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[ITCC_Andrew]

I won't be able to race two of the series anyway since I'm still a C class driver. I used to run Mustang, Nvidia Cup, Skip Barber, Street Stock and Legends in the same week before so yeah.. It takes me 20 or so minutes to learn the track once I have a decent understanding of the car. With a few exceptions, like Mid-Ohio for example. It will be cheaper then buying in 6's due to surplus. Should cost me about $160/€120 and as a teenager (16) I don't often run into money.

Mid-Ohio's not as bad as VIR. I love it, and it will be the most fun possible once I get my Aussie V8, but... it's hard to learn. I can't wait to do Grand West Course layout in an Aussie V8...


Thing is, though, how in the world would you run VIR weekends? I could see jumping into a Watkins Glen race without much practice, but... VIR? Seems difficult.

 

[Kevin01SH]

and it will be the most fun possible once I get my Aussie V8, but... it's hard to learn.

You think the MX5 is difficult, but you want to drive the Supercar?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You think the MX5 is difficult, but you want to drive the Supercar?

Yes. The MX-5 is difficult because it's indecisive. The problem is I can't assume that I'll get understeer or oversteer. The V8's pretty consistent: when you touch the throttle, you're oversteering.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

Yes. The MX-5 is difficult because it's indecisive. The problem is I can't assume that I'll get understeer or oversteer. The V8's pretty consistent: when you touch the throttle, you're oversteering.

How do you get oversteer from an underpowered car? The only time I have gotten over steer is when I go too deep and get back on (or bumped). In no way shape or form is the miata hard to drive fast, it is only hard to drive (like any car) really fast. The miata is fun and challenging and a fairly level playing field for everyone.

Now the Jetta is slow, bad brakes, and more tail happy then a miata and the damn thing is fwd.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Now the Jetta is slow, bad brakes, and more tail happy then a miata and the damn thing is fwd.

I can stop a Jetta better than most MX-5s, and almost never get sideways (unless I want/have to) Mainly because I'm avoiding MX-5s.

Another thing, how is it a fairly level playing field? Fairly level playing field, I'd say, is something that's so incredibly easy to drive that it comes down to racing line and usage of grip...

Like, for example, a Jetta.

Or, something that's so incredibly easy (like Street Stock at Daytona) to drive flat-out that you won't even have a difference in lap time, really.

 

[Matty]

Mid-Ohio's not as bad as VIR. I love it, and it will be the most fun possible once I get my Aussie V8, but... it's hard to learn. I can't wait to do Grand West Course layout in an Aussie V8...


Thing is, though, how in the world would you run VIR weekends? I could see jumping into a Watkins Glen race without much practice, but... VIR? Seems difficult.

I don't have VIR yet...

I'll post a list of what I am getting later as it'll maybe be a few days yet.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I don't have VIR yet...

I'll post a list of what I am getting later as it'll maybe be a few days yet.

Oh, wow. VIR's great fun. I say, again, I really like it in the Mustang, and can't wait to try it (in a practice session) in the V8.


But, I just tried in the Mazda.

Result: Same most fun corner in Star Mazda, and Mustang = spun and hit wall in MX-5. It snaps out at high speed chicanes! How do you NOT notice its huge tendency to create snap oversteer in high-speed chicanes? Go try it at Watkins Glen boot, or VIR, or Sonoma, and try to go through the Bus-stop Chicane at Watkins Glen or the Esses at VIR or Sonoma... You'll quickly see what I mean.

Snap oversteer; I hate it, passionately. I don't do oversteer. I like neutral steer as much as anyone else, but, understeer is safer and faster.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

You seem to be the only one that can not drive a miata.. I am in no way the fastest, but I can drive it fast and push it through turns. I have no idea how you have snappy oversteer.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You seem to be the only one that can not drive a miata.. I am in no way the fastest, but I can drive it fast and push it through turns. I have no idea how you have snappy oversteer.

Try VIR Esses flat-out. Try it, before you say that you don't have any idea how I have snappy oversteer.


The MX-5 just wants to snap loose above a certain speed. Why do you think nvidia cup only goes to the Okayama Short and Lime Rock? And, even Lime Rock's sorta difficult because of the corner with the hill. Point is, you're trying to say it's easy to drive, and it's not. The Jetta's easier to drive. Yes, it still is hard to drive, but, everything's hard to drive fast. The MX-5, though, that's just stupidly hard. If I can take the Mustang (on street tires!!) through a corner flat-out, and the MX-5 can't do that corner (at a slower speed, with less weight, and better tires...) at full-throttle, I'd have to say that the Mustang's easier to drive.

Where does that leave the MX-5? It leaves the MX-5 looking improperly tuned and completely illogically poor-to-drive.

 

[Matty]

I'll upload a video of me trying to drive fast at Mid-Ohio (just a few turns) after a few laps and let you all laugh at my inability to keep it straight.

 

[Wilbur]

Try VIR Esses flat-out. Try it, before you say that you don't have any idea how I have snappy oversteer.

The MX-5 just wants to snap loose above a certain speed. Why do you think nvidia cup only goes to the Okayama Short and Lime Rock? And, even Lime Rock's sorta difficult because of the corner with the hill. Point is, you're trying to say it's easy to drive, and it's not. The Jetta's easier to drive. Yes, it still is hard to drive, but, everything's hard to drive fast. The MX-5, though, that's just stupidly hard. If I can take the Mustang (on street tires!!) through a corner flat-out, and the MX-5 can't do that corner (at a slower speed, with less weight, and better tires...) at full-throttle, I'd have to say that the Mustang's easier to drive.

Where does that leave the MX-5? It leaves the MX-5 looking improperly tuned and completely illogically poor-to-drive.

So your telling me the rest of the road cars aren't nearly as hard to control and drive as the MX-5? I can never really get how to drive the MX5 period but the DP I can without too much issue. I might not the fastest but I'm not way off pace with it.

 

[Matty]

I'll also try the same turns in a MX-5 since it's in topic. And have that in the upload.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I'll also try the same turns in a MX-5 since it's in topic. And have that in the upload.

And, flat-out?


Also, trying to be fast in the Star Mazda's hilarious. Naturally, I just ended up having a 200 ft. drift (with some pretty big angle.) That was a lot of fun. I spun at the end, but, it was still worth it.

 

[Matty]

I'm on about the tricky bit at Mid Ohio, not sure if flat out is possible.

 

[Matty]

Actually upload is too slow for now... Maybe another time.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Good racing with you Kevin, and nice win, while we're at it.

Sorry if it seemed like I was going to dive-bomb. I just had no idea if you were up to speed in your Solstice or not, I didn't want to follow behind and brake too late. I think I slowed you down a bit, while lapping you.

Edit: Second clean race in a row!

 

[Kevin01SH]

Nah man, i was moving aside because i know what a blue flag means. No sense in holding you up since i was the only Solstice left on the track. Yeah it took me almost the whole race to finally get back into shape, i had forgotten how much fun the GTC can be.

 

[Roush_fan_99]

Try VIR Esses flat-out. Try it, before you say that you don't have any idea how I have snappy oversteer.

The MX-5 just wants to snap loose above a certain speed. Why do you think nvidia cup only goes to the Okayama Short and Lime Rock? And, even Lime Rock's sorta difficult because of the corner with the hill. Point is, you're trying to say it's easy to drive, and it's not. The Jetta's easier to drive. Yes, it still is hard to drive, but, everything's hard to drive fast. The MX-5, though, that's just stupidly hard. If I can take the Mustang (on street tires!!) through a corner flat-out, and the MX-5 can't do that corner (at a slower speed, with less weight, and better tires...) at full-throttle, I'd have to say that the Mustang's easier to drive.

Where does that leave the MX-5? It leaves the MX-5 looking improperly tuned and completely illogically poor-to-drive.

You lost me, the corner up the hill at lime rock is slightly off camber and should cause understeer if you go too fast on entry. There only three ways I can understand the effects you describe is either you (1) accidentally set the brake bias really really low or (2) you saw at your wheel at slight wobbles. It's a common mistake, you turn the wheel, and it gets a little loose and you over correct and you start to get bigger and bigger oscillations until lock to lock does nothing and around you go into the bushes backwards, it's a lot like getting in a plane and hitting turbulence and the pilot freaks out and pulls back really hard and stalls the plane. Or (3) the suspension has way too much compliance and causes a tight-loose condition. It happens when you over tighten the car and it has tons of rear grip and it starts to understeer, so you try to adjust and the suspension unloads and there's a massive forwards weight transfer. It's very hard to explain in words but the irony of you spinning out is that you most likely need to loosen the car and bring the shock dampers down along with loosening the car and start the setup from scratch again. It's a combination of being smoother and getting used to being on the edge of grip.

And for the record, no car in the sim uses street tires (except the 3 GTC cars which I still doubt do), not even the legend which uses treaded tires, they are still not highway rated, and especially not the mustang which isn't even street legal (no blinkers, and obviously no tread).

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Kevin: Doesn't mean I want to slow you down. I had a 15-ish second gap to third place, and had no chance at first place.

Roush: I was going by what someone else told me that the Mustang had BFGoodrich (?) street tires, when I said I was surprised by the way the Mustang handled.

Also, when I'm talking about the up-hill, I'm not talking about the corner, I'm talking about the airborne/weight transfer part. I still avoid Lime Rock for that, and the lap 1, turn 1 knuckleheads...

 

[Matty]

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Last 6 Street Stock races. Who said rookie was messy now?

Look at the overall gain.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Last 6 Street Stock races. Who said rookie was messy now?

That's actually pretty bad. I mean, iRacing Grand Touring Cup MC does a bit better, at D-Class license... I can't really imagine how clean an A-Class race would be.


There was one guy in your list of 6 races, with 28 incidents. Oops. I think it's a bad race if I get 5 incidents.

 

[Wilbur]

Now I remember how bad rookie was. I don't even attempt those races even though the legend car is actually fun to drive.

 

[superbike81]

Something weird, I don't know what it was but something was REALLY off for me yesterday in the McLaren.

All week long I've actually had a decent amount of practice time so I was running high 1:39's and a couple mid-1:39's in testing at race weight (note: I'm not fast LOL). Then I race yesterday, and something is just off, I'm getting passed in the straights and can't corner to save my life, best lap was like a mid 1:42, almost 3 seconds off my normal pace. I figured I just sucked at racing at Zandvoort. But I ran another race just now to see what happened and I was back to running consistent low 1:40's for the first 10 laps or so and then slowly falling off to mid 1:42's. I wasn't doing anything different, but the car seemed to have more grip and more power than it did yesterday.

Anyone else have that happen before? This was my first time to be so far off. I've had off days where I'm a second or so off, but never ~3 seconds.

 

[pilmat]

Something weird, I don't know what it was but something was REALLY off for me yesterday in the McLaren.

All week long I've actually had a decent amount of practice time so I was running high 1:39's and a couple mid-1:39's in testing at race weight (note: I'm not fast LOL). Then I race yesterday, and something is just off, I'm getting passed in the straights and can't corner to save my life, best lap was like a mid 1:42, almost 3 seconds off my normal pace. I figured I just sucked at racing at Zandvoort. But I ran another race just now to see what happened and I was back to running consistent low 1:40's for the first 10 laps or so and then slowly falling off to mid 1:42's. I wasn't doing anything different, but the car seemed to have more grip and more power than it did yesterday.

Anyone else have that happen before? This was my first time to be so far off. I've had off days where I'm a second or so off, but never ~3 seconds.

I get that sometimes when I swap cars, it takes some time to get the feel back. But it's not 3 seconds. And getting killed on the straights sounds like something else (unless you just can't get out of the corner onto the straight). Bring up the little controls black box and make sure you're getting full throttle, maybe your throttle pot is going or your pedal connection is not tight.

 

[superbike81]

Yeah, I kept looking down at my throttle meter to see if it was at full and it was. I forgot to mention that part, sorry.

 

[smuffyatfcp]

Just finished a good race in the MX-5 Cup. Started 7th and finished 2nd.

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[OLDSKOOLACURA]

I'll be getting on fairly soon to run some practice laps in the mx5. I might do a race later depending on how comfortable I feel (its been awhile).

 

[smuffyatfcp]

Not as good of a finish, but made .20 SR

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[OLDSKOOLACURA]

I know it's been awhile since I've raced, but wow am I off pace at summit point in the miata

 

[Mac K]

You think the MX5 is difficult, but you want to drive the Supercar?

Me=

Try VIR Esses flat-out. Try it, before you say that you don't have any idea how I have snappy oversteer.

The MX-5 just wants to snap loose above a certain speed. Why do you think nvidia cup only goes to the Okayama Short and Lime Rock? And, even Lime Rock's sorta difficult because of the corner with the hill. Point is, you're trying to say it's easy to drive, and it's not. The Jetta's easier to drive. Yes, it still is hard to drive, but, everything's hard to drive fast. The MX-5, though, that's just stupidly hard. If I can take the Mustang (on street tires!!) through a corner flat-out, and the MX-5 can't do that corner (at a slower speed, with less weight, and better tires...) at full-throttle, I'd have to say that the Mustang's easier to drive.

Where does that leave the MX-5? It leaves the MX-5 looking improperly tuned and completely illogically poor-to-drive.

It's a rookie series. Those tracks aren't hard to master and they get you comfortable with the whole iRacing service, that's the point. No car is easy to drive fast, you're right on that, but the MX-5 is very predictable in my opinion and after a few hours most people could be turning a respectable pace in it.