How many cars should GT6 have?

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^ Agreed.

Edit: I'm gonna go toy around the list of cars sitting in my desktop. I'm gonna add some Porsches or RUFs, but not posting it here though. ;)
 
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Griffith500
AI, physics and sounds can all be improved on the current hardware (whether they will is another matter; no doubt there'll be changes, but I expect the full spectrum of responses from us players, as usual.)

Yes but it Takes Time. And if they dont have time. And they wont have if they Release a ps3 Game.
The Sound,... didnt improve since GT1 or only very Slow. Give them 4-5 years for a PS4 Game instead of 2 Games in 6 years.

Griffith500
As for losses and competition, if it's really such an issue, doesn't it make more sense to get another game out sooner rather than later? Especially on something that already exists and works (GT5's "engine"), rather than investing more in something unproven and untested?

No. GT6 on PS3 wouldn't be a console seller anymore. But GT6 on PS4 will be a System seller. And they Need System seller, because MS did Double their first party Studios. That means more exklusiv Games.

A GT6 on PS3 will have competition with pCARS and a other Games. Beside it will be released 2013, if it comes to ps3. Well rumours and realistic the New Xbox will be released in 2013 or early 2014.
That means MS has a huge System seller and GT6 on PS3 can't compete with Forza on next Gen. Both are on par this Generation.
That means for Sony they will lose Fans and System seller. And they have to Rush a unfinished GT7 to PS4 to solve it.
Unrealistic?
Yamauchi wanted 2 more years for GT5 and Sony didnt gave him the Time, because Forza grown and they needed exklusive.

Its better for Sony and the Customer to have a GT6 on PS4 early in the cycle.

@ engine topic

Frostbite2.0 , CryEngine 3,.... are all working on on this generation, but they were Build for next Gen too. That means if PD did the Same they dont have to do a complete New Engine.

Griffith500
And if millions of players enjoy a GT6 on PS3, how can that ever be called a waste?

What Fans want and what the Company Wants isn't the Same. Some Fans dont Look about 3-7 years ahead. But company's do.
 
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Yes but it Takes Time. And if they dont have time. And they wont have if they Release a ps3 Game.
The Sound,... didnt improve since GT1 or only very Slow. Give them 4-5 years for a PS4 Game instead of 2 Games in 6 years.
Time has nothing to do with it. There were cars that sounded better in GT2 than they do in GT5. GT2! And they didn't have half a decade and 80 million to make GT2. It has nothing to do with time, or hardware restrictions, or financial investment. It has to do with effort expended and level of competence.


And how is a game every 3 years suddenly a crippling restriction?


No. GT6 on PS3 wouldn't be a console seller anymore. But GT6 on PS4 will be a System seller. And they Need System seller, because MS did Double their first party Studios. That means more exklusiv Games.
You are still ignoring what people have been saying.

A GT6 on PS3 will have competition with pCARS and a other Games. Beside it will be released 2013, if it comes to ps3. Well rumours and realistic the New Xbox will be released in 2013 or early 2014.
So? It will still sell millions and millions and millions of copies.

That means MS has a huge System seller and GT6 on PS3 can't compete with Forza on next Gen. Both are on par this Generation.
That means for Sony they will lose Fans and System seller. And they have to Rush a unfinished GT7 to PS4 to solve it.
Unrealistic?
Rush? We don't even know when the PS4 or GT6 will come out! How can you even begin to justify that statement?

Yamauchi wanted 2 more years for GT5 and Sony didnt gave him the Time, because Forza grown and they needed exklusive.
Sony didn't give him the time because they had already given him basically unlimited everything up to that point and Kaz still didn't want to release the damn game.

Stop acting like GT5 was some indy game that big bad Sony simply refused to let be developed the way Kaz wanted.


Its better for Sony and the Customer to have a GT6 on PS4 early in the cycle.
Oh? Explain this.

What Fans want and what the Company Wants isn't the Same. Some Fans dont Look about 3-7 years ahead. But company's do.
Some fans don't seem to realize that a company can do both, apparently. Because we've again come back to the fact that GT7 is totally a thing that can and will exist regardless of what GT6 ends up being.
















That's the thing. I remember that, in an interview, Kaz didn't know that the "duplicates" were frowned upon, so I don't think he's going to add anymore so-called "duplicates".

If Kaz doesn't want people to rail against "duplicates," he needs to:
  • Make sure the differences are actually modeled. Accurately.
  • Make people aware of the differences between the models.
  • Not put in cars where the differences don't actually exist (ie. MNP R34, No Stripe GT) or the cars themselves don't actually exist (ie. 3000GT SR, GS300 Vertex Edition) so people's ire isn't raised in the first place because PD are padding the numbers. In essence, the cars that actually ARE duplicates need to go bye bye.

GT4 and especially GT5 don't do any of those things properly (whereas GT1 and GT2 did a pretty good job of it), which is most likely the main reason that people have their jimmies rustled over it.
 
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Sony didn't give him the time because they had already given him basically unlimited everything up to that point and Kaz still didn't want to release the damn game.

Stop acting like GT5 was some indy game that big bad Sony simply refused to let be developed the way Kaz wanted.
That's not why I bring that up from time to time. I bring it up, because people keep saying certain things feel incomplete and wonder about the game's design, just everything like that.

Kaz fully expected that he'd be given ALL the time he needed. I can only imagine what he must have felt when they told him it wasn't true any longer.


Journalist: Why did it take so long? And what is yet to come to perfect the game?

Kazunori Yamauchi: All the parts of GT are very difficult to develop and there's quite a gap between just completing something and perfecting it. In the process there's a lot of work involved between and sometimes that means getting rid of what you already have and starting afresh. That's what took the longest.

Nov. 2011
GTP: There has been much discussion and debate in GTPlanet’s community regarding GT5’s Standard and Premium cars. Could you explain how you came to the decision of which cars would be Premium and which would remain Standard, such as the Bugatti Veyron?

KY: It wasn’t a matter of making a decision, we just didn’t have time to do it! There is still a possibility that some Standard cars may become Premium in the future.


GTP: If you could go back in time and start over with GT5, is there anything you would do differently?

KY: No, because I think everything that I thought about in that way, we have done in the updates. If I can think of one, I think we should have made more A-Spec races. When you buy a car, it’s fun to be able to participate in a lot of races with that car, and I don’t think there were enough.


GTP: How will you decide when to stop supporting Gran Turismo 5 and begin the transition to Gran Turismo 6?

KY: [Laughs] I’ll think about that next year!


Polyphony are conjuring up ideas for Gran Turismo 6. At the 2010 SEMA Show he was asked by Autoweek whether or not development on GT6 has begun.
"Yeah" followed by, “It’s not something that we can talk that lightly on. It took 2,000 days to get all the ideas that went into GT5. It’s just too early to be talking about GT6.”
He also explains the reasons as to why Gran Truismo 5 was delayed at the last minute (edit - Nov. 2 date moved to Nov. 21).
“It was really to adjust it so it would be perfect,”.
“The first game that I made was Motor Toon Grand Prix for the first PlayStation. The year and a half that it was in development, the last three months as the release date approached, myself and my staff were getting three hours of sleep a day to try and get the game done.
“Near the end, the people from Sony came to our development studio and told us it was good enough and that we could release it. At the time, I probably wasn’t thinking very clearly, being as exhausted as I was, and I talked myself into thinking this was good enough and it went to release.”
“But all the things I thought were not enough yet, the users said the exact same thing when the game came out. That was something I regretted very much when that happened because I knew it was coming. And that happened at the beginning of my career, and it was something I vowed would never happen again.”
 
That was something I regretted very much when that happened because I knew it was coming. And that happened at the beginning of my career, and it was something I vowed would never happen again.

That one never gets old.

And I'm not sure why Kaz seems to imply that they didn't have time to model more standards: they were quite clearly never going to have time. They probably still won't have 800 premium cars modelled by 2015, let alone 2010.
 
Lol @ another_jackhole. That entire interview was laughable. If I had Yamauchi's money I'd be doing that type of 'F-off' interview as well.
 
another_jakhole
Kaz fully expected that he'd be given ALL the time he needed. I can only imagine what he must have felt when they told him it wasn't true any longer.
I can only imagine how long it would have taken if he did truly have ALL the time he wanted.
 
That was something I regretted very much when that happened because I knew it was coming. And that happened at the beginning of my career, and it was something I vowed would never happen again.”

Hey kaz, it's happened again.
 
I can only imagine how long it would have taken if he did truly have ALL the time he wanted.

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At least 500 premium with more variety and a higher detail level of standards for the rest so over 1300 total.
 
ucwepn
At least 500 premium with more variety and a higher detail level of standards for the rest so over 1300 total.

You want standards kept in then. Interesting.
 
Toronado
Time has nothing to do with it. There were cars that sounded better in GT2 than they do in GT5. GT2! And they didn't have half a decade and 80 million to make GT2. It has nothing to do with time, or hardware restrictions, or financial investment. It has to do with effort expended and level of competence.

Ist has to do with Time if the make their Sound Not only in the Computer.
They Need alot of Cars delivered from Manufacture for Sound Tests and Samples.
And believe me the Manufacture want Money.
The Equipment costs Money.
The PD worked work for money.
The PD staff Needs to Travel and that costs Time and Money.
I think i Said Enough

Believe in or Not Development costs Money and Time. Including Sound, AI,...

Toronado
And how is a game every 3 years suddenly a crippling restriction?

Because PD obviosly are Good Developer but very Slow. It was the Same situation with GT4 to GT5. Yamauchi wanted 2 more years and Sony a exclusiv Game now.

For many Fans GT5 is a Great Game, but couldn't handle the expectation.

1000 Cars, unbelievable Damage Model,... Yes all unfinished.

Toronado
You are still ignoring what people have been saying.

And you are still Ignore that companies Give a .... - Most of the Time - about Customer opinion.
What company's want is Different.

Toronado
So? It will still sell millions and millions and millions of copies.

Yes. But ist will Not sell a ps3 and no ps4. But ist will help the competition with their New console and Racing Games.

Toronado
Rush? We don't even know when the PS4 or GT6 will come out! How can you even begin to justify that statement?

Yes. Lets think about this.
1 Game Studio want to announce a next Gen Game this Year.
Much Developer work on next gen titles
the Developer have DevKits since 2011
The UE3.9 runs on a Next Gen console
Sales of current console decrease
All announced Games will be released 2012-2013 on this Generation.
All New Project are for next Gen console

I will Not use the rumours which say 2013 here.

And you think what? PS4, New Xbox in 4-6 years?
Yes the Next Gen will be Out 2013-2014. Or early 2015 in some country's.

Toronado
Sony didn't give him the time because they had already given him basically unlimited everything up to that point and Kaz still didn't want to release the damn game.

Yes and you know that?

Toronado
Stop acting like GT5 was some indy game that big bad Sony simply refused to let be developed the way Kaz wanted.

I didnt say that. The truth is every Publisher influence the Development including Sony. Like it or Not.
Yamauchi wanted two years and didnt Get it. FACT


Toronado
Some fans don't seem to realize that a company can do both, apparently. Because we've again come back to the fact that GT7 is totally a thing that can and will exist regardless of what GT6 ends up being.

What GT7 will be develop in the Future. I can't believe that. Sry i had to say that. Was funny :D

Well yes. But again you dont understand that a Company Wants Sells. Yes PS4 Sells will have a huge Impact on the Third Party Support for PS4, the future of Sony and the Sells of the competition.

Fact is that Sony made huge losts and had Bad Sells until the Big Games gt5, Uncharted, Killzone made an Impact.
 
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ch3ng
Ist has to do with Time if the make their Sound Not only in the Computer.
They Need alot of Cars delivered from Manufacture for Sound Tests and Samples.
And believe me the Manufacture want Money.
The Equipment costs Money.
The PD worked work for money.
The PD staff Needs to Travel and that costs Time and Money.
I think i Said Enough

Believe in or Not Development costs Money and Time. Including Sound, AI,...

They wasn't given enough. I thought GT5 was the highest cost to produce title, behind grand theft auto.

Never get them Imprivements at this rate.
 
Spagetti69
They wasn't given enough. I thought GT5 was the highest cost to produce title, behind grand theft auto.

Never get them Imprivements at this rate.

Nope it wasn't.
A Game on dreamcast cost over 100.000.000. And other Games cost more than GT too.
GT5 costs about 60-75
 
ch3ng
Nope it wasn't.
A Game on dreamcast cost over 100.000.000. And other Games cost more than GT too.
GT5 costs about 60-75

Agh yes. GT is screwed then.
 
Ist has to do with Time if the make their Sound Not only in the Computer.
They Need alot of Cars delivered from Manufacture for Sound Tests and Samples.
And believe me the Manufacture want Money.
The Equipment costs Money.
The PD worked work for money.
The PD staff Needs to Travel and that costs Time and Money.
I think i Said Enough

Believe in or Not Development costs Money and Time. Including Sound, AI,...
Believe it or not PD had all of those things and still chose to ignore those two areas, so it clearly isn't an issue of "just throw more time at it" as you are presenting it as.

Because PD obviosly are Good Developer but very Slow. It was the Same situation with GT4 to GT5. Yamauchi wanted 2 more years and Sony a exclusiv Game now.

For many Fans GT5 is a Great Game, but couldn't handle the expectation.

1000 Cars, unbelievable Damage Model,... Yes all unfinished.
And yet this wasn't a problem until the game when they were given complete creative control to make came into play.

And you are still Ignore that companies Give a .... - Most of the Time - about Customer opinion.
What company's want is Different.
I like how you keep saying this but haven't actually justified it yet.

Yes. But ist will Not sell a ps3 and no ps4. But ist will help the competition with their New console and Racing Games.
So? Not every game needs to sell consoles like launch titles do (GT4 certainly didn't compared to GT3), and if Sony made it a pack-in title it would sell systems all the same. A game can make heaploads of money for a first party publisher regardless of if it becomes a killer app and makes a huge impact on console sales.

1 Game Studio want to announce a next Gen Game this Year.
Good for them.

Much Developer work on next gen titles
the Developer have DevKits since 2011
Neither of these things are true. Developers don't get anything you could call a actual dev kit this far away from a console's launch; and if even something as absolutely massive in scope as Grand Theft Auto V is going to be a PS360 game, then there is little doubt that that the overwhelming majority of games going into development for the next year or so will be too.

The UE3.9 runs on a Next Gen console
So?

Sales of current console decrease
They haven't by a particularly notable amount yet.

All announced Games will be released 2012-2013 on this Generation.
All New Project are for next Gen console
Pick one. Preferably the former, because the latter isn't true.

I will Not use the rumours which say 2013 here.

And you think what? PS4, New Xbox in 4-6 years?
Yes the Next Gen will be Out 2013-2014. Or early 2015 in some country's.
No. I in fact think we know so little about anything in the next gen consoles that to throw around statements as absolutes, as you have been doing since the start, is ridiculous.


Yes and you know that?
Yeah. It's pretty damn obvious that he was given free reign to develop things the way he wanted until they put their foot down. That's why he was able to say things like "we could release the game tomorrow if we wanted" over a year before the game came out.


I didnt say that. The truth is every Publisher influence the Development including Sony. Like it or Not.
Yamauchi wanted two years and didnt Get it. FACT
He also said, over a year before the game was actually released, that it was done and ready to release and pretty much perfect. FACT.




The truth is that, while not "FACT," it isn't remotely a stretch to conclude that if Sony kept to themselves at the beginning of 2010 when they started leaning on him and given him his two more years, we'd be asking about it in the lead up to E3 this year and Kaz would still be complaining that he wanted more time.




What GT7 will be develop in the Future. I can't believe that. Sry i had to say that. Was funny :D

Well yes. But again you dont understand that a Company Wants Sells. Yes PS4 Sells will have a huge Impact on the Third Party Support for PS4, the future of Sony and the Sells of the competition.
You say the first paragraph, and then you completely ignore it and go right back to acting like GT7 would never exist if GT6 was a PS3 game.

Fact is that Sony made huge losts and had Bad Sells until the Big Games gt5, Uncharted, Killzone made an Impact.
So you think, somehow, that Sony not releasing their big name games and holding everything for some point several years from now is going to make them money?


Particularly when it has already been repeated over and over that it isn't a situation of one or the other?
 
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Kind of off topic, but what can the ps4 do to be revolutionary? Other than being a little faster and giving game developers more options for developing better games, what will make it justifiable for a high price tag? It already has blu ray, Bluetooth, wireless Internet access and so on.

Another side note I have a feeling that the ps4 will introduce a mandatory subscription ala Microsoft to play online.
 
Spagetti69
Agh yes. GT is screwed then.

XD. I ment 60.000.000 - 70.000.000.

Toronado
Believe it or not PD had all of those things and still chose to ignore those two areas, so it clearly isn't an issue of "just throw more time at it" as you are presenting it as.

Well. I know that PD Seems to ignore Sound,...
But if they Listen they Need Time to work on them.

Toronado
I like how you keep saying this but haven't actually justified it yet.

Well Publisher Wants Money and they made Onlinepass and so on . Non exactly bo Customer Wants a Onlinepass, but they didnt Listen.

You really think Publisher Listen to the Customer and think it has priority for them.
Thats wrong. Here are the priority for Publisher and Company's

1. Money
2. Low Costs
3. Customer behavior
4. Image
5. ....
6. ...
...
20. What Customer Wants. And they only do it, because it helps the Image and they earn more Money.


Toronado
So? Not every game needs to sell consoles like launch titles do (GT4 certainly didn't compared to GT3), and if Sony made it a pack-in title it would sell systems all the same. A game can make heaploads of money for a first party publisher regardless of if it becomes a killer app and makes a huge impact on console sales.

No. Every Game Needs to sell console and Needs to gain Money. And Games Need to gain autention.

Yes a GT6 on PS3 could male Sense if

- Sony wasn't in the Bad Financial Situation
- If the next Forza isn't on the New Xbox
- if the competition wouldn't be that strong
- if the console Cycle isn't @ its end/edge
- if Yamauchi didnt complained about the PS3 Hardware
- if we didnt have the opportunity to Update GT5
- if the Media didnt Focus on next Gen now
- if the next Gen console would be 3-6 years away.

I can go on if you wish.

Toronado
Good for them.

Well Not Good for your "the ps4 will be Out in 5-55 years . Thinking :P

Toronado
Neither of these things are true. Developers don't get anything you could call a actual dev kit this far away from a console's launch

Well Epic Said they can official Run UE4.0 on a mext Gen console. Already...

They have DevKits.
Games like GTA V are 3-5 years in Development now. You can't say "Wait there will be a Game 2013 on current console" and think that this is a Argument to argue that the devs dont work on nect Gen Games.

They official search for Developer for next Gen projects. I know some devs so .....

Toronado
So you think, somehow, that Sony not releasing their big name games and holding everything for some point several years from now is going to make them money?

No. I Said they Need a Great start Lineup to gain more Sells and Money. And they will Get more third Party Sells.

If they Release GT6 and other franchise in the beginning of the Cycle thea can make gt7 and maybe gt8 on ps4.
 
Thats wrong. Here are the priority for Publisher and Company's

1. Money
2. Low Costs
3. Customer behavior
4. Image
5. ....
6. ...
...
20. What Customer Wants. And they only do it, because it helps the Image and they earn more Money.

Says who? I think you'll find certain developers are very different when it comes to their priorities, some value customer feedback a lot more than others, *cough Turn 10* *cough PD*.



No. Every Game Needs to sell console and Needs to gain Money. And Games Need to gain autention.

What? Every game released has to sell consoles? How can that be true? Games have to sell themselves and if Sony were concerned about GT games selling their consoles they'd have forced a PS3 game out of PD long before 2010.

Yes a GT6 on PS3 could male Sense if

- Sony wasn't in the Bad Financial Situation

GT6 isn't going to fix anything for them no matter what console it's on.

- If the next Forza isn't on the New Xbox
- if the competition wouldn't be that strong

Forza is not direct competition and likely never will be.

- if the console Cycle isn't @ its end/edge

It's not at it's end, as you yourself have said there are plenty of AAA games coming out this year and through to 2013.

- if Yamauchi didnt complained about the PS3 Hardware

So just because he complained about it that's reason enough for it to be on PS4? What if he complains about PS4, does that mean GT7 should wait for PS5?


- if we didnt have the opportunity to Update GT5

So again going by that theory there should only be one GT game on PS4 no matter how good it is because it can be updated?

- if the Media didnt Focus on next Gen now

The media are not focused on next gen, only the forums and rumor mills are.

- if the next Gen console would be 3-6 years away.

You do not know how far away the next console is. You can guess, but you don't know so quit pretending you do.
I can go on if you wish.


Games like GTA V are 3-5 years in Development now. You can't say "Wait there will be a Game 2013 on current console" and think that this is a Argument to argue that the devs dont work on nect Gen Games.

They very well might be working on next gen games but they're also still working on current gen games, big ones. Releases like GTA V will ensure that the PS3/360 won't be dead any time soon. Do you think they're just going to release that and then a month later announce GTA VI on a PS4? No they're going to support it heavily as they did with GTA IV, again keeping focus on the current gen systems.

If they Release GT6 and other franchise in the beginning of the Cycle thea can make gt7 and maybe gt8 on ps4.

So wait, you do want more GT games on the PS4. Why not just update GT6 on the PS4 as you allude to earlier?
 
You want standards kept in then. Interesting.

Yes clean them up and allow us to do more with them such as, more wheels, wings, extensions, and lip kits. I love the fact I can drive so many cars dude. 👍 This is why GT is so different and special to me.
 
Yes clean them up and allow us to do more with them such as, more wheels, wings, extensions, and lip kits. I love the fact I can drive so many cars dude. 👍 This is why GT is so different and special to me.
So you'd want PS2-era cars from GT4 in GT6? :odd: I certainly won't want that.
 
JDMKING13
Yes clean them up and allow us to do more with them such as, more wheels, wings, extensions, and lip kits. I love the fact I can drive so many cars dude. 👍 This is why GT is so different and special to me.

Maybe drop the quality of premiums to keep consistency.
 
So you'd want PS2-era cars from GT4 in GT6? :odd: I certainly won't want that.

I don't give a damn what you want penguin, and if you want to call them PS2 era cars call them what you want they still drive like they are new era cars. Whats the difference with GT6 with 500 premiums, or 500 premiums and 500 standards? You want to drive the premiums only be my guest I want to drive everything. You need to take a look at the photo thread. Even though they are PS2 models they look good enough to me. If PD can get the standards to look like these photos and give us the ability to customize them more I am all in.



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I don't give a damn what you want penguin, and if you want to call them PS2 era cars call them what you want they still drive like they are new era cars. Whats the difference with GT6 with 500 premiums, or 500 premiums and 500 standards? You want to drive the premiums only be my guest I want to drive everything. You need to take a look at the photo thread. Even though they are PS2 models they look good enough to me. If PD can get the standards to look like these photos and give us the ability to customize them more I am all in.

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This has nothing to do with what they look like. If you look back to Gran Turismo 3, you'd find that it had only 180 cars, as opposed to Gran Turismo 2's 650 cars. Much of this has to do with the fact that more work was needed in the graphics department. With GT5, you'd expect it to have fewer new cars than GT4, and it does; 200+ vs GT4's 700+. So with the 800 Standards, you get the impression that they are trying to rack up the car count just for the sake of the market, no matter what the flaws they have, graphically, and, from some sources, the way the drive (physics).

PS1:
Gran Turismo 1: 180 cars
Gran Turismo 2: 650 cars

PS2:
Gran Turismo 3: 180 cars
Gran Turismo 4: 700+ cars

PS3:
Gran Turismo 5: 200 cars
Gran Turismo 6: ?

I think it's safe to assume that PD will be able to model much more than just 200 cars. So, no need for "Standards".
 
SimonK
Says who? I think you'll find certain developers are very different when it comes to their priorities, some value customer feedback a lot more than others, *cough Turn 10* *cough PD*.

Developer are NOT Publisher.
Yes the Customer wanted Onlinepass, Day1 DLC, only 6hour Gameplay, ...

You dont need to be a expert to know that Publisher and companies want money and their top priority is Money, Customer behavior,...


SimonK
What? Every game released has to sell consoles? How can that be true? Games have to sell themselves and if Sony were concerned about GT games selling their consoles they'd have forced a PS3 game out of PD long before 2010.

1. What?
2. Yes they have to. But it's only a Part.
3. It is true.
4. Well Thats True, but the made mistakes or planed wrong.
They Said something like "The next Generation Starts when we say"

For example:
- They Never dreamed about MS and Nintendo that strong
- the never though they could lose 1/2 of the PS2 Fanbase. About
PS2= 150.000.000 PS3 60.000.000
Yes Not 2/3 of the Fanbase But something like that. More than 1/2 of the Fanbase

- they Never thought Forza is that good
- They Never thought about the competition gets so damn strong
- they never thought about the losing so much money

I can go on if you wish...

And GT5 could be released earlier, because they made GT4 in the end of Last Gen Cycle. This is what i'm Talking about. They can't Afford to do the Same mistake(s) again.

And MS competes with Sony and so does Forza with GT.
You will find a lot Racing Fans Out there which are buying GT or Forza or both. But they will buy the best Game first. Or the Game which will be Out first.

That means if you want to Play exklusiv next Gen Games you have to buy a PS4, Xbox.
And that will obviosly sell console

Is ist really that difficult? Why do you think MS and Sony Sold the console with Lost and earned Money with Software?

The GTA V example is the Most stupid example if ever heard. Sry for that :)

Yes some Games are in Development for current console ... So what?

1. GTA and all the other Games are in development for 2-5 years now.
2. That doesnt mean that no next Gen Games is in Development. And they are official in Development.
3. Why should a companies anounce a Next Gen Engine and a Game this Year if the next Gen console dont come Out in 1-2 years?
4. The PS2 got years of Support After the 360 Release. See the that doesnt mean other console can be released.


@ gt5 can be Updates Statement.

Yes i dont See a reason for GT6 on PS3. Because it is the end of the Cycle ,...

But i See a reason for GT6 and GT7 on PS4, because GT6 will Never use 100% of the PS4.
And if they make improvments in every Part they can Release a gt7. Development costs and i am willing to pay for Content or Games which made Good improvment.
 
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