I'm willing to take on a big task: Discuss: New Reputation Thread

[latoslapise]

Well unfortuantely the other thread was finished in 3 posts.? Just because its not wearing a big padlock it doesn,t mean its not over.
Meaning it was decided on the Janurary 9th. In the 3rd post.
So that means the new reputation thread was going to be up and running.
Thats a debate for you.
Any further questions there are falling on deaf ears. Since the thread of the great debate served its purpose.?
No one had a say on how the new thread was to work.

It was also in my opinion posted in an area of GTPlanet that was very obscure to regular users who use GTPlanet just for GT5.
Like I said not every one reads every thread that gets made.
Which I once again having written that before and my comments are just getting repeated for your benifit since your not reading what has gone before.?

Thats why poeple have come here to air there veiws. You will see that in post number 4/5/6/7 and so on.
And until the poeple who use this thread like the old thread was used that debate shall run.?
We are the people who use the reputation thread should have a right to how that thread is run since its us that make that thread what it is.
We are angry and upset that its just gone over every ones heads without any feedback from the people who use it.

Now for godsake lets hope that takes any confusion you have out of the equation.?
Am off to watch a film. Has this is making me very tired having to explain myself to some one who isn,t taking the time to read what has been posted and wants to follow the bandwagon.? That is Senseless.
Chat soon bye for now.

No confusion on my part now that this quote is where it belongs

 

[christara321]

No confusion on my part now that this quote is where it belongs

Now do you want to be an even bigger jerk and go copy the other 120 odd posts over. Or why don,t you climb off your big fat horse and grow a pair.
Proper jerk thats all I can say about people like you.
Don,t want to listen just want to be right.
Big whoopee do smart move.?
Like I say again what is your problem with me.?
Is it that you do not like that I have an opinion. Is that it.
Bye pal.


LOOK AT THE FIRST POSTS THEY DECIDED THAT THE NEW THREAD IS GOING AHEAD ITS OVER IS THE DEBATE AFTER THEM 3 QUESTIONS.
NOW JUST GROW UP AND MOVE ON.?
Oh forgot better put a LOL in there

 

[latoslapise]

Now do you want to be an even bigger jerk and go copy the other 120 odd posts over. Or why don,t you climb off your big fat horse and grow a pair.
Proper jerk thats all I can say about people like you.
Don,t want to listen just want to be right.
Big whoopee do smart move.?
Like I say again what is your problem with me.?
Is it that you do like that I have an opinion. Is that it.
Bye pal.

LOOK AT THE FIRST POSTS THEY DECIDED THAT THE NEW THREAD IS GOING AHEAD ITS OVER IS THE DEBATE AFTER THEM 3 QUESTIONS.
NOW JUST GROW UP AND MOVE ON.?
Oh forgot better put a LOL in there

Well unfortuantely the other thread was finished in 3 posts.? Just because its not wearing a big padlock it doesn,t mean its not over.
Meaning it was decided on the Janurary 9th. In the 3rd post.
So that means the new reputation thread was going to be up and running.
Thats a debate for you.
Any further questions there are falling on deaf ears. Since the thread of the great debate served its purpose.?
No one had a say on how the new thread was to work.

It was also in my opinion posted in an area of GTPlanet that was very obscure to regular users who use GTPlanet just for GT5.
Like I said not every one reads every thread that gets made.
Which I once again having written that before and my comments are just getting repeated for your benifit since your not reading what has gone before.?

Thats why poeple have come here to air there veiws. You will see that in post number 4/5/6/7 and so on.
And until the poeple who use this thread like the old thread was used that debate shall run.?
We are the people who use the reputation thread should have a right to how that thread is run since its us that make that thread what it is.
We are angry and upset that its just gone over every ones heads without any feedback from the people who use it.

Now for godsake lets hope that takes any confusion you have out of the equation.?
Am off to watch a film. Has this is making me very tired having to explain myself to some one who isn,t taking the time to read what has been posted and wants to follow the bandwagon.? That is Senseless.
Chat soon bye for now.

Glad to see you know where the proper thread is 👍 now if we could find a sense of humor we'd be set though you did a get an lol in there. Now that was picking on you. But anyways you are the one who obviously has not been listening. I have never told you or anybody to not have an opinion. All I have been saying is that there is this thread, that was being used to voice our opinions. So thank you for posting here

 

[christara321]

Glad to see you know where the proper thread is 👍 now if we could find a sense of humor we'd be set though you did a get an lol in there. Now that was picking on you. But anyways you are the one who obviously has not been listening. I have never told you or anybody to not have an opinion. All I have been saying is that there is this thread, that was being used to voice our opinions. So thank you for posting here

Offended post removed.
Good bye kid.

 

[Blitz24]

Right when you have moved all other posts over and get this moved in an area that is relevent to the moving and destuction of the OLD REPUTATION THREAD which is GT5 related not GTPLANET where this thread is placed, And post it where its of serving some purpose. then you might have some power.?
But until then I think you just want to grow up and go kill some one in a school thats usually what takes place when you kids play out.?
Now when you come back with a proper answer of what you have a issue with me then I will discuss it like a debate until then why don,t go and multiply with other family members.?
Good bye kid.

You could probably have dealt with this in a proper manner but now its just becoming a problem. Email the moderators regarding the thread and don't insult other members or make remarks like you just did.

 

[latoslapise]

Right when you have moved all other posts over and get this moved in an area that is relevent to the moving and destuction of the OLD REPUTATION THREAD which is GT5 related not GTPLANET where this thread is placed, And post it where its of serving some purpose. then you might have some power.?
But until then I think you just want to grow up and go kill some one in a school thats usually what takes place when you kids play out.?
Now when you come back with a proper answer of what you have a issue with me then I will discuss it like a debate until then why don,t go and multiply with other family members.?
Good bye kid.

Not everything has to be about you. If you can read then you should be able to see that this thread is about the old rep thread and you have already posted on here about your dissatisfaction before engaging me in debate.

 

[christara321]

Here we go guys.
Tried to stand up for something I thought was right, Unfortunately I have a little kid that I feel is harrasing me and I have come back with an answer that has upset the odd people.
I have tried to explain to kid what his problem was with me.
Still no answer.?

Well fair income. Keep your thread and your site thats what you get when you have opinion. Dam shame to try speak up for something you believe in.
Next post is to a Moderator to close my account and move on.
Take care bye for now. Its been fun chat soon am gone.

 

[christara321]

Here we go guys.
Tried to stand up for something I thought was right, Unfortunately I have a little kid that I feel is harrasing me and I have come back with an answer that has upset the odd people.
I have tried to explain to kid what his problem was with me.
Still no answer.?

Well fair income. Keep your thread and your site thats what you get when you have opinion. Dam shame to try speak up for something you believe in.
Next post is to a Moderator to close my account and move on.
Take care bye for now. Its been fun chat soon am gone.

 

[Rayzah]

Glad to see you know where the proper thread is 👍 now if we could find a sense of humor we'd be set though you did a get an lol in there. Now that was picking on you. But anyways you are the one who obviously has not been listening. I have never told you or anybody to not have an opinion. All I have been saying is that there is this thread, that was being used to voice our opinions. So thank you for posting here

In all fairness, you preach about following the AUP, which many of us members in the marketplace follow religiously, yet you have blatant disregard for double posting and treating members with courtesy. Practice what you preach my good sir.

I completely understand your point in regards to keeping the threads on track, but I truly feel that you've completely missed all of ours, it being our comments and concerns are directly related to the thread, and should be allowed to be expressed openly. The fact that the is the only forum in which it's the only 'allowable' area by your standards is unfair. Many of the marketplace members never visit this section of the boards, and with just cause. I only even check it occasionally to refer back to the banned list when trouble is abound amongst members.
This thread should have been stickied in the marketplace forum where we could debate like adults and express our opinions for the actions brought forth to us. Instead, it was forced upon us, and the masses are upset. Understandably so.

Here we go guys.
Tried to stand up for something I thought was right, Unfortunately I have a little kid that I feel is harrasing me and I have come back with an answer that has upset the odd people.
I have tried to explain to kid what his problem was with me.
Still no answer.?

Well fair income. Keep your thread and your site thats what you get when you have opinion. Dam shame to try speak up for something you believe in.
Next post is to a Moderator to close my account and move on.
Take care bye for now. Its been fun chat soon am gone.

Chris, please done let one person's ignorance decide your fate here. You are a valued member of the marketplace, and an asset to GTP in general
Just keep voicing your opinion in a civilized, adult manner and someday someone will answer.

 

[latoslapise]

Here we go guys.
Tried to stand up for something I thought was right, Unfortunately I have a little kid that I feel is harrasing me and I have come back with an answer that has upset the odd people.
I have tried to explain to kid what his problem was with me.
Still no answer.?

Well fair income. Keep your thread and your site thats what you get when you have opinion. Dam shame to try speak up for something you believe in.
Next post is to a Moderator to close my account and move on.
Take care bye for now. Its been fun chat soon am gone.

No need to run away because you stood up for something you believed in. Like I've said countless times before I have nothing against you and even applauded you for contacting a Mod to get feedback. My only issue was that there was this thread all along and we really don't need 9 + pages on why we dislike the rep thread over there when this thread exist. The rep thread is to post positive feedback about trades. If I have hurt your feelings then I'm sorry.

 

[christara321]

Before I go I will say sorry for my remarks.
And edit the offending post accordingly.
Take care chat soon bye for now.

 

[ryanerb]

Ok, I have one more point to make before I am done here.

Again and again I have to agree with Chris! New members are on a handicap like I stated before AND also are the ones with only 1 PS3... I know there are many long time traders on here that deserve tons of points but again here is an EXAMPLE:

Sharky - 9 car trades a day (9 PS3s?), 45 paints a day (9 paints) and maybe 300 gears (calculating as 9 car trades - we can all do that though) etc... 1 day + 27, 1 month +810

Me (at best scenario) 1 car a day, 5 paints a day and we will say even 9 sets of gears to equal 9 trades same as Sharky.... 1 day +11, 1 month +330

So lets remove the gears and ONLY only do cars/paints for 30 days:
Sharky +540
Me +60

Him and I traded every day for a month... neither of us missed a trade... I am not as good of a trader as him? (sorry to keep using you as an example Sharky )

Then bring in a newcomer... they make 15 trades the second its agreed upon (no schedule or queue) and trade better than Sharky or I... Maybe even give more... Say they not only sent the car but 5 paints?

Sharky +540
Me +60
Newbee +15!?!

In that case Sharky and myself sent the cars as agreed upon with no freebees... Newbee sent freebees...

And lastly Chipotle comes along and sends me every helmet I am missing wanting NOTHING in return... is he +1 for each set or +1 for each helmet or does he get nothing for free giving!?!?!?

THAT is the complexity and the inherent issue with a points based reputation. We were saying before +1000 to chipotle because he gave us stuff for free in LARGE quantities when he didnt have to. THAT should mean something and make him a "very reputable" trader

** Sharky is an example and not necessarily accurate to my example given, same for my account ~ However Chipotle literally does this frequently to many members and isnt just an example for numerical sake but is a real life example asking what to do

 

[ajns73]

Perhaps but there is a debate thread already and a mod has clearly send to use this thread for "positive reps". I didn't see anywhere where he said voice your complaints there. I have absolutely no problem with people voicing their concerns just why in this thread? As people clearly know about the "debate" thread with them referring to it and it doesn't appear to be closed.

Let me answer this in a way less diplomatic way than either Hoodfield or Christara have so far, and hopefully in a way you can finally understand: "Yes, I will continue to crap in this thread until someone besides you or Blitz decides to acknowledge that there should have been and needs to be a discussion of this." You and Blitz are smoking the same stuff. You don't seem to get it. And honestly, the inane semantic arguments you guys come with are really getting under my skin. Not to mention that a half retarded monkey would have been able to grasp our argument by now.

I guess we all have to come up with arbitrary numbers to reestablish the long term traders reputations...

Good thing between all of us we know. Even if personally we haven't all traded as Chris stated by those traders that had positives with others that we trust. Trust by affiliation.

This is the real hilarity of it all. You think you, me, Hoodfield, or Christara need this thing? I've got a list of trusted trading partners that could keep me going indefinitely. I didn't get those from a scoring system started 2 days ago. I got it from searching the old thread. What is going to end up happening is that the old guard is going boycott this thread and the really stable trusted traders will be completely cut off from the new blood. Fine by me. I got what I need. Seems a little shortsighted for a "community" though, don't you think?

 

[latoslapise]

In all fairness, you preach about following the AUP, which many of us members in the marketplace follow religiously, yet you have blatant disregard for double posting and treating members with courtesy. Practice what you preach my good sir.

I completely understand your point in regards to keeping the threads on track, but I truly feel that you've completely missed all of ours, it being our comments and concerns are directly related to the thread, and should be allowed to be expressed openly. The fact that the is the only forum in which it's the only 'allowable' area by your standards is unfair. Many of the marketplace members never visit this section of the boards, and with just cause. I only even check it occasionally to refer back to the banned list when trouble is abound amongst members.
This thread should have been stickied in the marketplace forum where we could debate like adults and express our opinions for the actions brought forth to us. Instead, it was forced upon us, and the masses are upset. Understandably so.



Chris, please done let one person's ignorance decide your fate here. You are a valued member of the marketplace, and an asset to GTP in general
Just keep voicing your opinion in a civilized, adult manner and someday someone will answer.

disregard for courtesy? I have only replied to each person that has replied in the other thread. It just looks like I'm singling Chris out because he post a lot. and I'm not the one telling people to grow a pair or calling anybody murders. and I can not help if somebody gets all defensive and starts name calling. I've simply been stating to post here and I'm not the only one who had said that I believe another member also said to post here or make another thread. Even the Mod who had closed the previous thread also said to please use that thread for "positive rep". But yea I agree with you perhaps it would have been better placed in another section, but the thing is that it wasn't and the other thing it is not like people didn't know this thread existed. I mean they even posted a link to it in the other thread and talked about it.

Before I go I will say sorry for my remarks.
And edit the offending post accordingly.
Take care chat soon bye for now.

personally I really don't care that you made those remarks. I hold no ill will towards you. I just didn't see the sense of 9 + pages on irrelevant to the purpose of the thread. I'm not saying that your or anybody's opinion was irrelevant, it's just that wasn't the place for it. But yea I'm at fault too for continuing on the discussion in there rather than bringing it over her to where a thread about what was being expressed was made. So I'm sorry for running the thread off track, but most importantly I'm sorry if I had hurt your feelings. It was never my goal. I just got annoyed because it seemed like people where missing my point and making it out that I didn't care about there opinion

 

[Nicksfix]

The transformation from "old thread" to "new thread" is going to take some time. How much time, I cannot say. It will be a daunting task, a task of which I said I will make an attempt to do.The ultimate task of going through 442 pages and 8824 posts, all of which I can not say are "positive feedback posts". There is some BS in there that needs weeded put.

1.) Go through each page,make notes on the good reports.
2.) Compile all of the good names into an alpha-numeric sequence.
3.) Copy and paste all names with positive feedback into the new thread. (for now)

For now ? What does this mean ? Ultimately, the goal of this is to have every name listed with a positive feedback rating. Both in the new thread and including all the names from the previous thread. Then, to cap it off, I'm hoping to be able to compile all the names onto a spreadsheet and clear up all of the un-necessary additions to post in the OP.It would be just a matter of updating the spreadsheet. I'll be honest here, I'm not the best when it comes to Excel, Works, whatever. However, Blitz24 has made a post which may be quite helpful in doing this. This would be a great help indeed. It's up to Blitz24 if he wants to help out on this.

It's going to take some time guys ..... patience please. In the end we should see a Rep. Thread that will be spotless.

 

[Blitz24]

The method done would be either google docs (which would be an open file for editing but I don't use that program) or Excel (which I use but it would then be done off the site and have to be manually inputted back on).

 

[latoslapise]

alright thanks, oh is there a way for this thread to be moved to the GT5 market place. Some people say that they are not aware of this thread.

Thread was linked 3 or 4 times in the Marketplace to here. I think too many people would end up getting confused if it was moved.

oh because people we saying that they feel as though it should be in the GT5 Marketplace to make it easier accessible. also they state that new people are not aware of this page.

 

[Blitz24]

alright thanks, oh is there a way for this thread to be moved to the GT5 market place. Some people say that they are not aware of this thread.

Thread was linked 3 or 4 times in the Marketplace to here. I think too many people would end up getting confused if it was moved.

 

[ryanerb]

This is the real hilarity of it all. You think you, me, Hoodfield, or Christara need this thing? I've got a list of trusted trading partners that could keep me going indefinitely. I didn't get those from a scoring system started 2 days ago. I got it from searching the old thread. What is going to end up happening is that the old guard is going boycott this thread and the really stable trusted traders will be completely cut off from the new blood. Fine by me. I got what I need. Seems a little shortsighted for a "community" though, don't you think?

I myself have almost a full Friends list of trusted traders... I dont need this either... I am looking at this in every angle and not just one short sighted angle. I am a "it is what it is" type of guy and even with this. I have a voice though and wish to state my opinions regardless of the outcome as do you.

I myself think it throws the past out the window and that was my point with that, that was all...

Shortsighted is looking at this as an end all be all as you have, I dont care what becomes of this because I do what I need to do and anyone who has ever traded with me knows that... then on the flip side I dont see a ton of people jumping to see the reputation thread before trading (I sure never did).

Again, I just see issues with this like many on here and chose to speak up here because nobody ever asked me it was just decided on what to do and how...

I see no reason arguing when we all have our opinions.... There is NO NEED to attack others for their own opinions as you have through this thread. All we have been doing is pointing out potential flaws and you keep attacking as though we want to moderate or run this... We dont, we just want to find a way that will benefit (and penalize if need be) everyone on the Marketplace properly!

 

[ajns73]

I myself have almost a full Friends list of trusted traders... I dont need this either... I am looking at this in every angle and not just one short sighted angle. I am a "it is what it is" type of guy and even with this. I have a voice though and wish to state my opinions regardless of the outcome as do you.

Ok, we're good so far and seem to agree.

I myself think it throws the past out the window and that was my point with that, that was all...

Shortsighted is looking at this as an end all be all as you have, I dont care what becomes of this because I do what I need to do and anyone who has ever traded with me knows that... then on the flip side I dont see a ton of people jumping to see the reputation thread before trading (I sure never did).

First off, I don't see this as an end all be all of anything. I see it as an abomination that offends my delicate sensibilities. The issue isn't the thread itself or the OP (As I have stated before.), it is the fact that our initial requests for discussion were met with ridiculous retorts about a 6-post thread in the "Help Desk" section that was never linked back to the Marketplace. That's when I start getting irritated. If you're (generic "you" there not personal) going to quote that post and tell me it is proof that a discussion was had before a new thread was created and blessed, then you deserve to get both barrels between the eyes when I point out the ridiculousness of that statement.

Again, I just see issues with this like many on here and chose to speak up here because nobody ever asked me it was just decided on what to do and how...

OK, we're back to agreeing again.

I see no reason arguing when we all have our opinions.... There is NO NEED to attack others for their own opinions as you have through this thread. All we have been doing is pointing out potential flaws and you keep attacking as though we want to moderate or run this... We dont, we just want to find a way that will benefit (and penalize if need be) everyone on the Marketplace properly!

I haven't attacked one person for their opinions. I attacked two people who both seem to be purposely missing the point to get a rise out of myself, Christara, and Hoodfield. I believe the online term is "trolling." Now that this has been done fait acompli, our only recourse is to use this thread as a means of getting someone's attention. Frankly, I never thought it would gets this far before a mod stepped in, said, "Mea culpa," and put the topic up for discussion. But here we are.

For the record, regardless of what you feel about my tactics, I was not going after you. I was agreeing with you and amplifying what you were saying by noting that if we boycott, the community loses, not us. If we are forced to that position by the decisions that have already been made, then you can lay the responsibility for that at the feet of those that pull the strings.

 

[ryanerb]

Ok, we're good so far and seem to agree.



First off, I don't see this as an end all be all of anything. I see it as an abomination that offends my delicate sensibilities. The issue isn't the thread itself or the OP (As I have stated before.), it is the fact that our initial requests for discussion were met with ridiculous retorts about a 6-post thread in the "Help Desk" section that was never linked back to the Marketplace. That's when I start getting irritated. If you're (generic "you" there not personal) going to quote that post and tell me it is proof that a discussion was had before a new thread was created and blessed, then you deserve to get both barrels between the eyes when I point out the ridiculousness of that statement.



OK, we're back to agreeing again.



I haven't attacked one person for their opinions. I attacked two people who both seem to be purposely missing the point to get a rise out of myself, Christara, and Hoodfield. I believe the online term is "trolling." Now that this has been done fait acompli, our only recourse is to use this thread as a means of getting someone's attention. Frankly, I never thought it would gets this far before a mod stepped in, said, "Mea culpa," and put the topic up for discussion. But here we are.

For the record, regardless of what you feel about my tactics, I was not going after you. I was agreeing with you and amplifying what you were saying by noting that if we boycott, the community loses, not us. If we are forced to that position by the decisions that have already been made, then you can lay the responsibility for that at the feet of those that pull the strings.

Sorry I have misread previous intent on your behalf. I guess we are on the same page after that post.

That my friend is how forum debates should flow. In a civilized manner to break down and under stand each ones intent behind the post. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury to speak to one another and read body language so a part of the message is bound to get lost (unless we are all English majors).

I'm more irritated that there was no warning, debate or opinions... It just happened and didn't feel right so to speak.

 

[Blitz24]

Let me answer this in a way less diplomatic way than either Hoodfield or Christara have so far, and hopefully in a way you can finally understand: "Yes, I will continue to crap in this thread until someone besides you or Blitz decides to acknowledge that there should have been and needs to be a discussion of this." You and Blitz are smoking the same stuff. You don't seem to get it. And honestly, the inane semantic arguments you guys come with are really getting under my skin. Not to mention that a half retarded monkey would have been able to grasp our argument by now.




This is the real hilarity of it all. You think you, me, Hoodfield, or Christara need this thing? I've got a list of trusted trading partners that could keep me going indefinitely. I didn't get those from a scoring system started 2 days ago. I got it from searching the old thread. What is going to end up happening is that the old guard is going boycott this thread and the really stable trusted traders will be completely cut off from the new blood. Fine by me. I got what I need. Seems a little shortsighted for a "community" though, don't you think?

Yeah stop dragging me in and going and personally insulting other members for having differing opinions than you do. You don't like it? Fine don't like it. I had NO say in the matter, all I mentioned was that I would support the new thread by making an external file in order to keep it continuously updated. But go ahead, please, continue to make assumptions and assume all of us want to insult the "old guard".

 

[ajns73]

Yeah stop dragging me in and going and personally insulting other members for having differing opinions than you do. You don't like it? Fine don't like it. I had NO say in the matter, all I mentioned was that I would support the new thread by making an external file in order to keep it continuously updated. But go ahead, please, continue to make assumptions and assume all of us want to insult the "old guard".

This was you:

It was up for debate though.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=238959

Also you:

Surprisingly not a lot of people decide to go to OTHER sections of the forum but if you do go there you may be able to find out other information regarding the marketplace.

I didn't drag you in. Do you not realize that everything you type is recorded here? You put yourself in.

Now go back a few posts and read my exchange with ryanerb. You offered no opinion per se. You got whacked because you linked to a 6 post thread in a non-related area that was never linked back to the Marketpleace and suggested that there had been a discussion before this thread was started. Then when you got called on that particular piece of nonsense, you suggested that we should just be more like you and read every bloody post on the site. Failing that, the rest of us be damned. (And before you try to claim that the first post was sarcasm, make sure you carefully read your second. No way you post a justification of the first if it was sarcasm.)

I told you once not to get cute with me. After I spanked you last time, I thought you would have gotten the message. Clearly you enjoy this. To quote Matt Damon from Rounders: "You feeling satisfied now? 'Cause I can go on busting you up all night."

 

[HOODFIELD]

The transformation from "old thread" to "new thread" is going to take some time. How much time, I cannot say. It will be a daunting task, a task of which I said I will make an attempt to do.The ultimate task of going through 442 pages and 8824 posts, all of which I can not say are "positive feedback posts". There is some BS in there that needs weeded put.

1.) Go through each page,make notes on the good reports.
2.) Compile all of the good names into an alpha-numeric sequence.
3.) Copy and paste all names with positive feedback into the new thread. (for now)

For now ? What does this mean ? Ultimately, the goal of this is to have every name listed with a positive feedback rating. Both in the new thread and including all the names from the previous thread. Then, to cap it off, I'm hoping to be able to compile all the names onto a spreadsheet and clear up all of the un-necessary additions to post in the OP.It would be just a matter of updating the spreadsheet. I'll be honest here, I'm not the best when it comes to Excel, Works, whatever. However, Blitz24 has made a post which may be quite helpful in doing this. This would be a great help indeed. It's up to Blitz24 if he wants to help out on this.

It's going to take some time guys ..... patience please. In the end we should see a Rep. Thread that will be spotless.

What I don't understand is why you would take on such a task, and what would this prove?

Is there some sort of problem with members being scammed? I think the marketplace is perfectly fine the way it is and having an organized scoring system is a big waste of time and does nothing but create animosity between people.

If every rep point is positive and there are no negatives then what is the point of assigning someones name with a number next to it? Really what is the point of even having a rep thread if it's all positive? It's just a thread to write successful trade and something nice about the person. Why turn it into a competition?

I'd like to ask your opinion why the rep thread needs to be done this way? Especially after over a year of trading has passed with absolutely no problem. What exactly was flawed with the search bar method? In theory that thread could self-police itself to eternity.

How come your ignoring the points made about the old thread.

I joined this site because of the marketplace. I have probably 95% of my activity their. I'm the last person that needs this reputation thread, I already have enough friends to trade forever. Thats because of GT Planet and the Marketplace specifically. It's not so much that you want to change the thread, but you are not taking anyone else's opinions into consideration at all. Having trouble seeing why you have not responded to myself or any other member opposing what your doing? I feel like I should have input in this whether I'm right or wrong I want to be acknowledged?

I want to express my disapproval for using a numbering system to measure feedback. It is not a good direction for the marketplace to take IMO.
I know I am not alone in this opinion.

I really think before you waste your time going through that thread this topic be re-opened for debate among the community. If that is what is everybody wants then so be it. Put it to a vote and settle it. From what I've read in this thread it does't look like the notion to close the old thread was given much thought at all. Wouldn't you agree?

You could start by asking other members if they want their reputation to be based off a number? I for one don't.

 

[ajns73]

Sorry I have misread previous intent on your behalf. I guess we are on the same page after that post.

That my friend is how forum debates should flow. In a civilized manner to break down and under stand each ones intent behind the post. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury to speak to one another and read body language so a part of the message is bound to get lost (unless we are all English majors).

I'm more irritated that there was no warning, debate or opinions... It just happened and didn't feel right so to speak.

I figured I had put it badly. You definitely would have gotten the idea if we were talking, but as you put it so well, no voice inflection, posture, or visual cues on the net.

As for how it happened, I'll say this:

Nicksfix, in my mind, is blameless until I see something to prove otherwise. I think he had good intentions and I feel kind of badly that he got caught up in this. The mod that made the decision was a little quick on the trigger, but that is forgivable. What I can't fathom is how our pleas have fallen on deaf ears for 4 days. Not that I have been overly snarky, or purposely so, to draw attention, but I would have thought that the tone of the thread and the direction it has taken would have alerted someone to the situation.

Further attempts to twist my words, more silly referrals to that 6 post thread, or direct attacks on my character not withstanding, I am done with the topic, the posting, and the thread. My final recourse is just to boycott.

 

[ryanerb]

Thank you Sphinx for moving the dicussion and posting the discussion aspect of it in the Marketplace.

Also thank you Nicksflix for taking on this task. As mentioned earlier none of these comments are directed to you as you just wanted to help out the community.

Now with that said, I strongly feel we all need to have some sort of agreement on how we should handle the trading reputations. It's obvious that nobody will be happy with it but to come up with something better if we are going to work with this is what we want.

My issues:
Numerical values don't represent much
How do you handle donations?
How do we bring awareness to other bad trades?
Is there a way that we can handle a quick comment on the trade?
What happens when or if Nicksflix doesn't have time to run it anymore?
How do we give valid credit from the old thread?
If we do a numerical system is there a way to handicap us so those with multiple ps3 systems don't jump ahead of a single system owner when both may trade daily?
If we do a numerical system what is a +1... 5 paints for 5 paints +5 or +1 for example?

That covers my questions regarding the reputation thread for now.

I'm not trying to stir up trouble but I feel those questions are valid concerns many of us have. If nothing else we need a clear set of guidelines for posting or the new thread won't be very accurate and may become irrelevant.

 

[christara321]

I have had my say on the matter, With my opinions in both threads.
Don,t agree with how this came about but thats done now.
I wish you all the luck in the world Nicksfix with what the new thread looks like and how its run.?
Take care and chat soon bye for now.

 

[cphbullet]

To make this clear, im lazy and havent really read anyone else's comments properly but what i see when i look at this thread is a stickied flame thread, it annoys me to see there are now 2 stickied 'new reputation' threads when there was no need for a single new one.
To be honest i thought the old thread was misused, i mean so many people post 'X+1' when we all know that person is a good trader, posting all these +1's is unnecessary. (Sorry Outeke for using you as an example) but i know that Outeke is a great trader and that he completes trades on time etc as do many others, there is no need for 20 other people to tell me the same thing i already know! I respect Outeke more for all the free things he has given away and people he has helped, not the things everyone is expected to do (i know that last bit sounds bad but thats really what a trade is, its expected of everyone, yes credit is due for this but so far i only see it being used so people can gradually boost their posts whether its intentional or not).

The reputation thread should be used to point out exceptional deeds and to notify others of people who have not done what is asked of or required NOT repeatedly posting about others doing what is simply expected of them.

My opinion, if you don't like it lets agree to disagree.

 

[HOODFIELD]

My issues:
Numerical values don't represent much
Not only do they not represent much but they give people a false perception of one's character especially in a thread title "Reputation Thread" Why should our names be associated with a number? People will subconsionsly favor those with greater numbers, it's human nature?

How do you handle donations?
Besides this how do you handle any scoring system? How do you put a number on sending 1000 pieces of gear? In the old thread you could simply write this person donated this to me + whatever you felt they deserved. No format no rules no worrying about people not leaving feedback? Which is another issue, not everyone will leave feedback your system will never be accurate. How will you deal with those that choose to not follow the feedback rule? Surely those scores would mean ziltch unless everyone was leaving feedback which is never going to happen.

How do we bring awareness to other bad trades?
It's been clearly stated that mods have no interest getting involved with bad traders. So why would they have any interest in how our reputation thread is run? Someone keeps saying the mods want it this way? Where are the mods with their opinions? Who really said they want it this way? i read this thread as if a member wanted to change a policy but he didn't realize the impact it had on other people. The mods do what people ask them too, it's not such an unusual request to shut down a thread. From a glance the original thread looks unorganized, when in reality its the most accurate representation of all the trades that took place in the marketplace since the start. Why would anyone want to kill this thread? It just blows my mind. You handle bad trades the same way we have always handled them. If you see a know scammer you PM the person he is trying to deal with give him a warning to make sure the alleged scammer sends first simple. If you get scammed then you live and learn. That policy is basically already in place. If the mods are going to allow for bad traders to be listed to take action and shamed then I will support this new thread. Can someone explain the benifits of this scoring system from a moderators perspective, because i'm having trouble understanding how this helps the fourm. I honestly think the scammers are long gone and the people who are still left here are all honest trustworty people who care about the game/their collections or else they wouldn't still be here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

Is there a way that we can handle a quick comment on the trade? This is entirley too much work and too confusing. But if you just type the members name in the search bar like in the old thread you may read all the comments about them and also take note of the dates and how long frequent of a user they are, or how long they have been here, or whatever criteria that you personally feel should analyze before trading with someone is all there.

What happens when or if Nicksflix doesn't have time to run it anymore? Exactly the reason why a self-sufficient thread is needed. Feedback should last forever, and not have to depend on a thread being updated.
How do we give valid credit from the old thread? You can never accurately translate the old thread it's best to leave it as be and use the search function.
If we do a numerical system is there a way to handicap us so those with multiple ps3 systems don't jump ahead of a single system owner when both may trade daily? Sorry to pick on you but this is exactly the mentality that this type of thread brings on. This is wrong. If your concern is about a leaderboard then we should call this the GT Planet Trader Volume thread or something along that lines. Reputation is not a word to be taken lightly.

If we do a numerical system what is a +1... 5 paints for 5 paints +5 or +1 for example? This should all be discussed before a new policy is implimented. Not after!
That covers my questions regarding the reputation thread for now.

These are all valid questions that can all be answered from the old thread. ryerb I'm not directing my answers at you but just answering them as if they are general questions from anybody.

 

[ryanerb]

That's why I put those questions up hoodfield.

I agree with you 100%. You just added the depth that I wanted others to critically think about. 👍 even the point of the multiple ps3s. Volume does not make reputation. You read into it spot on!

And btw, I believe in the old thread.