I'm bored...already...

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Wasn't $/time I was thinking about specifically, because that needs some kind of acceptable reference $/time value to use in order to determine what is and isn't good, which is mad and hugely up to the individual.
I disagreed with the notion that the game serving the user for a long time (play time) then becoming boring is somehow not normal, which I perhaps incorrectly assumed was part of what you were saying :p .

I think it's valid in this case. For so many, Gt5 was ever present for 3 years. GT6 was the same up until GTS.

I don't know that GTS will have that kind of staying power given what we've seen so far. So, in that context, is GTS to the same caliber of it's predecessors? So far, I'm not seeing it. It does seem to be getting stale rather quickly.
 
I'm bored of reading threads from people complaining that GTS is disappointing, the lack of cars in the game, the lack of tracks in the game, lack of this, lack of that....if you don't like it, don't play it - simples.

I've played Gran Turismo on every platform from D-Day and, although this iteration is not perfect, it's definitely one of the best versions IMHO. As an older, wiser racer with more non-GT commitments and less free time, I feel this game is certainly good value for money and a constant challenge. Trying to better myself on each attempt of a lap or race, to be a cleaner, smoother racer, isn't that what it's all about ultimately?

I've done track days (on a motorbike) in real life (although nowhere near as many as I'd like to do) and know loads of people who have too. I don't think I've ever come across anybody who's part way through a track day and then gone "I've done x no of laps and now I'm bored". I know it's not a true like for like example but hey, it's something.

People have such high levels of expectations and low levels of tolerance, maybe that's just the way of the world today. I for one am loving the game and will continue to do so for months (and probably years) to come.
 
I think it's valid in this case. For so many, Gt5 was ever present for 3 years. GT6 was the same up until GTS.

I don't know that GTS will have that kind of staying power given what we've seen so far. So, in that context, is GTS to the same caliber of it's predecessors? So far, I'm not seeing it. It does seem to be getting stale rather quickly.
Yeah, I agree :( , I'm not sure how long I'll be playing GTS as regularly as I'm playing it now. Wilting!

A custom and flexible championship mode to allow unofficial user-fed leagues would be epic and aid it's long term ability.
Drifting is being killed with the lack of cars / tracks
etc

I love the game, but no denying the lack of content sucks, especially now after it's been out a while.
 
I think it's valid in this case. For so many, Gt5 was ever present for 3 years. GT6 was the same up until GTS.

I don't know that GTS will have that kind of staying power given what we've seen so far. So, in that context, is GTS to the same caliber of it's predecessors? So far, I'm not seeing it. It does seem to be getting stale rather quickly.

It's the sheer lack of content.
In prior games you had a lot more cars and tracks to learn/master. But GT: Sport has so few of those that you're really pretty limited.
In my frustrations with the daily and FIA races, I've spent time look into all the leagues, but the problem, is that the tracks in GT: Sport are so lacking, I don't really want to. In games past I'd stick to most of the F1 tracks, Spa, Monza etc... and then jump into a league and suddenly have to learn Daytona Road coarse, or Laguna Seca, which felt like a legit challenge.. I could (and did) look at real feedback from drivers who'd driven those tracks and was able to learn them and pick up tips.

It dosn't really matter how they dress it up, the game has a criminal amount of real tracks and a limited amount of cars to pick from. It doesn't help that setups seem to be banned from most Sport events...
 
It's the sheer lack of content.
In prior games you had a lot more cars and tracks to learn/master. But GT: Sport has so few of those that you're really pretty limited.
In my frustrations with the daily and FIA races, I've spent time look into all the leagues, but the problem, is that the tracks in GT: Sport are so lacking, I don't really want to. In games past I'd stick to most of the F1 tracks, Spa, Monza etc... and then jump into a league and suddenly have to learn Daytona Road coarse, or Laguna Seca, which felt like a legit challenge.. I could (and did) look at real feedback from drivers who'd driven those tracks and was able to learn them and pick up tips.

It dosn't really matter how they dress it up, the game has a criminal amount of real tracks and a limited amount of cars to pick from. It doesn't help that setups seem to be banned from most Sport events...

I agree with what you say - but all the content was detailed before the game got released and you still purchased the game, knowing that the content was limited. Nothing was going to change and if you assumed there was more content with what they were showing - well that's your problem and not PD's..
 
I'm bored of reading threads from people complaining that GTS is disappointing, the lack of cars in the game, the lack of tracks in the game, lack of this, lack of that....if you don't like it, don't play it - simples.

I've played Gran Turismo on every platform from D-Day and, although this iteration is not perfect, it's definitely one of the best versions IMHO. As an older, wiser racer with more non-GT commitments and less free time, I feel this game is certainly good value for money and a constant challenge. Trying to better myself on each attempt of a lap or race, to be a cleaner, smoother racer, isn't that what it's all about ultimately?

I've done track days (on a motorbike) in real life (although nowhere near as many as I'd like to do) and know loads of people who have too. I don't think I've ever come across anybody who's part way through a track day and then gone "I've done x no of laps and now I'm bored". I know it's not a true like for like example but hey, it's something.

People have such high levels of expectations and low levels of tolerance, maybe that's just the way of the world today. I for one am loving the game and will continue to do so for months (and probably years) to come.
Don't like people complaining about the game, ignore their posts. Simples. Amazing how that works.
 
I dont think i have ever done anything for more than a couple hundred hours before getting bored in some way. Thats just normal.

My personal expectation with todays games is that a good game should provide me with 100+hours of playable content (i will include the online multiplayer aspect with this.) Outside of that how much more can one expect from a relatively new game still developing more DLC?
 
I've seen terminator 2 50 times and I'm bored too. Just kidding. I have stopped playing because the motion controll are bad after 1.10.
 
Don't like people complaining about the game, ignore their posts. Simples. Amazing how that works.
I didn't say I don't like people complaining about the game, just that I'm bored of it. Just like the user is bored of the game and expressed their opinion, I did the same and expressed my boredom with people complaining about the game. Don't like me expressing my opinion, ignore it. Simples
 
I agree with what you say - but all the content was detailed before the game got released and you still purchased the game, knowing that the content was limited. Nothing was going to change and if you assumed there was more content with what they were showing - well that's your problem and not PD's..
What are you talking about?
The content of the game has changed since launch... we have more cars, more events and a new track layout...

Also, who’s saying it’s anyone’s problem? I’ve played well over 100 hours and still enjoy the livery editor. I’m just running out of things to do other than just Sport more on the same tracks... there was no information about what’s sport mode would be limited or not limited to... no one knew prior to launch that Sport mode would be limited to GR4/3 and random one make races...
 
I didn't say I don't like people complaining about the game, just that I'm bored of it. Just like the user is bored of the game and expressed their opinion, I did the same and expressed my boredom with people complaining about the game. Don't like me expressing my opinion, ignore it. Simples
Circular logic for the win.:lol:
 
I will never be bored of online racing, a few more tracks would be nice and coming soon.....
Same here, I agree content might be limited but the online experiences is definitely something thats always interesting.

I never played sim racing games before but I found that the most enjoying part of the game is self improvement and clean competition not the fancy cars, single player etc.
 
Well.... For comparison, it was about two years after the launch of GT5 before I completed the single player endurance races. Remember when they were 6,12,and 24 hours long?

Gts can't match that.
 
So, Devil's Advocate, GT Sport is Online and Sport Focused, right? So less street stuff and less single player makes sense.

But it also has less online content than GT6 (no specific hot lap challenges). It also has less. SPORT. No Nascar, No JGTC, and... Lets face it... No prototype racing (there hasn't been a single daily with GR1)

That doesn't strike anyone as odd? Content "may" be coming, but will there be players to experience it?
 
So, Devil's Advocate, GT Sport is Online and Sport Focused, right? So less street stuff and less single player makes sense.

But it also has less online content than GT6 (no specific hot lap challenges). It also has less. SPORT. No Nascar, No JGTC, and... Lets face it... No prototype racing (there hasn't been a single daily with GR1)

That doesn't strike anyone as odd? Content "may" be coming, but will there be players to experience it?

I’d like to race in Gr.1!
Probably, I’d get humiliated by the aliens out there... as they seem to have a lot more reflexes than I have... worth trying!
 
OK....So check this out.

I was playing single player. Now, I have said before that the entire single player should be available as online as well. But, if we just take the game for what it is right now, why aren't these single player events offered as Dailies as well. I mean, why are they not in the rotation?

Wouldn't Race A be cool if it were Clio Cup some days, or Sunday Cup?

I just did the MidShip Challenge and it would be a GREAT Race C! N600 car on SS tires! Even if they were on RH tires, that would be better than the repetitive Gr4/Gr3 daily merry go round.

So, right there, with little effort, they could make the game better and extend the life.


But there is something else. There is endless threads on the stupidity of the AI, but it really shows it's potential in the Midship Challenge. Once I got the lead and started to pull away, one of the bots got proper fast. He ran a lap two seconds faster than me. My car was not tuned right and it was a handful, but I watched the replay and this bot ran a REALLY good lap.

But, it was just ONE lap. Once he got to second, he slowed down to match my pace.

There is SO MUCH this game could be. Maybe someday we'll actually receive what we paid for. :(
 
Muj
I am truly sorry if I sound pessimistic and negative, but I feel GT Sport is utterly dissappointing in terms of content, I mean I've already owned most of the cars (the ones I don't have are ones I'm not interested in having), got gold on all GT League, Driving School, Mission Challenge, and Circuit Experience, raced over 300 Sport Mode races (which are very repetitive btw), thoroughly explored the livery editor and Scapes, played a lot of lobby races (which are usually just bumper cars). That might seem like a lot, but 2-3 months into the game and I already feel I've done everything there is to be done.

I apologize for the really long rant, I could've typed an essay but left a lot unsaid.
Join a private league.
 
Muj
I am truly sorry if I sound pessimistic and negative, but I feel GT Sport is utterly dissappointing in terms of content, I mean I've already owned most of the cars (the ones I don't have are ones I'm not interested in having), got gold on all GT League, Driving School, Mission Challenge, and Circuit Experience, raced over 300 Sport Mode races (which are very repetitive btw), thoroughly explored the livery editor and Scapes, played a lot of lobby races (which are usually just bumper cars). That might seem like a lot, but 2-3 months into the game and I already feel I've done everything there is to be done.

I apologize for the really long rant, I could've typed an essay but left a lot unsaid.

You must have put some hours in to do all that. And for free PD are giving you some extra content, including new tracks next month. I guess you'll still not be happy!
 
They didn't say that it'll be free.
Yes they did:

http://nordic.ign.com/gran-turismo-sport/4276/news/gran-turismo-sport-wont-include-microtransactions

As reported by GTPlanet, speaking at the PlayStation Experience event in Malaysia, Yamauchi responded to a question from Youtube user Gema Show Indo and confirmed that there will be online updates in the form of new cars and tracks - but that microtransactions are definitely off the table this time round.

And if PD have planned include paid DLC i'm pretty sure it would be a season pass to buy already from the Playstation Store.
 
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You must have put some hours in to do all that. And for free PD are giving you some extra content, including new tracks next month. I guess you'll still not be happy!

Can we have the source for the confirmation tracks (plural) are coming next month for free? That'd make excellent front page news!

Yes they did:

http://nordic.ign.com/gran-turismo-sport/4276/news/gran-turismo-sport-wont-include-microtransactions

As reported by GTPlanet, speaking at the PlayStation Experience event in Malaysia, Yamauchi responded to a question from Youtube user Gema Show Indo and confirmed that there will be online updates in the form of new cars and tracks - but that microtransactions are definitely off the table this time round.

And if PD have planned include paid DLC i'm pretty sure it would be a season pass to buy already from Playstation Store.

No. Yamauchi said the game would not have any microtransactions. That does not necessarily mean all DLC will be free, it means players won't be able to buy credits for cash a la GT6.
 
No. Yamauchi said the game would not have any microtransactions. That does not necessarily mean all DLC will be free, it means players won't be able to buy credits for cash a la GT6.
Ah, okay, sorry, i thought microtransactions included DLC as well, but it dosen't and i can't find anything that says all DLC's will be for free... :O.
 
Already? Seems you put a lot of time in the game and you got your money’s worth.

This mentality has been bugging me. This isn't directly aimed at you @Bricks50. I'm just using this comment to for the discussion.

People who bought the game are relying on 20 years of history and the expectations that brings.

Like, when GT says there are 200 new cars, it means 200+ a bunch of the previous ones. Buying the game and playing for 40 hours doesn't equal "you're money's worth" when it's this game. GT5 had one 24hour event, so if the game were just endurance events, would you have gotten "your money's worth"? You're buying content and in this case it isn't there.

It's been eating at me for a while now and I believe it's eating at others, but this game seems not only incomplete, but in it's infancy, and unintentionally so.

Sure, gamers often say a game is "not finished" because there's bugs or something. But with GT Sport, I think unfinished is just scratching the surface. I think GT was canned for a while, completely and utterly cancelled. Then, at some point between 2013 and the beginning of the Beta, someone changed their mind. I'm thinking that it was only months before the Beta. I think all this talk about an intentional staggered release approach is a giant lie.

Here's the evidence that I am pointing to (it may be circumstantial, I know, but it's food for thought).

Oddball Licensing:

HRE wheels - There's a decal for these wheels, but no wheels. Seems odd.
Work wheels - We have the wheels, but no decal. Again, seems odd.
LeMans - LeMans is all over the Scapes, but there is no in-game version even though the last two games had the track.
The cars - Ok, I realize that in the Scapes, the cars look amazing. But in game, they aren't shockingly better than the GT5/GT6 cars. In GT5, you couldn't use the standard cars in the Scapes. The same could have been done this time around where the GT5/6 hi-res cars were unavailable for scapes. Yes, this thread shows how great the cars look in the photo mode, but on track, I just don't see the difference. I am talking about the launch cars specifically. It's almost as if they didn't have the licensing for the GT5/6 cars because it somehow lapsed, and now, they are trying to regain it. The VGT's are really the smoking gun here. I don't believe the VGT's are remodeled, and if they are, why would THEY be the cars to remodel before any others?

The Online Save

In GT5, we discovered that the car's configuration could be tampered with in the save file. We could also hack the cars to give ourselves the limited edition cars (the cars people had to do something special for, like the Chrome Editions). For GT6, they solved this by not having anymore special editions other than the 15th Anniversary Cars. Seems like a terrible way to solve the problem, but I can see that maybe it was the only option. Now, the proper solution is here. Online saves creates a DRM type of situation so that limited cars can be re-instituted. However, there are none. The only limited car in the entire game is the GT-R Pace Car. That's it. One car. It's the only car that cannot be obtained through either a dealership or the mileage exchange. The kicker? You can't use it anywhere because it's GR.X.

Isn't that bizarre to anyone?

Single Player

I do not believe that single player is a reaction to upset gamers, but I do agree that it's SUPER sparse. No championships? Weird. Not being ready for launch? Super weird. And for a game called "Sport"...ummmm....no Sport? There is one endurance race and that's it. No Gr.3 events? No Gr 4 events? No Rally events? Sure, there's challenges, but that really isn't the same thing.

Now, we've come to expect bad AI. GT6 single player was worse that GT5 and that was worse the 4. But the thing it, GTS actually has good AI in it IF you happen to trigger it (try the midship event to see what I mean). So, someone went to the effort of making a big AI improvement, but the rest of the work seems to have been halted for some reason. It isn't showcased in any meaningful way. That's bizarre.

The VGT's

Remember the big deal that came when a new VGT was launched in GT6? Now, they're just there in the dealership...no big deal. Also, they are even more pointless. Other than the VGT's that were converted to Gr3/4 use, what's the point of a VGT? It's as if they had the license for these cars already, so it made an easy solution to a lack of content.

The Mileage Exchange

Where's the helmets and suits? I haven't seen anything new in months.

The Dailies

The dailies seem a little "Set it and forget it" to me. Especially, Race C. It's either GR.4 or GR.3. It's never anything else. Doesn't that strike anyone else as bizarre? How about some Supercar racing? Even one GR.B? I know people tend to not like the rally events, but wouldn't you expect one? Even on an asphalt track?

GR.B and GR.1

Where's the content to go along with these categories? Gr. B especially since there seems to be so much effort put into it. There are SO MANY CARS but no place to use them. No one finds that strange?

Player rank

You could argue that they are leaving it up to the community to make online events, but the tools really aren't there for that. I have my criticism of the DR/SR system, as many do, but we can't deny that players see it as a badge of honor. And, really, it's the only prestige a player can have. Your player level is meaningless. If I am player level 50, what does that mean from a game perspective? Nothing. What about that "Sapphire" badge? Nothing (yet?). With DR and SR being the defacto measure of a player, shouldn't there be a system for ranked events or simply MORE ranked events, or even a weekly special event? Something?

The Daily Workout

I have played almost everyday since launch, because there's an achievement and I get a car. These two things seem to not jive. They give away a car, potentially every day, and (for me at least) it's made it so that I can sell the cars that I have bought to recoup some cash. It's almost as if someone said "Won't people get bored quickly with this lack of content?" and the answer was "Yes, probably. Let's give away a car a day and maybe that will get us through to a time where we can release more content."

No release schedule and no-shows

Every quarter, we should have an idea of what is coming in the next quarter. We have no idea what is actually coming beyond a few clues. The team were taking photos of the Isle of Mann circuit, but no mention of it to be released. They take photos of SEMA cars, but no mention of release. There's press releases from years past about other SEMA cars "featuring in an upcoming Gran Turismo" but they aren't featured yet. (Specifically, the GoPro Camaro). Even the big update we got in December is really strange. The game itself SHOULD have been enough to carry it to Christmas, but they scheduled a new car pack followed by "big" update for the month of Christmas?

That Car's We've Gotten

You've followed me this far, so let me finish on this last thought. WTF is with the cars we got in the updates? A GR1 Audi, when there's no GR1 events? The Ford Raptor? Given the focus on Gr3 and Gr4, and given that they feed that to us daily, I would expect a new GR3 and GR4 car, wouldn't you? Yes, I think the Raptor is cool, but why decide on a Ford Raptor? Bugatti Doesn't have a GR3 car. Why is Toyota using a VGT instead of their GT3 LFA? How about SOMETHING that caters to what players are using most, because they game gives that to us the most. Again, very bizarre.

Each point is strange on it's own, but if you put them all together, it looks like the entire game has been cobbled together at the last minute to try and make a not only a Christmas release, but a release at all!! It's like they are picking up the pieces and they aren't doing it in any particular order.

Yes, I got entertainment value, but I haven't gotten my money's worth.
 
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