Hyundai Genesis Coupe: New Photos Surface

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> Sorry to bump this thread, but I've found this scoop from World Car Fans:

^ So far, I'm disspapointed that it will be a coupe. So this car will certainly WILL NOT be called the Tiburon.

 

[JCE]

Why won't it be called the Tiburon? I think it will, and I also think it looks fantastic...even in heavy camo.

 

[CDailey]

So is this supposed to be a new trim level of the Tibby, or a whole new car? There's a Hyundai dealer just right down the road from me with a crap ton of new Tiburons and none of them have a V8.

 

[Dave A]

^ So far, I'm disspapointed that it will be a coupe. So this car will certainly WILL NOT be called the Tiburon.

The Tiburon was a coupe, in fact it was even called the Hyundai Coupe over here. Why would this being a coupe prevent it from being the next Tiburon/Coupe.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ What I mean a coupe body, not a fastback coupe.

-> I also know that the Tiburon here in the US is called the Tuscani in South Korea and Coupe (pronounced "Kou-pay") to the rest of the world.

 

[JCE]

Tuscani? I've never heard of that before.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ Heres your answer:

This is the KDM version of the Tiburon/Coupe

(:

 

[niky]

It's Tuscani/Tiburon/Coupe... absolutely no difference. The fastback is a Coupe.

 

[foamy_302]

so explain to me again???? How would it being a coupe, keep it from being a Tiburon???

 

[Dave A]

He's saying it's because it doesn't have a hatchback, the Tiburon has a hatchback. I still don't see that as a reason it can't be the next Tiburon.though. Plenty of cars have changed from 3 door to 2 door or vice versa and carried on the model line.

 

[foamy_302]

yea the mustang did it once i thing. and look at the Chevy Nova?? it's done it too

 

[YSSMAN]

Hatchback or not, its still a coupe, IMO. Aren't they referred to as "liftbacks" on occasion? The Ford Probe, as I recall, was set up that way... Referred to as a coupe, but had a hatchback. The Camaro and Firebird were both technically "hatchbacks" in the fourth generation models (1993-2002) but no one called them that. The early Fox-Body Mustangs (1979-1993) were often "hatchbacks" as well... I know the '89 GT my father had was...

What am I getting at?

I don't know. Figured I'd point out that there have been numerous "hatchbacks" that were known as coupes here in the US. IMO, the Tibby will always be a coupe in my book, but that may just be me. I occasionally refer to the VW GTI as a "coupe" every once in a while, but thats because I see two doors, and thats my first thought... Despite the fact that it is technically a three-door hatchback.

 

[niky]

The word "coupe" doesn't refer to the number of doors... merely to the shape of the roof... which is how Mercedes gets away with selling a four-door "coupe", and which is why the previous Tibby was called the "Coupe" in other markets despite the fact that it was a liftback.

 

[a6m5]

Reminds me of the 3-door vs. 2-door hatchback thing. Kind of confusing.

 

[Dave A]

There's no such thing as a 2 door hatchback unless theres the hatchback and one front door, the hatchback is a door so by definition a car with a hatcback and 2 side doors is always a 3 door. for example a TVR Sagaris is a 3 door hatchback, but it's classed as a Coupe and has 2 doors on the sides as well as the hatchback door at the back.

 

[foamy_302]

then whats the differance between a Coupe with a Fastback((240Z))
and a Coupe with a different back ((Ford Mustang)) or ((Dodge Aries))

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> Hmm:

Coupe with a fastback:

Coupe with a notchback:

Coupe with a hatchback:

 

[Dave A]

The Mini isn't a coupe, the Golf technically is but it isn't classed as one.

then whats the differance between a Coupe with a Fastback((240Z))
and a Coupe with a different back ((Ford Mustang)) or ((Dodge Aries))

There isn't any difference between a hatchback and a fastback, it's just two different names for the same thing. Some coupes have a hatchback/fastback where the back of the car is a door, the boot cover and rear window open together. And others have a boot lid where only the part covering the boot space opens and the rear window is fixed.

 

[YSSMAN]

To answer the Mustang question:

- 1966 Mustang Coupe:

- 1966 Mustang Fastback:

 

[JCE]

1966 Mustang Fastback > 1966 Mustang Coupe

That is all.

 

[a6m5]

There's no such thing as a 2 door hatchback unless theres the hatchback and one front door, the hatchback is a door so by definition a car with a hatcback and 2 side doors is always a 3 door. for example a TVR Sagaris is a 3 door hatchback, but it's classed as a Coupe and has 2 doors on the sides as well as the hatchback door at the back.

And I agree with you. But in the States, it is often referred to as 2-door hatch, 4-door hatch. It sounds wrong to me too.

 

[JCE]

Eh, nah I disagree. I hear 3dr and 5dr all the time--in Texas--which is backwoods hillbilliy territory. Well, most of it anyway.

 

[Jim Prower]

Meh, nevermind...offtopic...

of course, I can't find anything about the Tiburon in the last few posts

 

[Dave A]

To answer the Mustang question:

- 1966 Mustang Coupe:

- 1966 Mustang Fastback:

Which is odd, because by definition the fastback is a 3 door hatchback coupe, and the coupe is a 2 door saloon.

1966 Mustang Fastback > 1966 Mustang Coupe

That is all.

By a country mile.

 

[Jim Prower]

Which is odd, because by definition the fastback is a 3 door hatchback coupe, and the coupe is a 2 door saloon.

Hm, check behind that fastback. that's a trunklid, not a hatch. It'd be a hatch if it included the rear window.

Thus, it's 2-dr coupe, AND 2-dr Hardtop.

 

[YSSMAN]

Which is odd, because by definition the fastback is a 3 door hatchback coupe, and the coupe is a 2 door saloon.

In the US the "fastback" name during that time period usually referred to the sloped and more aerodynamic backsides. For example:

The Dodge Charger R/T was considered a "fastback" because of it's development in NASCAR:

The Ford Talladega and Mercury Cyclone II were both considered as "fastbacks" as well:

Chevrolet I believe was the only major competitor at the time that wasn't using a dedicated "fastback" design at the time.

 

[Dave A]

Hm, check behind that fastback. that's a trunklid, not a hatch. It'd be a hatch if it included the rear window.

Thus, it's 2-dr coupe, AND 2-dr Hardtop.

A coupe has to be a hardtop. Your right though, I didn't notice that it was just a boot lid. That's not a hatchback then, my mistake. Basically then, you just call some coupes fastbacks. Some fastbacks have hatchbachs, some hatchbacks have fastbacks, but not all.

From other peoples comments I've read I now conclude that you call saloon cars coupes, coupes fastbacks, 3 door hatchbacks 2 door fastbacks. Is it just me, or is this not more confusing than it should be . Please, correct me where I'm wrong.

In the US the "fastback" name during that time period usually referred to the sloped and more aerodynamic backsides. For example:

The Dodge Charger R/T was considered a "fastback" because of it's development in NASCAR:

The Ford Talladega and Mercury Cyclone II were both considered as "fastbacks" as well:

Chevrolet I believe was the only major competitor at the time that wasn't using a dedicated "fastback" design at the time.

EDIT:That explains the original meaning of fastback for me, thanks 👍.

 

[YSSMAN]

I've always found it quite interesting how so many advancements ended up coming out of NASCAR back then. Racing played such an important role in our cars and gave us everything from reasonable aerodynamics to better safety equipment. I miss the days when you could pretty much buy what they ran in NASCAR or Trans-Am from the dealer, and sadly I doubt it will ever return.

Although, I do wonder if Hyundai has plans to take this car racing...

 

[niky]

A coupe has to be a hardtop. Your right though, I didn't notice that it was just a boot lid. That's not a hatchback then, my mistake. Basically then, you just call some coupes fastbacks. Some fastbacks have hatchbachs, some hatchbacks have fastbacks, but not all.

From other peoples comments I've read I now conclude that you call saloon cars coupes, coupes fastbacks, 3 door hatchbacks 2 door fastbacks. Is it just me, or is this not more confusing than it should be . Please, correct me where I'm wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupé

Sorry, I couldn't find a more authoritative source... but that's basically why.

The word "coupe", most accurately, merely refers to the roofline of a closed sedan with two side doors... it can have three doors, or four, or five, as long as it is shaped like a coupe...

There are exceptions, though... some coupes are actually two door sedans... the distinction is actually up to the manufacturer to make.

It's just like the "sportscar" argument... lots of "sportscars" don't meet the rigid definition of "sportscar", and it's up to the manufacturer and/or consumer to make the distinction.

In the end... the word "coupe" is purely subjective. I regard this as a coupe:

...yay! At least the picture is on-topic!

while I regard this as a two-door sedan:

...because it's really not that much smaller than the four-door version... But opinions will differ.

 

[JCE]

Offtopic, I'd rather have that Sentra than that Tiburon.