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I am very proud in Hyundai lately. They went way up in my book, from one of the crappiest car companies still in business to one of the best. Theyve done a great job on the new Azera, Sonata, and Accent, and I wouldnt be embarrassed to be seen in one anymore, maybe even happy! Well at least one of the above newer models. What say you?
 
They really have done a great job in the past few years – a Hyundai today is unbelievably better than Hyundai made 5 years ago. From what I’ve read, Hyundai has ascended even faster than the Japanese, which says a lot for the possible future of the company.

Right now, all they really need to do is hone exterior and interior styling, which are still behind the Japanese (how many times have we heard the ’06 Sonata compared to the previous-gen Accord?). They could stand to improve the handling of their cars, but let’s face it, most people don’t give a damn, and Hyundai is trying to sell its cars to most people.

Shame Daewoo flunked – I liked saying the name.

[edit] BX: Yes, they have that legal yuck going on, but I doubt it’s going to make a serious difference. Ask any non-car-savvy person about that scandal, and they’ll just stare at you blankly and wonder what you’re talking about. I predict the impact will be so-so in Korea and practically negligible in other markets, including America.
 
Yay I made a thread in which people actually posted!!!:D
Yeah I agree with you Sage.
The new Sonata's kinda too slanty for my tastes, and the Azera has those horrible taillights connected by bar.... tho they dont look all that bad on it....
And yes they shot up like 4x as fast as the Japanese.
Blazin, I like your new avatar;) Thats not your Blazer is it? Cause the last I heard yours was black. ;)
 
Rogue Ssv
Yay I made a thread in which people actually posted!!!:D
Yeah I agree with you Sage.
The new Sonata's kinda too slanty for my tastes, and the Azera has those horrible taillights connected by bar.... tho they dont look all that bad on it....
And yes they shot up like 4x as fast as the Japanese.
Blazin, I like your new avatar;) Thats not your Blazer is it? Cause the last I heard yours was black. ;)

Nope BX's Blazer is black.

Anyways, for the scandal thing - it happens everywhere. Not just Hyundai. So Im not really surprised.

Hyundais are really good cars nowadays. I am really proud of them from being a second-rate manufacturer to a first-rate maker that actually makes decent cars. The Azera looks great with the LED lights, something 90% of road cars dont have yet; Sonata looks fantastic on road, better than the Accord it tried to copy. Accent is a good looking hatch that actually is pleasant to drive. Hyundai is growing, fast man!
 
I was never big on Hyundai. Only Hyundai I've ever liked was the Tiburon (especially its best model). It seems Hyundai is better off with quality and affordability than smoking Mustangs in the other lane on the 'strip. I think one of their recent models is called the Azera. That is a pretty nice machine. Don't remember if I seen it at this year's Houston Auto Show, but Hyundai is stepping up much like Saturn has recently.

I just only hope they can stay strong and still deliver in the American market and in every other market they are involved in. I wish for the best almost all the time. I don't want companies to fall apart and go away like MG/Rover, Plymouth, Sterling(?), or stuff like that. Especially those which aren't doing anything to make many consumers look elsewhere for better products. Just hope that Hyundai can last for quite some time. And I'm saying this out of prosperity and respect.
 
I'm gonna be honest with you here, I don't care for their cars. I do like the look of their new Sonata though. Much better than its' predecessors, even better looking the Accord it is accused of copying, as GT4 mentioned.

The thing is, I really respected Hyundai for it's rise from its' Asian Yugo reputation to cars that are actually up to very respectable level(I'd rate their passenger cars to Nissan level). Their corporate scandal is a serious offense. Authorities has been busting some nasty white collar criminals lately, but this is the first that caught my attention in the automotive industry. Guilty party should be cut loose and distanced from Hyundai immediately, but how do you do that, when the man is the Chairman of the company and his son is the President of Kia(which of course is owned by Hyundai)?. I hope someone new emerge from Hyundai, who is going to lead the company out of this mess. If the Chairman or someone close to him keeps control of the company, I wouldn't be a fan.
 
So seems like this thing is much bigger of a incident than I first thought....some big scandal? What exactly happened?
 
GT4_Rule
So seems like this thing is much bigger of a incident than I first thought....some big scandal? What exactly happened?
from the article
Chung, 68, was accused of embezzling about $106 million in company money to create the slush fund, and of breach of trust for allegedly incurring about $320 million in damages to the company, prosecutors said
They are no better than robbers. Suits and ties does not excuse them. All the major Korean corporations are family-ran, which makes scandals like these more serious than other corporate embezzelment you might hear about.
 
I don't like Korean companies any better than Indian and Chinese ones. Whether they're good or not, I would personally hate to be seen inside one. Given two choices, I would probably prefer a 1889 Mercedez Benz Horseless Carriage than a new Hyundai Sonata.

"For me, owning a Hyundai would be very embarrassing and I would never haul one outside. I'd be scared of it breaking down in the middle of a freeway and crashing into the water for me to drown a slow, painful death. Either that, or I might be instantly burnt by the poor-quality engine casing catching fire and exploding. Prior to my death, I would begin to have a series of violent nightmares about how I would die in it.

Meanwhile, acceleration from 0KM/PH to 100KM/PH would take 15 minutes and it's horrible handling would be more dangerous than a mentally-disturbed 4-year-old kid with a glorified lawnmower.

Styling would look like something designed from the guys at Fisher and Price and the entire car would be made of black plastic.

My friends and family will laugh at me and I will lose my automotive dignity, developing an uncurable fear of driving for the rest of my life."

Hyundai and Daewoo have been having some trouble recently. The Hyundai boss did something illegal and left the country, only to be found out and returned back to Korea. The owner of Daewoo also fled the country and is now a criminal fugitive. Daewoo also got swallowed up by General Motors. To me, their cars are affordable but definitely not desirable.

Also, remember the Honda spokesman? When he was asked about whether the Kia Carnival would be a competitor of the new Honda Oddysey, all he said was "No. It is such a poor representation of a motor vehicle."

And finally, the Mercedez Mayback has been criticized for looking like a giant Hyundai. Definitely not desirable, as one must agree.
 
Im surprised hyundai are rated so highly. I suppose its just the difference between the atlantic, like how the camry is top seller in the US but bombed in Europe.
 
@condraz: HEAVY BIAS! STRONG BIAS! PREJUDICE! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! JUST WAIT TIL HYUNDAI BECOMES THE BEST CHEAP ASIAN IMPORT EVER! Id like a horseless carriage too
 
Poverty
Im surprised hyundai are rated so highly. I suppose its just the difference between the atlantic, like how the camry is top seller in the US but bombed in Europe.

Hyundai is rated near or at the top in most of their respective classes, particular with their next-generation models like the Sonata, Azera, and upcomming Accent and Elantra. Their new mini-van called the Entourage is quite impressive, and actually had a similar level of luxury to the Toyota Sienna, widely recognised as the "Lexus of mini-vans." We are due to have updates of their truck lineups, including the Sante Fe and Tuscon, both of which are great values in their segments allready.

I love the Azera and the Sonata, and it is too bad that my alligences lie with the Germans and the Americans, as these are great cars.
 
Condraz23
I don't like Korean companies any better than Indian and Chinese ones. Whether they're good or not, I would personally hate to be seen inside one. Given two choices, I would probably prefer a 1889 Mercedez Benz Horseless Carriage than a new Hyundai Sonata.

"For me, owning a Hyundai would be very embarrassing and I would never haul one outside. I'd be scared of it breaking down in the middle of a freeway and crashing into the water for me to drown a slow, painful death. Either that, or I might be instantly burnt by the poor-quality engine casing catching fire and exploding. Prior to my death, I would begin to have a series of violent nightmares about how I would die in it.

Meanwhile, acceleration from 0KM/PH to 100KM/PH would take 15 minutes and it's horrible handling would be more dangerous than a mentally-disturbed 4-year-old kid with a glorified lawnmower.

Styling would look like something designed from the guys at Fisher and Price and the entire car would be made of black plastic.

My friends and family will laugh at me and I will lose my automotive dignity, developing an uncurable fear of driving for the rest of my life."

Hyundai and Daewoo have been having some trouble recently. The Hyundai boss did something illegal and left the country, only to be found out and returned back to Korea. The owner of Daewoo also fled the country and is now a criminal fugitive. Daewoo also got swallowed up by General Motors. To me, their cars are affordable but definitely not desirable.

Also, remember the Honda spokesman? When he was asked about whether the Kia Carnival would be a competitor of the new Honda Oddysey, all he said was "No. It is such a poor representation of a motor vehicle."

And finally, the Mercedez Mayback has been criticized for looking like a giant Hyundai. Definitely not desirable, as one must agree.

Again, you are misinformed. You continue to use quotes from your old post and bash Hyundai and not recognize them for what they have done. Where are you from, may I ask? Did you have some bad dealing with Hyundai before? Because, again, what you said is utterly false except for the scandals.

Meanwhile, acceleration from 0KM/PH to 100KM/PH would take 15 minutes and it's horrible handling would be more dangerous than a mentally-disturbed 4-year-old kid with a glorified lawnmower.

Maybe you and your little glorified lawnmower will take 15 minutes, but no Hyundai will ever.

Also, remember the Honda spokesman? When he was asked about whether the Kia Carnival would be a competitor of the new Honda Oddysey, all he said was "No. It is such a poor representation of a motor vehicle."

Of course a Honda spokesman will not endorse a rival vehicle in any way. Im sure you knew this. If not then you need some studies to as how the world works.

My friends and family will laugh at me and I will lose my automotive dignity, developing an uncurable fear of driving for the rest of my life

No offense, but I will laugh at you if you continue to post up such ill-informed posts and spreading false information.
 
Am I the only one who would like to see Hyundai try to get a sports car out on the market? Or would it be a bad move?
 
Elegy
Am I the only one who would like to see Hyundai try to get a sports car out on the market? Or would it be a bad move?

They already have one, its Tiburon, or in Europe its called the Coupe. Its been well received, and I dont think it will hurt if they add another sports car, prefereably RWD.
 
GT4_Rule
They already have one, its Tiburon, or in Europe its called the Coupe. Its been well received, and I dont think it will hurt if they add another sports car, prefereably RWD.

I thought the Tiburon was also a passenger model. :confused:
 
The Tiburon is built to appeal to the "soft" sports market that the Celica and Integra have been hogging all these years. It's a bit soft, a bit slow, but it looks the part and it's comfy for a coupe, so it competes with the Celica on the important points and sells well. But unless it gets the newer Hyundai engines, it can't really hold a candle to other sports coupes out there.

I like it, personally. I think it would make a swell commuter on days when I don't feel like taking my Mazda out. :lol:

You've been dissected once, Condraz, but this bears repeating:

Condraz23
"For me, owning a Hyundai would be very embarrassing and I would never haul one outside. I'd be scared of it breaking down in the middle of a freeway and crashing into the water for me to drown a slow, painful death. Either that, or I might be instantly burnt by the poor-quality engine casing catching fire and exploding. Prior to my death, I would begin to have a series of violent nightmares about how I would die in it.

While my opinion of 80's Hyundais is very low, recent Hyundais meet crash regulations and requirements for their market segments wherever they're sold. Apart from end-of-the-line Hyundai Grace vans, which are a cheap copy of Mitsubishi... or was that Mazda?... utility vans from the 80's, I haven't heard of a sudden catastrophic engine failure in a Hyundai built past the 90's. And I've never heard of a fire... though I know a Toyota or two that's caught fire... and Mitsubishi vans are notorious for it.

Condraz23
Meanwhile, acceleration from 0KM/PH to 100KM/PH would take 15 minutes and it's horrible handling would be more dangerous than a mentally-disturbed 4-year-old kid with a glorified lawnmower.

I just drove a Hyundai subcompact that does 0-100 km/h in under nine seconds. And it's a diesel. Hyundai's Sonata is as quick as a V6 Accord. Yup. They're terribly slow. Handling, though not class-leading, isn't bad, and I have yet to see a new Hyundai in an accident... oops... there goes another Toyota. :lol:

Condraz23
Styling would look like something designed from the guys at Fisher and Price and the entire car would be made of black plastic.

My friends and family will laugh at me and I will lose my automotive dignity, developing an uncurable fear of driving for the rest of my life."

Fisher Price actually makes the strongest plastics known to man. :dopey: That said, while Hyundai styling and materials may still be behind others, I give you Toyota wood.
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Oh, okay... Hyundai plastic is still horrid in some models, but the Tiburon and Sonata have really swell interiors and good plastics.

Condraz23
Hyundai and Daewoo have been having some trouble recently. The Hyundai boss did something illegal and left the country, only to be found out and returned back to Korea. The owner of Daewoo also fled the country and is now a criminal fugitive. Daewoo also got swallowed up by General Motors. To me, their cars are affordable but definitely not desirable.

Recent? Daewoo folded under GM years ago. What businessmen do doesn't detract from the quality of the product, and I do hope the matter is resolved without dragging Hyundai's stock down. As it is, though, they're still selling like hotcakes here.

Condraz23
Also, remember the Honda spokesman? When he was asked about whether the Kia Carnival would be a competitor of the new Honda Oddysey, all he said was "No. It is such a poor representation of a motor vehicle."

I could say the same thing about an Oddysey or Previa, but that wouldn't make it true, would it?

Condraz23
And finally, the Mercedez Mayback has been criticized for looking like a giant Hyundai. Definitely not desirable, as one must agree.

Actually, most Hyundais don't even look like that anymore...

When did you first write this stuff, the 80's? the 90's? Get with the program, go out and drive a new Hyundai... compare it with other cars in its class. It may not wow you, but you'd be surprised by how close they're getting.
 
the point is made here and earlier that Hyundai shot up the quality scale 4 times faster than the bulk of Japan did. thank God there's something other than Accord or Camry in the US markets. the american passenger car market is dead. Japan took it, and now Korea is giving them a run for their money. if their concepts from GTw are THAT good in a game...
 
...So when did it become offical that the American car market is dead? Is this some crazy idea that you came up with, or is this something those mis-informed nutjobs at CNN and ABC keep telling you?

American cars are far from dead, and as a matter of fact, they are on a fast track to recapturing the market from the hands of not only the Japanese, but also the Koreans, Germans, etc. Quality is up, prices are down, efficency with fuel and driveability is on par with the competition? WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? A Toyota or Honda badge on the hood?

If people would get it through their thick, single-minded, "I'll belive anything the TV and newspaper tell me" mentality out of their heads, American car companies might not be having the problems they have had as of late. Take a look at most American cars and they will offer you a lower sticker price, greater ammounts of standard equipment, cheaper insurance rates, and nearly similar gas-mileage that you would find in any Japanese car.

If you want an example of cars that can compete vanilla versus vanilla, just look at the Chevrolet Impala and Buick LaCrosse, as well as the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan. The new Saturn Aura will be turning heads and changing minds once that hits the streets later this summer, and cars like the 300 and Charger have been selling extremely well despite average reviews and poor quality ratings.

I don't understand why so many people seem to think that American car companies have given up, are going out of business, and cant compete with the rest of the world. Over at GM, things have turned on a dime, and the news out of the company has been nothing but positive. The same can be said at Ford and DCX, as they are looking at trimming the fat to become lean and mean...

It is often said that extinction spurs evolution, and that is exactly what is happening with the big three right now. Give it a year, and lets see how well Toyota and Honda are going to be doing against GM's Zeta cars, Ford's new Falcon-based models as well as the final variations of the Fusion chassis, and the introduction of the new DCX coupes and sedans... The Hybrid line will be emerging at GM, growing at Ford, and DCX should have a hybrid Durango and 300 ready soon as well.

If anything, Toyota and Honda are going to suffer from the same things that have plagued the American markets, something we are just begining to see. Large recalls, slumping quality in the interior and on the exterior, and the end to the top-spot in reliability claims. It will come crashing to a halt for the Japanese soon, and it will be the Koreans and Americans who cause it.
 
You've got a point. Saturn's flying, Cadillac's blingin', and Chrysler's rollin'. The quality isn't quite as good as its competitors yet, but we're getting there. Anyway, Im still proud of the Koreans because their reputation was even worse than GM's just a few years ago.
 
I completely agree, I want to see Hyundai and Kia do well with their new models, as they are great cars and trucks. Hopefully their success will spur the folks at Toyota and Honda who seem to be in a slump, and unquestionably the Koreans are putting a scare into GM and the rest of the American car kids.
 
*snicker* waitll those Japanese try to take a Korean ricer in a stoplight drag. Wont they be surprised to find out it actually runs!
The Japz arent in a slump though, theyre already at the top of their game.,
 
YSSMAN
I want to see Hyundai and Kia do well with their new models, as they are great cars and trucks

I like what Hyundai is doing but if they make any form of a truck I will seriously fall off my chair with laughter, much like I did when Honda introduced the Ridgeline.
 
I know, but just interpreting for you

And now I bet I can really piss you off: GO RIDGELINE!!! GO HONDA!!! HONDA MAKES THE BEST TRUCK EVER THE RIDGELINE!!!
 
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