how do you tame the car with all aids off

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I cannot remember how much weight those 3 stages in game took off from car, but I shouldn't have done last weight reducion. Now I fix my "error" putting lost weight back but I have more freedom to choose where. Hehe.
 
Tappajakoala
Andy89,

I have nice behaving - well, it won't kick and bite me very hard anymore - RUF in GT5 I enjoy driving Nürburgring. There's few uphills, car just would like to go flying because front is way too light. I can't get aero parts fro it, car has rear engine and huge rear wing, but nothing really to keep front down. It felt understeering everytime, Now I'm looking for bitest amount of ballast to front and make it feel better for my liking. :)
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Yes, Ruf can be very difficult to tame, it's true... I had a long time to understand how to drive it with little risks :lol: I have to try ballast on it, but I'm not sure it would do a big difference on it, because it oversteer in the exit of a corner, but it also undesteer in the corner entry, so adding too much ballast would solve the oversteer, but increase the understeer in corner entry. I remember when I tried it on Nurburgring that had a lot of understeer, when you loose the front, It begin to oversteer insanely because of its RR transmission
 
nissman
Lotus Elise 111R is the fastest production car in a corner. I wonder why...
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Most likely, because it's agile little sportcar which has middle engine and designers has managed to get aerodynamics, suspension and balance of the car great. And...it's light weight. ;)
 
adding ballast won't make a car faster, the case is just that there is minimum weight.....so if you build the car underweight and add ballast to it you have more freedom in weight distribution, however it just means ballast can help weight distribution, it won't make it faster.

If that same car is allowed to run under weight it will no doubt be faster.
 
Just make sure you don't go WOT (way open throttle) before your steeringwheel is straight.
 
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PAWEL17
Trying the FGT with no aids is madness!
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It's NUTS I tell you! Had to do the FGT Championship last night like that. Only way I could get the car to victory was with no aids. :crazy:
 
Practice, practice practice practice. That's all I can really say. Even the most lethal handling cam be tamed if you're ready for it, and even well-balanced cars have a dangerous side.
 
This is the same guy that made a thread about automatic transmission being faster. Now I see he drives with aids too? No comment.
 
nissman
Why does an F1 car have 500 kg then?

Yes they pass the regulations but they are not faster becouse of it, probablly slower.
Also did you hear of weight balast rule in motorsprts. They add weight to cars, simply becouse they are to fast so they add weight to even out the field.
Weight will never help you with cornering speed. Weight pushes the car out of the corner not in.
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Downforce = Weight at speed... F1 cars are designed for maximum downforce so they are controllable at speed, but because of their low weight they are hard to control at low speed.
 
TeamLotusGT5
Downforce = Weight at speed... F1 cars are designed for maximum downforce so they are controllable at speed, but because of their low weight they are hard to control at low speed.
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So you are saying that a heavier f1 car would be faster.
 
TeamLotusGT5
Downforce = Weight at speed... F1 cars are designed for maximum downforce so they are controllable at speed, but because of their low weight they are hard to control at low speed.
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No. It's because they don't produce downforce at slow speeds. Would a 4000kg F1 car go around corners better than a 500kg one? NO!
 
freight48
No. It's because they don't produce downforce at slow speeds. Would a 4000kg F1 car go around corners better than a 500kg one? NO!
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/sigh.

I didnt say that. What I am saying is that a 4000kg F1 car would be more controllable. Ofcourse I am not saying it would be faster, The F1 cars light weight helps acceleration out of the corner.

All I am saying is that it is not as simple as saying that lower weight means faster. May be right for mass, but not weight as downforce adds to it.
 
TeamLotusGT5
/sigh.

I didnt say that. What I am saying is that a 4000kg F1 car would be more controllable. Ofcourse I am not saying it would be faster, The F1 cars light weight helps acceleration out of the corner.

All I am saying is that it is not as simple as saying that lower weight means faster. May be right for mass, but not weight as downforce adds to it.
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High weight makes for bad cornering. Go test it out with the F2007 or F10.
 
Downforce increases the downwards force between the tires and the road (and thus the force of friction) without increasing the car's weight. This lets the car corner faster. Weight doesn't let a car corner any better, because just as weight increases the friction between the tires and the road, it also increases the amount of work that friction needs to do to corner.
 
freight48
High weight makes for bad cornering. Go test it out with the F2007 or F10.
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I am talking more about the grip over the tyres. Wheelspin etc. A higher weight will prevent that. But, ofcourse, F1 cars these days have grip from way more things thaan old fashioned weight..
 
freight48
High weight makes for bad cornering. Go test it out with the F2007 or F10.
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I think you're both speaking about the same thing. Downforce works by putting weight (through downward pressure) on the tires which gives them more grip.

Does an eraser grip harder when you drag it across a desk if you're pressing down lightly or firmly?

The difference between dead weight and downforce is obviously in the handling/accelerating characteristics, but both will increase grip of the tires. Weight obviously has the downside of increasing mass and momentum which can negate the benefit of increased grip.
 
put the power down slowly and only apply full throttle when the cars steering is facing the direction you want to go.

Also dont be jerky with your inputs be smooth. Unless you want to provoke understeer / oversteer.
 
charliec
So tire grip (part of mechanical grip) has nothing to do with the amount of vertical force applied onto it?
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It does but it's only to a point. Putting a few KG via weight transfer makes a positive difference, putting 200kg on it will cause a crash.
 
charliec
Mechanical grip is a function of weight (and the tires coefficient of friction) I believe
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Ok here we go again. Are you saying a 5 ton car with sticky tyres has the best mechanical grip in low speed corners?

The main thing for good mechanical grip is suspension and not much more.
 

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