Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[88mphSlayer]

who isn't? i think even the GT haters were disappointed

my problem with the game is that it does enough to entice me to play, but at the very same time does enough to keep me from feeling rewarded

even in the eternal Forza vs. GT debate, it's frustrating because GT5 does enough to make Forza 3 feel outdated, but at the same time Forza 3 does enough to make GT5 feel unrewarding and intrusive... it'd drive any racing sim fan crazy

hopefully both Polyphony and Turn 10 can step things up, because as it is i feel like i should be spoiled but really i just feel like i just ate a bunch of crappy chinese buffet food after playing both of these games a ton over the last 3 weeks

 

[g0dzilla]

I'm enjoying the game so far, but there's SO MUCH room for improvement. I was expecting more since it was in production for a long time..

 

[bodger]

Right, your answer is no, his is yes. You then proceed to take a look at his reasons, and, while you can't actually argue them, dismis them because someone brought them up before him. Which has nothing to do with what your opinion about the question in the thread title is.

If someone created a thread asking what your favourite colour was, would you state that your's is blue and then dismiss someone's answer (let's say, he named red as his favourite colour) because a hundred people named red as their favourite colour before him?

I'm fine with dismissing someone's opinion. Doing it for some kind of place-holder reason so you don't have to actually argue the points said user raised (because they can't be argued) seem fairly, well, unreasonable to me.

Maybe I'm just used to different kinds of discussion than you, dunno.


The question is, what would you respond to those point? The game not having enough events, forcing you to re-run them, for example. There's no arguing that point. You can't, for example, progress through B-Spec without re-running events, period.

Instead, you dismiss his opinion because those points were brought up before. Yeah, right.

The colour argument is a little daft don't you think? There's subjectivity and subjectively....

The whole point in me saying that poster's comments were cliched is that they were not worth a response, simply because they had been stated so many times before, and responded to so many times before.

Ok, if you really, really, insist:


Gamerwillz :
- Need a lot more events and races in A-Spec. It's way too small. Some of the events has just 1 race in it! It should have 3 or 4.
- Framerate dips and screen tearing when there are lots of cars on the screen.
- Used car dealership is a joke.
- Premium and standard cars is just a stupid idea.
- The menus looks horrible.
- Bad shadows.


- Some events have 1 race others have lots more. In older GT's, with all the manufacturers champ's, I remember there being complaints that there was too much, and the average player would never complete the game. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....
- Framerate dips - it happens yes. Most of the time, to my eyes, it is more than acceptable. Silky smooth, in fact.
- Premium and standard cars. Another well worn subject. Clearly, there wasn't enough time to do all the cars to the premium level standard. Which do you want "just" 200-300 cars or 700 lower quality ones thrown in as well? Personally, I think the game is better off with them.
- Menus - they look fine to me. Polished enough. Slow to cycle through maybe, but bad looking? Not to my eyes.
- Bad shadows. Yes, but which would you prefer - a further drop in frame rate and a higher quality shadow map? Compromises have to be made. Optimisations may come.

 

[bodger]

I don't see how a person's complaint is "cliche" just because people before him have said it before. If anything, it gives strength to the criticisms being valid as it is apparent to many that play the game.

Someone's criticism of a restaurant's streak dinner isn't "cliche" because he's the 99th person to make that criticism. It simply means the steak isn't good.

Streak dinner? Sounds interesting.... is that eaten naked?

If said criticism of the dinner is dished up in exactly the same way as other critiques to the point of over use then, yes, that is a cliche as well. It is the very definition of one.

 

[fr33style]

I don't see how a person's complaint is "cliche" just because people before him have said it before. If anything, it gives strength to the criticisms being valid as it is apparent to many that play the game.

Someone's criticism of a restaurant's streak dinner isn't "cliche" because he's the 99th person to make that criticism. It simply means the steak isn't good.

Streak dinner? Sounds interesting.... is that eaten naked?

If said criticism of the dinner is dished up in exactly the same way as other critiques to the point of over use then, yes, that is a cliche as well. It is the very definition of one.

I see. So instead of saying "this steak is dry," saying "this steak lacks moisture" would satisfy you?

 

[shinbone]

In my opinion, unless Microsoft forgets how to make a game, Forza 4 will be twice as good as GT5 unfortunately. And before I get attacked for being a Forza fanboy, I want to say I have never even played an Xbox 360 before, only PS3.

 

[FLIGHT50]

Gesh you guys are arguing back and forth taking up several pages just over someone disagreeing over disappointments. I had to scroll thru alot of it just to try to get back to comments on the original post. We are suppose to be dogging GT5 here remember,lol. Not one another.

Lets get back to it shall we....my main disappointments with GT5 are #1 the tracks #2 the events. If they imported all the events from GT4 just as it was, GT5 would be golden IMO. Import them and improve on them, give us all the other previous GT tracks - Game of the Year. It's all about the tracks for me. I want to race/drive the tracks. Graphics are great but not hugely important for me. Some flaws in this area are expected. Premiums, I can get by without them, we did from GT1-GT4. If there were cockpit views for standards the standard vs. premium disapproving talk wouldn't even exist. PD got themselves in a bind with making two tiers of cars. Delete half the cars and save space. Useless cars can go. Multiple can go. PD pick about 4-5 of your skylines, rx7,nsx.etc.... and give us cars that people want to drive. Variety will rule quantity any day. If you all are tight on space, get rid of all the crap no one wants or complains about, plain and simple. No brake upgrades. Not huge but its missing, we do at least have the brake controller without having to buy it. The used car lot. Come on. It really is a joke. This is the PS3, not psp. You don't have to limit us like that. In fact GT4 had 2 car lot outside of dealerships. Give us a normal used dealership and create another for classics or something. No wheels on standards. Not huge for me, it doesn't affect the car. Would be nice to be able to change them if you wanted to though. Levels, separate a-spec/b-spec,karting, all the special events, wtf. They weren't in previous installments, leave them out. Why add them now. They are DLC type events. Bad enough the license test don't import over for those of us that are tired of having to do them all over again. A.I. still the same. I am getting so pissed at over taking someone right before a corner and they spin me out by trying to take the inside. If you don't get the inside, your screwed most of the time if the A.I. is behind you. No gear modification. Every other GT had it. Even Prologue had it and that was the demo for GT5.

Here is something off topic. PD blames Logitech for not allowing them to fully supporting the G27 wheel. Talking about coding and all that. This is bogus talk. PD could have made it work. They could find another way around Logitech. They didn't try to. I recently bought F1 2010 (because GT5 failed me) and I was able to map EVERY single button. All the steering wheel buttons and all the H-shifter button can be mapped. Still can't do a PS button though. Anywho, These are just some of the points I am venting away to get us back on topic.

 

[Devedander]

PD blames Logitech for not allowing them to fully supporting the G27 wheel. Talking about coding and all that. This is bogus talk. PD could have made it work. They could find another way around Logitech. They didn't try to. I recently bought F1 2010 (because GT5 failed me) and I was able to map EVERY single button. All the steering wheel buttons and all the H-shifter button can be mapped. Still can't do a PS button though. Anywho, These are just some of the points I am venting away to get us back on topic.

This really gets my goat... ESPECIALLY because the G25 is fully supported... all the buttons work on G25 AND you can get the RA menu on G25... but on G27, two shifter buttons don't work, all 4 wheel buttons don't work and you CANT access RA menu at all no matter what... that is just frustratingly bad!

And as you say, it's not a logitech thing... it's a GT5 thing. GT5P had more G27 support than GT5 and Logitech have confirmed that how the buttons are handled is up to the game, not the drivers/system. They are all available to use as is evidenced by other games that use them all.

PD is either incredibly lazy and uncarring, or they have done it on purpose to favor official wheels.

 

[sukerkin]

I am, after a fashion, really glad that I read this before I blew a couple of hundred quid on a G27! My G25 died within hours of being hooked up to the PS3 so I'm stuck with using my worn out old DFP2 for now (the lack of precision in the feel is a real pain after several years of G25 excellence).

 

[Devedander]

I am, after a fashion, really glad that I read this before I blew a couple of hundred quid on a G27! My G25 died within hours of being hooked up to the PS3 so I'm stuck with using my worn out old DFP2 for now (the lack of precision in the feel is a real pain after several years of G25 excellence).

I don't know if it's better than DFP but DFGT is available right now for $70 after rebate if you have a Best Buy and a Frys near you.

 

[shirakawaa]

This really gets my goat... ESPECIALLY because the G25 is fully supported... all the buttons work on G25 AND you can get the RA menu on G25... but on G27, two shifter buttons don't work, all 4 wheel buttons don't work and you CANT access RA menu at all no matter what... that is just frustratingly bad!

In the Racesimcentral GT5 pre/review it's been reported to be correctly working, though.
As far as I know, it can be configured through the DFGT/DFP configuration menus. Also I've read that it can be necessary to configure buttons for the second player's wheel. Have you tried? I should get a G27 soon.

 

[sukerkin]

Thanks for the 'heads-up' Devedander - I shall look into some reviews and see what the general opinion is of how the two compare 👍.

 

[tinram]

Also, the rain effect was enhanced for TGS and what we actually got in the real game left me hugely disappointed. Isn't it illegal?

I think i got a better version of GT5 than you, cause i saw it rain hard on my install, the rain is dynamic (at least on my system.), sometimes it's weak and sometimes it pours just like the TGS video. The photo you keep posting is a bit biased.

You guys are ridiculous..

👍

 

[Barra333]

....my main disappointments with GT5 are #1 the tracks #2 the events. If they imported all the events from GT4 just as it was, GT5 would be golden IMO. Import them and improve on them, give us all the other previous GT tracks - Game of the Year. It's all about the tracks for me. I want to race/drive the tracks. *snip*

Ding ding ding!! Thats pretty much what my ideal GT5 improvement would be.

Didnt get much further through your post - too hard to read without a couple of paragraph breaks. The enter key is free to use.

I like the special events, but could do with more, even if they are like the special missions from GT4.

Complaints about the level system would largely disappear if there were more events too.

 

[Devedander]

In the Racesimcentral GT5 pre/review it's been reported to be correctly working, though.
As far as I know, it can be configured through the DFGT/DFP configuration menus. Also I've read that it can be necessary to configure buttons for the second player's wheel. Have you tried? I should get a G27 soon.

I will look into that... however the changes I make for the first person wheel take except of course L3 and R3 don't work at all and even when I assign X or Squre to RA (which work for other thigns) it doens't launch RA...

 

[Biggles]

In my opinion, unless Microsoft forgets how to make a game, Forza 4 will be twice as good as GT5 unfortunately. And before I get attacked for being a Forza fanboy, I want to say I have never even played an Xbox 360 before, only PS3.

Ditto here. I have only played FM 1, but I have a strong sense that Turn 10 is proceeding in a rational, considered way towards improving their game, while KY is looking increasingly out of touch & eccentric in developing GT.

However, when all's said & done, as an online game GT5 has the potential to deliver the goods - from what I understand from most objective observers, it is still superior in look & feel to Forza. Once the A Spec gameplay is a distant (faintly distasteful) memory we'll all be able to settle down to some first rate online racing. 👍 As an offline game GT5 is seriously lacking.

In addition, if PD continues to update & improve GT5 over time we can have that to look forward to also. I do think, however, if KY continues on the same path for GT6, he will be totally left behind by Turn 10 with Forza 4 & 5.

 

[Devedander]

I will look into that... however the changes I make for the first person wheel take except of course L3 and R3 don't work at all and even when I assign X or Squre to RA (which work for other thigns) it doens't launch RA...

Confirmed setting up P2's wheel under DFPro does not work either. L3 and R3 still don't work at all and RA despite being set to X does not work either.

 

[FLIGHT50]

In the Racesimcentral GT5 pre/review it's been reported to be correctly working, though.
As far as I know, it can be configured through the DFGT/DFP configuration menus. Also I've read that it can be necessary to configure buttons for the second player's wheel. Have you tried? I should get a G27 soon.

I tried this when I got the game during release week and nothing.

 

[FLIGHT50]

Ding ding ding!! Thats pretty much what my ideal GT5 improvement would be.

Didnt get much further through your post - too hard to read without a couple of paragraph breaks. The enter key is free to use.

I like the special events, but could do with more, even if they are like the special missions from GT4.

Complaints about the level system would largely disappear if there were more events too.

You change paragraphs when the subject changes. Only statement that really changed was about the wheel but it still related to PD slacking and being part of my disappointment. But I fixed that portion for you.

 

[thal689]

I need to weight in here. I hate how leveling up is a boring chore. Rpg leveling up is more fun. And what's up with the race cars being used rare finds? Thank goodness I have NASCAR The Game 2011 to look forward to. The game isn't terrible I just expected "god of war" perfection from a ps3 flagship release, that has been in production for years.

 

[Devedander]

I think i got a better version of GT5 than you, cause i saw it rain hard on my install, the rain is dynamic (at least on my system.), sometimes it's weak and sometimes it pours just like the TGS video. The photo you keep posting is a bit biased.



👍

I actually tend to agree with the picture posted... I don't think I have ever seen the rain (even in a downpour) look like more than a bunch of droplet textures on the screen...

EDIT I also checked out the ISR review and while they do say the wheel is 100% functional, I think they didn't really test it fully and assumed that since there is no RA wheel, it isn't supposed too support RA at all. It's a shame they didn't have their G25 because I think they might have figured out that wasn't there. I also think when they say 100% compatible they mean the clutch and h shifter mainly and that the preset buttons work (with the exception of L3 and R3) so basically I think they made an incorrect statement.

While they are definitely sim racing fans, they aren't necessarily as detail oriented GT5 nerds like us... for example they said you can paint the wheels on most of the cars when the truth is that you CAN'T paint the wheels on most cars... stuff like that.

 

[bodger]

I see. So instead of saying "this steak is dry," saying "this steak lacks moisture" would satisfy you?

The very fact that the same point about the thing has been brought up in the same thread in the same way as if it has never been mentioned before is the point.

So you prefer your threads to contain the same hackneyed points, repeated ad infinitum?

 

[Devedander]

The very fact that the same point about the thing has been brought up in the same thread in the same way as if it has never been mentioned before is the point.

So you prefer your threads to contain the same hackneyed points, repeated ad infinitum?

So to go with the steak analogy, if a restaraunt review site had one complaint the steak was dry it would be unecessary for others to say the same? It wouldn't, say, add to the legitimacy or importance of said claim if mutliple people all had the same experience?

BTW do you go to all the threads where positive things are being said and get on people for saying "premiums look awesome" because someone else already said that?

 

[bodger]

BTW do you go to all the threads where positive things are being said and get on people for saying "premiums look awesome" because someone else already said that?

No.

 

[Devedander]

No.

Well then I guess we see how the logic works

 

[Spagetti69]

Went into my garage today. I typed in R/R in the search engine and up comes a RUF, and a 65 fiat 500.

I have 110 cars in my garage. R/R cars are some of the most difficult and satisfying to get right cars to drive.

Am I just unlucky or are there still some good cars to find.
Obviously missing Porsche doesn't help.

Try it guys. Go to your garage and enter R/R in the search engine and let me know what you get.

 

[Abriael]

I need to weight in here. I hate how leveling up is a boring chore. Rpg leveling up is more fun. And what's up with the race cars being used rare finds? Thank goodness I have NASCAR The Game 2011 to look forward to. The game isn't terrible I just expected "god of war" perfection from a ps3 flagship release, that has been in production for years.

You mean "you can't move your camera" perfection? Thanks, but no thanks.

The perfect game doesn't exist, no matter the production time. Not that Polyphony held you at a gunpoint not to play anything else until the release of GT5, so production time isn't really of consequence.

And if you expect Activision to actually produce a decent racing sim, then good luck to you mate. You'll need to win the lottery to quell your disappointment.

 

[BigSpoon]

No need to beat a dead horse as I saw this thread has 62 pages lol... but I did read the first few and basically agreed with everything everyone is also complaining about.

I was pissed at this game. Still kinda am. Will it stop me from playing? Probably eventually, when I win all the "fun" races (if I can ever find the cars to do it without falling asleep on the couch babysitting my car go around in B-Spec mode). But after that? Will I keep trying to get my hippie bus around the Top Gear track? Gee, I wonder if the Stig ever did that?

What a freaking joke, I'm sorry. Graphics are good, but I was expecting mind blowing from all the hype and time spent waiting. Does anyone know how long it took to make GT4?

It's like they took GT4 and made it look better, added a little bit of damage, added more cars but most of them are ******, and then screwed us over for events and gave us retarded "Special Events" stuff and the Museum and Gran Turismo TV. Seriously WTF is that all about?!??!?!

You can't even win some of the races without a wheel, I have concluded. Either that, or I am the worst driver on the planet. Yet I somehow managed to do just fine in GT3 and 4 with just my controller...

 

[Geoff_P1]

Plenty of things bug me:

Can't speed up B-Spec

You can, there's some option some where while you race and you can choose from "slow down" "maintain pace" "speed up" "overtake" I believe the icon while racing in B-spec mode is like some headphones, press x on that.

Hope I helped with that one bug of yours.

And where is the Nurburgring?

It's there, I've done it more times on A-spec this week that what you've had hot dinners this week mate.👍

 

[Scaff]

You can, there's some option some where while you race and you can choose from "slow down" "maintain pace" "speed up" "overtake" I believe the icon while racing in B-spec mode is like some headphones, press x on that.

Hope I helped with that one bug of yours.

Only problem is that's not what he meant.

The "Maintain Pace", etc options just tell the driver what to do. In GT4 you could do that (actually you had more options Pace 1 to 5 and overtake), but you could also set the race to fast forward, which was the same as hitting the fast foward button on you DVD remote.

Two very different things.

So the actual answer is, No you can't speed up the race as you were able to do in GT4.

It's there, I've done it more times on A-spec this week that what you've had hot dinners this week mate.👍

Can I ask (from a moderation point of view) if this attitude was really needed?

Its a perfectly resonable question to ask, which could be answered in the same way.

Yes the 'ring is in the game, but to open it up for arcade and practice you need to complete the second set of AMG challenges to at least bronze.

Not difficult and actually of use to the person asking the question.


Scaff