I Quit GT4, PD made it way to hard for the Average Racer.

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To the person that started this thread, or anyone having trouble. There are ways to get better. I am not one of these people that golds everything or even tries. I don't think GT3 was harder. I think a wheel makes the game more challenging when you are used to a regular controller.

-I didn't read the motor trend portion of GT4, but for anyone who hasn't heard that stuff 1000 times, it can be immensley useful. The best way to go fast is to drive the right line by taking the corners the way they explain. Get your braking points right. Most of the tracks have braking markers(the signs alongside the track before corners that count down in hundreds), look at these signs and brake at 200, then when you get that corner perfect at 200, go to "150" to brake, then 100, until you can't slow enough to make the corner in the groove. Remember, your exit speed onto a straight will make or break you. If you mess up the entry, try to get the car pointed in the right direction and at least get as good a run as you can for that straight.

-don't mess with settings until you can run consistant laps(consistantly slow if need be) but learn to drive. THEN, start messing with suspension settings and the other 1000 things you can adjust. When you do start changing things, change 1 at a time so you can tell if it hurt or helped. If you change 7 things, which one was it that screwed the car up?

-use the option to turn on the racing line that will show where to brake, accelerate, and turn.

-practice on a track where you can see your ghost. Then try to beat your ghost. Even if you beat it the first 5 laps....you are gonna realize soon that he/you are/were going pretty darn quick.

-try arcade mode races....they are still fun and you can adjust the difficulty and your car.

I had alot to say, and forgot some, but this post is getting long and that is enough to get you started.

I drove race cars for 18 years, and there are still things i don't know. So don't get intimidated by somebody that thinks he knows everything and thinks you are horrible. Cause if he thinks he knows everything, he's lying.
 
This thread was a pretty good read....
I have played all of the GT games 1-4 and finaly bought myself the DFP to go with GT-4 I love it....But: it (the wheel) makes parts of the game way too hard for me. examples: rallying, *the Ring* of death..lmao (I try to go too fast) and i cannot drift with the wheel well either :(
I cannot beat mission 11..
But how can you not love this game?! A huge variety af cars/tracks/races and photomode is awesome...
I will be playing it for a very long time and I'm sure i will not be bored anytime soon...
 
Dont feel like reading this thread, so I'm just gonna tell eastley that he sucks if he cant do more than the 10 missions because my friend who had never played GT before got the next 5 by himself.
 
If you're quitting because it's too hard, then i wouldn't class you as an average racer, i would class you as a n00b. Stick to Pokemon or TopTrumps.
 
I don't have a problem with the races, I have only lost about 9 races and I have done about 28% of the game. Only thing I struggle with is the Missions and licences, Mission 11 i'm stuck at. I have 8 S Licence tests to do and can't get near Bronze times in any of them.

In the Trial Mountian S test I was 1 second outside Gold Medal Time with my first time at it, and I was only really cruising not pushing. I played this track so many times as we found it to be great in 2 players back in GT2.

The ring is impossible though, I cannot get use to that track. I got a 7:00 Minutes flat in a Opel Astra Touring Car.

I guess I have to keep plugging away at it.
 
My message is intended to the original writer of this post and to everyone experiencing problems...and being to a point where they don't like the game anymore.

First of all as everybody summarized, Practice makes perfect. If you don't believe me run the nurburgring over and over and over and do not make mistake. Try with a well balanced car to begin with. Do not try to get to those LM race car and try to lap incredible times around any track, you won't be able. And most of all, forget those torpedo that can't turn. For instance a 1000hp skyline that you didn't do any other suspension settings won't get you far. I know it's really frustrating at first to be stuck with a car that doesn't perform so great. But in this game I believe it's more enjoyable than in the previous for the sense of speed is greater.

Really I had a hard time with some of the missions. But I continued on trying and trying and finaly got 10-20!

Come on people! To your DFP ( or DS2) ! READY? HAVE FUN!
 
Just keep at it, I spent hours on the S-License Chamoinx rally test and couldn't pass it, I couldn't even finish. I hated that test so much while I was doing it, but when I finally passed it, the satisfaction gained is immense. You'll remember these tests the most later on, and you'll gain more from them than from a test that you passed the first try. You'd be surprised at how much better you're driving is after you've passed the license tests and how much better you feel about you're driving.
 
For all those people who critisized me for quitting, I meant just quit trying the Licences and Missions. And I have a life, I don't sit on GT4 all the time studying racing lines and braking points. Well I have sat on there alot lately trying to get 25% so I can unlock the Endurance Races.
 
you dont really have to sit and study it, you basicaly just get a hang of it, i mean i can sit there and look at a track map for a good 5 seconds, look at the turns, and then improve from there, so i mean once you get used to it.. it becomes easier and easier to figure out where the apex is and such.. then again, i've been playing racing games for my whole life, and my dad used to race.. and i can drive so..

its more of just a thing that you get used to over time..and start doing it too? lol i've caught myself several times during school taking best apex around a turn (lol im not kidding i just.. dont notice it until later haha)
 
Hmm tbh ive found this game to be the easiest of all them. I got at least bronze on every licence on my first try, about 95% of B/A i golded on my first try. And as for the game itself ive found the new physics actually make it a whole lot easier to drive than before cause you can actually 'feel' the limits of youre car in a way.
The missions werent all THAT hard either ive got all the 1 lap wonders except the last (which i tried about 5 times and am still 7 secs off the leader at the end).
 
@leppter
and what are you using; a wheel? or a dual shock?
and one other thing; how what percent are you completed with GT4?
 
Leppter
Hmm tbh ive found this game to be the easiest of all them. I got at least bronze on every licence on my first try, about 95% of B/A i golded on my first try. And as for the game itself ive found the new physics actually make it a whole lot easier to drive than before cause you can actually 'feel' the limits of youre car in a way.
The missions werent all THAT hard either ive got all the 1 lap wonders except the last (which i tried about 5 times and am still 7 secs off the leader at the end).
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You and alot of people must be gifted :) some of my lap times I thought were good but hey alot of people are like 10 seconds better so I Suck Major Arse :yuck: :crazy:
 
I had no trouble getting bronze in all the license tests and I got a few silver but most of the golds are just impossible.

Also I passed driving missions 1-10 with no problem but when I started mission 11 it was like running head first into a brick wall.

I am going to get the guide book and hopefully that will help.

But the rest of the game is great and fun.
 
donbenni
If you're quitting because it's too hard, then i wouldn't class you as an average racer, i would class you as a n00b. Stick to Pokemon or TopTrumps.
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Thats harsh... Perhaps a arcade racer will do...

But I agree that he is not a average racer... The game isn't that hard to be an average driver... I got bronze easy on the license tests and managed to nab a couple golds and silvers unintentionally... People who get the bronzes should be called average racers... And Aspec points around 30 or lower (or is that too low?)...
 
jdkay20
I had no trouble getting bronze in all the license tests and I got a few silver but most of the golds are just impossible.

Also I passed driving missions 1-10 with no problem but when I started mission 11 it was like running head first into a brick wall.

I am going to get the guide book and hopefully that will help.

But the rest of the game is great and fun.
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Guide book, yeah might be good to get. I'll still have a crack at them every now and again.
 
XCNuse
@leppter
and what are you using; a wheel? or a dual shock?
and one other thing; how what percent are you completed with GT4?
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I got it about 5 days ago (PAL version) just hit 50% last night
i use the jurassic d-pad on the dual shock :sly: the sticks are to wonky for me i prefer the precice-ness of the d-pad tapping

oh i should note that my flatmate has been playing aswell so its not just me sitting down 24/7 getting that 50% heh, and b-spec has saved my life on about 3 5-8 hours enduros atm
 
Leppter
I got it about 5 days ago (PAL version) just hit 50% last night
i use the jurassic d-pad on the dual shock :sly: the sticks are to wonky for me i prefer the precice-ness of the d-pad tapping

oh i should note that my flatmate has been playing aswell so its not just me sitting down 24/7 getting that 50% heh, and b-spec has saved my life on about 3 5-8 hours enduros atm
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I only use B-Spec when I have already done the race or series and won but need money.

Or in a 5-10 race series I have to many points and can't lose so I B-Spec the last race(s) to get it over with.

Other than that I don't use B-Spec.
 
As i said i used it on 3 enduro's while i slept, all the ones that were on tracks i dislike a bit therefore getting the car + % and not having to drive around a track i dont like much for 8 hours.
 
feldon23
I don't think PD expects every driver to complete every mission and every part of the game. I think they expect us to have fun. The percent(%) complete is probably a blessing and a curse. There are months of stuff to do in GT especially as new cars become available thru the used car shops!
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There is so much that you can do in GT4. Sure getting all the licenses is kind of a big pre-request to really unlock most of the game. To me the GT4 has endless possibilties. I am at maybe 27 percent and have only driven like maybe 70 of the 700 differnt car models. One of my goals are to collect certain car models that I like in as many colors as possible. Another one is to tune a few cars ever now and then and see if they will become good project cars for future testing etc. At some point I would like to purchase at least one of each of the muscle cars. Then keep one stock, and tune the other. That way I could pick maybe say 1/2 dozen tracks or less do my own personal muscle car shoot-out. It would be interesting to see which one is best in stock form and which is best fully tuned. At some point I will take lots and lots of photo and print the best ones off, maybe make posters etc. Anyway guess what I am getting at is if you are a car nut, then GT4 should be able to offer you lots. Your gaming experience with Gran Tourismo 4 will only be as fun or difficult as you allow it to be. HAVE FUN ! HAPPY GT'ING TO ALL
 
one mistake i find lots of "casual" racers do is press hard on throttle and brake whenever they use it.... i guess this pressure sensitive thing can be difficult to master for some ppl.... (just as i can never pressure sense R3 and L3... always on the full for me...)

all i can say is once u get the hang of control, you'll like the game alot more... i can never do gold and missions 11-34 neither.. but i still like the game alot.. :)
really hope you'll get to like the game soon...
 
It takes time and patience to become a good driver. I played GT1 years ago and never got all the golds in that. I wasn't that great but I got all the licenses. I thought getting golds were impossible - mind you I was 14 at the time.

About 6 months ago I got GT3. I decided I was going to get all the gold licenses, so that's what I did. I spend about 10 days just learning the game, driving only the licenses and getting them all gold. It was boring at times, interesting at others. It just takes determination and patience.

After 10 days of owning the game, I had got all the gold licenses. I had barely driven a race. I'm convinced that simply driving the license tests until you can get gold on all of them is the best way to make yourself a better driver. I will admit at times I didn't enjoy it, but really if you aren't prepared to sacrifice some enjoyment, it will take you a lot longer to learn to drive near the limit. It's like school - you can't have lots of fun and learn as fast as possible at the same time.

The reason license tests make you learn much faster than races, is because they expose where you are gaining or losing time. In a race, you might brake a bit later, or turn in a bit earlier, and really nail a corner as a result, but might not realise it. In a license test, the timing beam would tell you. Conversely, in a race you can make mistakes and not notice, whereas you would in the license tests. In a race, you could be cruising around, thrashing the AI, while not realising you are giving away half a second because you are braking far too early for a certain corner.

If you are driving races and struggling with a certain car, it can be tempting to come up with excuses like 'the settings aren't right' or 'there's no grip' or 'the brakes are terrible'. If you are driving licenses you know there are no excuses. If you can't pass the test/get gold it's not because of anything apart from you. You aren't using the equipment well enough. Besides, if you just dial all handling defecits out with setting changes, you will take ages to become sensitive enough to understeer/oversteer to drive fast. Again, license tests are the way to go.

The only GT3 tests I ever thought about giving up on were the S-3 and S-8 license tests. The S-3 I pretty much got gold out of the blue, didn't expect it. The S-8 I just plugged away at, until eventually I got under 1:27.800. I found the test difficult so that made me even more determined to really cane it. I worked at it and got down to a 1:25.010, 2.8 seconds inside gold. You probably think I'm some kind of maniac. Well, I'm not!

It can be really eye opening when you realise to get gold you don't have to drive anywhere near the limit. You hear people say 'you need a perfect lap to get gold'. You don't. You just need to be at about 90% of the car's capability in the corners.

I expect once I am used to GT4, I will get the gold licenses pretty easily. I don't have the game yet, though.
 
This game is all about concentration and practice by the sound of it, I don't own it...........yet :) May get a copy later today, but I still got GT3 to play alot more yet to.

My question is this, the game looks as if you got to be playing it for a good few hours, even days and months. How does the PS2 compare to all this gaming, like does it get to hot and burn out? How long do you all play GT4 each day?
 
3 words practice practice practice i also was upset when i frist bought the game not really jus the physics in drift but wtv man the game is mad realistc and i am so much better at it now and i kill manual transmission :P
 
RogsR34UK
I was useless at the missions but managed everything else. Chamonix was the worst license test. I found I needed to go a bit slower to pass the test. I was accellerating hard on the straights and braking early, not trying to push too much. I failed by a second or two and with the ghost (provided you finish the course) it makes it easier on subsequent attempts as you can see how comparitively well you are doing. Admittedly the final S license test on the Japanese version was a pain but the different car on the PAL/American version makes it a lot easier. The licenses will come with practice. Not so sure about the missions, but there is plenty of other things to do.
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I thought I was the only one with problems with that test, Chamonix is a *****!!!! I passed all of the courses with 1 or 2 trys but that one took like 10 times. That first night after getting all the licenses I got to Chamonix and gave up. But when I came back to it a few days later I passed it on the second try.

For the guy who posted this thread, I think the game over all is easire but there are some things that look extremely hard but all it takes is practice. Dont stop playing or its gonna get harder.
 
I don't know about that. I don't think stopping playing makes it any harder. Taking a break for a few days every so often does wonders for one's driving IMO.
 
Oh dear God I hate Chamonix. Hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it!

Anyways - Glad to hear you didn't give up on the whole game. Practice makes perfect, remember that. I was about to say remember that kiddo, but then I checked and you're 2 years older than I am .. so that wouldn't really work. Oh and just so you know .. I don't think I've played GT4 more than 5 hours straight since I bought it .. and now my brother has it 300 miles away so I'm not gonna be playing it for a couple weeks :(.
 

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