The problem I have here is that you're pulling stats from video games and using magazine article "estimates" as real stats for the car, and the hearsay about Mika Hakkinens Nordschleife lap. None of it is actual real evidence of anything... You're talking to someone who has had a lifelong obsession with the Mclaren F1, so I've seen all this stuff before. I have VHS tapes, magazines, a model car sitting on my mantlepiece, in GT5 I drove the F1 more than any other car.
I've spent enough time researching the car to know that the road F1 is actually not that fast as a track machine. Tsukuba is a good example because he's not mis-shifting at all, he's revving the engine inbetween shifts to keep the engine speed up. The F1 is considered a bit of a "dog" in handling terms (according to many owners and people who have driven it) and that it's also considered quite dangerous as a result, by no stretch of the imagination do I believe for a second that GT5/GT6 are accurate representations of this car.
Ultimately we're talking physics here, and the laws of physics don't magically change just because it's a Mclaren F1 and no Need for Speed game stat is going to change that. There is no solid evidence to suggest that the dubious claim of 0-60 in 2.1 seconds is remotely close to the truth for the F1 GTR, so why are you taking it as concrete?
And regarding this video, the truth is in the video
"first experience of the P1"
"and i've never driven fast up here before"
You've basically assessed that the full capability of the car is based on 1 run up a hill with a driver who has never driven the car before, has never driven the stage before and has no competitive reason to want to push at all, wasn't even wearing a helmet.
Regardless of which car is fastest, we'd never take this as anything serious in motorsport so why would you take it as serious now?
Okay I agree with you but then why is F1 fast at other tracks like bedford autodrome,estoril,good wood (done by tiff needell watch video from 6:53 to 8:18 for 1 lap i.e 1:25.xxx)etc?
For bedford lap time I have actual evidence you have to read evo for that laptime,estoril lap was probably done by CAR MAGAZINE. But tsukuba lap was done in damp weather.But F1 at nurburgring will be decently fast because nurburgring is a bumpy track and soft suspension is the required setup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_handling
But if you thing it handles like a dog then you should watch Tiff Needell review.He does not complain about anything of the car.He says it is sensational,handling is superb.Yes,it does have body rolls which may seem very significant if we look from front view due to lifting,but from rear side it does not look that significant.
In other review he said that F1
I absolutely adore the McLaren F1. It's probably my second favorite car of all-time, right behind the Ferrari F40. I still find many of the claims dubious at best. Wikipedia didn't contain that information for years, nor do many of the bigger lap time websites. If you say you didn't edit the Wikipedia page on September 25, 2015 to add that information, I'll believe you. Anyone can edit those pages... It just seems like a very big coincidence.
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@Bigbazz, I have lusted after the McLaren F1 since the first day I laid eyes on the car in an automotive magazine. I still lust after the car. I just find many of the claims difficult to believe because there never seems to be any "proof" to back up the claims. That magazine article that you inserted into your response to me (Circuit Break!) doesn't mention anything about lap times. It just goes on to brag about the car's wonderful performance.
Actually Mclaren F1 is not my favorate car like you are thinking.My favorate car is the F1 LM,I was never that much impressed by the standard F1.Yes,7:11 claim can be very doubtious, I have searched for it from 2007.Some say it is an LM some say it is a GTR some say it is an XP5.But if you think logically 7:11 will be too slow for racecars like LM(racecar for road) or GTR.There was a video on Mclaren's site before MP4-12c was released about F1 XP5 tested at nurburgring by Hakkinen but laptime was not recorded,so it can be something to do with it or circuit breaker.
But I didn't say it stated laptime at that page but I believe that in some pages lap time might be stated because otherwise it will be pointless to test it without a laptime.I would buy an issue of it if any of them are available to find out.But look at the cornering speeds of F1 it is significantly faster than CCR,911 GT2 RS,911 GT3 RS.I will make a comparision for you to see.CCR did 7:34,911 GT2 did 7:24,911 GT3 did 7:33.
F1 CCR GT2 gt3
322 313 300 276
145 144 149 154
177 166 178 179
274 267 275 258
113 102 104 107
225 250 250 243
161 162 161 162
145 113 110 113
113 98 105 111
242 247 250 240
177 166 171 177
- 89 92 94
129 114 116 117
121 109 109 112
209 194 200 200
193 222 231 226
121 96 97 99
137 135 141 141
There was a video at piston heads where flemke drove Mclaren F1 not a pro driver,estimated lap time was 7:45.
After this I will only speak of F1 GTR vs P1 vs MP4-12c GT3.It is upto you to decide whether F1 has lapped nurburgring or not and regarding its lap time.Because otherwise we will get diverted from the topic of the thread.For comparing real time you can use
http://www.racingsportscars.com/races.html
I lapped F1 GTR at nurburgring in AC today best I could manage was 6:57,with P1 I got 6:25,with MP4-12c GT3 I got 6:30.
