I thought GT5 was about being the BEST SIMULATOR, not the PRETTIEST!

[Dapper]

I don't know how to program a computer. If I had the money I'd have to outsource.

Yet, you know how to please a world audience?

 

[kingcars]

The problem is, they set their own trap be quoting such stupidly high numbers in the first place. Once they realised that doing the models how they wanted them would take far too long, they fell back onto old assets and here we are...

That's what it seems like to me too. However, considering I had no problem with the number of cars in GT1 and GT3, having "only" 200 cars would not have been an issue in any way. The standard cars could have just been in a bonus Classic mode.

 

[Devedander]

Here's a thought.. what if PD never went ahead with cockpit view (remember this means fm3 would never have,

It seems the world of GT fans includes a lot of shut ins... I really have to wonder how many are basically fans by default (ie they have never actually tried the competition, they just are sure what they have is the best)?

It's pretty bostful to say if PD didn't do cockpits no one else would have... honestly GT isn't responsible for nearly as many innovations outside size and graphics as you might think.

Test Drive Vrally is just one example... maybe a decade ago on the dreamcast, cockpit view with hands, wheel, shift animation and the drivers head even looks into the apex of turns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx_ZwZ931Q8#t=5m30s

Let's not get too wound up in kissing GTs butt. It's a great game but be realistic.

While GT5 is clearly the prettiest simulator, you guys forgot what this game is all about!

I keep saying it, GT fans claim to be hardcore racers but inside they are half ricer.

Pretty sells and GT has always been a large part about looks. Look at GT5... they worked so hard on graphics that the time to make the premium cars put us here...

Make a post about how GT looks compared to Forza and then make one about how accurate the physics are and you will see how much each matters to the the GTP membership...

 

[gtracedriver]

Do any of you guys actually play?
I dont see any of the top GTP'ers complaining.

All the critics who have such brilliant ideas should make their own game, and not complain about ones they are not forced to buy, play or discuss.

The funny thing is they are complaining after seeing the 30sec standard cars video and imagining things that it looks like GT4 HD

Although I really want cockpit view in all cars, even if there is not much detail as premium

 

[Lain]

Frankly, this cockpit business was to be expected.

GT3 increased the car detail and as a result, just had under 200 cars. GT5 is doing one better by instead giving us 200 Premium cars and a vast quantity of still very good normal ones.

And don't forget that these Premium cars are fairly future-proof, so these Premium cars won't have to be remodeled for the next GT iteration or two. I would not be surprised if through game updates, more of the cars became Premium over time. Either that or we'll get a much healthier amount of Premium cars in GT6 in addition to GT5's current ones.

 

[Spagetti69]

So let me get this straight. PS3 premium cars become standard on ps4.
PD model premium cars for PS4.

PS4 gets 800 standard and 200 premium.

Déjà vu.

 

[analog]

While GT5 is clearly the prettiest simulator, you guys forgot what this game is all about! This game is about giving a true-to-life experience in your living room! So what if all the cars don't have cockpit view? Was it ever about that? No, not really. The physics is what most people should be focusing on right now. Making the game prettier and having more cockpits really doesn't add to that. And I bet most of us will be using a DFP/G25 and will be using the bumper cam anyways..

Yes, it would've been cool to have 1000 interiors, but it's really not that important for GT, I think. We all played and LOVED the other four Gran Turismo games and none of them had cockpit views..

Speak for yourself frankly and don't tell others what should be more important to them simply because you have a different opinion or priority.
Those cockpits introduced in Prologue fundamentally changed the way I play the game ( or at least gives me a better and more natural feel when driving ) and provides enormous fun and enjoyment.
And yes it looks better ( not just talking about graphical quality here ) and since when is it wrong to like how a game looks especially since I'm a huge car fan who cares just as much for the styling of a car interior as a car exterior.

And why all these complaints about people 'whining' when something they truly cared and hoped for now seems to be mostly non-existent ( give us a break, if you don't use cockpit view you won't have a problem with how things are turning out right now, some are just expressing heartfelt frustration which only shows how much they care for this game ).

All you seem to care about is the physics ( which are hugely important ) but that aspect isn't questioned since it seems to have been greatly improved.
GT5 should encompass all these aspects ( and they have for the most part in the past ) as not one aspect is more important by consensus but purely a subjective personal preference.

I'll decide for myself which feature I think will add something fundamentally to experience GT in the way I see fit thank you very much.
And to me interior view ( or the limitation of it ) is one thing I truly care for and it takes some time for all of those who were expecting it to alter their anticipation for GT5.
So quit whining about the whiners if that's all you have to whine about, improved physics at least are a thing you can look out for.

 

[Lain]

So let me get this straight. PS3 premium cars become standard on ps4.
PD model premium cars for PS4.

PS4 gets 800 standard and 200 premium.

Déjà vu.

Or, you know, they could become standard on the next PS3 iteration of GT. Both Microsoft and Sony are obviously trying to extend their console's lifespan as much as possible with things like motion control, so I'm guessing it'll be a while until we see the PS4.

 

[gtracedriver]

So let me get this straight. PS3 premium cars become standard on ps4.
PD model premium cars for PS4.

PS4 gets 800 standard and 200 premium.

Déjà vu.

Kaz did say that premium cars are PS4 gfx

 

[paskowitz]

They hid standard cars from us for 5 years and just fed us eye candy.

Again I respect PD, but that was a very shady move and I would go even as far to say a bit disgraceful.

 

[Sidders]

I still havent seen a definitive answer from PD, have they catagorically stated that cockpit view is not on the standard cars? Or is it still assumption?

 

[CTznOfTime]

The new Physics will kick butt .... .... aids are for pansies .
the cars wont be harder to drive but more of a challenge to make players a better, more skillful driver. I'm not the best drifter around so I'm looking forward to learning a thing or two in that area. With bumper cam.

I couldn't agree more with you mate! 👍 I am so looking forward to that!
I feel it's much more realistic, and much more rewarding, as opposed to some simple arcade car games. 👎

Personally, GT has always been:
first and foremost: driving physics that is head and shoulder above every other CONSOLE games out there, even to say throughout the history of mankind!
And in very very close second: it is the graphics and the ridiculous amount of FREE cars (please dont talk to me about DLC).
and third, because it is Kaz!

I play GT because of the car selection; getting to see my favorite street cars in the best graphics available, then driving them in a semi-realistic physics engine has always been fun. For pure realism though, GT is not the game I play. Live For Speed, rFactor, GT Legends, netkar pro, etc all dwarf GT in actual realism.

Absolutely.
As for comparing to games you cite above, i have never played them, therefore cannot say much. But the BIG difference i see is: GT is the only console game, more easily available to the general public. So we can say that GT is the best simulator/realistic car game on ANY console.

I wish i could give it a go on the games you have, at least to be more objectives toward GT.

Lets hope that changes when we get GT5 'cuz from the looks of the TT demo it is getting harder to drive the cars with all aids turned off in pro physics. I can hear the whinners now saying the car feels like it's on ice but its not IMO it's how the car feels when you are at the limit of adhesion.

i agree with you as well, i actually LOVED the way the TT demo handled!
i thought GT5-P physics was awesome, but the GT5 - TT demo just spiced things up and made it more more exciting and challenging. I am SO SO Looking forward to it.
I would bet that most of you guys who are/were complaining about TT new physics, once GT5 is out and after you have learned to drive it properly, none of you would want go back again, or do otherwise. 👍
Please mark my words.

I find the cockpit view very important in simulating an experience. After all that is where you would exactly be when racing a real car. You wouldn't be on the bumper, or on the bonnet, you would be looking over a dashboard, dials and steering wheel.

I agree with you! Cockpit view is very important, especially if you have a cockpit to drive in.

Having said that and given the current circumstances, i have no choice but to accept AND i am perfectly fine that not all the cars in GT5 will have cockpit view.

The main reason is because i still race 70% of my time with my Pad and Direction button (à la Kaz).
Despite having a nice cockpit setup at home, i still use my Pad most of the time to play. Especially TT physics is now so much more playable with the pad, (thanks to KAZ for ensuring that all of us using the pad still get the best experience possible! 👍) i will not mind Not having cockpit view. I will enjoy playing with the helicopter exterior view even more now in GT5!!!

ONLY when i do hop into my cockpit (as seen below) that i would use the cockpit view, otherwise No!

Therefore i really dont mind the Cockpitless view of some cars. (Lets wait until GT6).


By the way, that's NOT me.
It was the son of a friend who was trying out GT5-P for the first time of his life, 5 min into the play... learning how to drive a Ferrari @ 13 years old
His cute mom wasn't so thrilled about it.

 

[kingcars]

With that cockpit setup you have, you're doing yourself a great injustice by not having a PC hooked up there!

 

[happycorey]

GT5 was above almost all else about the graphics.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

I still havent seen a definitive answer from PD, have they catagorically stated that cockpit view is not on the standard cars? Or is it still assumption?

👍

Exactly, until there is actual confirmation, this will be my last comment about cockpit view; still hoping the (sub) standard cars will have a 'generic' cockpit view 👍

 

[Nero9]

Wish i had a setup like that, but hey... i'll justt stick to my Driving Force steering wheel on a stool and my 20+ year old LDTV.

I think the Standard cars look great, but the Premium cars look better.
I don't really play graphicly intense games, so it does'nt bother me.
Btw, how many polys are the Standard cars?

 

[Radracing]

With that cockpit setup you have, you're doing yourself a great injustice by not having a PC hooked up there!

I have this and I'm totally happy it's not hooked up to a PC. I started out a a PC sim driver but got tired of upgrading graphic cards, drivers, memory, CPU's, sound cards, etc. Then when console games caught up with graphics like Project Gotham and GT series I started to doubt myself. Then GT4 and the 900 degree wheels came out I jumped ship and never looked back. No, I take that back went over a friends house and tried out iRacing with his 3 monitors and racing RIGG and was totally wowed! but I just don't see building a highend PC just to play iRacing and pay a fee on top of that.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Yeah I looked into a pc game but found my laptop needed upgrades; or I could spend $2000 on a gaming laptop; think I'll stick to my PS3

 

[kingcars]

Erm...you guys do know that games like Live For Speed and rFactor require very little in terms of PC specs? An off the shelf Dell would run them. People with 7-8+ year old computers are still racing.

 

[Radracing]

Erm...you guys do know that games like Live For Speed and rFactor require very little in terms of PC specs? An off the shelf Dell would run them. People with 7-8+ year old computers are still racing.

This was back in 1994 so yeah I do know since I've seen my friends just lately. But knowing you always want the best and the fastest dosen't help from spending thousands of dollars on a PC just for gaming. I'll keep them separated this way I'll get more done when I'm working and on my PC. The temptation is just too much if your just one click away from work and iRacing. hehe!

 

[BlacqueJacques]

I want to plug my G25 into the laptop and using HDMI cable to my HDTV but it did not work-guess I should 'google' and try and troubleshoot!

 

[Akira AC]

I have this and I'm totally happy it's not hooked up to a PC. I started out a a PC sim driver but got tired of upgrading graphic cards, drivers, memory, CPU's, sound cards, etc. Then when console games caught up with graphics like Project Gotham and GT series I started to doubt myself. Then GT4 and the 900 degree wheels came out I jumped ship and never looked back. No, I take that back went over a friends house and tried out iRacing with his 3 monitors and racing RIGG and was totally wowed! but I just don't see building a highend PC just to play iRacing and pay a fee on top of that.

i want a living room like that!!!!!!

 

[kingcars]

This was back in 1994 so yeah I do know since I've seen my friends just lately. But knowing you always want the best and the fastest dosen't help from spending thousands of dollars on a PC just for gaming. I'll keep them separated this way I'll get more done when I'm working and on my PC. The temptation is just too much if your just one click away from work and iRacing. hehe!

Now this is true haha. But for true sim racing, GT and Forza can't compare to games like LFS, iRacing, rFactor, GT Legends, and others.

 

[traind]

The physics in GT5 should be close to the pc sims but other elements of GT5P are not at all accurate to real life and I haven't heard they will change with GT5.

Things like the start of the race--will cars be on a grid for a standing start? If it is a rolling start, will cars be closer together or miles apart in a single file like they have been in prior GT games? This has always been odd to me, to have GT races start like none do in real life. Also, no qualifying option available.

Perhaps with the NASCAR rules in place, some of these things may change for GT5...

 

[JAGUAR1977]

IMHO GT has always been about the graphics. Always has and always will. PC simmers are not to bothered about the graphics asking as the game has excellent physics etc.

The average GT fan is more preocupied by the look.
Just see the amount of posts on here spouting off about how GT looks compared to Forza.

Me I'm happy to take average graphics with realistic handling and appropriate selectable veiws.

Edit. Tip for Heath. When learning to drift try chase cam, it's about the best cam for learning that art.

The GT5 TT demo proved the GT series can deliver realisitc physics and graphics.

IMO the physics are now as good as anything this side of iRacing.

 

[evilfoxhound]

Rollcage That's awesome.

 

[jjsahagun]

Question: does all cars in GT5P are premium in GT5?.

 

[Radracing]

Now this is true haha. But for true sim racing, GT and Forza can't compare to games like LFS, iRacing, rFactor, GT Legends, and others.

Thats true too, maybe? but I'm pretty content with GT for now unless they come out with the PS3 version. I remember buying GP2 and got it to run for a few minutes until I downloaded the update and the damn thing wouldn't run anymore so I went out and bought a new graphics card and found out it didn't support the drivers for the game. It really got me frustrated so I stoped buying PC games. At least with console games they can gaurantee you it's going to run unless I'm stupid enough to buy a Forza game and stick it into my PS3.

 

[stega]

The thing is GT5 was suppose to be super realistic.. No you tell me how it is realistic to drive any car with any view other than cockpit?

 

[Nero9]

The thing is GT5 was suppose to be super realistic.. No you tell me how it is realistic to drive any car with any view other than cockpit?

The previous 4 did'nt have cockpit views either, yet they were still called the best.