Honda Civic - 10th/11th Generation

[ProjectWHaT]

Type R does a 7:44.881 at the Nordschleife. They claim it's a new FWD record, because in 2019 official rules were added by the Nurburgring which increased the track length by 243 meters

Red Hot 2023 Honda Civic Type R Conquers “Green Hell” Nürburgring with New Front-Wheel Drive Track Record

The all-new 2023 Honda Civic Type R, the most powerful Honda production vehicle ever sold in the U.S.,has set a new track record for a front-wheel drive car around the iconic 20.8-kilometer Nürburgring Nordschleife in Germany—considered the most challenging road circuit ever devised—during...

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For the record-setting lap around the Nürburgring Nordschleife, the Civic Type R was fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect tires jointly developed with Michelin using know-how amassed through the development of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, which is the standard tire on the turbocharged hot hatch. Available through Honda dealers, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect tires further enhance the circuit performance of the vehicle, improving dry grip and Type R's well-balanced handling.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That thing has some serious jam. 250km/h just before Schwedenkreuz. The top speed of the old EK9 CTR was just 225km/h.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

The Type R used in the run may be allegedly more modified than originally reported

Honda Used New Lightweight Civic Type R-S To Set Nurburgring Record, But It's Not Coming To U.S. Or U.K. | Carscoops

The new Civic Type R S-grade comes without air conditioning, parking sensors and electric mirrors to save weight, but will only be offered in LHD European markets

www.carscoops.com

Most obviously, if you’re reading this in the U.S., you’ll have guessed that the record was set with a European-spec car whose KA 2.0-liter engine is rated at 325 hp (330 PS) whereas the North American version of the same car claims 315 hp (319 PS).

The record was set with a special lightweight version of the hot Civic called the Type R S grade or Type R S, a fact that wasn’t referenced at all in the North American media release and received only a passing mention in Honda Europe’s, which said only that model was a special grade only offered in LHD European markets. But we’ve been able to contact Honda Europe and find out what makes it special.

Essentially, it’s a regular Type R with a ton of equipment taken out, a bit like the old FK8 Type R LE revealed in 2020, but minus the yellow paint. It retains the 9-inch infotainment screen but loses the sat nav hardware and comes without air conditioning, the rear tonneau cover, parking sensors and cargo net hooks. Honda has also ditched the auto-dimming function for the rear view mirror, dropped the sun visor vanity illumination, and the door mirrors are old fashioned manual items with no electrical adjustment or heating function.

The other asterisk concerns the tires, which are not the same black circles your standard Type R leaves the showroom wearing. Stock, the R rolls on 265/30 ZR19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S rubber, but the record car was shod with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect boots. You’re probably familiar with the semi-slick Cup 2 tires from track-ready cars like the Porsche 911 GT3 RS, and the Connect suffix in this case signifies an updated version that can be used with Michelin Track Connect sensors to send real-time data to a smartphone app.

Michelin launched the Connect in 2020 and they’re fully road legal, but the rub here is that if you want them for your Civic Type R in Europe where the record was set, you can’t get them from Honda, you have to buy them direct from Michelin. They are available to order from Honda dealers in Asia and the U.S., however, so Honda is able to claim that they’re ‘production’ tires.

 

[Keef]

Type R does a 7:44.881 at the Nordschleife. They claim it's a new FWD record, because in 2019 official rules were added by the Nurburgring which increased the track length by 243 meters

Red Hot 2023 Honda Civic Type R Conquers “Green Hell” Nürburgring with New Front-Wheel Drive Track Record

The all-new 2023 Honda Civic Type R, the most powerful Honda production vehicle ever sold in the U.S.,has set a new track record for a front-wheel drive car around the iconic 20.8-kilometer Nürburgring Nordschleife in Germany—considered the most challenging road circuit ever devised—during...

hondanews.com

Hot diggity dawg.

 

[05XR8]

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I don't know how it's selling overall, but I've seen a few of these around so there's still a tiny bit of hope for sedans left.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I don't know how it's selling overall, but I've seen a few of these around so there's still a tiny bit of hope for sedans left.

The Type R isn't a sedan though, unless you just mean the Civic generally.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

The Type R isn't a sedan though, unless you just mean the Civic generally.

Yep, just in general. It's nice to see something doing well other than a CUV even if it's a hatch. I think I've seen a good mixture of sedan and hatchback.

But looking up sales, it doesn't look like they were too impressive. The Altima and Crosstrek sold more in 2022.

The 25 Bestselling Cars, Trucks, and SUVs of 2022

Supply issues continue to plague the industry, but these are the models that managed to reach the most buyers in 2022.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[05XR8]

Just looking at those 25 cars, if I were still living in the states(was living in Orlando before moving to Australia), aesthetically, I’d just buy the F-series and leave it at that.
I like the CR-V and Rogue, but all the other vehicles, on that list, aren’t standing out to me. Regardless of trim, it’s so bland.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Civic Hybrid along with a facelift

Here's Our First Look At The 2025 Honda Civic Hybrid

For the 2025 model year, the Honda Civic gets a handsome facelift and a new hybrid for sedan and hatchback bodystyles.

www.motor1.com

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The new Civic kind of drives me crazy. It's almost a tidy and rational design - but if you look to closely its still just odd. It's an improvement over the previous gen, don't get me wrong...but does it need to be so damn fussy? For instance, the facelift has added these like lower eyelids under the headlights. Why? It's like the designers are billing time & materials and just finding excuses to add more design elements to drive up their billable hours.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah but imo the new civic is the best looking design on the road these days. It's a classic.

 

[05XR8]

Tsuchiya testing a wing accessory for the Civic.

 

[TrdScionxB2]

The Racing Black Package for the Type R. The main addition being a suede interior. Also comes with a fancy air con knob, wireless charging, and an auto dimming mirror.

 

[05XR8]

Just saw that on my YouTube notification. The car is a year younger than me and I know Civic been with Honda since damn near the beginning, but I still can’t believe this is Honda’s only sports car.

 

[05XR8]

Special collaboration with Tomica.

トミカ55周年記念モデルのデザインを社内コンペで制作 空間デザイナーならではの視点で描くCIVIC TYPE R｜Interview｜Honda Design｜Honda 企業情報サイト

Honda Designはデザインに込めたHondaの想いを紹介するサイトです。デザインポリシー、プロセス、ワーク、テクノロジーなどを、現場の仕事風景やデザイナーの言葉を交えながら発信していきます。

global.honda

The design for the Tomica 55th anniversary model was selected through an in-house competition. Do you regularly hold events like this?​

At Honda
's Design Center, we usually hold competition-like contests to create product designs. This time, for the special project commemorating the 55th anniversary of Tomica, we were asked to take a different approach to our usual designs. The main themes were how to express the sense of scale and playfulness in the Tomica size, as well as the history and uniqueness of Honda and the Civic Type R.

I participated in this project because I wanted to take on a new challenge, making use of my experience in spatial design. Tomica is a product that symbolizes the car itself, and is loved by a wide range of age groups. I wanted to see how my design would be evaluated and how well it would function as an actual product, and I was attracted to the challenge of how to condense the essence of the actual car into a small model.

 

[sirjim73]

If only they still built them here...

 

[05XR8]

Just to show how different Honda Australia is to Honda USA. The local Honda dealership used to be in this building it’s been rebuilt for Hyundai, but it was this size):

Now it’s here across the street:

It’s that bad. I see new CR-V and HR-V and Civic Type-Rs, but Honda feels like a low volume brand over here. Nearly like coach builder low volume.
14,000 total Hondas were sold in 2024. Back in 2005 & 2006, over 10,000 Honda Accord Euros alone were sold each of those years.
It’s a shame Honda never sold the Ridgeline here. Especially the V6 Odysseys. Those two vehicles would have added something special to the brand for Australia. At the least to combat the Kia Carnival minivan and a soft roader Ute for people that didn’t want to buy another brand just for a utility vehicle.

 

[FT-1]

Just to show how different Honda Australia is to Honda USA. The local Honda dealership used to be in this building it’s been rebuilt for Hyundai, but it was this size):
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Now it’s here across the street:
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It’s that bad. I see new CR-V and HR-V and Civic Type-Rs, but Honda feels like a low volume brand over here. Nearly like coach builder low volume.
14,000 total Hondas were sold in 2024. Back in 2005 & 2006, over 10,000 Honda Accord Euros alone were sold each of those years.
It’s a shame Honda never sold the Ridgeline here. Especially the V6 Odysseys. Those two vehicles would have added something special to the brand for Australia. At the least to combat the Kia Carnival minivan and a soft roader Ute for people that didn’t want to buy another brand just for a utility vehicle.

It’s a similar story here in the UK. In 2008, Honda was one of the top 10 car brands, selling around 83,000 cars, even though that was already 21% less than the year before.

Nowadays, they’ve fallen out of the top 20. In 2024, they sold just over 30,000 cars — that’s 21% more than 2023, but still far behind their earlier numbers. Since Honda stopped building cars in the UK, the prices have gone up, which hasn’t helped.

 

[Keef]

Just to show how different Honda Australia is to Honda USA. The local Honda dealership used to be in this building it’s been rebuilt for Hyundai, but it was this size):
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Now it’s here across the street:
View attachment 1449903

It’s that bad. I see new CR-V and HR-V and Civic Type-Rs, but Honda feels like a low volume brand over here. Nearly like coach builder low volume.
14,000 total Hondas were sold in 2024. Back in 2005 & 2006, over 10,000 Honda Accord Euros alone were sold each of those years.
It’s a shame Honda never sold the Ridgeline here. Especially the V6 Odysseys. Those two vehicles would have added something special to the brand for Australia. At the least to combat the Kia Carnival minivan and a soft roader Ute for people that didn’t want to buy another brand just for a utility vehicle.

Do you have any sort of explanation for it? Besides shipping costs, that doesn't make a lot of sense, unless Australia simply isn't on the CUV fad like North America. One difference I can see occurring is that Australia is going to be quick to scoop up Chinese brands and cars while the US definitely will not accept that for a decade or more to come. For 10+ years now Honda has been expanding their dealer network with brand new dealerships - there were many examples of multi-brand dealers sharing building and garage space, but Honda started demanding separate buildings and new construction a while ago. Mazda is currently in the process of doing the same thing and obviously Mazda is in a brand image and sales rennaissance.

 

[05XR8]

Do you have any sort of explanation for it? Besides shipping costs, that doesn't make a lot of sense, unless Australia simply isn't on the CUV fad like North America. One difference I can see occurring is that Australia is going to be quick to scoop up Chinese brands and cars while the US definitely will not accept that for a decade or more to come. For 10+ years now Honda has been expanding their dealer network with brand new dealerships - there were many examples of multi-brand dealers sharing building and garage space, but Honda started demanding separate buildings and new construction a while ago. Mazda is currently in the process of doing the same thing and obviously Mazda is in a brand image and sales rennaissance.

The Honda dealership was its own building. Hyundai was in a smaller building to the right of that picture. Ford are to the left of Hyundai. Volkswagen, across the street, was rebuilt to accommodate EV equipment. That little shed was for Suzuki years ago, but moved to the right of it into a building that was Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi are on the same lot as Volkswagen, but in its own building.

Ever since I arrived back in 2007-2008, I was told by many Australians that Hondas weren’t appealing cars. In a sense that Mazdas and Toyotas were. Fast forward to today, the main reason are those falling sales. Honda has become like Saturn was back in the day, in that the price is the price.
The bread and butter cars are indeed the CUVs: CR-V, HR-V and ZR-V(I believe those are still in recall campaigns with two steering concerns).

The brand is nothing like I remember it here or in the states. Crazy.

 

[egl92]

Spoiler: 2024 sales in Spain

1	TOYOTA	95.614
2	VOLKSWAGEN	66.904
3	SEAT	65.299
4	HYUNDAI	64.841
5	RENAULT	64.236
6	KIA	59.901
7	DACIA	54.776
8	PEUGEOT	51.767
9	MERCEDES	47.071
10	BMW	45.249
11	AUDI	38.770
12	CITROEN	38.475
13	SKODA	38.255
14	NISSAN	31.519
15	MG	30.770
16	OPEL	25.719
17	FORD	25.596
18	CUPRA	22.431
19	VOLVO	18.179
20	MAZDA	17.526
21	TESLA	16.680
22	FIAT	14.082
23	JEEP	10.286
24	LEXUS	9159
25	MINI	7810
26	OMODA	7786
27	SUZUKI	6821
28	BYD	5393
29	KGM	5030
30	MITSUBISHI	4935
31	DS	3955
32	PORSCHE	3866
33	HONDA	3843
34	LAND ROVER	3045
35	ALFA ROMEO	2853
36	SUBARU	1382
37	LYNK&CO	1239
38	JAECOO	1099
39	SMART	995
40	POLESTAR	714
41	EVO	618
42	JAGUAR	290
43	DFSK	288
44	MASERATI	286
45	SWM	256
46	LEAPMOTOR	253
47	ABARTH	244
48	FERRARI	80
49	INEOS	66
50	XPENG	65
51	ALPINE	64
52	BENTLEY	59
53	ASTON MARTIN	58
54	LANCIA	57
55	YUDO	57
56	DONGFENG	50
57	LAMBORGHINI	4

It has very few dealerships and some are shared with other manufacturers.
The price doesn't help either.

If we compare the starting price of the Civic with the Corolla, there's a difference of €7,000 while between the CR-V and the RAV4 it's almost €8,000 and between the Jazz and the Yaris around €4,000.

 

[Keef]

Spoiler: 2024 sales in Spain

1	TOYOTA	95.614
2	VOLKSWAGEN	66.904
3	SEAT	65.299
4	HYUNDAI	64.841
5	RENAULT	64.236
6	KIA	59.901
7	DACIA	54.776
8	PEUGEOT	51.767
9	MERCEDES	47.071
10	BMW	45.249
11	AUDI	38.770
12	CITROEN	38.475
13	SKODA	38.255
14	NISSAN	31.519
15	MG	30.770
16	OPEL	25.719
17	FORD	25.596
18	CUPRA	22.431
19	VOLVO	18.179
20	MAZDA	17.526
21	TESLA	16.680
22	FIAT	14.082
23	JEEP	10.286
24	LEXUS	9159
25	MINI	7810
26	OMODA	7786
27	SUZUKI	6821
28	BYD	5393
29	KGM	5030
30	MITSUBISHI	4935
31	DS	3955
32	PORSCHE	3866
33	HONDA	3843
34	LAND ROVER	3045
35	ALFA ROMEO	2853
36	SUBARU	1382
37	LYNK&CO	1239
38	JAECOO	1099
39	SMART	995
40	POLESTAR	714
41	EVO	618
42	JAGUAR	290
43	DFSK	288
44	MASERATI	286
45	SWM	256
46	LEAPMOTOR	253
47	ABARTH	244
48	FERRARI	80
49	INEOS	66
50	XPENG	65
51	ALPINE	64
52	BENTLEY	59
53	ASTON MARTIN	58
54	LANCIA	57
55	YUDO	57
56	DONGFENG	50
57	LAMBORGHINI	4

It has very few dealerships and some are shared with other manufacturers.
The price doesn't help either.

If we compare the starting price of the Civic with the Corolla, there's a difference of €7,000 while between the CR-V and the RAV4 it's almost €8,000 and between the Jazz and the Yaris around €4,000.

That's wild.

Manufacturer	2024	vs 2023
1. Toyota​	1,986,954​	4%​
2. Ford​	1,960, 338​	2%​
3. Chevrolet​	1,730,075​	2%​
4. Honda​	1,291,490​	11%​
5. Nissan​	865,938​	11%​
6. Hyundai​	836,802​	4%​
7. Kia​	782, 451​	2%​
8. Subaru​	667, 725​	5%​
9. GMC​	614, 177​	9%​
10. Jeep​	587,725​	-9%​
11. Ram Trucks​	439,039​	-4%​
12. Mazda​	424,382​	17%​
13. Volkswagen​	379,178​	17%​
14. BMW​	371,346​	2%​

And Honda doesn't even sell to rental fleets. Toyota and Nissan have been bolstering their sales with tens of thousands of rental car sales for years now, and Mazda just started selling to rental fleets as part of their growth campaign a few years ago. I think the first Mazda rental car I ever got was back in 2018 and they were rare. Now, they've been highly sought after by renters. A great advertisement and sales boost for Mazda.

 

[Pupik]

And Honda doesn't even sell to rental fleets. Toyota and Nissan have been bolstering their sales with tens of thousands of rental car sales for years now, and Mazda just started selling to rental fleets as part of their growth campaign a few years ago. I think the first Mazda rental car I ever got was back in 2018 and they were rare. Now, they've been highly sought after by renters. A great advertisement and sales boost for Mazda.

Depends on the local rental outlet...I get a Honda about once a year since 2021. There's also been more auction sales picked up by rental car companies; some interesting 3-5 year-old vehicles with low mileage appeared in my spot during the shortage times of 2022 to mid-2023. I wonder if they pick up repos, too? I've had a few rental cars with tint and dealership advertisements on them which were fairly low mileage.

The five-year-old 4Runner with only 8000 miles on it was a head scratcher. Didn't mind that 5 Series with 15k on the odo but three years old.

Alas, I'm back to Chevy Malibus 25% the time since I usually put No SUVs in the request space. But I'm pretty happy with a Mazda 3 every time out.

 

[Keef]

Depends on the local rental outlet...I get a Honda about once a year since 2021. There's also been more auction sales picked up by rental car companies; some interesting 3-5 year-old vehicles with low mileage appeared in my spot during the shortage times of 2022 to mid-2023. I wonder if they pick up repos, too? I've had a few rental cars with tint and dealership advertisements on them which were fairly low mileage.

The five-year-old 4Runner with only 8000 miles on it was a head scratcher. Didn't mind that 5 Series with 15k on the odo but three years old.

Alas, I'm back to Chevy Malibus 25% the time since I usually put No SUVs in the request space. But I'm pretty happy with a Mazda 3 every time out.

I heard stories about the Covid-era shortages but I wasn't renting back then so I didn't get to experience it. I was a constant renter from 2017-2019, now I do it quite often again since 2023. I heard it was the wild west during my gap.

 

[FT-1]

Civic Type R being axed in the UK and Europe, bids farewell with a limited edition

Honda Civic Type R bows out: hot hatch legend pulled from UK and Europe | Autocar

Hot hatch follows Ford Focus ST in being pulled from sale in Europe; UK to get 10 Ultimate Edition cars

www.autocar.co.uk

As far as I can remember, Honda’s always had at least one aspirational, flagship model in its UK and European lineup. It’s a shame nothing is filling that role at the moment. The Prelude looks set to plug that gap, but I get the sense it’ll just be a sleeker Civic Hybrid rather than a true halo car.