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[Mac K]

You got him back? What? My opinion changes from sympathy to "I hope I'm not on the track near either one of you".

That might not solve the problem, but people think they can get away with whatever they want and there won't be any sort of consequences because they know they can just protest someone for retaliation.. double edged sword.. and it's flawed.

@Kevin: One thing I noticed on iRacing is people are afraid to admit when they were in the wrong..

 

[SKIDMARX]

...and he tries to justify his actions lol

If you can, get an onboard from his perspective and also from yours....

 

[Maxitsu]

I think both drivers are at fault here.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Uhm, no, it was clearly the guy's fault in the red Mustang. He cut the corner, you shouldn't drive over the pitlane exit there, that's why there are pylons. You cannot anticipate such a move at all when in front.

 

[spooble]

He did have more speed than you, but that doesn't take away your right as the leading driver to choose your own line. I know it's only a slight kink there, but at the point you turn left for the "apex", he had a bumper worth of overlap at best, and therefore he had no rights to the inside line.

That's my opinion, anyway.

 

[Mac K]

Uhm, no, it was clearly the guy's fault in the red Mustang. He cut the corner, you shouldn't drive over the pitlane exit there, that's why there are pylons. You cannot anticipate such a move at all when in front.

Thank you, I think some people are overlooking the obvious.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I wouldn't even think of overtaking there anyway, you have to take the inside line, or you go off on the right side thanks to the momentum (unless you are really slow). Every race control would punish the other guy, harsh, for such a move.

 

[fatkrakr]

The guy clearly thought there was a hole to make the pass. Then he realised that there wasnt and went to pit lane to avoid contact. All good, but when he went on pit lane he also should of backed off. Instead he stayed in the throttle and tried to force his way back on track, thats where the fault became his and his alone.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Every race control would punish the other guy, harsh, for such a move.

You really think so? I've had to speak to Race Control in a few different countries so, I'll give my insight on how they would go about this incident.
Every race control would look at how the situation began. And where the situation began was the gap that was opened. The gap opened. The guy took the inside line. Had his car on the inside. You should have realized this and given him enough room to have a go. Instead, you unententially* squeezed him to the apron. In my opinion, up to this point, it is all your fault. He then decided to stay on the side of you, in the apron, and it resulted in a crash. And now hearing that you retaliated against him, here are the "charges" that would take place.

Kevin would get a fine and a ban for his retaliation. That is the only charge.

Had you not retaliated. These would have been the charges had their been any. It's still a racing incident if you ask me.

- Kevin would be given a drive through for "Impeding an attempt to pass" and for "forcing another driver off of the track."
- The other guy would get a penalty for "Unavoidable contact"

 

[G.T.Ace]

You're forgetting that he's cutting the corner. There was no open gap, because it was beside the track. It's like running straight through a turn...

 

[Mac K]

Those pylons are there for a reason..

 

[Kamuifanboy]

You're forgetting that he's cutting the corner. There was no open gap, because it was beside the track. It's like running straight through a turn...

Open gap.

 

[Mac K]

You race for real Kamu, would you attempt a pass like that?

 

[Kamuifanboy]

You race for real Kamu, would you attempt a pass like that?

Given Kevin was driving the car in front in the same exact mannor. Yeah, I would have put my nose in there when the gap opened up. But, when Kevin moved over on me and put me into the pit entrance lane. I would have probably let off the throttle. But, had it been a real life racing driver in Kevin's car. The other driver would have realized that I had made the move to the inside and would have given room.

 

[Kevin01SH]

Given Kevin was driving the car in front in the same exact mannor. Yeah, I would have put my nose in there when the gap opened up. But, when Kevin moved over on me and put me into the pit entrance lane. I would have probably let off the throttle. But, had it been a real life racing driver in Kevin's car. The other driver would have realized that I had made the move to the inside and would have given room.

I see where you're coming from, but i never moved him over. I didnt cut down on him, i was driving my line. He chose to drive into the pit lane and gave complete disregard of my position on the track when he decided to come out of it. This spot was for the lead as well, so i imagine he did not want to give it up so easily. If it were me i might have stuck my nose in there too, but once i realized there was no where to go i would have backed off. There were a good 12-15 laps left to make another move.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I still disagree with you Kamui, completely.

 

[Adam41]

But, when Kevin moved over on me and put me into the pit entrance lane. I would have probably let off the throttle.

You're assuming that the next thing coming up on the track wasn't a kink. He was driving the inside line. It would be unreasonable to expect a driver to defend his line by staying exactly parallel to the pylons through them 2 kinks.

 

[SKIDMARX]

Either way I look at it I still think the other guy should have backed off before he even thought about going to the pit lane. What if he hit somebody exiting the pit lane? Would he then blame that guy for being in the way?

 

[Maxitsu]

Even though he try to avoid contact. He returned to track on a unsafe way plus when i was in his position I should used my brakes to avoid. He just keeps the throttle down.

 

[Mac K]

Hasn't been my week this week, went from 3.40 SR to 1.52 SR all over the course of 25 hours.. my irating has taken a huge hit as well and I keep either making stupid mistakes or getting taken out.. it's actually depressing.

 

[Captain Roh]

You're assuming that the next thing coming up on the track wasn't a kink. He was driving the inside line. It would be unreasonable to expect a driver to defend his line by staying exactly parallel to the pylons through them 2 kinks.

Exactly, Kevin was driving a defensive line. And he is as entitled to do that, just as someone is to go for that gap.

However anyone trying to squeeze through there should of at least expected Kevin to stay left. The passing car looks to have made no attempt to hold a tight inside line, instead he expected Kevin to drift out wide to the regular braking zone.

It's always the responsibility of the passing car to make the move cleanly. Kevin didn't move erratically and there were no provisions made in throttle or line by the other guy. He didn't even make it alongside.

I don't know the general etiquette on iRacing but, though far from being a dive bomb, it seems some comments on this matter suggest Kevin should of simply gave up his position dangerous pass or not.

I have amended my line or speed to avoid being hit by a car from behind many times, though in this instance I wouldn't even have considered it might happen. Though I race with people I can trust, and it seems this guy already has a reputation.

 

[VINCE__]

Hasn't been my week this week, went from 3.40 SR to 1.52 SR all over the course of 25 hours.. my irating has taken a huge hit as well and I keep either making stupid mistakes or getting taken out.. it's actually depressing.

Keep your chin up. You'll get it back. Trust me.

 

[Wilbur]

I finally figured out issue I was having with FPS and my blinking. My modem is on the way out, so plan to switch it out Monday morning at Time Warner.

 

[ErikAndre71]

Good for you Wilbur 👍

I actually have been experiencing some ping increase since august, and now they changed some settings in my fiber converter box and my green ping is back. They also turned my speed up, so now I have the ridicules 100/100mbit connection

 

[Kevin01SH]

Hasn't been my week this week, went from 3.40 SR to 1.52 SR all over the course of 25 hours.. my irating has taken a huge hit as well and I keep either making stupid mistakes or getting taken out.. it's actually depressing.

OUCH Mac, for real? What series are you running that gives you that big of a drop?

And as for my protest on that guy who hit me, the stewards reviewed it and said it was a racing incident and that i should be more aware of cars around me and give more room. BS i say, but oh well. Ill just have to beat him straight up the next time i see him.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Lame, seriously. Interesting to know that cutting through the pit exit is allowed...

 

[Kevin01SH]

Lame, seriously. Interesting to know that cutting through the pit exit is allowed...

A similar situation happened in real life in the ALMS 09' season. Fast forward to 5:24 and watch the Corvette pass the Porsche in the pit lane, but have to give the position back.

 

[ErikAndre71]

yawn about your case.. You did report it right, let it work out, 3 pages with your crash, I just had one myself.. no need to spam

 

[Hydro]

How's this for a ridiculous conversation (Cadillac @ Laguna Quali session - he was typing - translated from text speak - , I'm mic'd):
Other driver: 'Where do I find good setups for this car?'
Me: 'I don't know if there are any. This is a fixed series - I'm pretty sure all rookie series are fixed setups. Even if you do find one you can't use it here. You can start with the Cadillac series forum or racesetups.com though.'

Od: ??? So almost everyone here is at least 15 seconds faster than me. I don't believe that.
Me: It just comes down to practice. you should try a practice or test session first so you don't destroy your SR. This car and track aren't that easy to just jump into.

Od: I play GT5 and Forza all the time so I'm a good driver. This car is almost undrivable without a setup that works.
Me: But it's a fixed series. Everyone here is using the same setup. Everyone.

Od: Ya right. how are you not spinning every lap? It's impossible.
Me: Practice. start slower and run full clean laps then start going faster each lap.

Od: whatever. anyone else???
Me: well, try this then. go to the garage and lower the tire pressure all the way down in the front tires. that will give you more grip.

Od: how? where do you adjust it?
Me: You don't, that's my point. You can't tune these cars for these races.

Od: Thanks for nothing 🤬 - hole. Anyone else have helpful tuning tips?

and

 

[Kevin01SH]

^^^ lol, "i was good on GT5 and Forza"