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I'm willing to make any adjustments / amendments to this new thread. Provided that it can be agreed upon by the forum.

There have been comments about why a numbering system. The old thread started out that way, nobody complained about that, so I figured, why not ? Now all of a sudden, we have this aspect about the new thread. Why do we need a numbering system associated with a trader ? My question will be this. Do we or do we not want a numbering system associated beside our name ? Yes or No ? If we can all agree, or come to a majority conclusion, I will make the necessary changes, either by continuing the numbering system, or going in and deleting all numbers associated with the names listed. There is a flip side of this same coin though. Some have made mention that they were a XXX number trader in the old thread, and now they are a 1 trader, a 2 trader, or a trader with no number. They seem to be bothered by by this.That sort of tells me that they were on the side of seeing their name with an associated number beside it. So now we as a forum have a bridge to cross. It would seem as if no matter which way we go on this, that some one, or some group will get their toes stepped on (pending the decision as to whether or not we use a numbering system). I'm willing to go either way. You, as a forum can decide and I will make the appropriate changes in the thread.

So for now, lets attempt to come to some sort of an agreeance on whether or not to use a numbering system. After that, we can move on to another aspect of this thread.

Thanks
 
Yes the old thread started that way but the members of the forum took it upon themselves to utilize that thread to its full potential. I'm certainly not the one who came up with this whole "use the search" method. I saw everyone else doing it. I promoted that thread, I made it a point to leave feedback. It took a life of it's own.

Your sort of missing the point I'm trying to make about the old thread. It doesn't need to change at all. So before we decide on whether or not there is a scoring system or not why don't we address the issue that started this entire mess? Do we even need a new thread? Why is the old thread still closed? That is my issue right now.

It has been discussed to death how the search function works. Now how is having an updated OP more efficient?

I just want to hear what is wrong with the search function method because I'm having trouble seeing a flaw.

1. You want a number count post.
2. Helps encourage new members to use the search function.
 
Nicksfix
I'm willing to make any adjustments / amendments to this new thread. Provided that it can be agreed upon by the forum.

There have been comments about why a numbering system. The old thread started out that way, nobody complained about that, so I figured, why not ? Now all of a sudden, we have this aspect about the new thread. Why do we need a numbering system associated with a trader ? My question will be this. Do we or do we not want a numbering system associated beside our name ? Yes or No ? If we can all agree, or come to a majority conclusion, I will make the necessary changes, either by continuing the numbering system, or going in and deleting all numbers associated with the names listed. There is a flip side of this same coin though. Some have made mention that they were a XXX number trader in the old thread, and now they are a 1 trader, a 2 trader, or a trader with no number. They seem to be bothered by by this.That sort of tells me that they were on the side of seeing their name with an associated number beside it. So now we as a forum have a bridge to cross. It would seem as if no matter which way we go on this, that some one, or some group will get their toes stepped on (pending the decision as to whether or not we use a numbering system). I'm willing to go either way. You, as a forum can decide and I will make the appropriate changes in the thread.

So for now, lets attempt to come to some sort of an agreeance on whether or not to use a numbering system. After that, we can move on to another aspect of this thread.

Thanks
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As for the bolded, I don't think those folks are interested in the number so much as they are concerned that if we move to a numbering system, then the numbers will be all that matter. For example, if you really want new traders to get anything out of this, they need to be connected with those of us who are reliable. If they look in the new thread and see a 1 or 2 next to my name, they aren't getting the full picture since I have over 119 successful trades with only two cock ups that weren't even my fault. Similarly, I might miss out on connecting with a new trader because they think I am unreliable because of a low "score" when that is not a true representation of my reliability.

As a side note, you will not please everyone. The best you can do is open up the debate, ask for a show of hands, and then move on with that decision. We'll decide whether to participate or not based on that.
 
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As for the bolded, I don't think those folks are interested in the number so much as they are concerned that if we move to a numbering system, then the numbers will be all that matter. For example, if you really want new traders to get anything out of this, they need to be connected with those of us who are reliable. If they look in the new thread and see a 1 or 2 next to my name, they aren't getting the full picture since I have over 119 successful trades with only two cock ups that weren't even my fault. Similarly, I might miss out on connecting with a new trader because they think I am unreliable because of a low "score" when that is not a true representation of my reliability.

As a side note, you will not please everyone. The best you can do is open up the debate, ask for a show of hands, and then move on with that decision. We'll decide whether to participate to not based on that.
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And I have to second you on both points... (the scoring system and Nicksfix cant please everyone)
 
I really think GTP shot itself in the balls with this dictatorship strategy.

If this is what the future brings, then I'm happy I leave this behind me.
And move on (or better said: back) to my old forum where fun, joy, free gifting and helping out without flaming still happens every day.

I'm not allowed to promote other websites which are competitors, so if needed drop me a pm.
 
Yeah,I'm trying to ignore the speculation and use this thread for what it's actually meant for mate.;)👍
 
2005** and thank you sir.:):lol: one of the best you are mate.+10000000 for Outeke.
 
Outeke
I really think GTP shot itself in the balls with this dictatorship strategy.
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If it were a dictatorship you wouldn't be having this discussion.

Nicksfix has made it clear that everything is up for discussion, so discuss, but in a positive way or not at all. How's that for dictatorship. :rolleyes:
 
The old thread was self-sufficient in its means has it only meant searching through some posts manually or through the search option, The Original post did not need updating with a system that looks to take place in the new thread, Has the old reputation was about witnessing people doing a successful trade rather than a score given, So it was run on the ability to see who had a good trade and you know from recent posts in the thread that the two parties involved in that could be trusted at a later date to trade with.

One of my pet hates we now have to scroll beyond more stickeys has they are now extras in the marketplace and also the old thread which has been stickied will eventually become useless has people have a tendencies to just fly past then?

The old thread has a years worth of trading history of peoples reputations. (Not by scores but by being there with a succesful trade)
What happens to those who built that up and why should members who have not been around for a long time be punished by not being in a reputation thread? Since when we first heard of this its under presumption that the old thread will become a useless piece in the market place whether its stickied or not.?
Simply by the fact people will tend to search the new thread rather than the old thread?

Why not have an amalgamation of the old an new and then its just a question of updating it, placing more defining posting issues in it. and clean up the old rather than force a new one upon us?

Plus I have also pointed how hard it is for new members to climb on the ladder of trading, Its going to be even harder for them when they have no reputation to start out with, Plus it could also have a averse effect on how members are trading now.
Simply by the fact they could or may wish to trade with people who only have a reputation over a certain level?

After being here for a while now I feel that all this has kind off been thrown at us and that's one thing what I feel this community its not about.
Its based on friendship and building trust between our fellow members.
Another reason why the old thread worked in itself was the nice reports people gave each other for a pleasant trading experience.? Not about scores or + positives?
I have personally found some great friends and enjoyed my time here, I never wish to upset people which I may of done, But I feel strongly about this in a way it was done rather than the idea behind it. I just belief that the ideas need fine tuning than rather having something that's irrelevent placed on us.?
But since its us GTPlanet members that make it what it is?
All we want is what is useful to us, And those that used the old thread found its use.

EDIT: I would also like to say that some one pointed out the old reputation thread started to be a CHAT forum.
One good thing with the new ownership of the old or the new thread is that could be policed in the form of some one watching over it?
So we get good defined posts on the line I had a trade with person A and all went well. DONE.

Rather than a ten line post saying that he told me all his family history and its great he invited me to dinner and he was going to let me send my own car over his PS to my PS.
Am so chuffed I traded with them.
Am going to be over the moon seeing a car in my gargae that I sent from some one else,s PS to mine.
Oh my gosh thats plus 5000 positives for you just for being my friend.:D
And then a furtehr 10 posts saying but I love you more for being my friend.

Just needs to be a simple thing has most good things usually are?
 
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Sphinx
If it were a dictatorship you wouldn't be having this discussion.

Nicksfix has made it clear that everything is up for discussion, so discuss, but in a positive way or not at all. How's that for dictatorship. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, you can have a discussion in North Korea and Iran too but still nobody would listens there, right?

As a software developer I learned not to repair unbroken stuff, and still it is happening here...although many people tried to discuss the useless new idea.

So leaves us to present time....what do we have now?
One reputation thread, for most traders the usefull one, is closed many days ago!
One reputation thread, for GTP Mod's and Nicksfix only perhaps?
And two into one merged discussion threads......

I think Chris, Hoodfield and others have pointed out clearly what is wrong.
But still nobody is listening....

How hard could it be to leave the old reputation thread open while we're having a discussion?
Besides, who needs a reputation scoreboard anyway.

I know how it would look like from the top of my head.

Sharky969 1000+
Jeep2008 1000+
Monatsende 1000+
Igwyana 1000+
Christara123 1000+
Outeke 1000+
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.newbie +3

And now, I screw over the top 5 traders....is Nicksfix the judge to lower my reputation?



But it is great that a mod is back into this thread. Now only undo the changes and start a normal discussion what people want from a reputation thread.
 
One other thing I would like to say on the subject.
Its really been annoying me from the outcome of all this.

Just by looking thru the Old reputation thread not many a day go,s by without it having an entry placed on it.
So if it was not making sense or people didn,t understand it then how come people post in it.?
Every one knew it never got updated in the OP but that never bothered people posting there.
Has I have said its not about posting a lot of information its a question of the important things being said.

I had a successful trade with BOB.

So one day the time will come hey BOB I know you to be trusted I will trade with you.
Take care and chat soon bye for now.:)
 
Sphinx
If it were a dictatorship you wouldn't be having this discussion.

Nicksfix has made it clear that everything is up for discussion, so discuss, but in a positive way or not at all. How's that for dictatorship. :rolleyes:
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Thanks for acknowledging this. How much of a discussion is it going to take to get the old thread re-opened? I think the points have been made again and agian, yet Nicksfix is failing to answer when he is challenged and has yet to answer why this new thread is better than the old. All confusion about the old thread has been explained I see no reason that it can't just be re-opened. I know you can see for yourself how the closing of the old thread un-folded and can we at least agree it was a mistake? Now that members have spoken up we just want it re-opened and then continue a debate. No one is yet to prove what is wrong with the old thread so therefore with it being closed it makes it seem as if the Staff has backed the position of Nicksfix without taking what was said by the marketplace members into consideration.
 
What I feel is most powerful about us that dislike the scoring system is we are all some of the heavier traders that would have the higher score. It's not a bunch of us that are upset because we would be at the "bottom of the ladder".

I think that should speak volumes. I know Chris, Hoodfield, Outeke and even myself are all regular trader that trade 1-3 trades a day with others (the equivalent of one car, ie: 1 car, 5 paints mc or horns, or 1 gear set.)

And as many of us have stated that was the beauty of the search in the old thread or just looking through the last few pages.
 
ryanerb
What I feel is most powerful about us that dislike the scoring system is we are all some of the heavier traders that would have the higher score. It's not a bunch of us that are upset because we would be at the "bottom of the ladder".

I think that should speak volumes. I know Chris, Hoodfield, Outeke and even myself are all regular trader that trade 1-3 trades a day with others (the equivalent of one car, ie: 1 car, 5 paints mc or horns, or 1 gear set.)

And as many of us have stated that was the beauty of the search in the old thread or just looking through the last few pages.
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Totally agree.
While I see many of the regular traders who don,t need a scoring system or a new thread its us that are has people put it in some sort of way higher, Its not about that in my opinion its about do we really need a new thread when all thats gone before was doing its job? (Old thread)

Like its been pointed out its not about us " BIG TRADERS " its about WHY.
Many of us don,t even need to be putting our points or opinions across.
I have a friends list like many on GTPlanet that ON PS3 has been filled a couple of times over, I don,t need a reputation thread as per say.
But I do feel that the new thread in comparision to the old thread holds nothing to what the old thread was doing.

I have not so long ago done a trade with all to see who was a new comer?
Posted how many trades I and he completed. (3)
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136295&page=439
Jan 06 2012, 10:46 PM POST#8776 In the OLD THREAD.
Thats there for all to see, It wasn,t a score I gave him it was a completion of trades I had done with him.
Now when he enters elsewhere in the marketplace with being a new member his reputation stands him in good stead when he has traded with some one like myself.?
Could of been some one else but because he an I had a good trade history and people know if I made a good remark about him then he could be trusted and he would then grow in the market place.?

Same go,s for any good remark some one says about somebody else.:D
Thats how the old thread ran itself. Without being updated.
Chat soon mate bye for now.:)

EDIT: If for anything the only thing I could see wrong with the old thread was the idle banter and the back and forth posts like having a conversasion between 2 people after there positive comments were made.?
 
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I've read this thread over a few times and I'm failing to see the other sides argument. My interpretation of the events that happened:

One member decides to take it upon himself to want to organize the reputation thread. He ask in the help desk and the suggestion is made to close the old thread and start an new one so he could acheive what he wanted. That suggestion was made by someone who does not use the marketplace, the old thread, or really have any valid reason to make that suggestion besides just glancing at the thread.

New thread shows up in market place. It's the first time marketplace members see this change. We object immediatly to the idea of a new thread. Moderator close old thread and stickies new thread. Feedback system soley based off Nicksfix opinion takes the place of the old system which had been working perfectly for over a year.

Senior members of the marketplace subform specfically speak out. The old system is explained. We then question what is wrong with the old system? We await your reasoning. You don't acknowledge any of the arguments brought against what your doing. You continue to insist on changing this system. You make no acknowlegement of the old thread. You now want to debate how you will run your new thread.

To the Mods:
If we are seriouly going to debate this furthur the old thread should be re-opened to elimate the tension in here. Then we can discuss why the community needs to change what has been working for over a year, rather than how its going to change because lots of us strongly disagree with the thought of one person controlling feedback especially when a perfectly good communitity run system is in place.

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I'd also like to point out the lack of activity in the new thread. The people in the bottom right hand corner of the screen will decide the fate of this thread and the marketplace not soley one person.
 
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If a simple show of hands is what is needed to facilitate a decision here then let it be known that my hand is raised high for the old thread to be re-opened. Maybe it strayed away from the topic here and there but a study of the overall thread and the general consensus of the members here show that it worked just fine and can continue to do so. I too worry about "the little guy" that needs the green light that a few positive remarks from established traders give. Any kind of scoring system is, in my eyes, going to put emphasis on the high profile traders only dealing with other high profile traders and eventually filtering out everyone else. The new traders that could benefit tremendously from a short explanation of a trade they completed are quite possibly the high profile traders of tomorrow and they deserve to be recognized as anyone does. I would really like to see the old thread re-opened so we can get back to doing what we do.
 
Yeah we've been asking and mentioning that for days now.....
 
HOODFIELD
Thanks for acknowledging this.
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You're welcome, and thanks for posting in a manner that is fitting enough for a reply. 👍


HOODFIELD
How much of a discussion is it going to take to get the old thread re-opened? I think the points have been made again and agian, yet Nicksfix is failing to answer when he is challenged and has yet to answer why this new thread is better than the old. All confusion about the old thread has been explained I see no reason that it can't just be re-opened.
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I only came across this yesterday, I knew nothing about it. I saw two indentical discussions taking place in different parts of the forum, one on-topic, the other off-topic. As a moderator I merged them and moved it to the appropriate sub forum. With the fast moving nature of posting here I beleieved that it was also appropriate to stickie the topic for the time being. At that time I was unaware of the issue at hand, I was simply moderating/tidying things up like a good little boy. :)



HOODFIELD
I know you can see for yourself how the closing of the old thread un-folded and can we at least agree it was a mistake?
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Can I? Yesterday, when I first came across this, it appeared that it was dealt with, or at least being dealt with. However, now that I've found the time to do some digging this may not be the case. Once I get some feedback from the questions I've asked backchannel and fully understand what's going on I'll get back to you guys. 👍

Sorry for the late reply. I've been at work all day and can only pop in here once in a while during the day.
 
Thank you very much Sphinx. I assumed because you merged the thread you read how it unfolded but this can be a little much to an outsider. I have been waiting patiently for a few days and for the record the very first thing I did was privatly PM a Mod. The only problem is for whatever reason he has not responded to me so it becomes frustrating playing the waiting game and I've just kept posting my view in the thread and keep hoping for my voice to be heard. Your the first person to directly respond to my concerns so thank you.
 
So everybody else who is not capable to write it in their own native language, and so writes it a bit different, has no manner? Serious...hahah

Gets more and more funny this website.....
 
Outeke
So everybody else who is not capable to write it in their own native language, and so writes it a bit different, has no manner? Serious...hahah

Gets more and more funny this website.....
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Actually, I was just referring to the tripe you post, no one else.

If you want to talk about being serious, I seriously suggest you stop posting in here before this moderator decides to forget the whole thing and does something much more interesting during his spare time at home. The fate of my participation in sorting out this issue is now in your hands.
 
Sphinx
Can I? Yesterday, when I first came across this, it appeared that it was dealt with, or at least being dealt with. However, now that I've found the time to do some digging this may not be the case. Once I get some feedback from the questions I've asked backchannel and fully understand what's going on I'll get back to you guys. 👍

Sorry for the late reply. I've been at work all day and can only pop in here once in a while during the day.
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Firstly thank you for the taking the time to look into this situation and the trouble its placed upon what has happened.
Also for taking the time to read through what has been posted, Reagrding the debate and hopefully we can get an outcome that suits all parties.
Chat soon bye for now.:)
 
Sphinx
If you want to talk about being serious, I seriously suggest you stop posting in here before this moderator decides to forget the whole thing and does something much more interesting during his spare time at home. The fate of my participation in sorting out this issue is now in your hands.
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An ultimatum? OK, here is the post you don't wanted me to write.
I love it when people think they got some kind of power over others and so they can give me an ultimatum.

Done that....feels good!

So as you said in the quoted message, please stick to your word and enjoy doing something useful instead.
I wish you all the fun in the world with the more interesting things in your spare hours that you can do now.

Cheers!
 
A car collecter
i cant believe i wasted my time reading all nine pages of this rubbish...
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:lol: I guess it might look at little stranged to a new come but once you have been here a while and understand how things work then you may understand why we feel strongly about something being taking away from us and replaced with something we don,t need.?
Enjoy the community and welcome.
Happy trading.
Chat soon bye for now.:)
 
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