I thought GT5 was about being the BEST SIMULATOR, not the PRETTIEST!

[Akira AC]

The thing is GT5 was suppose to be super realistic.. No you tell me how it is realistic to drive any car with any view other than cockpit?

you have a car?no

oh well then you wont get it

if you do I cant believe what you feel at driving,you drive ,don't look at the dashboard

 

[Frozzy]

In Gran Turismo 4, I always loved to try new cars, I was hoping that Gran Turismo 5 to have
cockpit and full attention to detail on all cars. That would have been fun trying each car.


I would much rather have PD cut all 800 standard cars.

 

[kingcars]

Thats true too, maybe? but I'm pretty content with GT for now unless they come out with the PS3 version. I remember buying GP2 and got it to run for a few minutes until I downloaded the update and the damn thing wouldn't run anymore so I went out and bought a new graphics card and found out it didn't support the drivers for the game. It really got me frustrated so I stoped buying PC games. At least with console games they can gaurantee you it's going to run unless I'm stupid enough to buy a Forza game and stick it into my PS3.

Hmmm that's strange. Never really had such a severe problem with a game like that before on PC, unless it's an ancient game and you're trying to run it on Windows 7 64bit haha. (though I still run good ol' NFS4 on here )

 

[Devedander]

The previous 4 did'nt have cockpit views either, yet they were still called the best.

In their respective times and overall best, they were all lacking in some areas.

Remember just because we didn't have it before doesn't mean it's not legitimate to want it now.

 

[Tenacious D]

Now this is true haha. But for true sim racing, GT and Forza can't compare to games like LFS, iRacing, rFactor, GT Legends, and others.

The GT5 TT demo proved the GT series can deliver realisitc physics and graphics.

IMO the physics are now as good as anything this side of iRacing.

This is what I was going to say. The Time Trial demo, even with a wart here and there, was rubbing shoulders with GTR and LFS, the only sims I consider worthwhile. rFactor is badly designed. It feels like one of those "spindle" games in which the car pivots on the center of gravity. And I can't stand an interface so badly designed that it took me almost as half hour to find the option to switch from automatic to manual! AARGH! What the hell...

I'm sure iRacing is a fine racer and all, but I don't have hundreds to blow on a game I'll basically be renting, and paying exorbitant sums for the extra content on top.

The graphics and features on PC sims blow. The physics on Codemasters' games suck. Forza is close, but dang, the flaws and bugs they neglect to polish out just kill it.

Having Standard cars with GT4 HD graphics is going to be weird for a minute, but I'll get used to it. The physics will be outstanding, and the features will keep me racing till GT6 comes out.

 

[stega]

you have a car?no

oh well then you wont get it

if you do I cant believe what you feel at driving,you drive ,don't look at the dashboard

I wouldn't have a car why??? because you must talk down to anyone you disagree with??

You may not look at it, but the dashboard does exist, and yes I do look at my dash.. LOL

So your telling me when you are driving you never look down at the dash or wheel?? LIAR...
You may not be focused on it but you are constantly looking at it.

 

[kingcars]

This is what I was going to say. The Time Trial demo, even with a wart here and there, was rubbing shoulders with GTR and LFS, the only sims I consider worthwhile. rFactor is badly designed. It feels like one of those "spindle" games in which the car pivots on the center of gravity.

I surely hope you're not basing your opinion on rfactor on the included cars and tracks. It's the mods for it that really let it shine, and the best mods far surpass the physics in GT. I played the time trial demo...it was good, but not LFS good or as good as netkar pro (which even shows tire debris and flat spots).

I agree about iRacing though. The pricing system is ridiculous.

 

[Devedander]

you have a car?no

oh well then you wont get it

if you do I cant believe what you feel at driving,you drive ,don't look at the dashboard

I do have a car, I have been driving for a long time, I definitely look at the dash occasionally while driving, it's definitely always in my field of view and my eyeballs are not ever up where the windshield glass is like bonnet view...


soooo..


yeah....

 

[Tenacious D]

I surely hope you're not basing your opinion on rfactor on the included cars and tracks. It's the mods for it that really let it shine, and the best mods far surpass the physics in GT. I played the time trial demo...it was good, but not LFS good or as good as netkar pro (which even shows tire debris and flat spots).

We're just going to have to disagree, especially since there are plenty of dissenters on the LFS boards, of which I am a member. At some point, I might try out an rFactor mod, and rFactor 2, but I'm having too much fun with even GT4 right now to bother with it. The only other game I'm tempted to give a shot is FM3, and that's to paint up a car. Then I recall how boggy the file handling system is, and I drop the idea.

 

[Akira AC]

even so just look:


what would you rather 400 of this or 200 of these

 

[Radracing]

even so just look:


what would you rather 400 of this or 200 of these

Awhhh! do I have to answer that question? Mommy! he's bullying me. Wahhh!

 

[Devedander]

even so just look:


what would you rather 400 of this or 200 of these

After 6 years and nothing but cherry picked cream of the crop shots and dodgy evasive answers?

I would like 1000 of the second please.

Seriously why is GT always based on comparisons to Forza? Why can't we evaluate it on it's own merrits? It's the biggest and baddeset and best right? Well when you are the biggeset and baddest and best you don't have to rely on rationlizing yourself against the competition... you stand your own merits and deal with your own faults.

 

[SLAPHAPPYFRANKY]

even so just look:


what would you rather 400 of this or 200 of these

A better question would be.

what would you rather have, all the cars like this or %20 of the cars like these

 

[Akira AC]

A better question would be.

what would you rather have, all the cars like this or %20 of the cars like these

is like this,what will you like,400 cardboard box interiors or 200 real car interiors,i mean I just quality over quantity and even so we getting really cool stuff,and it you put it a that manner:

forza:50% of tracks because they cant be drive at night(even a single one because they could not be bother) a really 2d deformed pit crew with 400 cardboard box interiors and just 8 cars per race with a stupid race making system online.

or

GT5:100% modelled to be as a perfect as they can be,with 200 real(its real not half the interior)driver positions seats with plus 850 cars to come with rally,endurance racing a a race making loby to race whatever you want in the way that you want holding up to 16 cars per race with beautiful landscapes that change from the dawn to the dusk.

is just a minor fault so stop complaining if you don't like this well you are an idiot period.

 

[Spagetti69]

Who's got a 2d deformed pit crew?

 

[Spagetti69]

you have a car?no

oh well then you wont get it

if you do I cant believe what you feel at driving,you drive ,don't look at the dashboard

What you never check your speedo, oil temps, water temps and petrol!!!!!!





What......oh it's a peddeal car....... Sorry.

 

[samdu]

Why must there be a choice? Prettiest AND best is within reach.

 

[cobraagent90]

is like this,what will you like,400 cardboard box interiors or 200 real car interiors,i mean I just quality over quantity and even so we getting really cool stuff,and it you put it a that manner:

forza:50% of tracks because they cant be drive at night(even a single one because they could not be bother) a really 2d deformed pit crew with 400 cardboard box interiors and just 8 cars per race with a stupid race making system online.

or

GT5:100% modelled to be as a perfect as they can be,with 200 real(its real not half the interior)driver positions seats with plus 850 cars to come with rally,endurance racing a a race making loby to race whatever you want in the way that you want holding up to 16 cars per race with beautiful landscapes that change from the dawn to the dusk.

is just a minor fault so stop complaining if you don't like this well you are an idiot period.

I agree Quality over quantity any time. Anyway, i won't affect me since the premium cars are the cars i want (ferraris, lamborghinis etc)
👍

 

[Spagetti69]

I agree quantity over quality.

So why do we have a large quantity of low quality cars?

 

[Robin]

Being the best simulator also requires a game took look as realistic as possible. I wonder why every mainstream sim I have seen (Flight Simulator for example) makes so much effort to be visually accurate. Its not about prettiness, its about visual accuracy.

I don't think these 800 port cars are going to have good physics at all. I dont know for sure but if PD couldnt be bothered to remodel all of them Im sure they didnt bother redoing all the individual physics for them either.

Robin.

 

[Feschka]

The fact that it's the 5th of the series and there's no bonnet view yet, that's beyond me

 

[Spagetti69]

Robin I agree with you to an extent. But really..... do we really need to see the fabric weave in the seatbelts, I mean c,mon.

Edit. I'm worried of the sound of them sub standards too. Have they gone and recorded for all 800. Probably no, and they'l say it's a nostalgic trip down memory lane for GT fans. Which to an extent it is.

It's also a cheap ploy to Market 1000 cars because that sounds better.

 

[Robin]

Robin I agree with you to an extent. But really..... do we really need to see the fabric weave in the seatbelts, I mean c,mon.

No, I agree with you to . Theres respectable realism and then theres OCD which PD seem to have After all this is a game, not art!

Robin.

 

[samdu]

No, I agree with you to . Theres respectable realism and then theres OCD which PD seem to have After all this is a game, not art!

Robin.

Games can be art (despite the vocal protestations of Roger Ebert).

 

[Mark T]

you have a car?no

oh well then you wont get it

if you do I cant believe what you feel at driving,you drive ,don't look at the dashboard

I know that when I drive my car I don't have a completely unobstructed view. You have the front pillers which can obstruct your view, you have the dashboard which you see in your field of vision. Including that is improving the simulation. Having a rear view provides far too much field of vision. The bumper cam is far too low and the roof cam again provides too much field of view. People seem to be ruling out the cockpit view as a serious benefit to a simulation.

.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

After all this is a game, not art!

Robin.

To the contrary, it has obviously taken a decided slant toward the artsy side .

 

[Tenacious D]

Seriously why is GT always based on comparisons to Forza? Why can't we evaluate it on it's own merrits? It's the biggest and baddeset and best right? Well when you are the biggeset and baddest and best you don't have to rely on rationlizing yourself against the competition... you stand your own merits and deal with your own faults.

Well, this is why I'm playing GT4 and Prologue, and my 360 is still disassembled after Christmas.

I still like Forza, despite the fact that each game comes complete with a bug farm in it. I'm sort of a little looking forward to Forza 4, but sort of a little not, mostly because Microsoft just can't or won't take the time to squash the bugs in whatever they produce. I mean, look at the 360, deliberately released in faulty form for two years on an unsuspecting public - to the tune of an up to seventy percent failure rate! This isn't just shoddy company policy, this is criminal. But it seems to be MS's business model: "Let them eat bugs."

I'd like to paint up some more cars in FW3, but then I think of the horror movie ordeal to take images and go through the time consuming gauntlet to post mucked up versions to Photobucket. So I don't.

Look at the USB port in the front of the PS2 and 3, and how nicely a USB drive fits into it. At how easy it is to save images and videos to it. Walk over to the PC, insert, and load. A minute later, up on the net for all to see. And no loss of quality in the process.

Look at the Logitech wheel connected to my PS2. Then PS3. Then PC. And working flawlessly. And then at a flimsy Forcefeedback Wheel made for Fprza 3, which my first one broke within a few weeks. Which is useless for anything but the 360.

Microsoft just refuses to be consumer friendly. It means more money when you make a load of proprietary stuff people have to buy or do without. But it starts clouding your thinking. And it makes fans of their stuff put up with a lot of crap that no one else would tolerate.

I can't help that Kaz made this decision. It wasn't his idea to make GT PSP first, it was SONY's. It meant a huge delay in GT5 progress that in my view wasn't warranted, and undoubtedly in Kaz's view as well. He looked very upset holding that PSP at last year's E3. But I think the choice to port over the Standard cars was the right one. I didn't want GT5 to have 200 some odd cars. I was one of those who proposed way back in 2005 that they produce a GT4 HD. A few of us loved the idea, a few more didn't. I'm sure Kaz was keeping an eye on our conversation.

Okay, now we have both in one game. You have 200 some odd Premium cars that look astounding. You have 800 plus more cars that still look darn good. You have physics which attain the level of a PC sim. You have a scad load of tracks to race on. You have a crazy cool online system. You have daytime transition. You have things that haven't even been revealed yet.

The choice of whether or not this is awesome, if the game is worth it, is is up to you, but I've made my decision on that.

 

[JohnBM01]

Even for a person who appreciates art like I do, even I am not making a big deal about the graphics. I am not going to rail PD just because it has taken 5+ years to make. I'm not going to rail PD because not every car will have impressive interiors and crazy hi-res graphics. I've wanted to see great graphics in great images. That's why when I've seen these images of GT5 on GTPlanet, I don't care about these gigapixel images (though they are VERY impressive).

You can be a great simulation game without looking amazingly beautiful and lifelike. Those aspects help in making the most realistic and believeable material, but not really REQUIRED to look great. Or look at it like this- the very first Forza Motorsport had a lot of watered-down graphics, but people still thought it blew the doors off of Gran Turismo 4 in the physics department, right? GT5 will look impressive, but I just hate the mindset that next-gen consoles have to be 1080p and crazy hi-res all the way around. That's even being with Sony- a media giant. It still looks beautiful to me even if EVERYTHING came from Gran Turismo 4 or GT PSP.

 

[alfredchiwai]

At least give me a generic cockpit view-no stitching required!

Agreed. It is more realistic to drive in cockpit view. No stitching or screw is needed for standard cars. Also, I want to ask - How hard is it to make generic or less detailed cockpit view for standard cars?

 

[blackzc]

I find the cockpit view very important in simulating an experience. After all that is where you would exactly be when racing a real car. You wouldn't be on the bumper, or on the bonnet, you would be looking over a dashboard, dials and steering wheel.

This is true. But i feel bumper cam gives me the (feel of the road) more than cockpit view. I feel like im driving a car driving a car with cockpit cam. I did force myself to use it more in Forza 3 and started to get used to it. So maybe i just need to adjust.