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Is GT Sport Actually GT7? Kaz Himself Responds (Video)
- Thread starter MtorWorldHype
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- bunguang
I would like to say something, about my disappointment on GTS...in 3 ways:
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TBH, THE GT I love is a driving simulator, not a racing simulator
and I am a driver, an auto fan, but not a GT3 racer
I enjoy driving with my dream car, like enzo, 488 or 918, on some mind-blowing tracks and take some beautiful photos.
BUT, I don't want to spend all day on some GT3 racing events, with some race cars.
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I love car collecting.
I love collecting all kinds of car, not only the super car, the race car, the sport car, but also some classic cars, some normal car.
the lack of cars really disappoint me...
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I love single player race / career event.
maybe sometimes I would like to have some race with my friends online, but I still want some private spare time, which I can drive the car only with myself (or with AI).
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TBH, THE GT I love is a driving simulator, not a racing simulator
and I am a driver, an auto fan, but not a GT3 racer
I enjoy driving with my dream car, like enzo, 488 or 918, on some mind-blowing tracks and take some beautiful photos.
BUT, I don't want to spend all day on some GT3 racing events, with some race cars.
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I love car collecting.
I love collecting all kinds of car, not only the super car, the race car, the sport car, but also some classic cars, some normal car.
the lack of cars really disappoint me...
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I love single player race / career event.
maybe sometimes I would like to have some race with my friends online, but I still want some private spare time, which I can drive the car only with myself (or with AI).
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- bunguang
I am not sure what kaz is thinking. The cooperation with FIA is great, BUT I think that not every GT player try to be professional racer, right?
Like me, the reason I love GT is that I can drive some cars I can't afford in real life. I can feel the steering, the sound wave of each car in the game.
Just like topgear, topgear is so popular, and it's not only for racer, but all kinds of auto fan can have fun watching the show.
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Polyphony may be doing just what Microsoft did with Windows 8. They wholeheartedly think, it is the future, but then users rebel and protest. Gran Turismo Sport is a good game, but for long term, I don't think it is. I would like a full featured Gran Turismo with cars ranging from small 40HP cars to 500HP Ferraris, the career mode, and all the original tracks.
Wait.. Does that mean GT is heading the same way?
Nah.. They will go back to their original formula and carefully blend in some of the new stuff in a future game, making it a game for all.
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- sandyskids3
@syntex123 you are blowing up my alerts and emailsStill greater than the Top Gear we have today..
lol
I have my days when I go crazy on here.. 
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- sandyskids3
@syntex123 we start getting back on topic
I would like to see at least 200 more and I'd be happy
Im not!
I would like to see at least 200 more and I'd be happy
DLR_Mysterion
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- sandyskids3
Honestly I think they would
This game is kinda a big deal
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- Germany
I know what you mean. But the problem is not just the number of the cars. It seems they cut most of the features of GT6 which includes Cars, Tracks, Career Mode, Dynamic Weather/Time, Track Editor, maybe Tuning.....
As writed above already, i also don't want to drive online GT3 races all the time.
I know, that's the problem with PD....they don't do what the players want. GT4 was the best GT ever, after that the mistakes begun. GT5 was just a half game, GT6 was alot better but by far not what the players expected....and with GT Sport they make it even worse.
For sure some players will buy the game but i'm pretty sure the sales won't even reach GT6 because a lots of players are just disappointed ( me included ).
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It is the GT3 class that probably most of the manufacturer in modern motor sport have joined.
So, GT3 (Gr.3) cars for the manufacturer fan cup will be many.
Lack cars is unfortunate.
But, it is true that they have heard the voice of the player.
"No More Skylines, RX-7s, S2000s, and standard cars. All of the cars in the interior!"
These are the voices from the part of the player. PD has adopted it.
Their work is slow. We need to look at the long period of time
Neomone
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I don't think it's necessary that they do what the players want. However, if they choose not to do the obvious things to allow the players to have fun, I do think it's necessary that whatever they replace it with be at least equivalently fun.
Are the traditional Gran Turismo players going to have lots of fun with a small car list dominated by fantasy cars, a small number of tracks, and limited features outside of a highly competitive online mode? Some might, but I'd say the majority probably won't. People probably started playing Gran Turismo for the opposite reasons.
I think it's a shame that GT5 wasn't a new and improved GT3, and that GT6 wasn't a new and improved GT4. GTS isn't even in the same playing field, it might as well be a different game series.
When I think about how far the Gran Turismo formula could have come in the 12 years since GT4, I get a little sad. GT4 was a fantastic game, but it shouldn't still be the best of the bunch in 2016.
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- RobUrabus
there are a LOT of you commenting about what's "gone", but you're failing to see what you do actually have.
"Offline Career" appears to be gone. Yes,
It has NEVER been anything but a grind-fest to unlock stuff.
for 95% of gamers out there, we don;t want a grind fest.
I just want to load up the game, buy a bloody Ferrari 430 Scuderia and drive it.
Does that mean Offline Racing against new AI (Arcade Mode), TT and Free Run modes are gone.
NO.
Look at Arcade racing in GT6
You can come up with ANY class/ style of racing you want with Offline Arcade.
Based on your choice of car (even courtesy cars) the game matches suitable AI.
that covers 99.9% of the "Career" Mode as we have known it.
How many of you REALLLY Care that the same Sunday Cup race at Autumn Ring Mini, that gives you the SAME old prize car, measley amount of cash and a couple of gold stars, Is gone? Truly?
YOu can still have that race.
pick your Honda Jazz, Got to Arcade Mode, select the track, AI difficulty and number of laps.
Done. it is the EXACT SAME EVENT.
Neomone
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You're making stuff up. I'm not failing to see what is available in GTS, but short of an FIA sticker and the incredible photo mode it appears to be stuff that I have available in multiple other games already.
Yes, but up until GT4 it was progressing and getting better (mostly). A Spec points were a good start at giving alternative goals to those who want to push themselves.
The fact that past efforts at a career have been poor doesn't mean it can't be done in an interesting and engaging way. I like the idea of a zero to hero career where I buy and build my own cars, I think that sounds fantastic. That's what Gran Turismo has been trying to do, they just haven't got it right yet. I'm sad that they've given up entirely.
As disappointed as I am with the "career" modes in GT5 and GT6, I still would like to see them take another try at it. Especially if they go entirely back to the drawing board and reference the original GT1 designs.
Nobody said they were gone?
But woo, how exciting. With the tiny car list. Why play GTS over AC if this is what you're going to do? AC has limitations too, but one of it's strengths is that it's really good at hotlapping and setting up single races. In all likelihood AC will have a bigger car and track list, and half of them won't be imaginary.
It does not cover the career mode, because you don't understand what a career mode is. It's something where you work through limitations and obstacles to achieve a goal. Gran Turismo often hasn't offered much in the way of limitations and obstacles, but that's bad design more than anything else. Everyone can think of at least one race where they worked bloody hard to finish it and felt proud afterwards.
The AC career mode is boring and uninspired as well, but at least I have to race my giblets off to finish well when I set the AI at an appropriate level. It's a good start, and it's a nice thing to have to work through on a cold night when I don't feel like racing against the 12 year olds on the internets.
I think you're missing the point. Nobody wants the same old game over again. That's why so many people disliked GT6. But the idea behind the game was still a good one, even if the execution was poor. GTS feels awfully like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I would say that what Gran Turismo fans are waiting for is a true successor and upgrade to GT4. A game that had many problems, but was highly engaging. GTS has thrown that all away to become a true successor to the likes of GTR2, GTL, Race '07, and Project CARS. Gran Turismo: The iRacing Edition is a big step away from anything the franchise has done before.
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- Johnnypenso
You sound like a cook trying to convince me that chili made with chicken and ketchup is the same as chili made with a mixture of german sausage, ground steak and fresh tomatos. How did GT sell 75 million copies if it's formula doesn't appeal to 95% of gamers? Don't confuse what you want with what has been successful so far.
What most people want is obvious progression in a game. Yes, many other people are perfectly happy with a sandbox and little else to have fun but you only have to look at history to see what is most popular, games that take the player on a progressive journey in some way. Would most people enjoy GTA games with no set missions, no story arc, just "Here is a map, here are your tools, have fun?" How about a Final Fantasy game where from the very start you can go anywhere you like, build up your characters and fight monsters but never have any progressive story and levelling? I'd imagine not so many.
Personally I am sick and tired of the GT offline formula and I did want to see big changes in GTS, I just didn't expect or hope for that change to be almost entire removal. Now you either need to be someone that does just get by with a sandbox and tools (beyond the Campaign mode which offers a small sense of progr) or in the PVP arena online.
For those that enjoy the single player progression GT was built upon, however badly, there is a big hole. As @Johnnypenso says 75 million players didn't buy GT for a plain sandbox. Even some of it's biggest fans on this forum you'll see they love doing the same thing each game.
Personally I am sick and tired of the GT offline formula and I did want to see big changes in GTS, I just didn't expect or hope for that change to be almost entire removal. Now you either need to be someone that does just get by with a sandbox and tools (beyond the Campaign mode which offers a small sense of progr) or in the PVP arena online.
For those that enjoy the single player progression GT was built upon, however badly, there is a big hole. As @Johnnypenso says 75 million players didn't buy GT for a plain sandbox. Even some of it's biggest fans on this forum you'll see they love doing the same thing each game.
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I personally prefer games that offer emergent experiences from a set of interacting behaviours and systems, but I do enjoy a good story (in that way that some games are the story; I'm not really a fan of exposition and cut scenes etc.). The GT Mode was a bit of both, but only really in the beginning. After that the sense of progress disappears and it's a simple case of box ticking (like clearing game maps of icons) with the only emergent experiences being on a race by race basis; the significance of a given race on what follows is diminished by being filthy rich.
As for progression, I strongly disliked the tone of the Race Driver approach, although the concept has merit - it could be fun as a secondary game mode, perhaps as an extension of GT Academy in some way. I don't think every game should offer that rags to riches dream, however popular it is to starry-eyed youngsters and even the glazed eyes of those that missed the boat, and however much revenue said dreams might lure from sweaty palms.
What I personally liked about the GT mode was the compromise required in the early stages, due to cash and licence restrictions. That disappears with a story mode as typically implemented (predetermined gating of content), it disappears with a sandbox (no gating of content) and it won't be present in the new Sport mode or any of the challenges, I'd wager.
So if we're to be clamouring for a return of GT's single player experience, I believe we need to think carefully about whether it's better to copy what has been done, or to really zero in on what makes the GT mode experience so engaging at the start.
As for progression, I strongly disliked the tone of the Race Driver approach, although the concept has merit - it could be fun as a secondary game mode, perhaps as an extension of GT Academy in some way. I don't think every game should offer that rags to riches dream, however popular it is to starry-eyed youngsters and even the glazed eyes of those that missed the boat, and however much revenue said dreams might lure from sweaty palms.
What I personally liked about the GT mode was the compromise required in the early stages, due to cash and licence restrictions. That disappears with a story mode as typically implemented (predetermined gating of content), it disappears with a sandbox (no gating of content) and it won't be present in the new Sport mode or any of the challenges, I'd wager.
So if we're to be clamouring for a return of GT's single player experience, I believe we need to think carefully about whether it's better to copy what has been done, or to really zero in on what makes the GT mode experience so engaging at the start.
Neomone
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Very much this. The game is by far at it's best at the beginning where choices and cash are limited. Do you buy a used car and spend some cash on it? Do you spend all your money on something new? Do you buy a car that is less optimal that can be used in multiple races, or are you better with specialist cars?
I think there's a few ways that one could use the fact that this "early game" is actually pretty engaging, and extend or duplicate that over a whole game. I don't know if they'd work, but it'd be interesting if someone were to do it. The early game of GT1 through 4 is awesome.
Neomone
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Firstly, I didn't ask a question.
Secondly, Kaz is talking complete rubbish in that section. GT1 and GT3 were considerably shorter games than either GT5 or GT6. And it's absolutely still possible to make and sell games that have hundreds of hours of gameplay. GTA V. The Witcher 3. MGS V. Fallout 4. And so on.
Even if he wants to make a shorter game (which is a valid choice, but not for the reasons he gives), it's still totally possible to build something involving the core concepts and gameplay that the early stages of old GT games had. You know, if the designer wants to. Kaz obviously doesn't want to, but he'd rather pussy foot around excuses than come out and say "that's not the game I want to make any more".
