Is it just a matter of time until GT gets the F1 licence, or will it never happen?

[Faria0808]

GT5 Don't have FULL WRC and Nascar licence, they have the licence to use the logo, and 4 cars, just it. End

And, If GT5 gets F1 licence, will be just 3, or 4 different cars, like WRC licence... with one or two new tracks, belive me
PD don't have a few extra millions, just to get F1 licence

Soo, it's impossible, FOM will NEVER allow just a few cars

0% or 100%

 

[AussieStig117]

actually it does in real life and this is said by Sebastian Vettel 2010 world champion

especially for the 2010 cars because they have a very slippery rear and a very grippy front and for the most part the Slicks are very very grippy so you can expect to just loose the car quite easily.

F2007 is a much easier car it still has wheel fairings and a wider rear wing

Both f10 and f2007 have very different aerodynamic rules.

It's more a snap, not a slide/drift. There's nothing wrong with the F1's sliding but in this game, but it shouldn't be so slow. F1 cars weight around 620 KG (with driver) and they have around 700-800B hp, with stats like that you can already tell that it's going to lose grip very fast.

 

[AussieStig117]

GT5 Don't have FULL WRC and Nascar licence, they have the licence to use the logo, and 4 cars, just it. End

And, If GT5 gets F1 licence, will be just 3, or 4 different cars, like WRC licence... with one or two new tracks, belive me

Not really. They can have as many cars as they wont, as long as they buy the lisence to each car.

 

[RB6]

It's more a snap, not a slide/drift. There's nothing wrong with the F1's sliding but in this game, but it shouldn't be so slow. F1 cars weight around 620 KG (with driver) and they have around 700-800B hp, with stats like that you can already tell that it's going to lose grip very fast.

ill explain it to you very quickly

you see the 2010 cars have a very grippy front and a very slippery rear

It is a very light / powerful car so the slicks are relying on the downforce of the car for it to grip

the thing is having most grip on the front is having the slicks even grip more on the front

having a lot less grip on the rear is just about having the slicks grip less on the rear

it feels like snap on when it lets go if its your first time but pretty soon if you are motivated enough like a real f1 driver you will see how it is

I've actually lapped Suzuka on practice (full tank) in 127.880 i've also made it to 126.909 when I was practicing the whole day with 10 litres of refueling each 3 laps.

A bit faster than real life without the G loads and the caring driver I have to say

also in GT5 all fuel tanks are the same so the F10 doesn't have a 160 kg load worth of fuel for 53 laps it only has some 100 litres for 20-30 laps and I guess that's 100 kg in their calculation

 

[AussieStig117]

ill explain it to you very quickly

you see the 2010 cars have a very grippy front and a very slippery rear

It is a very light / powerful car so the slicks are relying on the downforce of the car for it to grip

the thing is having most grip on the front is having the slicks even grip more on the front

having a lot less grip on the rear is just about having the slicks grip less on the rear

it feels like snap on when it lets go if its your first time but pretty soon if you are motivated enough like a real f1 driver you will see how it is

I've actually lapped Suzuka on practice (full tank) in 127.880 i've even made it to 126.909 when I was practicing the whole day with 10 litres of refueling each 3 laps

I'm not a total idiot, I understand how it works.

Anyway...Does anyone else hate the fact that you can't change the steering wheel settings for this game? You can't have an F1 in a game and expect to be steering double of what's on the screen. It's horrible, it doesn't feel right having my arms fully crossed going through turns that should be half that.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

you see the 2010 cars have a very grippy front and a very slippery rear

I doubt that. Compared to the 2009 cars, its just the total opposite. It has a reason why alot of drivers are looking forward to the new Pirelli tires with a stronger front compound.

 

[RB6]

I'm not a total idiot, I understand how it works.

Anyway...Does anyone else hate the fact that you can't change the steering wheel settings for this game? You can't have an F1 in a game and expect to be steering double of what's on the screen. It's horrible, it doesn't feel right having my arms fully crossed going through turns that should be half that.

first you said they were so slow so I responded and im not saying you are an idiot.


also Ive been to all F1 gp tracks in GT5 - Cote , Suzuka , Nurburgring GP , Monza, Fuji

in cote for sure you on the hairpin you won't be doing it without crossing both hands if you don't enter at the right pace. But you can do it without crossing , also if you are having problems then let them cross the normal way and just do more steering

In nurburgring GP the first corner you might have problems with that too but you won't if you do it right.

in suzuka the after bridge corner is quite tight but you won't need to cross your hands if you do it right.

The key is to do it right. If not I cannot say anything about steering setting because it isn't in the game.

 

[RB6]

I doubt that. Compared to the 2009 cars, its just the total opposite. It has a reason why alot of drivers are looking forward to the new Pirelli tires with a stronger front compound.

2009 / 2010 have same aerodynamic rules and same slicks

its the 2008 and under I think you are talking about.

The pirelli's should be great for 2011

 

[RB6]

So pretty much the key is motivation , if you cant motivate yourself like an F1 driver to drive an F1 car then you will be crashing a lot before you get past a yard stick.

 

[skylinefx]

They won't get the License for at least another year...
As much as I love F1, I don't want PD to get the License because they haven't even got all the F1 circuits and they can't make an in depth racing game... They haven't properly made NASCAR and WRC.

 

[t.o.]

I'm not a total idiot, I understand how it works.

Anyway...Does anyone else hate the fact that you can't change the steering wheel settings for this game? You can't have an F1 in a game and expect to be steering double of what's on the screen. It's horrible, it doesn't feel right having my arms fully crossed going through turns that should be half that.

I change my steering ratio all the time. I don't understand what you mean. You can change it to whatever you want.

 

[AussieStig117]

I change my steering ratio all the time. I don't understand what you mean. You can change it to whatever you want.

In GT5? Steering linearity it's called, and it basicly change the ratio. If you know how to do it in GT5, do tell

 

[t.o.]

In GT5? Steering linearity it's called, and it basicly change the ratio. If you know how to do it in GT5, do tell

My bad, meant to come back and correct this. I'm changing the ratio from my Fanatec wheel, not from in-game. I keep forgetting this detail. lol

 

[AussieStig117]

My bad, meant to come back and correct this. I'm changing the ratio from my Fanatec wheel, not from in-game. I keep forgetting this detail. lol

Damn, you got my hopes up... I can't remember a single racing game from the past 5-6 years that didn't have the option to change the steering linearity.

 

[Stephen220378]

its funny to see a video of Lewis Hamilton and Nick Hamilton playing F1 2010 just to get paid by codemaster's worth a year profit and then trash the game.

Speaking of simulation they have used data simulation they've used in the Ferrari F10 to then be in GT5 also with Sebastian Vettel exclusivity to the simulation I mean he's developed Ferrari F10's simulation and now he's world champion!

Ferrari allowed PD to use its simulation data not car data so if you have any questions about Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull being a part of the simulation development then too bad because F1 2010 is as hideous as it can be although I do like the damage modeling but for a focused F1 game it still just hideous for what it is.

Drives absolute rubbishness it is one of the all time horrid F1 games.

Like what Sebastian have always said that the Ferrari F10 in GT5 have always been like a real F1 car to him its one of the all time greats

Look, you've already proved before that you really know nothing about F1 or video games that represent F1, this equally dumb post just clarifies this fact even more so. So do yourself and everyone else who reads this thread a favour and just give up. Have you ever heard the saying, when you're in a hole, stop digging?

 

[t.o.]

When I was doing this race I was having a whole bunch of fun. Say what you will about F1 2010 it's a fun and enjoyable game.

 

[dj-smurph]

I can see it now the adverts calling out to all and sundry. " coming soon f1 2015 due autumn 2020

 

[Tommy_861]

GT5 Don't have FULL WRC and Nascar licence, they have the licence to use the logo, and 4 cars, just it. End

And, If GT5 gets F1 licence, will be just 3, or 4 different cars, like WRC licence... with one or two new tracks, belive me
PD don't have a few extra millions, just to get F1 licence

Soo, it's impossible, FOM will NEVER allow just a few cars

0% or 100%

No, they do have full licenses, they just only put a small selection of cars and tracks from each in the game because its NOT a NASCAR game nor is it a WRC game.

 

[Stephen220378]

GT5 Don't have FULL WRC and Nascar licence, they have the licence to use the logo, and 4 cars, just it. End

And, If GT5 gets F1 licence, will be just 3, or 4 different cars, like WRC licence... with one or two new tracks, belive me
PD don't have a few extra millions, just to get F1 licence

Soo, it's impossible, FOM will NEVER allow just a few cars

0% or 100%

Right I'll put an abrupt end to your verbal diarrhoea right now. You said PD don't have the extra millions for an F1 licence, well PD are owned by Sony, as in PD don't pay a penny towards anything, Sony pay the cash for game development, licences, everything regarding their game (yes Sony's game, not PD's game). So quit this PD don't have the money crap because it's just absolute nonsense mate

 

[Tommy_861]

Right I'll put an abrupt end to your verbal diarrhoea right now. You said PD don't have the extra millions for an F1 licence, well PD are owned by Sony, as in PD don't pay a penny towards anything, Sony pay the cash for game development, licences, everything regarding their game (yes Sony's game, not PD's game). So quit this PD don't have the money crap because it's just absolute nonsense mate

Wasn't GT5 like the most expensive game of all time, cost somewhere around 60 million to produce. I'd say the F1 license is probably peanuts compared to that.

 

[advan031]

I pray for this as I want to drive te Brawn GP car and Mclaren cars

 

[Shinzah]

Right I'll put an abrupt end to your verbal diarrhoea right now. You said PD don't have the extra millions for an F1 licence, well PD are owned by Sony, as in PD don't pay a penny towards anything, Sony pay the cash for game development, licences, everything regarding their game (yes Sony's game, not PD's game). So quit this PD don't have the money crap because it's just absolute nonsense mate

Right, I'll put an abrupt end to your verbal diarrhea right here. PD is a Subsidy, like Bungie is a subsidy of Microsoft. In some cases PD actually has to pay Sony.

Sony does not pay for EVERYTHING. Internal development costs are revenue'd by PD using its own fund pile. A large fund pile, given their previous titles. PD is still a company, and as a company, still has to pay many of its own costs and recoup the costs spent. Otherwise it would be called Sony Computer Entertainment, Japan Polyphony Division.


It would be like if Halo had really bad sales. Microsoft would be unaffected not having spent a gregarious amount of money, but the development studio (Bungie) would have to liquidate their own assets. Its because of THIS business practices that both PD and Bungie, among other first party developers, have considered breaking their subsidy agreement at the risk of a hostile takeover from the parent company.


Also, PD and Sony already know how difficult a license for F1 is. They've done it before, with many many staff members from PD working on Championship Edition, from Sony's INTERNAL Liverpool development house.

 

[Stephen220378]

Wasn't GT5 like the most expensive game of all time, cost somewhere around 60 million to produce. I'd say the F1 license is probably peanuts compared to that.

I don't know if it actually is the most expensive game production wise for a fact but it's definitely one of the most expensive games at the very least. And you're right, the F1 licence will be a drop in the ocean, especially if Formula One Group take a percentage of the profits made from the game/games, instead of a straight one off payment for the licence.

 

[Shinzah]

GTA4 I believe holds the record for the most expensive budget at 100mil. GT5 is in second or third at 80mil. (From Eurogamer and Escapist.)

 

[Stephen220378]

Right, I'll put an abrupt end to your verbal diarrhea right here. PD is a Subsidy, like Bungie is a subsidy of Microsoft. In some cases PD actually has to pay Sony.

Sony does not pay for EVERYTHING. Internal development costs are revenue'd by PD using its own fund pile. A large fund pile, given their previous titles. PD is still a company, and as a company, still has to pay many of its own costs and recoup the costs spent. Otherwise it would be called Sony Computer Entertainment, Japan Polyphony Division.


It would be like if Halo had really bad sales. Microsoft would be unaffected not having spent a gregarious amount of money, but the development studio (Bungie) would have to liquidate their own assets. Its because of THIS business practices that both PD and Bungie, among other first party developers, have considered breaking their subsidy agreement at the risk of a hostile takeover from the parent company.


Also, PD and Sony already know how difficult a license for F1 is. They've done it before, with many many staff members from PD working on Championship Edition, from Sony's INTERNAL Liverpool development house.

Maybe, just maybe you want to look into your claims a bit deeper because they're wrong.

"A large fund pile" provided by who? Yeah you've guessed it already.

By the way, I work as an area manager for a subsidiary of a multi-national company (American owned as it would happen) I'm well aware of how the ins and outs of a business structure like this works and if you would care to discuss and debate it further I'd be happy to oblige. Just not on a GT5 video game forum, but please do feel free to PM me anytime or maybe there's a more appropriate forum on GT Planet?

 

[Shinzah]

Well you could probably enlighten me, I'm only going by what I know after working in both the videogames and in the auto industry both for subsidized companies. I was never in an upper tier capacity, but I know that funding, even when you work for a multi million dollar company, is still a huge problem for its subsidy's.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

So pretty much the key is motivation , if you cant motivate yourself like an F1 driver to drive an F1 car then you will be crashing a lot before you get past a yard stick.

You still don`t get me. I have no problems with driving F1 cars in GT5, I love it. Few days ago, I raced my F2007 portet from GTPSP 100 laps around Suzuka because it feels good. I got no money, no XP, no leaderbord competition, but it still made fun.

I just don`t want that PD makes the new F1 dedicated games. CM is doing there job great, it was their first try! Even with AI you can have alot of great races, the physics are pretty challenging if you turn all assists off (like real f1), online racing is alot of fun and -maybe the most important aspect of a f1 game- the presentation is great. The engine sounds are much better then GT5, the cockpit view makes everything much more entertaining, the enviroment graphics aren`t that good but the tracks are much more detailed (bumps!). Just drive around Monaco in F12010 and GT5... I hope you will get what I mean, in GT5 the track seems to be too smooth.

 

[Stephen220378]

Well you could probably enlighten me, I'm only going by what I know after working in both the videogames and in the auto industry both for subsidized companies. I was never in an upper tier capacity, but I know that funding, even when you work for a multi million dollar company, is still a huge problem for its subsidy's.

I've no doubt we could probably enlighten each other with facts, figures and statistics. When it all comes down to reality though, Sony, as the parent company has complete control over what happens, subsidiaries that are formed are merely a way of delegating certain aspects and interests of a business to a dedicated management company. Money plays a part, as you pointed out earlier, but essentially the money belongs to the parent company.

 

[BigMackAttack]

I wake up, see my thread is on the top with 100+ replies. I was like

"Great! Ill see how my wonderful discussion is going."
Then I see its turned into a F1 2010 Vs. Gran Turismo 5 arguement. Im then like

 

[Stephen220378]

I wake up, see my thread is on the top with 100+ replies. I was like

"Great! Ill see how my wonderful discussion is going."
Then I see its turned into a F1 2010 Vs. Gran Turismo 5 arguement. Im then like

Well you started it, you mentioned GT5 and F1. You've no one to blame but yourself sir.