how to achieve understeer when i get on the gas?

[DSUjoeDirte9]

The tune im doing i need more understeer when i get on the gas so that the back end stops slipping.

I feel like this could be achieved by making the dampers or spring rate more towards understeer so that when i get on the gas the car's weight shifts so that it creates understeer allowing me to exit the turn without the back end slipping.

If im doing it wrong or anything plz tell me, i just want this car to stop oversteering when i get on the gas.

**don't tell me that full throttle makes the car oversteer because thats total BS. All my cars except this 1 i can nail on the gas and they wont spin out what so ever**

 

[robrabbitman]

Lower the front or raise the rear, turn initial torque and the acceleration sensitivity on the LSD down a bit, or add some positive rear toe.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Lower the front or raise the rear, turn initial torque and the acceleration sensitivity on the LSD down a bit, or add some positive rear toe.

LSD:

IT - 16
AS - 10
BS - 10

Rear Toe = .25

there already pretty low and toe is high

Acceleration sensitivity is just barely under the point to were he inside tire barely spins. Its a rare occation for it to spin.

Idk why it does this, it just spin outs when u get on the gas in like 3rd and 4th gearish speeds

 

[esoxhntr]

lower rear compression damper
lower front extension damper

go easier on the throttle

 

[robrabbitman]

Your gearing could be set to be longer, which could possibly help with your wheelspin. Check out Praiano's guide (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5964872#post5964872)

Otherwise, was suggested, lower rear compression and front extension.

 

[Adrenaline]

There's a trick when tuning that car... I can't tell you what it is though, because I have no idea what car we're talking about. Or the track. Or the tires. The types of turns it's happening on. Your current spring rates. If you're on a controller or wheel. If you have downforce, ballast. What your spring rates are. How heavy the car is, what drivetrain it uses... the list goes on.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

There's a trick when tuning that car... I can't tell you what it is though, because I have no idea what car we're talking about. Or the track. Or the tires. The types of turns it's happening on. Your current spring rates. If you're on a controller or wheel. If you have downforce, ballast. What your spring rates are. How heavy the car is, what drivetrain it uses... the list goes on.

well some of this isnt actually needed...
the track, um multiple tracks, its a problem not a turn specific
-this is a general problem that happens on cars so u really dont need to know what type of car it is.
-tires shouldnt matter because again its a general problem, hard or soft tires, if the cars back end is slipping its slipping
-spring rates are spring rates, if softer frost harder rear creates oversteer than it wont matter if its 5/10 or 10/15 oversteer is oversteer its the amount of it
-the list goes on XD roflmao XD
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To answer your question

IF YOU THINK THE CAMBER OR TOE IS INSANE THATS THE AMOUNT IT TAKES TO CONTROL THE CAR TO MY DRIVING STYLE, THE CAMBER IS SET SO THAT THE TIRES DON'T SQUEAL WHICH IS RIGHT AND THE TOE IS TO CONTROL THE CAR

Pescarolo Hybride 2005

Characteristics:
power: 950 hp
weight: 900 kg
perf. Points: 723 pp

Aero 60 / 85

Transmission:

2740 final gear
242 top speed

set every gear in this way:

1° 3970
2° 2.737
3° 2030
4° 1570
5° 1253
6° 1039

LSD 16/10/10

Ride height 5/-21
Spring 14.0/15.8
Extension 7/6
Compression 7/5
Anti-Roll 4/3

Camber 02.3/ 2.2
Toe -0.08/ 0.25

Brakes 4/5

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DONT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THESE LINES, THEY WONT CHANGE NORE WILL THEY EVER

NO TURBO
Racing Hard
No Spoiler
No chassis re-enforcement
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this happens on any track with a turn you take from about (medium 3rd gear - medium-high 4th). If you try the tune your know what speeds those are but i do not atm because i am currently not near my ps3.

 

[XDesperado67]

Throttle control, learn it, use it.
Not trying to be a jerk but your wrong if you think you can somehow magically adjust the suspension LSD and transmission so a car with that much power and that little weight will never break the rear end loose if you hammer the throttle to early and hard exiting corners.
If your only issue with the tune is that when you floor the gas while trying to exit the corner before getting the car mostly straight, it breaks the rear end free causing oversteer then that is more of a driver issue than a tuning issue.
Yes certain things will help minimize this but nothing will completely cure it considering the power and weight of the car.
Trying to induce understeer on throttle will most likely end up with a worse tune that instead of over rotating due to throttle oversteer, now ends up breaking all 4 wheels free pushing the car sideways in a manner more difficult to control than just learning throttle control.

 

[Adrenaline]

My Car has more HP than KG and I want to mash the gas pedal.

Cool story bro.

 

[MrGrado]

That car is pants. There is something wrong specifically with that one car. Everyone has problems with this car, nobody has a tune that works good with this car. The car is wrong.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Throttle control, learn it, use it.
Not trying to be a jerk but your wrong if you think you can somehow magically adjust the suspension LSD and transmission so a car with that much power and that little weight will never break the rear end loose if you hammer the throttle to early and hard exiting corners.
If your only issue with the tune is that when you floor the gas while trying to exit the corner before getting the car mostly straight, it breaks the rear end free causing oversteer then that is more of a driver issue than a tuning issue.
Yes certain things will help minimize this but nothing will completely cure it considering the power and weight of the car.
Trying to induce understeer on throttle will most likely end up with a worse tune that instead of over rotating due to throttle oversteer, now ends up breaking all 4 wheels free pushing the car sideways in a manner more difficult to control than just learning throttle control.

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

The only cars that dont are the formula gran turismo and the pescarolo hybride. - but the way i drive the formula 1 it doesn't spin anyway.

So again. Pescarolo Hybride is the only car in my garage that doesnt spin

That car is pants. There is something wrong specifically with that one car. Everyone has problems with this car, nobody has a tune that works good with this car. The car is wrong.

try my tune that i listed above. If your someone that races soft tires you should have no problem with it. While the camber and rear toe is very high to some, it the amount that ive used to get the car not to spin out.

The only problem i have with my tune honestly is that i want it to drive kinda like the 1 above but with less rear toe. because thats a bit too much. Also a little less back slipping out on me. It doesn't happen much anymore but it still does every now and then and its anoying

 

[DigitalBaka]

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

The only cars that dont are the formula gran turismo and the pescarolo hybride. - but the way i drive the formula 1 it doesn't spin anyway.

Uh oh...there is a god amongst us mere mortals! Oh Great Master, there is nothing more you can learn from us plebs.

 

[NinjaMike808]

I was gonna say ARB, but your ARB is set pretty low.

It could be more of a balance thing. I noticed that you have more negative camber on the front than the back, and sometimes that lets the back get more slippery than the front. Just increasing the back to like 2.5 or 3. You'll slow down a bit in the straights, but it'll be almost unnoticeable, like tenths of a second, but you're only doing it to see results. Your rear ride height and springs seem off. For one, there's not much room for your rear to move around, which kinda negates the Dampers and springs, I would raise the ride height to -10. I've heard a lot of tuners never go below that, and I think it's a good mark. As for your springs, that kinda depends on your ballast/ weight balance.

 

[CSLACR]

Setting the rear shock/damper extension higher than the front reduces rotation on exit, by keeping the weight on the front wheels.

 

[Adrenaline]

Unless he made a mistake... The blatant problem is that his ride heights need to be multiplied by -1.

 

[trackripper123]

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

The only cars that dont are the formula gran turismo and the pescarolo hybride. - but the way i drive the formula 1 it doesn't spin anyway.

Cool story bro.

You come here asking for constructive feedback, and you get it, then you proceed to blow that feedback off by claiming you're so much better than the rest of us. I was gonna help, until I saw that.

 

[krenkme]

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

Well if your car is perfect, as you seem to claim it is, then what is the need for feed back, help, or anything else?

I'm sure you have put alot if time into this tune, as most/all tuners do... but you must be a tuning GOD!!! How do you get your cars to not slide AT ALL? And what are you asking for us mere mortals? Please enlighten us on your awesome tuning ways, oh great one

Cool story bro.

You come here asking for constructive feedback, and you get it, then you proceed to blow that feedback off by claiming you're so much better than the rest of us. I was gonna help, until I saw that.

Yep 👍

Now I am not one to pile on like this, but if you're looking for help/feedback for a tune, please do not say how awesome you are... then why would you want our help?

 

[BJBEOSmitty]

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

If you are driving your car in your garage, #1, there is not much room to turn so you are not asking much of the car and #2 see #1 - not much room, how fast could you possibly be going?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Hey man, Grüssen. Anyways, lower the initial torque, to, maybe, 7. It's the trick I always use in my Tuning garage, instead of ten.


Also, if you want to "mash the throttle," the simplest thing, is to use traction control, until you learn how the car responds. Your lap times will be like 8 seconds per lap slower, though... Or, you could roll on the throttle, sooner, and smoother.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

If you people trying to critisize me about all my cars not slidding and why do i need your help. Then you obviously didnt read this correctly.

your wrong if u think you need throttle control. **EVERY SINGLE CAR IN MY GARAGE** i can nail the throttle at anypoint in a corner at any speed, and not have the car spin.

The only cars that dont are the formula gran turismo and the pescarolo hybride. - but the way i drive the formula 1 it doesn't spin anyway.

If you didn't notice. I said all cars dont spin. BUT MY PESCAROLO HYBRIDE AND FORMULA GRAN TURISMO.

As in my tune isnt perfect, and thats why i made this topic is for people to help me with the problem this car has.

-.- read sentences please. I write them for people to read, not so u can read half of it, and then blame me because you didn't read it all. -.-

Also how do u think all my cars don't spin, hope you don't think it was through my work alone, i have had gtplanet members help me so i cant take credit for everything. Ive had help

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

If you people trying to critisize me about all my cars not slidding and why do i need your help. Then you obviously didnt read this correctly.



If you didn't notice. I said all cars dont spin. BUT MY PESCAROLO HYBRIDE AND FORMULA GRAN TURISMO.

As in my tune isnt perfect, and thats why i made this topic is for people to help me with the problem this car has.

-.- read sentences please. I write them for people to read, not so u can read half of it, and then blame me because you didn't read it all. -.-

Those are notoriously two of the hardest cars to tune and drive. It requires extremely smooth driving, careful tuning, and a conservative racing line.

Please believe me, yelling and using bright red letters to make a point, will not work out well. This will continue to irritate the other people who are trying to help you.

With that said, ich weiss es nicht mehr, ob ich Dir helfen will. Therefore, calm down, and try out what these nice people (and not nice people) are suggesting, first. I have done all of these tricks to work with tuning setups. Every one of these tricks will help you get closer to your goal.


The main thing, is that you must calm down. Nicht mehr wütend, bitte, nicht mehr.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Those are notoriously two of the hardest cars to tune and drive. It requires extremely smooth driving, careful tuning, and a conservative racing line.

Please believe me, yelling and using bright red letters to make a point, will not work out well. This will continue to irritate the other people who are trying to help you.

With that said, ich weiss es nicht mehr, ob ich Dir helfen will. Therefore, calm down, and try out what these nice people (and not nice people) are suggesting, first. I have done all of these tricks to work with tuning setups. Every one of these tricks will help you get closer to your goal.


The main thing, is that you must calm down. Nicht mehr wütend, bitte, nicht mehr.

i didn't even start this yelling or anything. Someone else did by trying to tell me after i posted above that i need throttle control when i clearly stated in a calm manner that i need to car to beable to handle good at full throttle.

which in all the yelling i stated 2 more times that my cars don't spin out full throttle.

Im not trying to yell or be mean to anyone, its more of them not reading what i write and them taking it the wrong way. If they read what i wrote then this wouldn't be going on.

The highlights, those are just there so there read what they obviously missed. I said i have problems with those cars, i never mentioned driving god or anything. Someone else decided to be a jerk and make it worse by making that up.

I obviously am not a god as if i was i wouldnt have made this thread, and its not like i made all the tunes myself, ive had help from popular tuners like praino63 and other less popular tuners getting my cars right.

and actually if they guys would let me say something nice insted of slamming me for a few seconds i could take the time and tell them that the things there telling me to do are actually helping.

so those bashing me who read this, plz stop because i didn't even start this and its making me look like a ass for something someone else started. i do admit i helped it flare up very fast, but if i say that i don't need throttle control i would like you to expect i don't need it. I said i don't and that means i dont.Some of your ideas are actually helping me so thank you for your ideas.

 

[DigitalBaka]

but the way i drive the formula 1 it doesn't spin anyway.

Explain in detail please.

 

[Adrenaline]

i didn't even start this yelling or anything. Someone else did by trying to tell me after i posted above that i need throttle control when i clearly stated in a calm manner that i need to car to beable to handle good at full throttle.

which in all the yelling i stated 2 more times that my cars don't spin out full throttle.

Im not trying to yell or be mean to anyone, its more of them not reading what i write and them taking it the wrong way. If they read what i wrote then this wouldn't be going on.

The highlights, those are just there so there read what they obviously missed. I said i have problems with those cars, i never mentioned driving god or anything. Someone else decided to be a jerk and make it worse by making that up.

I obviously am not a god as if i was i wouldnt have made this thread, and its not like i made all the tunes myself, ive had help from popular tuners like praino63 and other less popular tuners getting my cars right.

and actually if they guys would let me say something nice insted of slamming me for a few seconds i could take the time and tell them that the things there telling me to do are actually helping.

so those bashing me who read this, plz stop because i didn't even start this and its making me look like a ass for something someone else started. i do admit i helped it flare up very fast, but if i say that i don't need throttle control i would like you to expect i don't need it. I said i don't and that means i dont.Some of your ideas are actually helping me so thank you for your ideas.

You're wrong. I don't even care to tell you why.

If you want to SMASH the gas like a mindless ape without spinning out, here's how:

Ballast: 200KG at -50

Aero: Minimum / 85

LSD 5/5/10

Ride height -15(or as low as it will go)/+30(or as high as it will go)
Spring Minimum/Maximum
Extension 1/1
Compression 1/10
Anti-Roll 1/7

Camber 0.00/ 4.0
Toe -0.25/ 0.40

Brakes 7/3

Enjoy.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

You're wrong. I don't even care to tell you why.

If you want to SMASH the gas like a mindless ape without spinning out, here's how:




Enjoy.

lol wow, i try being nice and yet you still act like an ass. your tune is pathetic and as im seeing this whole thread so are you. Learn a thing or two plz. because your pathetic, and to be honest im surprised you arnt banned.

And if your gonna make a fake tune and fake that i wrote it. At least make it realistic. If you knew a thing or two u would know that car doesnt get any higher than -20 ride height in the back. Also setting front springs at minimum and back at maximum creates oversteer not understeer. Which would not let me "SMASH the gass like a mindless ape" like u said. It would make me "SPINOUT like a mindless idiot".

lol nice try but fail

nuff said, don't try to make comeback or even to comment. You have already lost.

 

[krenkme]

your wrong if u think you need throttle control......ect.

This is what everyone saw in your post. It came across as you are... well God like. If you would have said "I don't think..." or "that's not really my problem, and here is why...", we would be willing to help, but you presented yourself better then all the rest. I believe you have tried your best, and you have put the time into tuning, but that one statement came across wrong.

If I had time I'd try your tune (vacation ), and see if I could help, but choose you words better if you need help. We're not that hard to get along with. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

This is what everyone saw in your post. It came across as you are... well God like. If you would have said "I don't think..." or "that's not really my problem, and here is why...", we would be willing to help, but you presented yourself better then all the rest. I believe you have tried your best, and you have put the time into tuning, but that one statement came across wrong.

If I had time I'd try your tune (vacation ), and see if I could help, but choose you words better if you need help. We're not that hard to get along with. I wish you the best of luck.

not trying to present myself better than everyone else im just stating that this is like one of the only cars i cant drive full throttle and that i would like to put it on my list of cars that i can.

I mean having all my cars so that they don't spin and then having the car i drive the most spin gets anoying.

not trying to be cocky or anything i just say it as it is. I have a garage full of cars and have like 2 cars that spin with the rest that don't. It is what it is and im not trying to brag about as i don't really care if GTPlanet knows. Some people drive lose cars so if u give a lose car to a tight car driver its obviously going to spin and i like my cars more tight.

Ive had people help me so i can't take credit for 100% of the work. I made the thread so people could help me like the rest of my tunes and i stated up top that i dont want anyone telling me i need throttle control because ive been told in the past that i need to use it and i didn't want to make people waste there time typing "Use throttle control" trying to be nice.

Some people just took it wrong.

 

[DigitalBaka]

And if your gonna make a fake tune and fake that i wrote it. At least make it realistic. If you knew a thing or two u would know that car doesnt get any higher than -20 ride height in the back.

He edited your tune to turn it into an understeering pig. Sort of the same thing he did before.

nuff said, don't try to make comeback or even to comment. You have already lost.

He won't and doesn't need to. Most folks reading this probably still don't think much of you if they think anything of you at all. Adrenaline will move on and still be a respected community contributor. What has he lost exactly?

Back to my previous question, I can fairly confidently say that the "way you drive the formula 1" is to either avoid acceleration while the wheels are turned, use a higher gear to minimize wheelspin or not mash the gas but get on it gently...all of which are forms of.....uh, hmmm....what's it again?

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

He edited your tune to turn it into an understeering pig. Sort of the same thing he did before.



He won't and doesn't need to. Most folks reading this probably still don't think much of you if they think anything of you at all. Adrenaline will move on and still be a respected community contributor. What has he lost exactly?

Back to my previous question, I can fairly confidently say that the "way you drive the formula 1" is to either avoid acceleration while the wheels are turned, use a higher gear to minimize wheelspin or not mash the gas but get on it gently...all of which are forms of.....uh, hmmm....what's it again?

yeah i noticed he did that. kinda low.

I may look like an ass on GTPlanet because some of the people you see on here are ass's themself and can't let **** go. If that one guy that was being an ass earlier didn't say that. You would see compliments all over this thread and feedback about how all these suggestions of people were helping me. but because he started this fight i guess you would call it your not. And now that he hopefully left so he can stop wasting my time. Ill start giving feedback to peoples suggestions. Im a nice guy until you take a ass and make me look like an ass myself.

But to your question. I actually still mash the gas i just don't do it as early as i would in say a SuperGT or a Le Mans car. Closest thing to what i do is your comment about "avoid acceleration while the wheels are turned".

I don't entirely avoid acceleration while turning itself. I think its just more of when i choose to accelerate. I still accelerate while my wheels are turned but to me when i drive a f1 i get to a speed were i can almost let my car idle through a turn till i can see the exit.

You could call this throttle control if you want but personally me.
-When i consider throttle control i think of feathering the gas, or getting on it slowly. Im sure theres other ways of throttle control.

The way i drive mostly is that i just break hard and actually brake/steer at the same time into a corner. (sometimes not always, depends on car/track) Do driving line bla bla bla. and asap get full throttle on the gas. I don't feather at all... its either full break or full throttle.
-This may seem odd but it works for me. Ive driven using feather before but i drive with a controler and personally i find the idea of feathering the gas with a little R2 button quite anoying.

Sry if i seemed like a douche, Im actually nice. That one guy just took one little sentence wrong and made it worse than it appeared. You calling me a driving God didn't rly help either. it just made others hate me even more -.-

 

[Adrenaline]

Also setting front springs at minimum and back at maximum creates oversteer not understeer.

Game over ladies and gentlemen...

lol wow, i try being nice and yet you still act like an ass.

Just because I think you are in the wrong, does not mean I'm being rude. Simply means we disagree.

And if your gonna make a fake tune and fake that i wrote it. At least make it realistic. If you knew a thing or two u would know that car doesnt get any higher than -20 ride height in the back.

A: It's not a fake tune, I'm not pretending you wrote it. I just quoted your tune, and made the changes that will give you the result you're asking for.
B: I don't know the min/max values of that car... luckily for me, I specifically added (parenthesis) next to those values covering that, but you skipped over them, like you complained other people were doing to you previously... that's hypocrisy. It appears as if you don't understand the basic tuning principles of GT5 Tuning, and that's fine, you don't need to, but when you ask other people for help, you don't CONTINUE to tell them they're wrong when you don't know what you're talking about. Every time someone offered you help, you tell them they're wrong, blow them off, and ignore them. This is why you're being so negatively viewed.

In closing, the tune I provided you, should allow you to do, what you ASKED us to give you. So you can cry all that you wish, but you're still mistaken.