Huge Forza Horizon 4 Leak: 120 More New Cars Might Be On Their Way
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If it means making you play the game to earn those cars, than I see nothing wrong with that as it makes you feel rewarded for earning them. If PG were to just hand out any brand new car to everyone, you will have those complain that the game is too forgiving, and thus deeming it as "too boring to play now" after driving the new cars for what, five minutes? IMO, I prefer the other method and actually play the game to earn new cars. Besides, PG always will bring back these cars every once and awhile.
That's easier said than done. You see, if it wasn't for the fact that you literally have to grind to earn most of the new cars in GTS, than what you said could've been true. I'm talking about redoing the same events over and over again until you have more than enough credits to buy those cars PD adds into the game via updates, which are well over 1 million credits. You have no other choice but to buy them with real money if you don't want to grind for them, and we all know how bad GTS's economy is that regard. PD should do what Turn 10 does with its DLC cars (and cars in the vanilla game), and that's having them be all available in Arcade Mode. But atlas, PD won't ever that and fans won't demand it. Which in my book, is no better than how PG handles its new cars.
PG will always bring back these cars every once and awhile, whether in certain events on the playlist, the Forzathon shop, or other means to obtain them.
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A lot fo these date from the beginning of he year and will very likely never make it into the game, as well as some being just leftover data from the previous game. The files tat were added last are he most likely to appear, which i'm hyped for. New cars is always nice, even if my garage hit the limit months ago
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That's an awesome list, need to get back into FH4
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Upon analyzing the list a thought came upon me.
I think most if not all of these cars are correct, if anything because a few are already in the game (1968 Mustang GT390 for example).
However, I do believe most if not all of the race cars (emphasis on race cars, not drift monstrosities) are headed to FM8 and not FH4. Seriously, does anyone really think a Porsche 956 would be a great fit for Horizon when it would come straight to X class? The BTCC cars could maybe come to FH4 taking into account the game takes place in Britain, but somehow I don't see them making as much as an impact on the game as cars like the new Zenvo. The SCCA Mustangs feel redundant.
FH4 will become a last-gen game next year. You don't bring your A-game to last-gen titles. Cars I fully expect to see in FH4 are returning cars like the Rover SD1, blingmobiles like the Range Rover Velar, drift cars like the Ferrari 599 and previously leaked customs like the GuntherWerks 400R, but race cars and completely new models are a different thing unless there's a spotlight month (like there will most certainly be with the Huracán Performante).
So yes, we've seen FM7 being used as a mule for FH4 last year. It's possible we're seeing a similar situation here. There were cars from that old leak which made it to FM7 (the Senna), but most others debuted in FH4 instead. Thus, it's much more a "Forza" leak than a "Forza Horizon 4" leak, if anything.
Also worth mentioning I didn't see the Jesko and even the Huracán Evo anywhere on the list and those are cars we know Forza has had access to. It's possible the Jesko is still in early phase, though.
Dude, there's a difference between "playing the game" and "playing the game doing stuff I don't want to do in the game". FH4's approach is the latter.
Worse, they're timed. We're in what started as a Gran Turismo forum. I don't think anyone here has issues playing games to unlock content. It's the timed aspect, the "see, you must play the game THIS WEEK or you'll ONLY get the car when WE decide to add it back!" that's messed up IMO.
And FH4 is forgiving by design, it's always been an easy game (or made easy if you wanted to). Hardest thing I did in the game's campaign was the Air skills in an IH Scout in the Skill Streak story. Other than that it ranged from "dumbproof" to "fair". And that's alright.
Playing The Trial under difficult conditions exposes the game's faults rather than providing players with fair difficulty. It shows the high classes provide bad racing and the community is mostly uncooperative, although, now that most of the chaff has left the game, it's far easier to find good games in The Trial.
And don't get me started on Team Games! Takes longer to find matches in, and completely reliant on the way teams are assembled.
I think most if not all of these cars are correct, if anything because a few are already in the game (1968 Mustang GT390 for example).
However, I do believe most if not all of the race cars (emphasis on race cars, not drift monstrosities) are headed to FM8 and not FH4. Seriously, does anyone really think a Porsche 956 would be a great fit for Horizon when it would come straight to X class? The BTCC cars could maybe come to FH4 taking into account the game takes place in Britain, but somehow I don't see them making as much as an impact on the game as cars like the new Zenvo. The SCCA Mustangs feel redundant.
FH4 will become a last-gen game next year. You don't bring your A-game to last-gen titles. Cars I fully expect to see in FH4 are returning cars like the Rover SD1, blingmobiles like the Range Rover Velar, drift cars like the Ferrari 599 and previously leaked customs like the GuntherWerks 400R, but race cars and completely new models are a different thing unless there's a spotlight month (like there will most certainly be with the Huracán Performante).
So yes, we've seen FM7 being used as a mule for FH4 last year. It's possible we're seeing a similar situation here. There were cars from that old leak which made it to FM7 (the Senna), but most others debuted in FH4 instead. Thus, it's much more a "Forza" leak than a "Forza Horizon 4" leak, if anything.
Also worth mentioning I didn't see the Jesko and even the Huracán Evo anywhere on the list and those are cars we know Forza has had access to. It's possible the Jesko is still in early phase, though.
Dude, there's a difference between "playing the game" and "playing the game doing stuff I don't want to do in the game". FH4's approach is the latter.
Worse, they're timed. We're in what started as a Gran Turismo forum. I don't think anyone here has issues playing games to unlock content. It's the timed aspect, the "see, you must play the game THIS WEEK or you'll ONLY get the car when WE decide to add it back!" that's messed up IMO.
And FH4 is forgiving by design, it's always been an easy game (or made easy if you wanted to). Hardest thing I did in the game's campaign was the Air skills in an IH Scout in the Skill Streak story. Other than that it ranged from "dumbproof" to "fair". And that's alright.
Playing The Trial under difficult conditions exposes the game's faults rather than providing players with fair difficulty. It shows the high classes provide bad racing and the community is mostly uncooperative, although, now that most of the chaff has left the game, it's far easier to find good games in The Trial.
And don't get me started on Team Games! Takes longer to find matches in, and completely reliant on the way teams are assembled.
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I mean.. There are several cars added to FH4 that in my opinion belongs in a Forza Motorsport game, and not a Forza Horizon game, like the Porsche 917 LH that came not too long ago.
So it's not like they care much about that.
Well if we look back there was a leaked list of cars that popped up in FM7 last year and turns out that was for horizon 4. Going by that and seeing how robust this list is along with the many race cars that's in there, to me this screams a partial piece of FM8 car list. Who knows maybe some of those cars will make it to FH4 but I doubt all of them will.
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I certainly hope some of those are true.
Would love to see the return of the '96 850CSi, '84 M635CSi + the addition of the '87 AMG "Hammer", '06 E55 AMG, '90 Pulsar GTi-R and more..
But some of the cars on the list are rather "questionable". Like the '88 Lincoln MKVII and '98 Lincoln MKVIII..
EDIT: I have seen Instagram posts related to the Venturi Atlantique 1997 and Porsche Gunter Works 400R 2018, so I think those are definitely coming for a Forza game.
Would love to see the return of the '96 850CSi, '84 M635CSi + the addition of the '87 AMG "Hammer", '06 E55 AMG, '90 Pulsar GTi-R and more..
But some of the cars on the list are rather "questionable". Like the '88 Lincoln MKVII and '98 Lincoln MKVIII..
EDIT: I have seen Instagram posts related to the Venturi Atlantique 1997 and Porsche Gunter Works 400R 2018, so I think those are definitely coming for a Forza game.
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I don't remember if it was a Lincoln on this list, but there were a few posts on the official forum wishlist thread requesting American "non-sporty" saloons and coupes. Like Cadillac and Lincoln.
These are minorities, but as I remember this, there should have been a certain number of posts, so it is possible that they responded to that opinion.
Similarly, there were many American users seeking American classic SUV and pickup, so GMC Jimmy may be the answer from PG for these requests.
These are minorities, but as I remember this, there should have been a certain number of posts, so it is possible that they responded to that opinion.
Similarly, there were many American users seeking American classic SUV and pickup, so GMC Jimmy may be the answer from PG for these requests.
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Yeah but the 962 is high P class in FM7. The 956, which is the same car, but before the americanization, would need a severe nerf to make it fit in FH4. Enough to make it uninteresting...
On a side note I'm surprised Forza went for the Hammer instead of the E500... Both cars similar in principle. However, the E500 was a collab between Mercedes and Porsche (no AMG), while the Hammer is an AMG car from before Mercedes' takeover... Guess Mercedes would sooner approve an unofficial AMG car than a car of their own tuned by Porsche! The Hammer is also far more rare and valuable.
This, and Ruf's possible return, gives me hope Forza will eventually add some Alpinas, such as the B10 Biturbo. Maybe they'll even bring back some of the Japanese tuners they used to have when they were more serious about competing with Gran Turismo.
The Continental, the classic one that is, is a beast... I'd love to see it in Forza.
Personally, I wish they had brought in the new one as well. One of my favorite FM7 DLC cars.
Another classic Fomoco car from the list I'm looking forward to is the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler, which should compete with the Charger Daytona.
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The problem I have with how it's done in Horizon 4 is that you have to be playing in a certain window of time doing specific things to otain those cars. In GT Sport you have as long as you want/it takes to earn the Cr to purchase those cars. I have no interest in being forced to play a game today to do X or Y to have a certain car, if I have as long as it takes for me to get around to doing that then fine. But don't force me to play the game today or this week even otherwise I miss out.
That's a really crappy tactic and they do that because forcing players to play Horizon 4 because they fear missing out boosts thier stats and figures, 1000's of players are still playing this game each week. How many are actually having loads of fun as opposed to just doing it to get those cars I wonder. There are better ways to implement new content than either Horizon or GT Sport do, hybridizing both methods together as you suggested would be a good solution, i.e. make the new content purchasable but also have it available in arcade mode too.
Personally, I have no interest in being told when to play a game even if it means missing out on a new car. The time I spend gamining is at a premium and I am far more interested in Red Dead 2 and The Outter Worlds right now than either Horizon 4 or GT Sport. At least I can pick up any new content in GT Sport whenever it is I happen to go back to it, whereas the new content in Horizon 4 is probably gone for me because the chances that I will happen to play it at the time all the new content I have missed comes back is very slim. Horizon 4's method of handing out the new cars is really poor IMO.
On the topic of this leaked car list, I wonder if this is connected to the next Forza Motorsport title rather than forshadowing what is still to come to Horizon 4.
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My job has me traveling for weeks at a time and I'm busy during most of that time, so some cars have actually been near as well impossible for me to have because I have to play games on my time, as opposed to playing on the game's time. The only other option is grinding Forzathon points in my free time and hoping I can at least log on for a few minutes to claim it in the Forzathon shop when it eventually shows up. So if I want a new car I have to grind *and* play the waiting game at the same time, which is just killing my enjoyment of the game.
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Cars I haven't seen talked about....
2018 Alfa Romeo Giulietta BTCC #11 HMS Racing (Rob Austin)
1977 Ford Escort Mk II #5 (Björn Waldegård / Hans Thorszelius) - RAC Lombard Rally
2018 Ford Mustang Trans-Am #98 Breathless Racing (Ernie Francis Jr.)
There are a couple that don't add up (the "#00" Subaru Levorg/Porsche Macan RR, "#22" VW Golf WTCR) and didn't race under their numbers - presumably the BMR Subaru, LPR Porsche (only racing Macan I can think of)? Maybe the finer driver/livery details are being ironed out.
But the potential influx of certain rally and touring cars is very good fun
2018 Alfa Romeo Giulietta BTCC #11 HMS Racing (Rob Austin)
1977 Ford Escort Mk II #5 (Björn Waldegård / Hans Thorszelius) - RAC Lombard Rally
2018 Ford Mustang Trans-Am #98 Breathless Racing (Ernie Francis Jr.)
There are a couple that don't add up (the "#00" Subaru Levorg/Porsche Macan RR, "#22" VW Golf WTCR) and didn't race under their numbers - presumably the BMR Subaru, LPR Porsche (only racing Macan I can think of)? Maybe the finer driver/livery details are being ironed out.
But the potential influx of certain rally and touring cars is very good fun
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In other words, you prefer PG to hand you the cars? As in, release them as free DLC each month? For example, release them in the Autoshow to be bought with in-game money each season, while having them be up for grabs via the festival playlist for players to earn for free?
How's that for an idea?
Also, don't call me dude, DUDE. 
No need to tell me twice. I too hate it when PG does that as well. I think they just do that out of spite. It also shows the nature of some players too, which I despise the most. Any trial that's a higher class is what I mostly hate. If the later trials were like this seasons' trials, I'd be good with that.
And good lord don't bring up playground games. Worst addition to ever come to the playlist imo.
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Imagine having to work to earn something you want instead of having it spoonfed to you... 
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I want that car list to become confirmed so damn bad. If those cars get completed and licensed, the next Forza (as long as most of the cars from FH4 or FM7 stay) could be the best car list so far in either series.
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Anyway, I'm going to do my own little analysis on this leak:
- The cars as a whole aren't all going to be in FH4. I'm not even sure how long PG is going to add content to this game considering we're already pass the typical time content gets released on a Horizon game. Well, unless they're pulling what Turn 10 did with FM7 and continuing to add cars regardless. Even then, I think only a small portion of what's listed will make it.
- Adding onto that point, it's as HyperSpeeder said; Turn 10 typically will use their current game as a test bed for the next game. Plus most cars we've seen leaked this way before took at least months before we saw an in-game model of it.
- For race cars, I disagree with the idea that they're won't be any added to FH4. Considering that there's 2 Porsche 917s, a Ferrari 512S, and a Lola in the game (plus racing versions of the Ferrari P4 & Ford Mk.2 GT40, if those count); more race cars aren't out of the question. Heck, there's track specials in FH4 that weren't street legal like the Pagani Zonda R for instance. Not to mention that FH3 had a set of GTE race cars added as early DLC.
- There's quite a few cars that caught me off guard here and make me happy. The mention of more Renaults and Peugeots makes me smile a bit as I felt Turn 10 has neglected French cars quite a bit in the recent years. So far, the only French cars I've seen given attention are a few Bugattis and a Citroen 2CV. I'm also happy to see that there is a Ford Mustang SVO planned, I felt that the Foxbody Mustang hasn't been given enough love in this series and wanted to see at least one more. The other FM4 returns are what I expected, Turn 10 and PG have added so many cars back from that game already. I keep rereading the list and getting surprised by more cars. The TCR cars, the Lincolns (Mark 8? Really?), Nissan Pulsar GTI-R (oh please let this be added), and the return of the Ruf CTR2 would be amazing additions to future games if they are made real.
- The cars as a whole aren't all going to be in FH4. I'm not even sure how long PG is going to add content to this game considering we're already pass the typical time content gets released on a Horizon game. Well, unless they're pulling what Turn 10 did with FM7 and continuing to add cars regardless. Even then, I think only a small portion of what's listed will make it.
- Adding onto that point, it's as HyperSpeeder said; Turn 10 typically will use their current game as a test bed for the next game. Plus most cars we've seen leaked this way before took at least months before we saw an in-game model of it.
- For race cars, I disagree with the idea that they're won't be any added to FH4. Considering that there's 2 Porsche 917s, a Ferrari 512S, and a Lola in the game (plus racing versions of the Ferrari P4 & Ford Mk.2 GT40, if those count); more race cars aren't out of the question. Heck, there's track specials in FH4 that weren't street legal like the Pagani Zonda R for instance. Not to mention that FH3 had a set of GTE race cars added as early DLC.
- There's quite a few cars that caught me off guard here and make me happy. The mention of more Renaults and Peugeots makes me smile a bit as I felt Turn 10 has neglected French cars quite a bit in the recent years. So far, the only French cars I've seen given attention are a few Bugattis and a Citroen 2CV. I'm also happy to see that there is a Ford Mustang SVO planned, I felt that the Foxbody Mustang hasn't been given enough love in this series and wanted to see at least one more. The other FM4 returns are what I expected, Turn 10 and PG have added so many cars back from that game already. I keep rereading the list and getting surprised by more cars. The TCR cars, the Lincolns (Mark 8? Really?), Nissan Pulsar GTI-R (oh please let this be added), and the return of the Ruf CTR2 would be amazing additions to future games if they are made real.
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Wow one of these cars is the 2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X! Saab has been absent from the series since Forza Motorsport 4. I just hope that the first Gen Saab 9-3 comes as well. I liked the 2002 Saab 9-3 Aero in Forza Motorsport 4. I like how they're paying more attention to Swedish cars than just Koenigsegg and adding more Volvos to the mix too.
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That idea imho would be spot on for both games 👍. Limited TT's to win the cars as an added bonus in GTS's case, and exactly as you've described for Forza.For example, release them in the Autoshow to be bought with in-game money each season, while having them be up for grabs via the festival playlist for players to earn for free?
How's that for an idea?
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The devs have confirmed that there are going to be continued playlist updates at least well into 2020 (hinting towards some "more everyday cars in a month next year"), so it's most likely longer than before.
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The more the merrier to be honest. I can't get enough of this game. 👍
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Alright then, cool.
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Another way at looking at is, you're never short of cars to try out. And FM7 has none of that 15 versions of the same car like GT6, plus you don't have to grind, as you can try out any car in 'Free Play'. I own FH4, but can't pull myself away from FM7. I was tempted by PC2, but the demo on the Xbox S doesn't do the game any favors.
