Is anyone else upset with the rally in gt4?

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DJF70
Has anyone tried the Evo super rally car? I'm thinking about buying it, but I'm wondering if it's really worth the 1 million+ credits.
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It drives very differently than most of the other rally cars, but it is in my experience one of the fastest. I used it to win at Ice Arena, Chamonix an Grand Canyon, though I did use the '03 WRX for GC Hard forward only.
 
So would you say, the '03 WRX rally car for instance, is good enough and not waste the money on the Evo super?

I've hardly touched the rally races and I'm excited to get started on them. I'm not very good at it so any advantage I can get is great. I'll gladly spend the 1 million+ credits if the Evo super is that much better.

Hmm, maybe now is a good time to copy my game to another mem card and give her a test drive. :)
 
I don't see why people are having so much trouble with the rally races. Could it be because its all more realistic :D yep. Its not perfect but its a heck of a lot more real life like than any console racer yet, IMO. RBR is better but thats to be expected from a PC sim.

Chamonix and ice arena aren't hard tracks to drive, you have to realise that your driving on ice and snow. Hardly the most grippy surface around. You have to go slow in, drift the apex and hard accel out when you know and/or can see that you will safely make the exit without hitting the walls. When you try to drive hard into the corners your just going to understeer alll the way to the wall since you long since missed the brake zone. Trail braking will do the same as well. The front wheel's have to have traction.

I just did a 2'22.728 on S14 without touching a single wall. The snow rally's are fun to do because they require so much skill to do.
 
3rdgenracerX
Its not perfect but its a heck of a lot more real life like than any console racer yet, IMO. RBR is better but thats to be expected from a PC sim.
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You can get Richard Burns Rally for the PS2 as well as PC (X-box as well).
 
That is right. But you must know, that RBR has a rally adopted physical model and is so very good., while GT4 has more generally focused physics so rallying can be a bit off ...
 
Its all about speed and throttle control, if you go into a turn too fast, you will hit the wall, if you throttle too hard on exit or at apex, you will hit the wall. Its all about going into the turn with reasonable speed and ballancing the throttle through it. It feels great when achived corectly, but the biggest mistake is too much throttle.

The thingg that makes it hard for people is you cant rocket through the track
 
ProtegeLX
Its all about speed and throttle control, if you go into a turn too fast, you will hit the wall, if you throttle too hard on exit or at apex, you will hit the wall. Its all about going into the turn with reasonable speed and ballancing the throttle through it. It feels great when achived corectly, but the biggest mistake is too much throttle.

The thingg that makes it hard for people is you cant rocket through the track
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Quite agree, RBR is a good exercise for GT4 rallying (well GT4P until next week for me). The one thing it teaches you very quickly is that full throttle is very rarely used and you have to be smooth with the steering, brakes and throttle. Anything else just means meeting some trees.

Also the stages in RBR are very, very narrow, GT in comparison is like driving down the motorway, loads of room, even Grand Canyon.

The only GT4 tracks that get close are Amalfi and Citta d'arria and with GT4P and the BMW demo i've got quite used to these.
 
In my opinion, Rally in GT4 is way more realistic then GT3, but not close to real life. Where i live, all there is, is dirt roads. Belive me when i say, GT4 is like arcade driving compared to real life dirt driving.
 
I actually think the new rally physics are amazing. Sure, it's a lot more difficult than it used to be, but that's a good thing.
 
mclaren777
I actually think the new rally physics are amazing. Sure, it's a lot more difficult than it used to be, but that's a good thing.
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Well from where your sitting it might be, but until I get more proficient at Rally. It stinks Rosanne's butt. :dopey: :dopey: :dopey:
Have heard quite a few good tips & suggestions, will keep trying.
I want that ESCUDO.
 
DJF70
So would you say, the '03 WRX rally car for instance, is good enough and not waste the money on the Evo super?

I've hardly touched the rally races and I'm excited to get started on them. I'm not very good at it so any advantage I can get is great. I'll gladly spend the 1 million+ credits if the Evo super is that much better.
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Well, I had been driving the Subaru stock, and the Mitsu with the Stage 3 turbo. I just swapped over the stage 4 turbo to the Subaru, and it is just a hair faster (pulled a 2:35.9 on GC) than the Mitsu now. With the Mitsu, the stage 4 turbo gave the highest peak HP, but the torque curve was no good so it wasn't really faster than the stage 3. The Subaru, OTOH, seems to work just fine with the Stage 4 turbo. (power wise, it puts it halfway between the Mitsu's stage 3 and stage 4)

BaronCAD
I want that ESCUDO.
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Why? The car is absolutely horrible to drive, IMO... :yuck:
 
In GT4 rally physics are different from Prologue. Rally in GT4 feels a lot like CMR. Kinda not realistic, well I can see all little details there are but it feels strange. I am a bit dissapointed since I expected different behaviour in rally. Nope, I don't wnjoy it. I found that rallying in Arcade mode is more fun for me.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that the Gran Turismo kind of deals with a broad spectrum of automobiles while games like the Rallisport Challenge series zero in on one specific form of motorsport. Gran Turismo isn't so much of a do-it-all racing game, but it's surely a new challenge since GT2. I think the Cultus Pikes Peak (who remembers this car when the Escudo completely overshadows this one?) was more livable with 700 hp, working lights, and didn't really seem all power, no handling.

As far as Gran Turismo 4 goes, PD wanted to start anew. This deal here is pretty tough. Roadways are narrow and require more concentration. Not that I've done any, but I think this is more like Autocross racing. Usually in Autocross racing I've seen on TV, you have a one-lane road, and your job is to navigate the course effectively without mowing down the cones. Most of the older GT rally tracks are still in the game (without Pikes Peak, I know). I seen Swiss Alps in the Arcade Mode track listing, and you can still have fun with that. But for sure, if you're not ready for rally racing, don't go with Grand Canyon. I guess to prepare for Grand Canyon, try Tahiti Maze and master it.

In closing, I'm going to be honest. One of my biggest weaknesses in rally racing is attacking apexes. Sometimes, I drift out and don't usually attack the deepest part of the apex without hitting the wall. As a result, my lap times suffer from not cutting into the deepest part of each apex of each turn in rally. That's my biggest weakness. But definitely train up for rally racing in GT4.
 
I can tell you one thing, I have never bought GT,GT2,GT3 or GT4 for the rallying. Its all about grip/drift on street and yeah yeah I will complete the dirt stuff.
 
I guess i totally forgot about the rally part of the game it felt "better' on gt3, but the rest of the game totally makes up for that part.
 
I bought GT series too because ogf it's tarmac car driving. Rallying just came as a bonus, but still, after I completed all rally driving, I didn't return anymore ...
 
If they had more grip they would be much more realistic, which is why I prefer GT4P. You don't even have to use the handbrake in GT4s rallies.

Rally tests like those in RBR would have been cool too.
 
Yo,

I am always surprised by people's dissatisfaction of the rally in GT... I myself just adore the physics model - at least it respects four-point vehicle dynamics, which is a helluva lot more than I can say for either RSC2 or especially the Colin McRae series, in which the cars literally pivot round a center axis when steering.

You can't get much more fake than that.

And much as I love my Rallisport Challenge 2, damned if the damned things don't twitch and turn in a pivoting fashion (alls you need to do is watch the replays) like CMR does.

Which sucks. :grumpy:

So, here's hoping that 1) my new PlayStation2 arrives on Tuesday (lol), and 2) that GT4 pretty much retains the rallying physics of its predecessors.

👍

-GNJ-
 
I love the rally tracks. It's an absolute blast sliding around turns. I never had a problem controlling cars there at all. A lot of my friends though would just spin out or wreck. Maybe I'm just a better driver :)
 
I also love the rallying in GT4, it's so much more realistic than GT3. Just keep practicing and try out different settings and cars and release the pressure on the throttle. It seems some of you guys are taking the turns to fast. I use the STi Spec C for every rally and it's perfect.
 
As I said, almost everything's changed about GT4... hi, GuyNamedJohn. I'm also named John. Nice meeting you... but, everything's changed. I can remebmer in GT2, I got gold in all the license tests except the Pikes Peak one with the Escudo. GT3, I don't think I currently have a Gold for ANY of the Rally License tests. Nope, only three Silvers and the rest Bronze. Got silver for the first three. And at this pace, I hate to imagine GT4's rallying. I already rally raced in my little play test of GT4. It's no fun. It is fun, but I mean "no fun" as in, it's not your average Gran Turismo rallying. You actually have to know your way around to get the best time. And if you're in a head to head duel, it can be tough to overtake and then maintain the lead.

So stay on it, and do your best is all I'm saying. If you can dig that, I'll go back to my GT3 gameplay.
 
I LOVE the rally physics, because I find it to be almost an intellectual exercise. With GT3 I could pretty much sleepwalk through any rally course because it was so forgiving. With GT4, I have to think about entrance speed & line so much more before even getting to the turn.

It's also thrilling when things go bad during a turn and you find a way to get out of it and prevent yourself from spinning or hitting a wall.

Overall, GT4 Rally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT3 Rally
 
Well shoot, you guys have me really stoked for GT4 then. I don't know what, really to expect. LOL

Hi John, and same back atcha. I always said... Any feller named John can't be all bad. (Ok well I never said that but play along. :D)

Yo Maturin. Hey man I agree that GT3 on dirt was dumbed down just way too much from GT2 - I mean it was still incredibly enticing, but I swear I missed the more demanding control from GT2 rally (which in essence, required that you really brake before zipping into turns).


:( Aww i can't take this punishment, what did i do to deserve it?? Anybody else having trouble procuring a PStwo these days??? What the F- is with this worldwide shortage of consoles, man???

Anybody??? I'm calling Ebgames. Gonna make sure they got my correct phone number and stuff. Tomorrow WILL BE two weeks I've been waiting TO PLAY THIS FRICKING GAME!!!1one.

-GuyNamedJohn
^, or just simply "John"
^, or just simply "GNJ"

:)

p.s. If there is a topic around addressing the critical hardware shortage in PStwo consoles could somebody pls direct me to it - thx.
 
I also like the newer physics because it does seem more realistic in many ways, but I have two major issues that annoy me to no end about the rally in GT4: Even though ice and snow ARE going to be slippery and hard to maneuver, that's why there are specially designed tires that gain what little traction can be had. I'm a huge rally fan and i'm not exactly sure, but snow tires are thinner and dig down to the more solid ground, and i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that ice tires have small studs for the ice challenges. So GT4 slightly missed that. And I've quickly adapted to the new physics, but another thing that gets to me is, it seems that no matter what car you're in, the opponent is almost ALWAYS right behind you. And it's annoying, especially in the snow rallies, how it's very difficult for you to maintain speed and control while drifting, and then the other car is taking the apex of the turn with seemingly no difficulty keeping traction. That seems unfair to somebody trying not to drive like a jerk in an SUV speeding ahead to get in front of you before the turn off narrows to one lane on the freeway... On a lighter note, get in an older (sixties-seventies) convertible and go to a photo session at a track. Then zoom in on the driver's goofy smile. His smile always makes me smile...
 
Personally, the biggest disappointment in GT3's rally courses was that Smokey Mountain's first stretch was all paved road. I loved it in GT2 when everything was all dirty. I thought it was cool kicking up dirt at high speeds and then just ripping it out all over the course. It's my favorite GT rally course (tied with Tahiti Circuit). Rally racing is much different from road racing. If you had a good road racing car, the Special Stage Route 5 Wet races are only a joke. If you played GT3, you may remember the rally test that made you Takumi Fujiwara for a day- a Super License test in a white Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex racing SSR5 (Wet Course).

To me, rally racing is actually much tougher than road racing. What a WRC team faces in three days of competition is about the equivalent of toughness as a team competiting in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. GT4 rallying is hard, but it isn't impossible. Impossible is beating the Time Trial times in PS2's "Le Mans 24 Hours" game. Take it from me. I nearly beat a Goal Time, but only so close. And I tried everything. Low fuel (for light weight), Sprint engine, softest tires, balanced gear setup... and STILL failed. That track I nearly beat a Time Trial time? Suzuka - East Circuit.

I don't know what the GT4 rally experience is like, but I'll express my favorites. My favorite handling car is the Peugeot 206 WRC. The Citroen Xsara Rally Car in GT3 is about the only rally car that sounds intimidating.
 

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