iRacing GTPlanet Mustang FR500S World Challenge - SERIES CANCELLED

[marky5244]

I've been following this thread as I got into iRacing a couple of months ago. I'd be interested in private races with other GTPlanet members. However real life tends to get in the way so I woudn't be able to commit to particular races and even more so championships. That's one of the great things with the iRacing public championships; clean online racing whenever you want. Even when GT5 comes out I do intend to keep iRacing - they're both great, just in different ways.

 

[TheMainVr4]

which layout are we doing at VIR?

 

[The Outlaw]

The full course, Mike 👍 I still need to get some more seat time in myself so I can learn the ins and outs of the track a bit better, particularly the first few corners and the entry for the oak tree corner. This is by no means a easy track to learn or master

I will post details on Round 4 tommorow morning hopefully. I'm shooting to have the race take place this Sunday at the usual time, 6 PM GMT.

 

[AutoAki]

...I have workshift at sunday.

 

[The Outlaw]

How about Saturday then?

 

[AutoAki]

How about Saturday then?

Nope... we mostly do two double-days in a row. I have sat and sunday this weekend. That way we have quite much freedays. (includes hint )

 

[The Outlaw]

You can't find time (just 1-1.5 hours really) to race before or after your work on either Saturday or Sunday though???

I don't know what your free days are...you tell me

 

[AutoAki]

You can't find time (just 1-1.5 hours really) to race before or after your work on either Saturday or Sunday though???

I don't know what your free days are...you tell me

I cant. Sorry. My saturdays shift starts at 11am, and continues to the next morning at 4am. Then 6 hours sleep and same again. I dont remember my next week perfectly now, but atleast mon, tue, wed are free after that terrible sat-sunday combo. Also next sunday most likely is free too.


EDIT: I have new info about my seat-time in near future... almost none. I must go to cottage from monday to thursday... next weekends sat and sunday are first race-days for me. Cant wait. Specially cause I just received my new AMD PhenomII x4 965 BE, and Asus M4A785TD-V Evo!

What a nerd I am nowadays.

 

[TheMainVr4]

did we settle on the time adn date for this next event yet? im trying to inform my 4some of when we can play golf this weekend so teh soon the better......

anytime works for me since im free as a bird. but i'd like to now sooner rather then later.

 

[The Outlaw]

Hey guys, I've decided to postpone Round 4 until next weekend. However, I'm still eager to race this weekend so I will likely hold a non-points race @ VIR which will be open to the public on Sunday (will post times and a notice in the iracing thread later). It should be a pretty fun event since there will likely be a good number of people racing and this track is an absolute blast IMO 👍

Hope to see some of you out there

 

[TheMainVr4]

good cuz i suck complete monkey bananas at VIR, since i hardly ever race it.

edit ps, we should all race the mustang cup at leguna together some time this week.....

 

[The Outlaw]

I'm ineligible atm, otherwise I would I need to get my rating up by competing in some series...

 

[cpp214]

Hey guys, I've decided to postpone Round 4 until next weekend. However, I'm still eager to race this weekend so I will likely hold a non-points race @ VIR which will be open to the public on Sunday (will post times and a notice in the iracing thread later). It should be a pretty fun event since there will likely be a good number of people racing and this track is an absolute blast IMO 👍

Hope to see some of you out there

I'll try my best to be there Brock VIR is really great, it has a nice mix of everything--elevation changes, high speed corners, technical sections, just a ton of fun

I did some free run there tonight, and I put together a video of one of my laps using FRAPS. Not very fast, but it'll give folks an idea of what VIR in the Mustang is like 👍

 

[The Outlaw]

Nice footage Carl Looks like your using the h-pattern w/clutch now?

 

[cpp214]

Nice footage Carl Looks like your using the h-pattern w/clutch now?

Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed with how the transmission model has been implemented with the Mustang though to be honest. For anyone out there that doesn't know, iRacing recently updated their transmission model, and on the Mustang, if you use an H-pattern shifter, you can now "pre-select" gears
In other words, without pressing the clutch, you can move the shifter from 3rd to 4th gear, and then when the car is ready to shift, just press the clutch in with your foot and the car will shift gears. This is totally unrealistic and a terrible move by iRacing in my opinion.

A lot of elements of the new model are great, but why introduce a totally unrealistic element like pre-loading a shifter into the equation? This is one of the few areas-belive it or not-in which GT5P is superior to iRacing. It has a much more realistic clutch model.

If you choose to use auto clutch now in iRacing--in most cars--you are going to lose massive time on straights. For example, at VIR in the Mustang, if you use auto clutch vs. manual clutch (or button clutch, that's a whole other story ) you are going to lose at least .2 tenths on average on the straight after the Oak Tree turn, another .2 or so on the main straight, and about .1 or so on the full throttle section leading to the uphill esses. Additionally, you're going to lose another tenth or two over the other sections of the course.

One workaround to this is to map a button for the clutch on your wheel. Guys who run wheels without a 3 pedal set or a shifter are having to do this.
I've tried it, and I just can't do it. Maybe I haven't given it enough time yet. More power to those that can do this, but I can't. And I really can't use the clutch with paddle shifters either, it just feels weird to me. So with the Mustang, I am going to just have to learn to use the H pattern. No biggie.

But, the new transmission model has opened up a whole other can of worms.
Before, running with aids like auto clutch on was no penalty, in fact, a lot of people who run with aids off thought it was an unfair advantage for other drivers to be able to run with aids on, and I guess in fairness it was.
But now, there is a lot of talk on iRacing forums about using Macros--essentially using either Logitech software or other software to map button combinations that will allow you to use the paddle shifter on your wheel to both activate the clutch as well as up or downshift.

This is essentially a clutch cheat if you ask me. No two ways around it.

But you want to know the good part? No one on the forums has yet offered a detailed explanation of exactly how it's done. Lots of people have asked, but no one is explaining exactly how to do it, only that "it's easy" and "anyone" can do it. Now here's what gets me--I have no clue how to do it. So basically there will be guys who know how to do this, and guys who don't, and the guys who don't will be at a .500 second or more disadvantage on a single lap in some cars. That's unacceptable. This wasn't a problem before, because there was no advantage to using the clutch on upshifts.

Bad move by iRacing in my opinion.

/rant

 

[The Outlaw]

Here's the scheduling for tomorrow's OPEN/NON-POINTS race @ VIR:

180 minute practice session begins @ 4 PM GMT
20 minute qualifying session begins @7 PM GMT
12 lap race begins @ ~ 7:20 PM GMT

Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed with how the transmission model has been implemented with the Mustang though to be honest. For anyone out there that doesn't know, iRacing recently updated their transmission model, and on the Mustang, if you use an H-pattern shifter, you can now "pre-select" gears
In other words, without pressing the clutch, you can move the shifter from 3rd to 4th gear, and then when the car is ready to shift, just press the clutch in with your foot and the car will shift gears. This is totally unrealistic and a terrible move by iRacing in my opinion.

Interesting... TBH, I'm quite surprised the developers have allowed for such blatant unrealistic shifting with the latest modeling 👎

A lot of elements of the new model are great, but why introduce a totally unrealistic element like pre-loading a shifter into the equation? This is one of the few areas-believe it or not-in which GT5P is superior to iRacing. It has a much more realistic clutch model.

If you choose to use auto clutch now in iRacing--in most cars--you are going to lose massive time on straights. For example, at VIR in the Mustang, if you use auto clutch vs. manual clutch (or button clutch, that's a whole other story ) you are going to lose at least .2 tenths on average on the straight after the Oak Tree turn, another .2 or so on the main straight, and about .1 or so on the full throttle section leading to the uphill esses. Additionally, you're going to lose another tenth or two over the other sections of the course.

One workaround to this is to map a button for the clutch on your wheel. Guys who run wheels without a 3 pedal set or a shifter are having to do this.
I've tried it, and I just can't do it. Maybe I haven't given it enough time yet. More power to those that can do this, but I can't. And I really can't use the clutch with paddle shifters either, it just feels weird to me. So with the Mustang, I am going to just have to learn to use the H pattern. No biggie.

As you know I'm one of those who has also fallen victim to the rather substantial drop off in pace with the new transmission modeling, which has dramatically slowed down the shifting when using the auto-clutch.

Since I use the DFGT I have recently pre-mapped the left d-pad button on the steering wheel to be used as the clutch function as you alluded to. Last week I tried this at Road America but was completely unaware of the fact that I needed to turn off the "auto-clutch" function in the option menu to take full advantage of the pre-mapped clutch button Just today I finally became aware of this and have already seen a pretty substantial improvement in my lap times since doing so...about a full second around VIR.

Luckily for me it's not to difficult to operate. The downshifts are quite easy I find (just a matter of synchronizing the operation of your two fingers and right foot) being that I'm naturally a left foot braker and can use my right foot to blip the throttle. However, I do find the upshifts to a be bit finicky as it seems like the transmission is a bit picky as to how you time the pressing of the clutch button (and for how long) and the upshift paddle button...but I think it's just a case of needing a bit more practice to become completely comfortable with the timing that is required.

With that said, I will definitely use the clutch in qualifying where 1 lap pace is really crucial. But maybe for the race I will just stick to auto-clutch for now (at least for this weekend) where consistency and reliability are a bit more important, until I get a bit more comfortable with the using the pre-mapped clutch button.

But, the new transmission model has opened up a whole other can of worms.
Before, running with aids like auto clutch on was no penalty, in fact, a lot of people who run with aids off thought it was an unfair advantage for other drivers to be able to run with aids on, and I guess in fairness it was.
But now, there is a lot of talk on iRacing forums about using Macros--essentially using either Logitech software or other software to map button combinations that will allow you to use the paddle shifter on your wheel to both activate the clutch as well as up or downshift.

This is essentially a clutch cheat if you ask me. No two ways around it.

But you want to know the good part? No one on the forums has yet offered a detailed explanation of exactly how it's done. Lots of people have asked, but no one is explaining exactly how to do it, only that "it's easy" and "anyone" can do it. Now here's what gets me--I have no clue how to do it. So basically there will be guys who know how to do this, and guys who don't, and the guys who don't will be at a .500 second or more disadvantage on a single lap in some cars. That's unacceptable. This wasn't a problem before, because there was no advantage to using the clutch on upshifts.

Bad move by iRacing in my opinion.

/rant

Eeek...that sounds a bit too simple

 

[The Outlaw]

Hey guys, I just sent out PM's reminding everyone of the race this weekend (Sunday), as well as the schedule for raceday.

 

[Jordan]

It looks like I won't be able to join you guys for this weekend's race, which is a shame because I really enjoy VIR.

 

[The Outlaw]

Sorry to hear Jordan Thanks for letting us know in advance though 👍

 

[Mad94d]

Just did a time conversion to Aussie time, unfortunately official practice would start at 2:00am and the race at 5:20am on a monday morning. So probably won't join you, looks like a great series though. Will have to try and race you all someday. 👍

 

[The Outlaw]

Just did a time conversion to Aussie time, unfortunately official practice would start at 2:00am and the race at 5:20am on a Monday morning. So probably won't join you, looks like a great series though. Will have to try and race you all someday. 👍

You're more than welcome to join us anytime Mad I know the regular times we race at make it hard for you Aussies to join in unfortunately I'll try and get a race scheduled that might work better for everyone in the near future though 👍 You still on summer vacation btw? What times work best for you?

 

[Mad94d]

Nah man, in school time at the moment. In Holidays for me it may be easier to work something out time wise, but at the moment isn't really possible. But yeah as I said, in the next holiday break i'll try and see if I can make a few races (even if I have to wake up at 4am for Qualy. ).

Love the Mustang though, been doing a lot of public server racing in it over the past week that's for sure.

But, may see you on track at some point, and maybe it may be in a league race. I'll check here and see what I can do in holidays as I said. 👍

 

[Cozmo858]

Id be keen for some Stang league racing, Just have to wait till holidays as-well.

 

[The Outlaw]

Round 4 is underway 👍 Qualy will begin in roughly 3 hours time.

 

[AutoAki]

I'll be there soon...



Edit:


Thank you so much about trying to make effort Brock... and sorry that I spun at first lap there. We could have had some sort of epic battle, even you were again way more faster... but my strategy was not give you easy pass. (I have no idea why I spun... defensing lines perhaps.)

 

[The Outlaw]

NOTICE:

I have some bad news I've decided to cancel the Championship, after last weekend where we had just 3 entrants show up. It's quite obvious that the commitment of those who signed up (why sign up if you're not going to compete? ) to participate and overall interest is not there. At this point it has just become a waste of my Sunday afternoon, among many other things (cost to host race, organization, etc.)

Anyways, thanks to those who tried to race as often as they could, OR at least had the decency to let it be known when they couldn't make it out 👍 Special thanks goes out to Kristian, Carl, David R, Jordan, and Petar

 

[Frizbe]

I never made any of the races because they all conflicted with my work schedule. Sorry to hear that you have decided to cancel it, I was watching with interest to see if I could make any of the races.