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[Mac K]

Delete. Double post.

 

[Jav]

Hmm... I'll take a look at his race setup. Thanks.

What I was trying to get across though is that I used exactly the same setup in practice and the race with the exact amount of fuel etc but it felt much more snappy in the race session. It may have been a fault in the game as I had only just turned it on and configured my wheel.

It happens, you may feel comfortable with a set one moment and come raceday feel like a total mess! It's happened to me before, I've developed a setup during practice and it feels good and fast but when the green drops it all falls apart! Guess preasure can do that to you.
The thing with making your own setups is that unless you know what you're doing it all can go bad real fast! A less than perfect set can feel good one moment but as soon as something changes in your driving or even your mindset it can all go wrong if you didn't build a good margin for error in the setup.
I tend to stay away from making setups for the more complex cars, so many adjustments that can completely alter the car's behaviour without you even noticing till it's too late! The further I'd go with setups is the Cadillac and maybe the Star Mazda, anything else I'll either use the Fixed or download from the forums, plenty of great setups out there!

Had a great race in the Solstice today, managed a 3rd place. Would have maybe grabbed 2nd but an MX-5 broke up our battle. I say to the guy I raced that it was a great race, and it was just a shame that MX-5 broke the battle up, but that happens, the guy that was driving the MX-5 then calls me an idiot and I get told to shut up.. I wasn't trying to be an ass, but he took it that way I guess.

Some people just have no clue! I hate it when some moron in a faster car who's racing no one insists on getting involved with cars fighting for possition in a different class!

 

[Maxitsu]

I am gonna quit the Star Mazda. I like the car but people can't drive there. Its a noob fest.

 

[Eric.]

Hmm... I'll take a look at his race setup. Thanks.

What I was trying to get across though is that I used exactly the same setup in practice and the race with the exact amount of fuel etc but it felt much more snappy in the race session. It may have been a fault in the game as I had only just turned it on and configured my wheel.

For what its worth, I liked Isto's Barber setup the best and its what I ended up racing with. Haven't used any others, but they're all here.

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/2268511.page

 

[Mac K]

I am gonna quit the Star Mazda. I like the car but people can't drive there. Its a noob fest.

Really? I heard the competition was pretty good from a few people..

 

[Eric.]

Well, seeing that Maxitsu jumps from series to series to series to series with no practice, he was probably in a bottom split.

 

[Jav]

I am gonna quit the Star Mazda. I like the car but people can't drive there. Its a noob fest.

What!! Seriously? My experience with star Mazda has always been clean and pretty good racing! Only had 1 bad experience out of a lot of racing!

 

[Maxitsu]

Well, seeing that Maxitsu jumps from series to series to series to series with no practice, he was probably in a bottom split.

uh yeah....but i always am in the higher split.

I see myself as a midfield driver in that league. my first races at brands hatch I was driving in the pack, lack of tracktime made me driving at the back. After getting used to it and be "midfielder" i was ending races whit 16 and 19 Inc. head to head racing is not possible there. I usually have no more than 5 inc after being out of rookie. Then split races, against those 'high classed" i am the slowest. But i managed to end 5th & 6th a few times. only becaus other people don't make in to the end.


But last 2 weeks i lost my rabbit foot or something.
Today 4 hits at laguna seca (one was my fault though) but still head-to-head racing is not possible in StarMazda, even if i give room for other cars to pass, Some more races at Starmazda previous week i got 19 incident points, at my grand AM's third race i was doing decent when suddenly i couldn't control my car anymore, i end up whit 22 inc.
At Iracingnews challenge at (highrated) races i lost my 2nd place becaus paddles dind't work properly, todays highpoint race i started 3th and i made a jumpstart(never happent before) next race i got taken out. Etc,...

Apart from the Grand AM i don't blame the lack of practise. Just some bad luck i guess.


From now on i go back to my slow and clean driving. Good results will come again.

 

[noshog]

I am gonna quit the Star Mazda. I like the car but people can't drive there. Its a noob fest.

I haven't had any problems, found everyone to be very careful. And had everyone apolgise for any incidents caused .
Not too sure if I should be offended by your comment, I can handle the car and everyone I've come up against has been the same.

 

[ErikAndre71]

Just to remind everyone that Maxitsu is on CET timezone. I haven't raced in a Star Mazda race and those I checked by watching people race I always found a pileup of crashing cars. Maybe the guys racing in what we in Europe call prime time isn't as clean as in other time zones. I'm just saying though!

Also they race on on Laguna witch is a track everyone gets for free, might be a bit more people online wrecking around.

And if you raced Maxitsu so he could call you a newbie, then you should have gone to bed a long time ago Noshog so I doubt he meant you.


But Eric do have a point Maxitsu, you been on the service long enough to find a series you want to stick with, and learn it more than bounce from series to series. That way you could actually learn the car and start adjusting settings and become a better driver. ( I don't say you suck, but everyone can become better)

I entered a practice session in Grand Am a couple of days ago and it was full of newbies (or should I say not so experienced people and hope I don't offend anyone) and I was involved in crashes 4-5 times before I could finish my first counting lap. I went into race mode, filled my car up with fuel and went out there to practice avoiding cars. And after that I wasn't involved with any car destroying accidents, even though I drove under a car flying over me and a lot of crashes happened around me and I still manage to put in decent laptimes. The flying car must have been a nice view in the rear view mirror from Jav who was in front of me at that time. (The car rubbed my roof and the contact 0 turned into 4 when he wrecked his car into the barriers upside down)

 

[noshog]

Erik, If Maxitsu had a couple of bad races fair enough, have a moan on the 'Your Latest Race' thread, but he called out an entire series, a series that has a lot of very good drivers.

 

[ErikAndre71]

So... Are your series a holy ground? Its a forum and people in here have been saying things I feel is out of this world.. They posted videos where they crash and I think they seem to drive with their eyes closed. And of course blaming the other guy.

But it's a forum and everyone have the right to say what they want if they aren't attacking anyone personally. And he said his done with a series. Is that to bad.. really?

And haven't you experienced the newbie fest going on this week? Like I said earlier, I seen people threat their Riley as airplanes this week. Haven't seen anything like it since I was in Rookie. So maybe Maxitsu did over do his statement and did it to early witch I totally agree on, but I got surprised American guys witch need to stop going to work/school to be able to race at the time Maxitsu is racing state things they obviously assume and your from down under witch need to race about 05:00 or so to meet Maxitsu of course also know whats going on when the European guys drive.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Well, seeing that Maxitsu jumps from series to series to series to series with no practice, he was probably in a bottom split.

Just because he jumps from series to series with little to no practice doesn't mean that he is bad. I do that and still hold a 2800 IRating along with a A 4.3 licence.

 

[Nastradamus87]

The point about splits may be a good one. Although, without knowing his iRating it's pure speculation.

Top split during peak time for pretty much all road series have excellent drivers. (I have no experience with oval.) If you're driving when there are only one or two splits then whether the field will be good drivers or not is up to chance.

 

[swiftwilly]

I'll throw my 2 cents into the ring here...

Why is it the drivers fault to get hit simply because he isn't in a higher SOF? Isn't this a reflection of how poor iRacing's SR system is and its not stamping out poor driving? No one is born with a high SOF and some people aren't good enough (like me) to race in a higher SOF.

The argument seems like a total non logical catch 22 - your getting a lot of crashes because your in a lower SOF? If this is true, its impossible to get to a higher SOF because you will keep crashing in the lower SOF - everyone starts off at a lower SOF anyway!

I think Maxitsu was just unlucky. I AM THE WORST CULPRIT here. I am sure EVERYONE knows how much I rage at iRacing and crashes from other drivers. But from all the series I have done and low or high SOF's I have raced, its just everywhere theres poor drivers in every race regardless. Just simply have to look at the results page and (I haven't done a proper check) I see most of the time half the field disconnected.

I personally believe this isn't the drivers fault. I have always argued that iRacing's SR system being flawed and neglected. It seems every part but the SR system gets a review every season. More work needs to be done in this area and stamp out aggresive-unrealistic driving.

I am sure theres better ideas than this, but what about say if you do 10inc in one race, your banned from the next race? Theres heaps of solutions I am sure, but theres no doubt due to the low penalty and that you don't get injured from crashes etc people are simply more aggressive.

I know I suck and I can't get to a higher SOF but why should I suffer as a result?


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A smarter individual than I was discussing this issue and he raised a VERY good point why Max might be experiencing the issues he is.
1. Laguna is a free track
2. Laguna is a difficult track
This does ring a bell because I remember the Skip Barber at Lime Rock would bring the worst drivers out.

 

[Nastradamus87]

I'll throw my 2 cents into the ring here...

The argument seems like a total non logical catch 22 - your getting a lot of crashes because your in a lower SOF? If this is true, its impossible to get to a higher SOF because you will keep crashing in the lower SOF - everyone starts off at a lower SOF anyway!

Let's assume that you are MORE likely to be crashed into in a low SOF race compared to a high SOF race. If this assumption is true, it does not lead to the conclusion that it is impossible to change from racing in lower slits to higher splits. All that is required to make it into higher splits is to increase your iRating. It is entirely possible that you will have a good result (a gain in iRating) more often than a negative result (a loss of iRating), thus leading to a net gain in iRating over time. I think this is in fact the experience most people have when first starting to play iRacing.

I think Maxitsu was just unlucky. I AM THE WORST CULPRIT here. I am sure EVERYONE knows how much I rage at iRacing and crashes from other drivers. But from all the series I have done and low or high SOF's I have raced, its just everywhere theres poor drivers in every race regardless. Just simply have to look at the results page and (I haven't done a proper check) I see most of the time half the field disconnected.

I don't agree that this is true. The top split in the skip during peak time (which has five splits or more per race for a few hours) is filled almostexclusively with fast, clean, respectful drivers with excellent racecraft. Other people will tell you the same for different series (like the star mazda).

Of course, there is occasionally an idiot driver who crashes into you then blames you for an incident that was clearly there fault, but this is rare compared to the lower splits.

I personally believe this isn't the drivers fault. I have always argued that iRacing's SR system being flawed and neglected. It seems every part but the SR system gets a review every season. More work needs to be done in this area and stamp out aggresive-unrealistic driving.

I am sure theres better ideas than this, but what about say if you do 10inc in one race, your banned from the next race? Theres heaps of solutions I am sure, but theres no doubt due to the low penalty and that you don't get injured from crashes etc people are simply more aggressive.

You're right. There surely is room for improvement.

I know I suck and I can't get to a higher SOF but why should I suffer as a result?


edit//

A smarter individual than I was discussing this issue and he raised a VERY good point why Max might be experiencing the issues he is.
1. Laguna is a free track
2. Laguna is a difficult track
This does ring a bell because I remember the Skip Barber at Lime Rock would bring the worst drivers out.

Good points. Laguna is tough and the base content tracks always brings out the loonies.

 

[Patrocles]

I am gonna quit the Star Mazda. I like the car but people can't drive there. Its a noob fest.

What is your iRacing name?

 

[ErikAndre71]

Everyone seem to address the importance of being in a higher SOF race, but I find this as a weak way of trying to say it will become better.

First of all in higher SOF I experienced a lot of people are racing for the championship leader board and it's more important to get good points than to be gentleman on the racetrack. I personally find this perfect, because when you race on the higher level it should be a risky sport. Just look at last Formula 1 race. Lot's of guys "disconnected" there!
But to say it's more safe in a higher SOF is in my opinion not necessarily true.

And now people have 4 tries to get a good championship points every week. Good thing for activity maybe, but it looks to me like it have become more like tennis. When you serve in tennis you have two tries to make the serve perfect. On top level the first attempt is a try to make the serve goes super fast and score points straight off. And at least 50% of these tries are too ambitious and the ball end up in the net or off the court. And the second try is more of a safe serve.
Now when we look to iRacing I see this happen also, first or even the first 2 tries can be too ambitious to try get a higher score than some people normally would achieve, if they are lucky.. WOW nice, if not they can try again in a more safe matter.

And when it comes to a higher iRating so you can enter the higher SOF races I see people drive races like crazy to "fast track" to higher iRating and if it work they might be in a SOF they aren't ready to handle. I say the best way to high iRating is individual as some people have more of a talent and others need way more practice to get there. If they ever get there.

And honestly I see every post including the words you need higher iRating or you have to race in a higher SOF race as ignorant.

And why stress about getting there, most likely your iRating is about your pace and it's there to put you in a field with similar pace to create more evenly match races.

I know you win awards for every 1000 iRating point's but those awards isn't the same as trophies on PSN. Some people see it as a game and that's their decision, but the awards isn't there to be collected like in a more "game friendly" game.

In the end most of us do way better in iRacing, even if we have a low iRating score or can't seem to get a licence, than we would have done in the real world of racing. We lose our precious SR or IR, in the real world you lose money if the same thing happens. I think the system works just fine and if your involved with a accident you didn't create.. If it happened in the real world you might not race in a month or two because the price to fix your car is too high. In the sim you lost a bit of your rating points and can maybe get them back with a race tomorrow.

 

[Kevin01SH]

 

[Maxitsu]

True Eric & Erik, i bounce from serie to serie. Right now i am still experiment whit diffrent leagues, but most of all i just like to race whenever i feel the need to do so,wherever that is. Becaus the lack of practise i know i could be to slow to have a good finish, but i have no problem whit that if i do clean races(no car contacts). If I practise or/and feel comfy whit car and track i will drive more agressive to try a overtake and i will defend my place if i need to do. Whenever I feel i am not fast enough or don't feel comfy whit the car/track. I will make sure i don't ignore blue flags and not push my car to the limit. if there are people behind me and are faster i let them just go.


I find Star Mazda not a clean championship. based on only 9 raced. I don't wan't to blame anyone here! It is just my opinion from what i have seen.
I am sure there are alot of clean drivers there but i have seen alot of wrecks also. When i had side by side action i end up whit alot of incidents. You could say maybe its me becaus i am also a noob if it comes to Star mazda. But when i had decent races (whitout carcontact) I end my races in 5th and 6th position becaus only 5 drivers out of 16(average) is finishing the race. All others retire becaus of contact.(also in the highest splits) Then its not me.

Maybe there are more wrecks in my timezone maybe not, but if you have clean races there and enjoying it, Keep on driving. 👍

 

[noshog]

My theory for different SOF races and splits is, the higher splits you are more likely to race against guys who are more consistent (hit their marks everytime) but when guys are evenly matched like that it makes it difficult to overtake and can lead to just as many incidents as guys get impatient trying to overtake.
And I reckon it's kind of the opposite in the lower splits, the guys your up against may not be so consistent, eg. 1 lap brake at the 100mt mark and the next lap at the 80mt mark, obviously this is going to lead to a few incidents as well. Moral of my story is it's more about drivers consistency than iR and SR.
There are likely to be aliens and a--holes in every series in every time zone. We are all going to have times when we smash into people, and then get smashed into ourselves. It's how we deal with it that kind of defines us.

 

[Jav]

Hey guys! Not huge news, but if you're awaiting the car they're pretty good news... The Ruf has already been scanned!!
http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/1524566.page

 

[left888]

I entered a practice session in Grand Am a couple of days ago and it was full of newbies (or should I say not so experienced people and hope I don't offend anyone) and I was involved in crashes 4-5 times before I could finish my first counting lap. I went into race mode, filled my car up with fuel and went out there to practice avoiding cars. And after that I wasn't involved with any car destroying accidents, even though I drove under a car flying over me and a lot of crashes happened around me and I still manage to put in decent laptimes. The flying car must have been a nice view in the rear view mirror from Jav who was in front of me at that time. (The car rubbed my roof and the contact 0 turned into 4 when he wrecked his car into the barriers upside down)

I have slipped further, from division 7 to 8. Although I am getting faster in the DP, I still need to get my incidences down. Speaking of newbie or inexperienced DP racers, after the practice the other day I qualified in 5th place at Watkins, during the warmup lap some asshole hit me at the bus stop at about 100 MPH, drilled me into next Thursday, this is during the warmup.

I asked who hit me and one guy said it was a blue and white DP. I took 4xx for that hit, race started and I managed to get to 4th place and then on the last corner here comes mr blue & white in the wrong direction. I avoided him but hit the wall, then the next 2 cars hit me. In pit road I asked mr blue & white why he hit me at 100 MPH in warm up and would not admit to it, dumbass says to me, awe sorry mate, didn't know you were talking to me.

This was one race I had to get out of, The guy who won the race is a C license that very few people in iRacing can beat, other then that I think I could have been a top 5. I am so tired of getting taking out of so many races by inexperienced racers, I had a 25 minute repair.

 

[livemusic]

I don't have many incident problems in most races. It's usually just offtracks or spins. Yesterday I did a Skippy race at Brands and I was caught in an accident on the second lap though. I came out slow from T5 and the guy behind me tried to overtake me on T6. I was keeping the outer line just fine but he went too fast and started loosing his rear, coming in front of me. Couldn't avoid it, we both spun and caught a third car in the process.

Luckily the Skip has a free repair or my race would be over right there. But I only managed to grab 10th place, after having started in 2nd. Overall it was a good race though, got to do some more.

I also tend to jump series every season, don't see a problem with that. But I try to focus on just one series and do another one to get more credits. This season I'm focusing on the Skippy and I'm also racing the Lotus 79 for credits. But I do a good amount of practice before going to the races.

 

[Mac K]

I have slipped further, from division 7 to 8. Although I am getting faster in the DP, I still need to get my incidences down. Speaking of newbie or inexperienced DP racers, after the practice the other day I qualified in 5th place at Watkins, during the warmup lap some asshole hit me at the bus stop at about 100 MPH, drilled me into next Thursday, this is during the warmup.

I asked who hit me and one guy said it was a blue and white DP. I took 4xx for that hit, race started and I managed to get to 4th place and then on the last corner here comes mr blue & white in the wrong direction. I avoided him but hit the wall, then the next 2 cars hit me. In pit road I asked mr blue & white why he hit me at 100 MPH in warm up and would not admit to it, dumbass says to me, awe sorry mate, didn't know you were talking to me.

This was one race I had to get out of, The guy who won the race is a C license that very few people in iRacing can beat, other then that I think I could have been a top 5. I am so tired of getting taking out of so many races by inexperienced racers, I had a 25 minute repair.

I wouldn't call what you described inexperienced, just stupidity.

 

[Patrocles]

True Eric & Erik, i bounce from serie to serie. Right now i am still experiment whit diffrent leagues, but most of all i just like to race whenever i feel the need to do so,wherever that is. Becaus the lack of practise i know i could be to slow to have a good finish, but i have no problem whit that if i do clean races(no car contacts). If I practise or/and feel comfy whit car and track i will drive more agressive to try a overtake and i will defend my place if i need to do. Whenever I feel i am not fast enough or don't feel comfy whit the car/track. I will make sure i don't ignore blue flags and not push my car to the limit. if there are people behind me and are faster i let them just go.


I find Star Mazda not a clean championship. based on only 9 raced. I don't wan't to blame anyone here! It is just my opinion from what i have seen.
I am sure there are alot of clean drivers there but i have seen alot of wrecks also. When i had side by side action i end up whit alot of incidents. You could say maybe its me becaus i am also a noob if it comes to Star mazda. But when i had decent races (whitout carcontact) I end my races in 5th and 6th position becaus only 5 drivers out of 16(average) is finishing the race. All others retire becaus of contact.(also in the highest splits) Then its not me.

Maybe there are more wrecks in my timezone maybe not, but if you have clean races there and enjoying it, Keep on driving. 👍

Hi,
What is your iRacing name?

 

[SKIDMARX]

I think that there will always be races where there will be stupid moves, they even pop up every now and then in professional races in simulators and real life. Not everyone can predict the outcome of their move, atleast if they try it and it doesn't work they'll know not to try it again.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

I think that there will always be races where there will be stupid moves, they even pop up every now and then in professional races in simulators and real life. Not everyone can predict the outcome of their move, atleast if they try it and it doesn't work they'll know not to try it again.

Exactly. It tells you truly how difficult it is to do some of the things that the professionals do. The slightest miss calculation or improper driving technique can make things go sour real fast.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Damn Turn 6 @ Laguna... Why you flip my Jetta?

 

[Matty]

Ahh, you tried to take too much of the turn. The amount of cars I've done that in