Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[sdannenberg3]

I agree that too many people are just focusing on the negatives, but I am giving it a chance, OHHHH MAN am I giving it a chance... But I mean c'mon... single player is HORRIBLE, the AI are like ****ing tanks, they will NOT budge, and if you tap them, you get disqualified, yet I've had them hit me and spin me out multiple times, and since they are tanks, they just blow right threw and continue racing, leaving me in dead last.

ALSO, im specifically trying to race a certain car on the Gran Turismo World Championship race on expert under A-Spec mode, and I noticed on the Circuit De La Sarthe race, I was faster off the get go, and too slow on the straights. They were passing me even when they weren't drafting. So I thought, "buy a $20,000 fully adjustable tranny and up my top speed". Well I find out that my "fully" adjustable tranny only lets me adjust the final drive ratio. Regardless, I up my top speed from 168, to 200 cause they were not too much faster, id say about 10-15mph. But then when I race the race, its COMPLETELY better cars that do the same thing! I make my top speed 240, theirs is 250. I make it 270, theirs is 290.... I wanted to see my smart choice of mods go to use, and see my victory, instead It ended up a waste of money.

And what about lack of cars? (talking the premium ones) no Porsche, no Cadillac, no Hyundai, no Audi sedans, no s14 240, and many many others.

The clutch on the g25/g27 is weird too. It doesnt act like a normal clutch. No matter WHAT gear you are in, or neutral, stopped or moving, if you put the clutch to the floor, and let off the gas, the engine doesnt idle, the rpm's go to 0 and the car goes quiet. Also, if you try and shift to any gear while you are on the gas (even if clutch engaged) or if the wheels are spinning, it WONT go into gear. it just stays in neutral. Just a little irritating. Makes drifting impossible since wheels are always spinning lol.

I guess im just venting, but it is annoying how we all waited 4 years, and I kinda say to myself, this? this was what we waited 4 years for?

But dont get me wrong, I love this game!!!! Online is great, and I love the way they set the game up as far as beating single player goes. The physics of the cars are AMAZING. The interior views of the cars are great, as well as the overall graphics, especially the night, rain, snow, and dirt effects. And with the force feedback of my wheel, you can actually feel the difference in how the cars handle with mods/tire upgrades. Then add NASCAR, F1, go carts, WRC, etc... Its AWESOME!

 

[alucard0712]

I don't believe in my eyes.I'm disappointed in about whole game, excluding physics, some cars and tracks.FPS are HORRIBLE, Le Mans at rain and I got 30fps in cockpit view.And some other things I will explain later with some photos - be prepared to shock.

 

[Pug205GTi]

I haven't got the game. I'm also thinking of buying a PS3 and not alone for GT5, but it was one of my main reasons te get. So I don't give my opinion about the game cause I haven't played it yet.

But I read somewhere on the internet and my colleague had read somewhere on the internet a chat confersation with someone who worked for GT5 and he said that Sony was pressing PD. Prologue was almost the finished version of GT5, they only needed 8 more months to complete the game. That was for a resolution of 720. But Sony came with the new televisons they were going to produce with a resolution of 1080 so Sony made PD had to start ALL over again to produce GT5 in this resolution. All for the money hè. So they hadn't enough time to polish up the game. I know it has been 5 years or something, but if you need to start all over again it's gonna take a while to finish a game like this. But Sony thought the customers have waited long enough for this game so we just release as it is now.

Let's hope GT6 is like GT4. I played that game for so long, it never got boring to play.

 

[telemudcat]

I don't think anyone is focusing on the negative aspects on purpose. I think people see the potential here, and are angry it doesn't come close.

It's like a gifted student getting a B-, and a "special" student getting a C in the same class. One would be more frustrated, and mad, with the gifted student.

That's what GT5 seems to be to me. Its a gifted student that got a B-.

 

[Sockan88]

People need to adress the problems with the game otherwise PD will never be able to compete against the hard competition.

 

[Monkfish]

I don't get how so many people focus so much on the negatives in a game.Gamers have really become spoilt brats that whine at every turn. Not just GT5, but every high-profile game gets some sort of backfire. Well, maybe except Uncharted 2, which seems to be universally loved (by those who have played it).

I started playing games actively rather late (imo), when I was around 12/13 years old. This was in 1989/90. My first computer was a C64, and a year later I got the Amiga. It's really insane how the internet has changed gaming. If people really were that negative before the internet became a common thing (which I doubt), I was blissfully ignorant to it.

I guess this doesn't only affect gaming, but everything. There's so much negativity going on, judging from what you read on the internet, that it's a miracle we haven't all just laid down and died from self-pity. If it's the internet that drives us into being so negative, and that people become a different person on the internet, I think that's another thing that needs to stop. I act on the internet like I would act at home, for the most part. If I sound annoyed on the internet, it's either a misinterpretation of my post, or it's because I am.

I guess what I'm saying is, cheer up a bit fellow internettians. If some elements of a game isn't to your tastes, it's not the end of the world.

Spoilt brats eh, maybe we should just shut up and take any old crap that has been pushed on us. Most games that are let downs do not get this stick - but this one is different - we can see what it could and should have been and glaringly obvious elements that are simply abysmal.

No other game that I can ever remember (and I was playing games whilst you were playing with your Fisher Price toolkit) has ever done this.

Many are also voicing this as we hope that certain parts of it will be patched and fixed.

As for negativity around other games, your probably too young to remember the vitriol thrown at the slew of 'big licence' games in the early days

And finally if you sound annoyed is either because you are or because we misinterpret your post, thanks for clearing that up

Live and let live people, this is a forum, its for expressing opinions, surely you can see those who's sole intention is to wind up and ignore

 

[Pierced Lead]

How come Wipeout hd can run at a constant 60fps with beautiful HD graphics a league apart from gt'5s yet this game can never manage a steady 60fps and can sometimes run at only 18fps in some heavy traffic and graphical effects moments:tdown:

Less detail on-screen and less calculations going on under it.

I don't think anyone is focusing on the negative aspects on purpose. I think people see the potential here, and are angry it doesn't come close.

It's like a gifted student getting a B-, and a "special" student getting a C in the same class. One would be more frustrated, and mad, with the gifted student.

That's what GT5 seems to be to me. Its a gifted student that got a B-.

Wow, you summed up my thoughts of the situation.

 

[StarEye]

Spoilt brats eh, maybe we should just shut up and take any old crap that has been pushed on us. Most games that are let downs do not get this stick - but this one is different - we can see what it could and should have been and glaringly obvious elements that are simply abysmal.

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.

No other game that I can ever remember (and I was playing games whilst you were playing with your Fisher Price toolkit) has ever done this.

Good for you.

Many are also voicing this as we hope that certain parts of it will be patched and fixed.

That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.

As for negativity around other games, your probably too young to remember the vitriol thrown at the slew of 'big licence' games in the early days

Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.

And finally if you sound annoyed is either because you are or because we misinterpret your post, thanks for clearing that up

Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.

Live and let live people, this is a forum, its for expressing opinions, surely you can see those who's sole intention is to wind up and ignore

Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

 

[JDMKING13]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.




Good for you.



That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.



Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.



Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.




Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

Nice post man. 👍

 

[Aureus]

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me.

PD and Kaz cultivated an image of perfectionism and polish for years, pushing back the release date again and again because they needed the time to 'get it right.' And then they release a game that in many respects feels like it was hacked together in a day whilst other parts are simply unfinished.

Oh. And its not about not being happy with 'what we get', its about how there are features advertised on the back of the box that aren't in the game. Oh and its about how PD neglected to tell anyone about all the features that they promised that they didn't' deliver on before releasing the game. Its a giant bait and switch and that they decided to pull a bait and switch instead of being honest about the state of the game helps create the 'negativity' you are seeing. Quite frankly a feeling of negativity is perfectly justified.

 

[Monkfish]

I actually think, for the vast majority of the time the standard of comment on here has been pretty fair and constructive rather than destructive and I would say there is a consensus - most rational posters like/love the game but are aware of the flaws

The one difference is how much people are affected by the games issues - some seem to ignore it completely, some seem to be affected greatly

I swing between both camps when playing, its can drive me mad at times, other times is as good as it gets

 

[Le Mans 88]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.




Good for you.



That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.



Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.



Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.




Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

99% of the issues raised will be addressed either in updates, in GT6 or if needed in the next generation version of GT.

In the meantime many want their five minutes of fame on an internet forum by telling the world how awful it is despite being the best console sim on the market with huge potential.

 

[Stephen220378]

PD and Kaz cultivated an image of perfectionism and polish for years, pushing back the release date again and again because they needed the time to 'get it right.' And then they release a game that in many respects feels like it was hacked together in a day whilst other parts are simply unfinished.

Oh. And its not about not being happy with 'what we get', its about how there are features advertised on the back of the box that aren't in the game. Oh and its about how PD neglected to tell anyone about all the features that they promised that they didn't' deliver on before releasing the game. Its a giant bait and switch and that they decided to pull a bait and switch instead of being honest about the state of the game helps create the 'negativity' you are seeing. Quite frankly a feeling of negativity is perfectly justified.

Totally agree, Kazunori Yamauchi and his company have become the undisputed kings of hype in my opinion. They are the ones who've been talking this game up for years like it was going to be the be all and end all of racing games, they made the promises, release god knows how many great looking trailers and videos and all the while must have known GT5 was never going to live up to what they were saying. So the negativity stems from having the wool pulled over our eyes.

 

[Slurm]

^ +1. "Expect perfection", "The game is already finished, we just want to keep polishing it for the perfect experience" etc.. This is what happens when you build something up beyond it's actual merit, and I'm glad to see it. PD deserve applause for their physics engine, their attention to detail and so forth. But they deserve PLENTY of negative feedback in terms of how they spent the time, certain decisions made, and the blanket of misinformation.

 

[Captain Slovv]

I'll cut to the chase. My biggest disappointment with the game is that the 2010 Jag XFR is Standard. That is what I really don't understand, it's 2010, wasn't on PSP and obviously not GT4. What happened with that? Jags have to be my favorite, I have a '90 XJ-S (Wish one of those were in the game)



Sorry for kind of making this a wishlist

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

Perhaps you didn't catch the name of this thread?

Your comments beg the question;
Have you ever played a previous GT game?
as well as; if there is too much negativity, why are you here?

Sorry, but I'm all broken up about someone making negative waves and crowding your utopian view.

Lastly, true objectivity must include the negative and the positive.

This is a public (somewhat) forum, opinions of all kinds proliferate here.

 

[Devedander]

I don't get how so many people focus so much on the negatives in a game.Gamers have really become spoilt brats that whine at every turn. Not just GT5, but every high-profile game gets some sort of backfire. Well, maybe except Uncharted 2, which seems to be universally loved (by those who have played it).

What I don't get is why anyone is surprised at the negativity being voiced... I mean it's not like people are making stuff up, it's really that bad... if people were fabricating things to be unhappy about I could understand, but do you blame people for complaining food is bad at a restaraunt that serves mostly burnt food?

I mean look around... the major competition has had it's feet heald to the fire for years for far less game hindering issues than what we are seeing in GT5... sure at it's core GT5 has one thing no one else has which is that physics that just feels right, but it's not like the competition isn't close and the rest of GT5 that the physics engine is wrapped in as a game/experience is pretty poorly done really.

I guess what I'm saying is, cheer up a bit fellow internettians. If some elements of a game isn't to your tastes, it's not the end of the world.

Some really depends on what some... I mean if some of a car is broken and that some is the heated seats or glove box light, yeah it's not a big deal, if the some is the brakes and the wipers, not such a small thing to write off. GT5's some is pa pretty important some.

 

[warpspeed2slow]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.




Good for you.



That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.



Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.



Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.




Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

Wow, you make a post that sounds like your on a higher level or something. Then, in the last paragraph you throw in a backhanded snipe at the people on this thread.

After reading your post filled with all kinds of higher ideals I don't understand why you would participate in this thread. Unless you want to antagonize, I guess there goes you pretending to have higher ideals huh?

 

[bodger]

How come Wipeout hd can run at a constant 60fps with beautiful HD graphics a league apart from gt'5s yet this game can never manage a steady 60fps and can sometimes run at only 18fps in some heavy traffic and graphical effects moments:tdown:

Not a really a valid comparison though is it? Lower res, and does it have to deal with a sophisticated driving simulation handling model? I think not.

Wipeout's track designers can also design the scenery around the capabilities of the game engine and the PS3, with the real-world tracks there is no such luxury in Gran Turismo.

These things all take CPU cycles.

Read the Digital Foundry technical analysis - graphically its one of the best PS3 games out there - and it does this having to deal with a driving simulation handling model at the same time.

This is not the kind of thing you achieve by mistake or by sloppy development. PD are renowned for extracting the most out the hardware.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.




Good for you.



That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.



Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.



Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.




Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

We are just voicing our opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I am hoping GT6 will fix the flaws. Until then, we will continue to enjoy this game as it is.

 

[Hyst]

Thank God for this thread, and thank you to all the people calling it out for what it is. You've saved me nearly a thousand dollars I would've spent on GT5, a PS3, a decent TV, racing wheel, etc. Let's hope things are better in GT6.

 

[Mike712]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

It's also about turning a mouse into an elephant. Small stuff that really doesn't matter all that much in the big picture, that shouldn't take away from the enjoyment of the game. "Oh no, I have to click two times instead of one to do what I want!". Seriously.

That is what I meant with spoilt brats. There is too much whining nowadays. Not just when it comes to games though. People just aren't satisfied with what they get, and keep asking for more and more, and it sickens me. And it's true, we HAVE been spoilt. There are more (great) games released than ever before. The diversity is outstanding. We have cheap games, expensive games, and technology that's required and/or optional is easily affordable. Back then, how many gamers had several consoles and a gaming PC? Nowadays, it's almost normal to have more than one console, and certainly a PC is household equipment. And the games we buy have more features, are more advanced than ever before, and still we keep asking for more.

Hell, I'm guilty of this too, but I realize the error of this. Don't take games too seriously, just go in there and have a good time. It won't be perfect, but as long as you're having fun, that's what matters. If you're not having fun - well, just put the game down and play something else. If you want things to improve, say what you want improved, but don't act like it's the end of the world. Nitpicking will get you nowhere, because you can nitpick every game and every game will end up looking like the worst game ever. Gamers today just have unreasonably high demands.




Good for you.



That's not the problem. It's the general negativity that's the problem. It's possible to ask for stuff to be fixed or added, but the way this is being voiced, in many cases, makes it sound like they're personally insulted by Sony or PD. Some complaints are shallow and shows the spoilt brat in us - like "the game doesn't move 100% smooth 100% of the time, I know, I saw a tiny framerate issue so it's more like 99,99% and not 100%, fix this **** PD!". Exaggeration, sure, but there are a lot of complaints like this out there.



Bad games have always existed. Being negative against those are not the problem. Being negative against absolutely ****ing brilliant games are. And seriously, I'm 33 - unlikely the oldest on this forum, but I'm pretty certian I'm not the youngest either. I don't know if you're older than me, you probably are from the sounds of it, but that shouldn't matter regardless. I got my own hardware in '89, but it certainly wasn't my first venture into gaming. I wasn't a complete "noob" when I got my C64.



Yeah, that didn't sound very smart, did it?

What I meant was that on the internet, I try and be myself, and if I sound annoyed without actually being annoyed, it's because misinterpret. I don't put on a fake face, if I'm annoyed, I show it. If I'm happy about something, I show it. I don't hide behind an internet persona. My motto is, how I act in real life is how I act on the internet. Nothing I say on the internet is something I wouldn't do in real life.




Negativity breeds negativity. Hate breeds hate, and all that. You'd be surprised how many people gets affected by internet opinions. There's a reason why most famous people try and avoid the "common man" as much as they can. I for one think the negative thinking of the average internet poster is extremely sad and the more negative thinking, the worse it will get. The mood of a forum is set by it's posters. There's too much negativity on every forum today.

You're either a bad troll or a seriously ****hurt fanboy, It's glaringly obvious that there are some major flaws with the game, even ardent GT supporters such as myself can admit that.

 

[Multiracer]

Damage model-news:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1137446p1.html

Hope those 'it will be unlocked!!11'-posts stop now.

 

[DocRay]

I've been playing GT since it was GT on the PS1.
I've officially gotten bored with GT5 after a few days, it's the same old thing over and over. This game is now just an advertisement for car companies. It's inexcusable that the game is incomplete and sloppy in execution and design.

There are far better racing games out there. PD and Sony need to evolve or die on the GT series.

Frankly, the fans of GT5 like it for one reason: it's an easy game with billiard table smooth tracks that are ridiculously wide, with the same bad and uncompetitive AI as GT2. The other factor is staring at pretty cars.

It's not a racing game. There is no real-world racing like this.

 

[Ya Pops]

Well, let's hope shift 2 lives up to it's makers promises.
Not holding my breath, but it's looking good.

 

[Hoodie]

So... the longer I play GT5 the less I care about the HUGE number of problems and inconsistencies. I'm having a lot of fun - I'll admit that!

One thing that actually doesn't bother me AT ALL anymore are the standard cars. I never owned GT3 or 4 so all these cars are basically 'new' to me, so as yet I haven't even bought a premium car.

My second car was a Holden Monaro which rips the s**t and my third car was a Lancer from 1974, also awesome.

GT5 is a really good game, but still disappointing. It just takes a while to get over the shock of what 'could have been'.

Peace.

 

[Sselecta]

PD puts out a totally unforgivable deficient final product after nearly 6 years and people, or narrow-minded fanboys, tells us that we're spoiled brats, we should live it it or it isn't the right game for us for not liking it. Well, perhaps they are right, or perhaps it's just me who do not accept cold soup being served and having to grope after the good bits.

 

[MowTin]

Ah, but most people are let down BECAUSE they are spoilt brats who expects to much and demand 100% perfection. There IS NO SUCH THING. That's the point. And no, you shouldn't take any old crap. It's just that people take these things waaaay to seriously. It's the amount of hyberbole, exaggerations and whining that gets to me. Instead of "in my opinion, PD should've done this or that", it's "**** you PD! You RUINED MY LIFE AND RAPED MY GRANDMA!", basically.

Wow, I totally agree. Gamers are spoiled today. It's not just GT5 it's almost every game--often very good games and you'll find a forum full of complainers whinning about every little issue.

1. Shadows are jaggy. Hello?! Rendering shadows is very processor intensive. GT5 is pushing the PS3 to the limit and looks almost photorealistic at times but that's not good enough...they want smooth shadows.

2. The Menu take too many clicks. Really?! Menus???

3. The music sucks. So PD has to find music that everyone in the whole world loves? Turn off the music or use your own music. Who cares?

4. The AI sucks. It sucks in every racing game I ever played. They always run you off the road. They won't let you pass on the inside.

How many sims are there on consoles? Very few. Most companies go where the money is at--the casual gamer. Look at Codemasters games. At least PD hasn't betrayed us. They've given us an excellent driving experience.

 

[Tommy_861]

I just can't believe after 6 years in development that they couldn't get a constant frame-rate.As it stands it's just awful, you only need to see a couple of cars on the screen before the frame rate starts dropping and horrible screen tear or whatever the hell it is starts appearing and it's worst in the cockpit view and on certain tracks.

Not good enough especially as some of tracks look god-awful no better than ps2 graphics.The only really impressive tracks are London ,madrid,eiger and the long nurburgring,most of the rest certainly not up to scratch.

How come Wipeout hd can run at a constant 60fps with beautiful HD graphics a league apart from gt'5s yet this game can never manage a steady 60fps and can sometimes run at only 18fps in some heavy traffic and graphical effects moments:tdown:

Not a really a valid comparison though is it? Lower res, and does it have to deal with a sophisticated driving simulation handling model? I think not.

Wipeout's track designers can also design the scenery around the capabilities of the game engine and the PS3, with the real-world tracks there is no such luxury in Gran Turismo.

These things all take CPU cycles.

Read the Digital Foundry technical analysis - graphically its one of the best PS3 games out there - and it does this having to deal with a driving simulation handling model at the same time.

This is not the kind of thing you achieve by mistake or by sloppy development. PD are renowned for extracting the most out the hardware.

Just to point something out about Wipeout HD, theres basically no physics except basic rudimentary ones like gravity to keep the vehicles behaving believably. As well theres very few times that all vehicles are on screen at the same time, and most tracks have few long straightaways, they are very winding so you can't see very far ahead. The one course that you can see a good portion of the track is suspended in air and has very little external scenery. Finally of course there is no rendered interior, no smoke, and few shadows. The graphics are amazing but well planned around the limits of the system.

 

[Devedander]

Not a really a valid comparison though is it? Lower res, and does it have to deal with a sophisticated driving simulation handling model? I think not.

Wipeout's track designers can also design the scenery around the capabilities of the game engine and the PS3, with the real-world tracks there is no such luxury in Gran Turismo.

Isn't Wipeout HD actual 1080p? It doesn't get higher res than that on current consoles...

And let's be honest, GT5 tracks aren't that amazing... the real world ones aren't anymore impressive than PGR4's tracks and there is a lot of flat low res texutures out there.. I mean look at TGTT the building on your right as you pass the start line... the thing is massively low resolution. Watch the replay and you can see exactly how much.