How do i join the GTP team?

[Casio]

By not doing so would require two registrys/db's and would therefore double the workload. It's much simpler for those with the burden of keeping everything up to date

How so? Just add non GTP tagged members into the registered drivers list.

GTP_Stotty
BradleyH131
GTP_Superwally
GTP_Synwraith

 

[01GTP]

Casio, the first sentence in your signature does make sense if you don't understand.

If you want to participate then get a GTP tag or don't participate.
What's so hard to understand?

It sounds as though you are just questioning the authority that is the Online Racing Administration, the sanctioning body the created the WRS and the GTP Registry.
I have no problem with rules.

The tag can also just represent being part of the GTPlanet community.
Just another reason to have one to show your/our support for this. community.

I just had to show up here for Jerry.

 

[EDK]

How so? Just add non GTP tagged members into the registered drivers list.

Interesting that you would place yourself as Division 1 Silver, based on the company you are keeping.

 

[mafia_boy]

Guys, I can see where Sphinx is coming from and agree with it. It's less confusion for the WRS Admin Team. Also, the overall leaderboard allows the D4 guys to be able to compete with the D1 guys, remember it's not just you stuck in your own division. It's like ALMS, you have the overall winners + your class winners, but the lower class winner could be an overall winner if his time is the quickest. And consistently punching above your weight gets you promoted to the higher divisions.

Am I in the ball park there Sphinx, EDK & other WRS Admins??

 

[EDK]

Guys, I can see where Sphinx is coming from and agree with it. It's less confusion for the WRS Admin Team. Also, the overall leaderboard allows the D4 guys to be able to compete with the D1 guys, remember it's not just you stuck in your own division. It's like ALMS, you have the overall winners + your class winners, but the lower class winner could be an overall winner if his time is the quickest. And consistently punching above your weight gets you promoted to the higher divisions.

Am I in the ball park there Sphinx, EDK & other WRS Admins??

Definitely in the ballpark. 👍

It's really just a progression of the old, WRS division system. I've run and participated in both online events and WRS events. There's no such thing as a perfect system, but the one we have works really well.

Based on the number of registry members, and the overall participation in WRS and events, I'd say we are pleasing a number of GTPers.

 

[Diego440]

If you want to participate then get a GTP tag or don't participate.
What's so hard to understand?

That before you didn't need to 'brand' yourself with a GTP tag in order to participate.

It sounds as though you are just questioning the authority that is the Online Racing Administration, the sanctioning body the created the WRS and the GTP Registry.

While I'm not one to nitpick every post, this part really made me laugh out loud. The "Online Racing Administration"... whoa... "the sanctioning body"... do you guys get real badges and get to flash them around too? Do you get to pack guns as well? Cool!

The tag can also just represent being part of the GTPlanet community.
Just another reason to have one to show your/our support for this. community.

That's a lot of community.... feeling communal?

Dude, it's GTPlanet, in order to post in the GTP forums, you need to be a GTP member. How's that for already belonging to the community? I don't really mind the whole GTP_ registry thing, but needing to have such a tag in order to participate in the WRS? That's just absurd.

I just had to show up here for Jerry.

That makes even less sense.

Interesting that you would place yourself as Division 1 Silver, based on the company you are keeping.

I find it disturbing how whenever you question something, PART OF the staff rounds up and bullies the original questioner. Definitely not cool 👎

 

[Jump_Ace]

/\ The whole staff? You mean the people whose job it is to read threads for content (etc. etc.)? I only see three in this thread, what about the other, what is it 20 or so, I don't see them in here 'bullying'.

Jerome

 

[Diego440]

I should've clarified... the WRS staff... or should it be the Sanctioning Body for the Online Racing Administration?

And it's not the whole staff... I'll edit that out.

 

[EDK]

I find it disturbing how whenever you question something, PART OF the staff rounds up and bullies the original questioner. Definitely not cool 👎

Do you mean that you find it disturbing whenever I question something?

Did you really view my post as "bullying"?

Do you have other examples of me, or other admin staff, "bullying" members?

We do defend our position, yes. We all put a lot of hard work, effort, volunteer hours into the OLR events here at GTP. And it's particularly frustrating when those who don't participate begin to question our rules or intentions.

 

[Synwraith]

On a similar topic, why is it that we have to have a GTP tag to compete in the GTP WRS? I think it's ridiculous, and the main reason that I'm not competing in the GT5 WRS.

That's not really my issue (although changing from GTP to Non-GTP tags I'm sure is a slight inconvenience) to me it just seems that GTP members are effectively forced into being GTP advertising boards if they want to compete in OLR.

This isn't really the case, for the GT5P race events they were all posted (along with the schedules and guidelines) in the race events forum, so if you wanted to race against GTP members you could always pop in to those races. Many non-GTP drivers have raced us over the last 18 months including Sinibomb [GB], FAK_EV1L[IT], meagainstyou[PT] etc. They're always welcome.

I have gone away.

When I race I want to race for myself, not being forced to become another member of the 'GTP Clan'. I am happy to fly the flag for GTP when I want to, like I did when I volunteered many hours of my times to compete for GTP during the BC's, but being forced to create a new PSN_ID for really no reason that I can see other than advertising the website on leaderboards I do not feel is right.

When we run WRS it is incredibly rare for us to actually use the online leaderboards, the TTs are usually done offline by the competitors in order to keep the final time secret until deadline day. It just adds spice and suspense, basically more interest, to the results.

I just realized that in order to participate you can't even log onto the PSN with your GTP name. What exactly is the point than?

See above 👍

Remember if you want to compare yourself to the regular GTP WRS competitors to see where you would place in the divisions, you can check out the WRS forum and run the time trial online or offline and compare your final time to the results. Or if that week's WRS is an online event-based freerun event, you're pretty much in the same boat as the GTP WRS competitors as their times are not on a PD-supported website or leaderboard.

If your desire is to actually actively compete with and among the GTP tagged drivers, share in the excitement, be a part of the community and generally have racing buddies....well that's basically what the GTP tag stands for, so why not just get one of your own?

All the best
Maz

 

[superwally]

That before you didn't need to 'brand' yourself with a GTP tag in order to participate.

If it bothers you to be 'branded' as such, then why not just use the GTP tag only when you participate in GTP online events and the WRS, and leave it at that? No one is forcing you to use the tag when racing online-there are lots of people who race in the scheduled events without the tag. They participate in the threads about the races, it's no big deal. Most racing isn't sanctioned, so that will bet the bulk of your presence as a racer anyway.

 

[Jump_Ace]

I always looked at it as, if you want to race in the WRS you have to qualify for a division anyway, now we get something to show for it, show where we came from and spent our hard work. Plus, anything that can make moderating things easier means happy(ier?) moderators, or so the theory goes

Jerome

 

[Diego440]

Do you mean that you find it disturbing whenever I question something?

Don't flatter yourself, I meant the part of the staff and 'racers' who posted.

Did you really view my post as "bullying"?

Again, not yours particularly, but the whole participants'.

Do you have other examples of me, or other admin staff, "bullying" members?

Ummm no, not really. I don't really post or even go into the WRS threads. Actually, I just found out about the requisite of the GTP_ tag; hence why I'm questioning it. I think I did the WRS twice when it was with GT4 and found I was completely outclassed.

We do defend our position, yes. We all put a lot of hard work, effort, volunteer hours into the OLR events here at GTP. And it's particularly frustrating when those who don't participate begin to question our rules or intentions.

Awww... hurting your feelings wasn't among my goals. Now I'm feeling bad. But seriously, me not being part of the WRS doesn't give me the right to question its reasons?

Though I can't help but notice that the first post questioning the validity and/or meaning of the GTP_Registry was met by swift and cutting responses by more than one user.

Most online leagues in the PC sims are the same way. Get used to it or go away

As for the advertising claim. That's just foolish thinking and shows to me that those who believe this have no concept of the true purpose of the GTP_Registry.

I just had to show up here for Jerry.

I think someone needs to get their priorities in order. I'm not questioning the significance of the WRS... I think it's awesome, though I don't race in it. What I'm asking (for the 2nd time now) is why do you need a GTP_ tag and can't keep it as it was in GT4 (and prior installments) with just the user name. Now tell me why questioning that is frustrating.

I can see the GTP_ tag being a way to identify GTP members online, but it rarely guarantees you a clean racer. I've raced online against GTP-tagged members and been swiped so many times I just had to quit the race.

 

[Casio]

We do defend our position, yes. We all put a lot of hard work, effort, volunteer hours into the OLR events here at GTP. And it's particularly frustrating when those who don't participate begin to question our rules or intentions.

I think it's valid to raise issues people have with the rules when it's effecting people's participation.

If your desire is to actually actively compete with and among the GTP tagged drivers, share in the excitement, be a part of the community and generally have racing buddies....well that's basically what the GTP tag stands for, so why not just get one of your own?

My desire is just to race for the sake of racing, without having to ass around with different profiles which no one has really given a good reason for why it is required to compete in the WRS. You don't need a GTP tag to race other GTP drivers, or be part of a community. And you're not differentiating yourself from other 'clans' or 'boards', because everyone has to have the same tag.

I would understand the tag requirement if it was an official competition between other boards, like the old Board Challenges. But when everyone has to have the same tag to only compete against other people who also have the same tag, it makes the whole exercise redundant. Why has it suddenly changed from GT4?

 

[EDK]

I find it disturbing how whenever you question something, PART OF the staff rounds up and bullies the original questioner. Definitely not cool 👎

So, we round up and bully the questioner everytime members question something?

Ummm no, not really. I don't really post or even go into the WRS threads. Actually, I just found out about the requisite of the GTP_ tag; hence why I'm questioning it. I think I did the WRS twice when it was with GT4 and found I was completely outclassed.

But you don't have any examples, because you don't visit the forums we frequent?

Awww... hurting your feelings wasn't among my goals. Now I'm feeling bad. But seriously, me not being part of the WRS doesn't give me the right to question its reasons?

Don't flatter yourself. without participating in the WRS, without visiting the forums and seeing how it works, how would you be in a position to have appropriate knowledge to question our rules? That's the frustrating part. Having people with no experience or skin in the game question the rules, try to invent a better mousetrap. How do you know you need a better mousetrap, if you haven't even used the one you do have?

I think someone needs to get their priorities in order. I'm not questioning the significance of the WRS... I think it's awesome, though I don't race in it. What I'm asking (for the 2nd time now) is why do you need a GTP_ tag and can't keep it as it was in GT4 (and prior installments) with just the user name. Now tell me why questioning that is frustrating.

Just like in GT4 WRS, you have to qualify in order to participate. That part is the same.

However, with the introduction of the PS3 and PSN, we now have online user ID's that were not present in the PS2 versions of Gran Turismo. As Sphinx mentioned, the GTP_Tag is a quick and easy way to identify that you are racing with people who have similar on track manners, and are likely at a higher skill level than the majority of online racers.

Beyond that, we do have the occasional WRS event that's run in online free run. This gives people the opportunity to run with their tag, which shows up on their replay. That's not a need to have, but it's a nice to have, to validate the submissions and replays you are viewing are being run by the person who says they ran them. (Same with the qualifier).

We're here to provide a fun, clean racing environment for the registry members. I believe the tag furthers that cause. You don't have to agree with it, but we do have some valid reasons for it.

 

[Sphinx]

How so? Just add non GTP tagged members into the registered drivers list.

In no particular order:

1. It looks unprofessional

2. It highlights a lack of commitment towards Team GTP

3. It could be seen by some that it’s beneath those who have no GTP tag, even though they may be more than willing to take part in official OLR events (the WRS being one of them) organised by GTP OLR admins

4. The registry and its qualifier was already in place at the time the WRS migrated over to GT5P that required a new qualifier and driver list, it was therefore logical to apply the same requirements to all official GTP OLR events at that time.

5. Tags will be used by all teams when competing against other boards once real time OLR comes into play in the future. We are now well prepared for this.

6. The WRS will need to evolve in order survive the changeover to real time OLR, and tags will play an important role in its survival.

The entire excerise in creating the registry was to merge all offical events using the same requirements & rules and prepare in the best way we can for the future (real time OLR). It may appear that it would be no problem to have tagged and non-tagged drivers in the registry at this time, but as I keep mentioning, it's all about preparing for the future, and I'm afraid tags will play a big role when that time arrives.

 

[Diego440]

Don't flatter yourself. without participating in the WRS, without visiting the forums and seeing how it works, how would you be in a position to have appropriate knowledge to question our rules? That's the frustrating part. Having people with no experience or skin in the game question the rules,

Dude, I didn't question your rules per se... I asked why the GTP_ tag was needed. That is all.

As Sphinx mentioned, the GTP_Tag is a quick and easy way to identify that you are racing with people who have similar on track manners, and are likely at a higher skill level than the majority of online racers.

As much as I'd like to believe that, I simply can't. I'm not implying you're a liar, I've just been bumped so many times by GTP-tagged members, I've lost faith in all of it. And that's certainly not WRS' or GTP's fault, but the GTP-tag would ideally mean a member has the necessary skill, but in reality anyone can put the GTP tag. Again, this is beyond the issue.

to validate the submissions and replays you are viewing are being run by the person who says they ran them. (Same with the qualifier)... We're here to provide a fun, clean racing environment for the registry members. I believe the tag furthers that cause.

Yay! Question answered!

You don't have to agree with it, but we do have some valid reasons for it.

Fair enough. I think it could still work differently, but opinions are just that.

 

[dakster]

I see EDK mentioned that the drivers wearing the GTP tag are likely of a higher skill level than most online racers. Do you have to be of a certain skill level before you are accepted into the GTP registry?

The above is not a jibe, i wouldn't mind trying to earn a GTP tag, but being honest aren't a fast driver. I played the older GT"s so have some experience and have just invested in a wheel, but i'm inexperienced in GT5p.

My view on having the tag is i think it's a great idea:

community
encourage better driving
learn from more experienced drivers
events
identity

Could go on.

 

[Diego440]

I see EDK mentioned that the drivers wearing the GTP tag are likely of a higher skill level than most online racers. Do you have to be of a certain skill level before you are accepted into the GTP registry?

Although you'll probably get other answers, in reality you can log on right now to the PSN and get your GTP_ prefix without having to qualify for anything.

Ideally the GTP_ tag would mean indeed that the users have a higher skill level than other non tagged users, but it wouldn't be because they've earned it, but because there's a sense of community and an overall want to do things right... however esoteric that may sound.

The GTP_ tag means (beyond the actual GTP-member) that you're part of a community that supports and promotes clean, competitive racing.

 

[homeforsummer]

I can see the GTP_ tag being a way to identify GTP members online, but it rarely guarantees you a clean racer. I've raced online against GTP-tagged members and been swiped so many times I just had to quit the race.

...And there's a system by which you can alert moderators if GTP_tagged drivers are badly representing the site with their driving standards. If you've been consistantly side-swiped by a tagged driver then it's up to you to mention it to one of the moderators here and with sufficient evidence I'm sure it'd be dealt with appropriately.

If I'm even slightly sure that my driving isn't up to scratch (such as when I've not played GT5P in ages) I don't use my GTP tag. I reserve that for when I feel I'm at a level that I can represent the site in a positive way.

 

[Joey D]

Hmmm, now I'm questioning my GTP_ tag for if I do ever decide to go online. I'll set the record straight, I suck at racing games compared to a majority of people here, so my skills are pretty weaksauce. I also see no problem with bumping during a race, which I know has enraged other members before although I will never purposely crash into anyone or try to run them off the track. I'm just under the impression racing is often close and contact happens and I shouldn't go all out to avoid it because that makes for lame racing.

So if someone does end up reporting me, what happens? I'm assuming it isn't a trial by fire but I'm curious. This is also bearing in mind that I had the GTP_ tag before it was instituted into the race series. This isn't a jab at the WRS and I don't want anyone getting jumpy about it, I'm just curious.

 

[Omnis]

Why do I have a feeling this could all be solved with a clan tag feature? I bet the Sanctioning Body of Authority for the Online Racing Administration is going to feel real stupid when PD figures out how to put clan tags in the online multiplayer portion of their game. [GTP]GTP_Omnis, yay for redundancy.

 

[Sphinx]

Why do I have a feeling this could all be solved with a clan tag feature? I bet the Sanctioning Body of Authority for the Online Racing Administration is going to feel real stupid when PD figures out how to put clan tags in the online multiplayer portion of their game. [GTP]GTP_Omnis, yay for redundancy.

No more stupid than all the other GT sites that have done exactly the same:

GTro
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=69

GTRP
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=66

GTPT
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=70

GTHQ
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=71

GT5rs
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=63

If they do add the tag feature, then no problem. We, and as you can see everyone else has also prepared in case they don't.

 

[Northstar]

...And there's a system by which you can alert moderators if GTP_tagged drivers are badly representing the site with their driving standards. If you've been consistantly side-swiped by a tagged driver then it's up to you to mention it to one of the moderators here and with sufficient evidence I'm sure it'd be dealt with appropriately.

If I'm even slightly sure that my driving isn't up to scratch (such as when I've not played GT5P in ages) I don't use my GTP tag. I reserve that for when I feel I'm at a level that I can represent the site in a positive way.

And what would reporting someone accomplish?

Aside from banning someone from the site(has this even happened?) they wouldn't be able to do anything as they have no control over the PSN.

 

[Sphinx]

And what would reporting someone accomplish?

Aside from banning someone from the site(has this even happened?) they wouldn't be able to do anything as they have no control over the PSN.

Correct, we don't have control over the PSN, but we do have control over GTP organised events.

They don't get banned from the site (I've been away for a while so things could've changed), just removed from the registry.

EDIT.
removal from the registry is a very rare event as most learn by gaining more experience.

 

[mafia_boy]

You aren't the only one who was away for a while Sphinx, but I will be the first to say it's GREAT to have you back dude. Sometimes banter between you and I has been less than cordial (like the GT4_WRS incident, I think you remember that.... ) but it's always great to get the input from the founder of the WRS series regardless. 👍

But I do remember that repeated registry infractions will get you banned from the site altogether, not just the registry. One case was that a guy was removed from the registry for multiple GTP_xxxx tags, so he became an ass and created a new PSN profile JUST so he could ram GTP_xxxx affiliated members off the track which was responded to by removing him from GTP altogether. I'll put up the example (with names removed of course. )

Removed from GTP_Registry for registering two GTP Tags (rule violation), invited to re-apply if he so desired but received an infraction for his multiple accounts (now all banned). Decided to create another account and went about punting all GTP_Tagged drivers off the track. Received another infraction for the sixth account and also for ignoring moderator instructions and subsequently is now banned for all his efforts.

So things might have changed a little bit from when you were in complete control but it's still your baby, and you guys in the WRS Admin team always get the respect from me for all your efforts and when I get my PS3, I'll be putting up my qualifier to get approval for the WRS. 👍 The quality of racers who compete in it make it one of if not the best competitions to go around all Gran Turismo forums, not just GTP. 👍👍

 

[Omnis]

If they do add the tag feature, then no problem. We, and as you can see everyone else has also prepared in case they don't.

So you're saying you will abandon the current naming conventions, yes? Then what is the problem?

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I see GTP as one huge Dysfunctional family that i love.

There are good times, and there are bad times.
We support each other.
And sometimes we can't stand each other.
Just like a family.

I rather race in a family then race by myself.
That way no one can see your achievements
No on can give you tips.
And you would miss out on all the fun events.

Ok...i'm done.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Hmmm, now I'm questioning my GTP_ tag for if I do ever decide to go online. I'll set the record straight, I suck at racing games compared to a majority of people here, so my skills are pretty weaksauce. I also see no problem with bumping during a race, which I know has enraged other members before although I will never purposely crash into anyone or try to run them off the track. I'm just under the impression racing is often close and contact happens and I shouldn't go all out to avoid it because that makes for lame racing.

So if someone does end up reporting me, what happens?

I wouldn't worry about it. The GTP_tag doesn't mean you're perfect (though some people believe otherwise ). It just means you're a person who at least tries to drive clean and uphold the OLR rules.

I for one, am a division 4 racer, which means I'm about 5-10 seconds (depending on track) per lap slower than the division 1 racers, I will make judgement errors, I will overcook corners, I will occasionally (unintentionally) make contact, etc. etc. Most other GTP members understand that. Whenever your fault results in another driver losing a spot or crashing, just stop and let them pass, and if it was really nasty, send them a PM. I make many mistakes online, and I have never had a bad response, PMs or reports.

Besides that, the difference in skill usually makes sure that I'm not in the way of the better drivers, which means I'm usually up against people of my own level.

The only way to learn how to properly drive online is by doing it. You should join and see how relaxed the most part of the whole lot is.

 

[Sphinx]

You aren't the only one who was away for a while Sphinx, but I will be the first to say it's GREAT to have you back dude. Sometimes banter between you and I has been less than cordial (like the GT4_WRS incident, I think you remember that.... ) but it's always great to get the input from the founder of the WRS series regardless. 👍

But I do remember that repeated registry infractions will get you banned from the site altogether, not just the registry. One case was that a guy was removed from the registry for multiple GTP_xxxx tags, so he became an ass and created a new PSN profile JUST so he could ram GTP_xxxx affiliated members off the track which was responded to by removing him from GTP altogether. I'll put up the example (with names removed of course. )



So things might have changed a little bit from when you were in complete control but it's still your baby, and you guys in the WRS Admin team always get the respect from me for all your efforts and when I get my PS3, I'll be putting up my qualifier to get approval for the WRS. 👍 The quality of racers who compete in it make it one of if not the best competitions to go around all Gran Turismo forums, not just GTP. 👍👍

Ah yes, I remember that incident now. I would like to stress that his removal from the site was caused by his consistant rule violations of the AUP after he was removed from the registry. He was removed from the registry for violating Registrty registration entry rules by creating multiple registrations and competing in the same events under different names.

So you're saying you will abandon the current naming conventions, yes? Then what is the problem?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the registry was created near on two years ago and at that time we had little to go on in terms of when GT5 would be realeased and what features would be included in the game. We therefore had to second guess as to what may await us around the corner and tags was just one of those preperations to ensure that we were ready to act as soon as GT5 was realeased.

As I've already said, the registry is near on two years in the making and is on going, but we now have four well developed divisions that have taken a long time to balance in terms of driver ability (thanks mainly to the WRS), we also have the ability to quickly draw up Online race teams from the those divisions and we have those wonderful tags all ready to go when we need them

Can you imagine the chaos that would errupt if we were to just sit here for GT5 to be realeased and only attempt to organise ourselves in week one of GT5.

It's all about being prepared for the future. We didn't know what's around the corner two years ago, and we still don't. Will there be a tag feature in the game? Who knows, perhaps you do? But isn't it always wise to be prepared to the best of your ability instead of jumping in late in the day?

As with many things in life, the tags will remain a requirement for as long as there is a need.

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