I hope PD haven't gone bust

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Just a thought that came to mind, with the state of the world economy.
That wouldn't be a good thing.
I know...It's a stupid idea!
 
Plus sony wont let them go bust.

Sony knows Gran Turismo is a very popular game so if PD were having issues, Sony would help them out.

I know, it was just a bit of panic set in because of the Vettel challenge delay.
 
Plus sony wont let them go bust.

Sony knows Gran Turismo is a very popular game so if PD were having issues, Sony would help them out.

Well, if the development costs were significantly higher than the gross profit generated, then Sony would quite happily let them go, as illustrated by them closing down Psygnosis / Sony Studio Liverpool.
 
Well, if the development costs were significantly higher than the gross profit generated, then Sony would quite happily let them go, as illustrated by them closing down Psygnosis / Sony Studio Liverpool.

GT5p 5,350
GTPSP 4,22
GT5 10,660
GT6 time will tell

Last gen PD earned enough to cover them, easily for a decade or two.
 
GT5p 5,350
GTPSP 4,22
GT5 10,660
GT6 time will tell

Last gen PD earned enough to cover them, easily for a decade or two.

Not necessarily. Just because previous games have turned a profit, it doesn't protect the developer from being cut loose if the latest game doesn't make enough money. If GT6 failed to recoup dev costs, Sony would be mad to bankroll GT7. What they would most likely do is to turn the franchise over to another developer.
 
Not necessarily. Just because previous games have turned a profit, it doesn't protect the developer from being cut loose if the latest game doesn't make enough money. If GT6 failed to recoup dev costs, Sony would be mad to bankroll GT7. What they would most likely do is to turn the franchise over to another developer.
I think with all the time & money it took plus all the issues with GT5 and now GT6 having most of the same issues and even less of a game Sony will give them one more chance on PS4 with GT7.
Even the hardcore fans are getting fed up now.

If they don't deliver with GT7 then....

To be honest i don't think Kaz's heart is in it anymore, he would rather be racing in real life, that's where his passion is now - and it shows!
 
GT5p 5,350
GTPSP 4,22
GT5 10,660
GT6 time will tell

Last gen PD earned enough to cover them, easily for a decade or two.
Could you now provide the actual revenue generated for each of those titles, the development and distribution costs and the resulting profit made per title?

As without it your claim doesn't stack up.

I did it with rough estimates (that worked in PD's favour) last year and GT5 only broke even once its had achieved around 9 million units, so profit to cover them for a decades seems way too optimistic.
 
I think with all the time & money it took plus all the issues with GT5 and now GT6 having most of the same issues and even less of a game Sony will give them one more chance on PS4 with GT7.
Even the hardcore fans are getting fed up now.

If they don't deliver with GT7 then....

To be honest i don't think Kaz's heart is in it anymore, he would rather be racing in real life, that's where his passion is now - and it shows!

If PD don't deliver with GT7 I doubt Sony will pull the plug. If Gran Turismo was ever dropped there'd be too much outrage from fans I think.

Also what races does Kaz enter except the Nurburgring 24H? Never heard of him entering any others on a regular basis.
 
Well, Thuway a.k.a Rasheed, the insider with next gen stuff says GT7 will be with us 2015 and he's actually seen an internal tech video of it, OP. It apparently looks gorgeous running on PS4, so they arent going bust even if GT6 sold 1 or 2 copies lol. In any case, GT6 is selling well, so no worries OP :)
 
If PD don't deliver with GT7 I doubt Sony will pull the plug. If Gran Turismo was ever dropped there'd be too much outrage from fans I think.
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You've contradicted yourself a touch there. A failure to deliver would imply a failure to sell enough units in this context. Failure to sell units would imply a lack fans.

As far as Sony are concerned, they are wholly unconcerned about fan outrage if there is no profit to be had from them.
 
You've contradicted yourself a touch there. A failure to deliver would imply a failure to sell enough units in this context. Failure to sell units would imply a lack fans.

As far as Sony are concerned, they are wholly unconcerned about fan outrage if there is no profit to be had from them.

The failure to deliver part was in context of not producing a good enough game. Not failing to sell units.
 
I would imagine that dev costs on GT6 were much lower than they were on GT5, probably less than 1/3 possibly less than 1/4
 
GT5 sold more than 10 million copies (and GT5: P was more than 5 million copies) and those games give more than enough money for making 2,3 future games. even if GT6 sales 1 million copies (lol) it wont be a problem for PD.
I want that GT6 sales more, but I think if it sales less than previous GTs (for example 5 million copies), PD and Yamauchi will think about the reason and game flaws and it can help future GTs.
 
Just to re-iterate....
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Most of businesses in Japan are typically closed around the 29th or 30th of December to the 3rd or 4th of January, depending on the kind of business and day of week.

I doubt they've gone bust, just resting (that is if you're worrying about the lack of news / updates promised).

The 4th is a Saturday so we may not see any updates until Monday the 6th.
 
GT1 was the play stations number one game in the consoles entire history, it even out sold GT2.
 
Scaff, 9M to reach break-even? Care to share that estimate?

PD's operating expenses are around 10M$ annualy for last 7 years, including all possible costs of studio, development and expenses. How did you come to 9M copies to come to break-even?
 
Am I wrong or I've read somewhere that Kaz what a vice-something at the head of Sony?
How would a guy working for Sony would let go is own company because not enough profit?
 
The thing with GT is that it is/was a system seller, even if they broke even or even made a slight loss on the game alone, as long as it benefits Sony in the bigger picture that's all that matters.

With the direction its going and strong competition from rival MS and Turn10 things could go downhill pretty quickly for PD.

I think its telling that Sony didn't ask/tell PD to make a PS4 launch title.
Lack of confidence in PD ?
 
Realistically, the two go hand in hand with games. Poor reviews mean poor sales.

I have never bought a game based on reviews from the likes of IGN. I also don't know anyone who has done so either.
I'd rather listen to a review from someone who's gone out and bought the game rather than someone who is paid to give their opinion.

In the same way that I would never read a review of a restaurant from a food critic as it is their opinion and the food they've tried I probably wouldn't like/eat anyway.
 
Could you now provide the actual revenue generated for each of those titles, the development and distribution costs and the resulting profit made per title?

As without it your claim doesn't stack up.

I did it with rough estimates (that worked in PD's favour) last year and GT5 only broke even once its had achieved around 9 million units, so profit to cover them for a decades seems way too optimistic.

Agreed. GT5 had the second biggest budget of any game made up to that point in time. It needed to sell huge numbers just to break even. Don't know where people get this idea that every dollar of sales = 100% profit.
 
It is funny reading such thread titles, to think Sony's most likely profitable thing in the Playstation first party game division since franchise started will go bust, it has to do a lot lower sales to even be remotely possible so much that will be only if market becomes a niche for generations upon generations. PD costs are low I imagine too, if PDI are going to struggle, I worry about others more if that was the case as there are not many games that sell as well with size of development team PDI have. They can also react to such things too.

They also could most likely go generations without selling a copy of the game and still be OK if they had access to all the money the franchise has made. Considering team is getting bigger, foundations have been built, speed of new releases in franchise will become quicker so it is very likely they will sell enough to at least break even. All games so far looked to have made large profits, GT6 is looking like it will make a profit. It is in a way easy money GT6, now they will get costs covered for the years they worked on it and maybe a good few more. Then they will release game engine with all assets at high level, things like new AI and sound engine on PS4, maybe they take the graphics crown and with PS4 potentially releasing a cheaper Slim model in a year or two, I can see them profiting heavily and back to the top of their game.
 
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