of application instead of physical nature. I will call it a time attack car for its purpose.

 

[Counter_Z23]

If you didn't know that it was made by HKS, then would you still classify it as a tuner?

See, it's a race car!

 

[Villain]

A car can be both a tuner car and a race car at the same time.

Yes, if you were to take a stock Miata, tune it, and take it to the track to race it would be a tuner and a race car.

This isn't a full on race car because it doesn't actually race, but it's simply a matter of application instead of physical nature. I will call it a time attack car for its purpose.

What? Isn't a time-attack event a race against the clock and all of the times set by others? Are rally events not races? They are timed stages. They do not race side-by-side.

 

[CoolNameHere]

Dont you guys tune your minoltas,and vettes with super chargers and lower the ride height, and screw with the gear ratios and springs to get a faster lap time around the track? dont your ZR1's have a RACING mod on it? you dont call it a tuner car. You call it a racecar. the HKS is a racecar

 

[stanong11]

No it is not a race car. It's a Tuner's car. Not purposely built from scratch for race.

 

[10,500RPM]

Neither. It is a either a trackday car or show/ demo car built to show off HKS products. It can't be classed as a race car if it was not built to compete in specific race series (much like the Zonda R) and it's not a tuner because it does not use the original shell.

 

[SlyckTires]

I'd go with "Not a tuner", on the basis of the custom shell and if I was running a road car only room online I'd ban it for that reason.

Or run a night race...

 

[Tornado]

No it is not a race car. It's a Tuner's car. Not purposely built from scratch for race.

Yes it was, but let's sidestep that and look at the assertion that in order for a car to be a race car in needs to be purpose built from the ground up.
Do you know how ridiculous that standard would be if applied in real life?

 

[stanong11]

Yes it was, but let's sidestep that and look at the assertion that in order for a car to be a race car in needs to be purpose built from the ground up.
Do you know how ridiculous that standard would be if applied in real life?

Erm... No?

 

[stanong11]

I don't think parts used to tune real races cars will be made known to public. And as for HKS, since the parts are aftermarket parts, it means car lovers own another CT230 themselves.
It's used for time attack and you think it's a race car? Tsukuba was popular among tuner's company, who keep sending cars tuned by them to break the timing, are all of them race car then?

 

[Tornado]

Erm... No?

90% of the cars raced across the globe are street cars that are modified for racing. In some racing series, the modifications are so small that they basically amount to racy cams, a roll cage and slick tires. In no way does a car need to be bespoke and scratch built to be a racing car.

I don't think parts used to tune real races cars will be made known to public.

I don't even know what this is supposed to say.

And as for HKS, since the parts are aftermarket parts, it means car lovers own another CT230 themselves.

And proceed to not drive it on the road, since the CT230 is not street legal. I can, with diligence, a GM parts catalog and a large amount of patience/money, turn a Corvette Z06 into a Corvette Z06.R GT race car.

It's used for time attack and you think it's a race car?

No. The fact that it is so highly modified for track use that it can't even be driven on the road tells me that it is a race car.

Tsukuba was popular among tuner's company, who keep sending cars tuned by them to break the timing, are all of them race car then?

That depends. Are all of those cars built the same way as the CT230? Because the only other one I can see in GT5 that is like that is the Amuse Carbon R.

 

[stanong11]

I don't even know what this is supposed to say.

I meant normally for race cars, we won't know or be able to buy the aftermarket parts to built an identical race car.

But the HKS parts are available in the market. You can buy an evo 8 and built another CT230. Not road legal does not mean it is a race car. I've quoted Top Secret's Supra and GTR, that's not road legal too. Neither are they race cars.

Next, there's an element missing on the CT230 that makes it a race car, that's the Racing Number. All race cars have Racing Numbers.

 

[Tornado]

I meant normally for race cars, we won't know or be able to buy the aftermarket parts to built an identical race car.

But the HKS parts are available in the market. You can buy an evo 8 and built another CT230.

I see you are picking and choosing what parts of my post you want to read. That isn't a particularly valid argument, either.

Not road legal does not mean it is a race car.

Good thing that hasn't been said than! Though, when the reasoning that it isn't road legal is because it has been designed with the strict intention of being a fast track car, it kinda does.

I've quoted Top Secret's Supra and GTR, that's not road legal too. Neither are they race cars.

Yeah. For that to even approach being a meaningful argument, you are going to need to do more than throw together a lazy logic problem and assume I will take it at face value. A link or two would be nice, for example.

Next, there's an element missing on the CT230 that makes it a race car, that's the Racing Number. All race cars have Racing Numbers.

 

[stanong11]

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/db/product_chart.aspx?LN=EN&N_ID=546

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/db/product/files/CT200MR/CATALOGweb_CT230MR.pdf

 

[niky]

No it is not a race car. It's a Tuner's car. Not purposely built from scratch for race.

Yes it was. The fact that they used a Lancer Evolution shell is irrelevant, since touring cars and rally cars are built using the shell of a street car.

I meant normally for race cars, we won't know or be able to buy the aftermarket parts to built an identical race car.

Yes you can. I know several companies that sell touring car engines (fully built) to outsiders. Circle track racecars all use off-the-shelf parts. Except at the highest levels of racing, many teams use off-the-shelf parts... and sometimes manufacturers and tuning garages sell fully-built racers for specific events. This encourages privateers to enter the sport.

Next, there's an element missing on the CT230 that makes it a race car, that's the Racing Number. All race cars have Racing Numbers.

Now you're just being silly:

The CT230R is built specifically to compete in Time Attack competitions. Which are timed races. And as timed races, they issue racing numbers to the cars. (Wow!) Thus, it's a race car.

 

[stanong11]

Yes it was. The fact that they used a Lancer Evolution shell is irrelevant, since touring cars and rally cars are built using the shell of a street car.



Yes you can. I know several companies that sell touring car engines (fully built) to outsiders. Circle track racecars all use off-the-shelf parts. Except at the highest levels of racing, many teams use off-the-shelf parts... and sometimes manufacturers and tuning garages sell fully-built racers for specific events. This encourages privateers to enter the sport.



Now you're just being silly:

The CT230R is built specifically to compete in Time Attack competitions. Which are timed races. And as timed races, they issue racing numbers to the cars. (Wow!) Thus, it's a race car.

I'm blind!!

 

[uMadson?]

So since people say that it wasn't built off the chassis of an Evo, should we conclude that it's a race car?

 

[Tornado]

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/db/product_chart.aspx?LN=EN&N_ID=546

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/db/product/files/CT200MR/CATALOGweb_CT230MR.pdf

Yeah... putting a similar body kit on a more-or-less stock Evo does not make it the same car.

 

[JDMsk8r]

It Is a Race Car!

 

[Tornado]

It Is!

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[JDMsk8r]

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You beat my post:idea:

 

[niky]

That was the turbo lag kicking in, yo.

 

[stanong11]

You see, the first sentence mention of the first link.
HKS CT230R has made a lot of fastest records as a tuning car.
The street version of CT230R was developed based on feedback from CT230R.

Still feels it's a tuner.

Okay, I slapped myself on the racing number.

 

[Thaddaeus]

when you put racing tyres on, it can easily compete with Race Cars above 550 PP (where as most normal or tuners are not competing any more after 550 pp).
For me its a Race car.
Might be my bad driving, but it just eats its front tyres. So i use other cars instead.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Yes it was. The fact that they used a Lancer Evolution shell is irrelevant, since touring cars and rally cars are built using the shell of a street car.

Yes you can. I know several companies that sell touring car engines (fully built) to outsiders. Circle track racecars all use off-the-shelf parts. Except at the highest levels of racing, many teams use off-the-shelf parts... and sometimes manufacturers and tuning garages sell fully-built racers for specific events. This encourages privateers to enter the sport.

Now you're just being silly:

The CT230R is built specifically to compete in Time Attack competitions. Which are timed races. And as timed races, they issue racing numbers to the cars. (Wow!) Thus, it's a race car.

U are so true on the subject, props ! But it is a little of both in my opinion, a tuner car takes a stock car and then modify the car to a race car like but only to compete in the same type/class of racing or cars, but some tuners have built some of theirs for more than one race type(the AEM S2000 is a drift/drag/track) that must be tested and dynoed 4 the car to work in the selected race. And pure race cars like a LMP are built for one goal in mind LeMans, or 24hr races not being used in a 24hr race then u see it on the 1/4mile track.

To me it half tuner and race car.