Is It Worth It To Buy A Whole Set-Up Or Wait For GT7?

[MSX]

For what it's worth, @coryclifford & Haulin_Hebrew, you both (along with everyone else) have been exceptionally helpful. I'm not sure where the minor hostility came from, as it isn't that serious. As I mentioned in my previous post, I could always sell the wheel for the same price I bought it for or $20-30 less (big deal). Again, something I should have thought about before making the thread.

Anyway, I'm not concerned about online play at all, to be completely honest. I play a lot of fighting games and online latency has completely ruined competitive gaming online for me. Perhaps I'll join a league of very organized clean racing but if it ends up being a janky, unrealistic experience (like I see in the Youtube videos...could be my terrible laptop, though), then I'm not even going to bother with it.

If the AI is as terrible as people make it out to be, then I will simply devote my time towards setting and beating world records.

 

[Kipper_34]

If you don't have GT6 right now, I'd wait it out. Like some others have said, when GT7 comes out on PS4, the console will be cheaper and they may have a GT7 bundle pack. Right now I just have the Logitech Driving Force GT, and I can tell you that a wheel makes the game so much more enjoyable after play GT1-GT4 with a controller.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I'm not sure where the minor hostility came from, as it isn't that serious.

Notice your post went two pages until coryclifford comes out of left field, with negative post directed at me as if I were trying to mislead you or something, when you said you bought a G27 I said happy Driving, and gave you a couple of links to help you tune for GT6. but I also gave a video just in case you changed your mind about the G27. He never addressed you once in response to your initial question, He never offered you one suggestion to help you. He came out in defense of Logitech as if he is a major share holder or something, then lies and pretends as if his motives was your defense, He is where the hostility come from, but I'm done with it, Enjoy your new G27 and system MSX, you will have a blast with GT6, I know I did.

 

[MSX]

Notice your post went two pages until coryclifford comes out of left field, with negative post directed at me as if I were trying to mislead you or something, when you said you bought a G27 I said happy Driving, and gave you a couple of links to help you tune for GT6. but I also gave a video just in case you changed your mind about the G27. He never addressed you once in response to your initial question, He never offered you one suggestion to help you. He came out in defense of Logitech as if he is a major share holder or something, then lies and pretends as if his motives was your defense, He is where the hostility come from, but I'm done with it, Enjoy your new G27 and system MSX, you will have a blast with GT6, I know I did.

I'd just drop the whole thing. I asked for help, got exactly what I wanted and now I'm cool. My only problem is, I just want to play.

I forgot to mention that I actually overlooked your post about the Thrustmaster. I saw it after I already purchased the G27. So, who knows, I may get bored tonight and change my mind. I still like and want the quality the G27 offers but I'm about to look at the TM now.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Hi @MSX welcome to GTPlanet! Please ignore any minor spats on this thread - this is a big site with many very passionate people and they all have different views.

If you are buying the wheel new it does make sense to pick one that is PS4 compatible so look carefully at the T150, T300 and G29 - any new wheel that isn't PS4 compatible will collapse in value as the market will be flooded with them when their owners upgrade to PS4 wheels for GT7 (from experience I have seen the price of wheels double in the UK when GT5 and GT6 came out as demand rose so I know the market is very volatile) . Don't rush your decisions because that makes you more likely to make a bad one and you may be stuck with a worthless wheel.

A bit more about the DFGT in case you do decide to go the secondhand route - the wheel is very good, but it does not have flappy paddles - there are buttons on the back of the wheel which line up with your fingers. Some people fit aftermarket flappy paddles made by Gran Turgismo (there are details in the sim hardware section of this site). I did not have a problem with changing gear using those buttons and neither have the many people I know who use that wheel (it is the most commonly used wheel - which makes it madness that it will not be PS4 compatible). It is accepted as being the minimum standard for a wheel (cheaper wheels than this generally do not have force feedback and will therefore lap slower than a hand controller and must be avoided). The foot pedals work fine, but they have almost no resistance - all the money obviously went into the wheel. Some people increase the resistance of the brake pedal with bungee cords, squash balls, bits of tennis ball etc etc and there are threads which cover how to do that on this site and tutorials on youtube. I felt no need to increase the resistance during the time I had a DFGT and used it as standard.

In my view you are coming at this as an enthusiastic novice - rather like I was except I had more road and track experience - for that reason I suggest that you pick up a copy of GT5 as well as GT6. You can only play GT5 offline (i.e. you can't race against other people), but I think it will give you 3 months, or so, of enjoyment. The reason for suggesting this is because it has many license tests, all of which will improve your speed. It includes an excellent feature where you do the Nordschleife (Green Hell) track in sections in gradually faster Mercedes cars. There is also a rally tutorial and a Nascar one. For learning about driving lines via doing license tests it is better than GT6 and as a novice I think you will find it very enjoyable. I'm guessing that you could probably get a copy for about 10$ and it would be a great way to start. there are many tests to complete - it is easy to get bronze, hard as a novice to get silver and some gold levels are very difficult and take a lot of practice.

When you start - don't do so with the intention of racing through and getting gold on everything as quick as possible. If you have a wheel, in my view you should start the game with all driving aids off (with the exception of ABS on 1 and the possible exception of the driving line until you have learnt a good line). The reason is that you will learn how to modulate your throttle position and make your steering inputs smooth and also you will get more feedback from your wheel and a feeling of control - sometimes right on the ragged edge - the driving aids take this away and turn you into a passenger). When you start you can also try doing all the license tests using the interior view, which is generally slower and harder, but more immersive and leaves you with the option to switch off the HUD. When you later start racing with other people you may find you need the bonnet view to get better visibility.

Many of the people who read this site and some who have commented on this thread are unbelievably fast drivers - they are probably too modest to tell you that. I consider myself just an average driver - I have high enthusiasm, but I am not a fast driver - I found some of the driving challenges difficult to achieve gold on (especially in GT5). I found GT6 easier and a less satisfying offline experience than GT5 and it taught a lot less about driving.

So in summary my advice is get both GT5 and GT6. Don't rush either game - savour the experience and spend 3 or 4 months on GT5 then progress on to GT6. When you are getting easy golds in the seasonal time trials start thinking about racing online in one of the many leagues or championships run by GTPlanet members. Mine specialises in classic cars, replicating historic race meetings or series. There are series or one off races to suit every taste in motorsport. I tried online racing on GT5, but found I wasn't fast enough so put in a year of practise then tried again and decided to run my own series.

If you use the public online service in GT6 you are likely to have a bad experience - quick match is best avoided as the other drivers are not interested in clean racing and you just get rammed off the track all the time. The same happens in open lobby which can be full of kids driving the wrong way etc. better to practise alone first then look at the online racing section of GTPlanet and try out different leagues or championships etc till you find one you like. Some of the larger ones have multiple levels - you start in a lower division and progress through as you get faster - this gives you good close racing. Some Hosts run mixed ability rooms, but award license grades - typically the fast drivers will be called Pro and the slower guys Am - the host can even the field with different tyre choices or multi-class etc.

If you enjoy your wheel and GT5 and GT6 you will definitely love online racing on GT6 against good, clean drivers - but that is probably about 6 to 9 months away for you now if you follow my advice.

You can use a shifter with GT5 and GT6 - I don't normally miss shifts, but you won't race with a shifter. I save the shifter for if I want to race in arcade mode in a Shelby Cobra or perhaps do the night race again at Mount Panorama in a Lancia Stratos using interior view and HUD off for maximum realism. I use a Wheelstand Pro with a comfy leather sofa, but I couldn't achieve the perfect shifter placement to match my daily driver so I built an 8 inch wide sofa module to match and fit the shifter (Thrustmaster TH8RS - now superseded by a TH8A).

Regarding stands - I have two friends who bought the Omega - one couldn't adjust its position enough to suit his chair so he had to get another chair, but they are both happy with the stand. I know at least a dozen people with the Wheelstand Pro and I've had two personally and been very happy with it. Some people criticize the design for having a central pole and assume that it will impede use of the heel toe racing technique on three pedals - I don't think they have actually tried it - it doesn't impede me - it's only lack of talent that impedes my heel toe technique, my neighbour who is a proper amateur racer has no difficulty. Some friends use a Wheelstand Pro with an old car seat mounted on a piece of wood and one friend started with that setup then transferred to a full rig.

Finally don't rush anything including your buying decisions - there is plenty of time and it will take a long time and a lot of practise to get good. GT7 will probably not be available until Christmas 2016 at the earliest so you can take your time progressing through the games (Note I have no special knowledge on the release date), but I think you can get a lot of enjoyment from a PS3 until then. Some of the very fast, expert drivers have moved on to PC's or other games on the PS4, but as a novice used to GT on the PS2 I think you will find GT5 and GT6 on the PS3 very enjoyable.

Below my shifter:

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Below my shifter:

Hey MSX, And notice the Thrustmaster has a 7 Speed gear shifter, when the Logitech has only a 6 speed shifter, and if you really like manual transmission driving for Career or Arcade mode, That is something to consider because in some high performance cars there is a seven speed transmissions, of course you can use your paddle shifters, but that is just another option to consider depending on your driving preference.

And If you like LMP, DTM or F1, Autosport, you can add the F1 Flat wheel to the Thrustmaster Servo base

and set your base to 360° of rotation to get an awesome immersive experience for those cars, not mandatory, but a super fun option. Please follow up and let us know your thoughts once you get your G27, you make me want to fire up my PS3 again

 

[MSX]

Hi @MSX welcome to GTPlanet! Please ignore any minor spats on this thread - this is a big site with many very passionate people and they all have different views.

If you are buying the wheel new it does make sense to pick one that is PS4 compatible so look carefully at the T150, T300 and G29 - any new wheel that isn't PS4 compatible will collapse in value as the market will be flooded with them when their owners upgrade to PS4 wheels for GT7 (from experience I have seen the price of wheels double in the UK when GT5 and GT6 came out as demand rose so I know the market is very volatile) . Don't rush your decisions because that makes you more likely to make a bad one and you may be stuck with a worthless wheel.

A bit more about the DFGT in case you do decide to go the secondhand route - the wheel is very good, but it does not have flappy paddles - there are buttons on the back of the wheel which line up with your fingers. Some people fit aftermarket flappy paddles made by Gran Turgismo (there are details in the sim hardware section of this site). I did not have a problem with changing gear using those buttons and neither have the many people I know who use that wheel (it is the most commonly used wheel - which makes it madness that it will not be PS4 compatible). It is accepted as being the minimum standard for a wheel (cheaper wheels than this generally do not have force feedback and will therefore lap slower than a hand controller and must be avoided). The foot pedals work fine, but they have almost no resistance - all the money obviously went into the wheel. Some people increase the resistance of the brake pedal with bungee cords, squash balls, bits of tennis ball etc etc and there are threads which cover how to do that on this site and tutorials on youtube. I felt no need to increase the resistance during the time I had a DFGT and used it as standard.

In my view you are coming at this as an enthusiastic novice - rather like I was except I had more road and track experience - for that reason I suggest that you pick up a copy of GT5 as well as GT6. You can only play GT5 offline (i.e. you can't race against other people), but I think it will give you 3 months, or so, of enjoyment. The reason for suggesting this is because it has many license tests, all of which will improve your speed. It includes an excellent feature where you do the Nordschleife (Green Hell) track in sections in gradually faster Mercedes cars. There is also a rally tutorial and a Nascar one. For learning about driving lines via doing license tests it is better than GT6 and as a novice I think you will find it very enjoyable. I'm guessing that you could probably get a copy for about 10$ and it would be a great way to start. there are many tests to complete - it is easy to get bronze, hard as a novice to get silver and some gold levels are very difficult and take a lot of practice.

When you start - don't do so with the intention of racing through and getting gold on everything as quick as possible. If you have a wheel, in my view you should start the game with all driving aids off (with the exception of ABS on 1 and the possible exception of the driving line until you have learnt a good line). The reason is that you will learn how to modulate your throttle position and make your steering inputs smooth and also you will get more feedback from your wheel and a feeling of control - sometimes right on the ragged edge - the driving aids take this away and turn you into a passenger). When you start you can also try doing all the license tests using the interior view, which is generally slower and harder, but more immersive and leaves you with the option to switch off the HUD. When you later start racing with other people you may find you need the bonnet view to get better visibility.

Many of the people who read this site and some who have commented on this thread are unbelievably fast drivers - they are probably too modest to tell you that. I consider myself just an average driver - I have high enthusiasm, but I am not a fast driver - I found some of the driving challenges difficult to achieve gold on (especially in GT5). I found GT6 easier and a less satisfying offline experience than GT5 and it taught a lot less about driving.

So in summary my advice is get both GT5 and GT6. Don't rush either game - savour the experience and spend 3 or 4 months on GT5 then progress on to GT6. When you are getting easy golds in the seasonal time trials start thinking about racing online in one of the many leagues or championships run by GTPlanet members. Mine specialises in classic cars, replicating historic race meetings or series. There are series or one off races to suit every taste in motorsport. I tried online racing on GT5, but found I wasn't fast enough so put in a year of practise then tried again and decided to run my own series.

If you use the public online service in GT6 you are likely to have a bad experience - quick match is best avoided as the other drivers are not interested in clean racing and you just get rammed off the track all the time. The same happens in open lobby which can be full of kids driving the wrong way etc. better to practise alone first then look at the online racing section of GTPlanet and try out different leagues or championships etc till you find one you like. Some of the larger ones have multiple levels - you start in a lower division and progress through as you get faster - this gives you good close racing. Some Hosts run mixed ability rooms, but award license grades - typically the fast drivers will be called Pro and the slower guys Am - the host can even the field with different tyre choices or multi-class etc.

If you enjoy your wheel and GT5 and GT6 you will definitely love online racing on GT6 against good, clean drivers - but that is probably about 6 to 9 months away for you now if you follow my advice.

You can use a shifter with GT5 and GT6 - I don't normally miss shifts, but you won't race with a shifter. I save the shifter for if I want to race in arcade mode in a Shelby Cobra or perhaps do the night race again at Mount Panorama in a Lancia Stratos using interior view and HUD off for maximum realism. I use a Wheelstand Pro with a comfy leather sofa, but I couldn't achieve the perfect shifter placement to match my daily driver so I built an 8 inch wide sofa module to match and fit the shifter (Thrustmaster TH8RS - now superseded by a TH8A).

Regarding stands - I have two friends who bought the Omega - one couldn't adjust its position enough to suit his chair so he had to get another chair, but they are both happy with the stand. I know at least a dozen people with the Wheelstand Pro and I've had two personally and been very happy with it. Some people criticize the design for having a central pole and assume that it will impede use of the heel toe racing technique on three pedals - I don't think they have actually tried it - it doesn't impede me - it's only lack of talent that impedes my heel toe technique, my neighbour who is a proper amateur racer has no difficulty. Some friends use a Wheelstand Pro with an old car seat mounted on a piece of wood and one friend started with that setup then transferred to a full rig.

Finally don't rush anything including your buying decisions - there is plenty of time and it will take a long time and a lot of practise to get good. GT7 will probably not be available until Christmas 2016 at the earliest so you can take your time progressing through the games (Note I have no special knowledge on the release date), but I think you can get a lot of enjoyment from a PS3 until then. Some of the very fast, expert drivers have moved on to PC's or other games on the PS4, but as a novice used to GT on the PS2 I think you will find GT5 and GT6 on the PS3 very enjoyable.

Below my shifter:

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Unfortunately, I already bought the G27. I really don't mind that it isn't PS4 compatible. I do like that it's PS2 compatible, so I can continue playing GT4 if I wanted. If I suspect GT7 coming out sooner than I'm expecting (late 2016, early - mid 2017), I'll set money aside for it. Or I'll just buy it next month or something for the hell of it...but that money should be use towards a real 328i or A4 -- the cars I'd love to have IRL.

You're correct, I'm indeed a novice. I have no experience in handling a car with serious power. The only standard trans I've tried out was my aunt's 05 Corolla -- which the catch point of the clutch was terrible and getting into first gear was difficult even for her Husband (who's a mechanic). I have a lot of love and respect for standard transmission vehicles, it's a lost art imo. If it weren't for standard transmission, I probably wouldn't have developed such a huge interest in High Performance Driving.

I'll definitely pick up a copy of GT5, I was lowkey thinking about it as a "just because" purchase. I look forward to the license tests (ran through the ones in GT4 fairly quickly, so hopefully GT5 & 6 offer a true challenge).
You made GT5 sound like a blast, so I'm excited to try it out. I'm assuming I can transfer my car to GT6 (I won't be surprised if I can't), so that's cool.
Is there anything else I can do to learn more about driving lines? I watch a lot of videos but I'm running out of things to search. Plus, a lot of the videos are tutorials that say the same exact thing.

Driving aids were planned to be off. I want to be in full control, which is why I hate automatic transmission vehicles. *I* want to drive the car, I don't need help. The way you have to monitor the speed in which you depress the clutch while paying attention to the road, traffic, speed, accelerating, breaking and shifting while driving a standard transmission is awesome. I was hoping to experience that in these games.

I'm enthusastic myself but I love a good challenge -- even though I get frustrated sometimes. It helps that I'm persistant because I really will dedicate all my free time and complete attention to something if my desire for it is deep enough. I'm going to love attempting to beat online times.

That's a good idea, I'll go with that plan (3-5 months on GT5 -- then 6). No need to rush, all I have is free time. Besides, you can't rush perfection.

Your post was very helpful and I appreciate you taking time out of your day to type that. I'll be re-reading a couple bits of it to embed the information in my head, so know your time was not wasted.

That shifter is nice btw. I like how it's in the couch.

Hey MSX, And notice the Thrustmaster has a 7 Speed gear shifter, when the Logitech has only a 6 speed shifter, and if you really like manual transmission driving for Career or Arcade mode, That is something to consider because in some high performance cars there is a seven speed transmissions, of course you can use your paddle shifters, but that is just another option to consider depending on your driving preference.

And If you like LMP, DTM or F1, Autosport, you can add the F1 Flat wheel to the Thrustmaster Servo base
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and set your base to 360° of rotation to get an awesome immersive experience for those cars, not mandatory, but a super fun option. Please follow up and let us know your thoughts once you get your G27, you make me want to fire up my PS3 again

Man...I need that 7 speed lol. I never liked the idea of paddle shifters, to be completely honest. I've never tried one out, though.

 

[Football67611]

PS4 and play Project cars until GT7, you will be happy!

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Man...I need that 7 speed lol. I never liked the idea of paddle shifters, to be completely honest. I've never tried one out, though

LOL!!!


You are going to love the Paddle Shifters especially in Super Cars because that's what they come with in real life, But when driving cars with a 5-6 or 7 speed manual nothing beats a H-pattern shifter or Sequential Shifter for Race Cars for full immersion. I'm debating whether to repurchase Xbox One Console with Non-FFB Thrustmaster 458 Spider Now for FM6, Or the The T300 Ferrari Integral Racing Wheel Alcantara Edition for my PS4, because Project CARS Just got some new tracks and cars, and I was up until 3:00am running it. Or I could buy the T150 with the T3PA I could save $169.00 but I love LMP, DTM and F1, and I want that Flat F1 Wheel, decision, decisions, decisions.

49 Minutes later' Just found out The T300 Ferrari Integral Racing Wheel Alcantara Edition will not be released until Dec 2015 well I guess that's more time to brew on this decision, Yes He brews

 

[MSX]

Despite getting frustrated (getting frustrated is in my blood), I'm having a really good time playing GT5.

Most of my frustration is coming from my janky set-up. I can't securely mount my shifter, it slides off the chair I have it on every couple of runs. The wheel is attatched to a glass table that moves if I'm too rough.

Aside from those things, I have a lot to learn. Getting Gold is TOUGH but that's a very good thing.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Despite getting frustrated (getting frustrated is in my blood), I'm having a really good time playing GT5.

Most of my frustration is coming from my janky set-up. I can't securely mount my shifter, it slides off the chair I have it on every couple of runs. The wheel is attatched to a glass table that moves if I'm too rough.

Aside from those things, I have a lot to learn. Getting Gold is TOUGH but that's a very good thing.

Glad you're enjoying it, but get a decent stand as soon as possible - personally I recommend the Wheelstand Pro. I struggled for a while with a homemade stand for a while - eventually I realised that I was having to pull on the rim to stop the pedals sliding away and that this could wreck the bearings - I got a Wheelstnd Pro and my driving experience was transformed - suddenly I was faster, more relaxed and totally comfortable!

 

[VBR]

PS4 and play Project cars until GT7, you will be happy!

Been there, done that, not happy. Wished that I stuck with GT on PS3, but after hearing the excellent car sounds on P CARS & DC I can't go back.

I had a great time in GT5 & GT6, especially clean online racing. @MSX - If you find a good group of guys in GT6, it's awesome!


👍

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Just ordered a G27 ($299.93 exact), should arrive Sunday. Now for the console and GT6.

Hey @MSX Great news! I just found a NEW G27 at Walmart.com for $259.00, that is a $40.00 Savings. Here is the link: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Logitech-...eid=cricpa123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

You can return the one you purchased after you wild out on it for a week or so because I know you're loving to driving it, but afterwards you get the feel for it, you can return it and purchase it from Walmart. Walmart also offers protect plans up to 4 years for about $39.00 for 3-Year plan and 45.00 for the 4-year plan. Here is the link:http://see.walmart.com/walmart/protection-plans/ if anything goes wrong, they will have it fixed or replaced, and when you sell it I believe it is transferable to the next user.


Found Another G27 $225.00http://www.memorydepot.com/detail/941-000045.html?gclid=CJS13LfjrsgCFQ02gQodXYII9Q Not Sure about warranty protection though.

Despite getting frustrated (getting frustrated is in my blood), I'm having a really good time playing GT5.

Most of my frustration is coming from my janky set-up. I can't securely mount my shifter, it slides off the chair I have it on every couple of runs. The wheel is attatched to a glass table that moves if I'm too rough.

Aside from those things, I have a lot to learn. Getting Gold is TOUGH but that's a very good thing.

Glad you're having a ball with GT5 but for the most immersive driving experience you will need a Wheelstand, remember these?

Here are three great options for you:


1. Ultimate Wheelstand (What I currently own)





The ultimate Wheelstand is $89.99 + Free Shipping
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084EG3ZA?keywords=Ultimate Wheelstand&qid=1443700990&ref_=sr_1_sc_1&sr=8-1-spell
(You will have to drill holes in the base to secure the pedals to keep them from shifting Left and Right)



2. GT Omega (My next purchase)






The GT Omega is the best buy if you have a little extra it is all metal for $149.00 and you have a choice of two optional side gear shifter mount attachments available for $20.00 extra Sold in The U.S. + Free Shipping

https://usa.gtomegaracing.com/gt-omega-steering-wheel-stand


3. Wheelstand Pro



$163.00 NEW $139 Refurbished: + Shipping $14.59= Ground or $28.79 =3 Day
http://www.wheelstandpro.us/for-logitech-g27-g25-g29-and-g920-wheel-from-dallas-texas/

 

[MSX]

Glad you're enjoying it, but get a decent stand as soon as possible - personally I recommend the Wheelstand Pro. I struggled for a while with a homemade stand for a while - eventually I realised that I was having to pull on the rim to stop the pedals sliding away and that this could wreck the bearings - I got a Wheelstnd Pro and my driving experience was transformed - suddenly I was faster, more relaxed and totally comfortable!

I'll probably go with the Wheelstand Pro, it's very nice. All the stands Hebrew posted are nice too, though.

There's tons wrong with my current set-up (I hate even calling it that) but I can still play and work on things I need to work on -- I just can't perfect anything (well, I could but it would take a lot more work for no real reason).

Finally hit a dead-end today with the license trials. I can't seem to get Silver on any of the trials, I have a lot of work to do. Lol

I need to keep in mind that I'm trying to learn actual skill instead of going for Gold trophies but it's difficult to do without being able to feel the entire car -- weight transfers, the road, etc. This should be a little better once I get a proper set-up established.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I'll probably go with the Wheelstand Pro, it's very nice. All the stands Hebrew posted are nice too, though.

Great Choice! Wheelstand Pro is one of the better wheelstands, I had my eye on it too for a long while, until I saw the GT Omega, I like the positioning of the GT Omega gear shifter, it's lower like a real car, the Wheelstand Pro the gear shifter is closer to the wheel, which may result in quicker shifting because it's closer to the steering wheel like V8 Super Car Series sequential shifters.

I need to keep in mind that I'm trying to learn actual skill instead of going for Gold trophies but it's difficult to do without being able to feel the entire car -- weight transfers, the road, etc. This should be a little better once I get a proper set-up established

You can always come back and get Silver and Gold licenses, Bronze will get you into the career races, So do your best in licensing and get to career mode, that will give you practice to improve your skill level that you will need to get better license placements.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I'll probably go with the Wheelstand Pro, it's very nice. All the stands Hebrew posted are nice too, though.

There's tons wrong with my current set-up (I hate even calling it that) but I can still play and work on things I need to work on -- I just can't perfect anything (well, I could but it would take a lot more work for no real reason).

Finally hit a dead-end today with the license trials. I can't seem to get Silver on any of the trials, I have a lot of work to do. Lol

I need to keep in mind that I'm trying to learn actual skill instead of going for Gold trophies but it's difficult to do without being able to feel the entire car -- weight transfers, the road, etc. This should be a little better once I get a proper set-up established.

I agree with what @Haulin_Hebrew said above and when you are ready for online click on my signature and check out our latest series - we specialise in recreating historic events using classic cars. These are our current series and we have other exciting series planned throughout 2016:

 

[MSX]

I'm having issues keeping my Silvia S15 Type-R (no tuning yet, I want to get comfortable with stock) on the track. I have TSC set to "OFF", Hard Standard Tires (the ones right above the Sport tires) and I try to watch my throttle and brake as much as possible when going into a corner. Perhaps I'm not breaking and accelerating correctly? Probably either too much or too less of both.

I'm trying to complete the FR Beginner Race and the other cars keep bumping into me (This really gets on my nerves as I highly doubt people would be slamming into my rear on an actual track), causing me to spin out. Even the slightest touch pushes me way off the road.

I have TSC off because I read it matches real life closer than having it on (or set to 5/default) but man, would my vehicle really behave this way in real life? One small touch and the entire car spins out?

I'm sure 85% of the problem is me and my inputs but the other 25% can't help but to fault the game a little for it. Some of these spin outs are absolutely ridiculous and have me literally scratching my head in confusion.

Can anyone shed some light on this? I'm not trying to make excuses or anything. I just want to diagnose the issue so I know what to work on and improve accordingly.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I'm having issues keeping my Silvia S15 Type-R (no tuning yet, I want to get comfortable with stock) on the track. I have TSC set to "OFF", Hard Standard Tires (the ones right above the Sport tires) and I try to watch my throttle and brake as much as possible when going into a corner. Perhaps I'm not breaking and accelerating correctly? Probably either too much or too less of both.

I'm trying to complete the FR Beginner Race and the other cars keep bumping into me (This really gets on my nerves as I highly doubt people would be slamming into my rear on an actual track), causing me to spin out. Even the slightest touch pushes me way off the road.

I have TSC off because I read it matches real life closer than having it on (or set to 5/default) but man, would my vehicle really behave this way in real life? One small touch and the entire car spins out?

I'm sure 85% of the problem is me and my inputs but the other 25% can't help but to fault the game a little for it. Some of these spin outs are absolutely ridiculous and have me literally scratching my head in confusion.

Can anyone shed some light on this? I'm not trying to make excuses or anything. I just want to diagnose the issue so I know what to work on and improve accordingly.

The AI in the game don't have much I (Intelligence) and they doggedly follow the same line regardless of whether another car (i.e. your car) is in the way. You will particularly notice this when you do Nascar racing on an oval track - the solution to that one is to follow a slightly different line to the AI cars as with Nascar they draft up to your rear and spin you out.

As a beginner it is natural that the AI cars will be faster than you unless you have a tyre and / or car advantage - this will change as you become a faster driver until to create a competitive race you will need less grippy tyres or a slower car to get a close race. Try to overtake on the approach to the corner by braking slightly later than the AI car and stay on your line following a nice smooth line around the corner - try to look as far ahead around the corner as you can - just as you would on a real track. When I started I braked too late, lost all my speed, came almost to a stop and made every corner too tight - as you get more experienced you will find that you brake less and maintain higher corner speed and use the full width of the track taking a good line through the corner by not braking too late.

Keep practising - it will come. If you want to make the car faster without losing its stock feel try fitting the close ratio gearbox - it will improve acceleration and should help your lap time on the beginner races.

Added by edit: If you are having difficulty with a track or event, try driving the car in time trial mode on the track on your own. You can download your own best lap replay and chase this until you learn fast lines round a track then go back into the event and having gained a second or two per lap by practising on your own you should now be able to win the event,

 

[MSX]

The AI in the game don't have much I (Intelligence) and they doggedly follow the same line regardless of whether another car (i.e. your car) is in the way. You will particularly notice this when you do Nascar racing on an oval track - the solution to that one is to follow a slightly different line to the AI cars as with Nascar they draft up to your rear and spin you out.

As a beginner it is natural that the AI cars will be faster than you unless you have a tyre and / or car advantage - this will change as you become a faster driver until to create a competitive race you will need less grippy tyres or a slower car to get a close race. Try to overtake on the approach to the corner by braking slightly later than the AI car and stay on your line following a nice smooth line around the corner - try to look as far ahead around the corner as you can - just as you would on a real track. When I started I braked too late, lost all my speed, came almost to a stop and made every corner too tight - as you get more experienced you will find that you brake less and maintain higher corner speed and use the full width of the track taking a good line through the corner by not braking too late.

Keep practising - it will come. If you want to make the car faster without losing its stock feel try fitting the close ratio gearbox - it will improve acceleration and should help your lap time on the beginner races.

Added by edit: If you are having difficulty with a track or event, try driving the car in time trial mode on the track on your own. You can download your own best lap replay and chase this until you learn fast lines round a track then go back into the event and having gained a second or two per lap by practising on your own you should now be able to win the event,

Oh yeah, tell me about it. The AI is so annoying, get the hell out of the way! I also hate how if they tap you from the rear, you go flying off the course but if you do the same to them, hardly anything happens.

I know about the Late Braking Technique. The problem is when I try doing this on Turn 2 of Grand Valley, there are so many cars turning in to the corner that I almost always end up slamming into someone. Sometimes, I get lucky and swoop passed them all but that's luck -- not skill. I just need to follow your advice and continue practicing.

If I have difficulty with a race (can't beat it in 3 tries), I will learn the course via free run. I know nothing about tuning or messing with the gear box but I may try that. It's really difficult to learn about tuning because there's so much to learn about cars in general. I honestly have no idea where to begin. I kind of always figured I'd get a car I want IRL, fall in love with it and learn everything about that car. I can't seem to get in a position to start saving, though. I have a lot of bad luck, must have been cursed in a past life (lol).

Edit: What settings/parts do I mess with to improve cornering? Please be as detailed as possible so I can completely understand for simulation and real life purposes. I'd love to know what I'm doing and rely on myself, rather than to be clueless and rely on others.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Oh yeah, tell me about it. The AI is so annoying, get the hell out of the way! I also hate how if they tap you from the rear, you go flying off the course but if you do the same to them, hardly anything happens.

I know about the Late Braking Technique. The problem is when I try doing this on Turn 2 of Grand Valley, there are so many cars turning in to the corner that I almost always end up slamming into someone. Sometimes, I get lucky and swoop passed them all but that's luck -- not skill. I just need to follow your advice and continue practicing.

If I have difficulty with a race (can't beat it in 3 tries), I will learn the course via free run. I know nothing about tuning or messing with the gear box but I may try that. It's really difficult to learn about tuning because there's so much to learn about cars in general. I honestly have no idea where to begin. I kind of always figured I'd get a car I want IRL, fall in love with it and learn everything about that car. I can't seem to get in a position to start saving, though. I have a lot of bad luck, must have been cursed in a past life (lol).

Edit: What settings/parts do I mess with to improve cornering? Please be as detailed as possible so I can completely understand for simulation and real life purposes. I'd love to know what I'm doing and rely on myself, rather than to be clueless and rely on others.

Search on GTPlanet for tuning guides written by Motor City Hami. I presume at the moment you are playing GT5 - if so Motor City Hami has written a GT5 guide for non-tuners. I used the principles detailed in his guide to create base setups for my GT5 cars, but it is beyond the scope of this thread to give a detailed answer - best to read the guide. He has also written guidance for GT6. There is a tuning section on GTPlanet. If you want to try out tunes by other people I normally find the ones by Motor City Hami, Praiano and @feydrautha (Arrakis Speedshop) are fast.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Edit: What settings/parts do I mess with to improve cornering? Please be as detailed as possible so I can completely understand for simulation and real life purposes. I'd love to know what I'm doing and rely on myself, rather than to be clueless and rely on others.

It depends on the car you are driving, and drivetrain, and whether it is over steering or under steering, But for FR when cornering most of your braking should be in the approach to the turn, and then you are coasting until you hit the apex, if you can't get your car to competitively navigate toward the inside of the turn then you need suspension tuning, if you car can't reach or maintain a line toward the inner part of the curve or you are drifting wide, you are suffering from understeer, and if you are spinning out before you reach the apex then you are suffering from Oversteering you should tune your suspension to maximize cornering approach, but after you hit the apex is when you start to accelerate out of the corner, if you are spinning out your suffering from oversteer, tune your LSD to maximize corner exit.

I have a tuning guide on my Youtube channel it is for Project CARS, but the principle is the same: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMVh35EpjZEHpBxjzXI_3PvAL_Fgaxkk4

 

[Johnnypenso]

If I have difficulty with a race (can't beat it in 3 tries), I will learn the course via free run. I know nothing about tuning or messing with the gear box but I may try that. It's really difficult to learn about tuning because there's so much to learn about cars in general. I honestly have no idea where to begin. I kind of always figured I'd get a car I want IRL, fall in love with it and learn everything about that car. I can't seem to get in a position to start saving, though. I have a lot of bad luck, must have been cursed in a past life (lol).

The problem with tuning in GT is that not everything works, some things are backwards, and some things have very little effect. You cannot tune a car in GT using real world tuning principles and get the best tune for a car. @Motor City Hami has tuning nailed in GT5 and GT6 IMO and his Tuning Garage is a great resource.

 

[Motor City Hami]

The problem with tuning in GT is that not everything works, some things are backwards, and some things have very little effect. You cannot tune a car in GT using real world tuning principles and get the best tune for a car. @Motor City Hami has tuning nailed in GT5 and GT6 IMO and his Tuning Garage is a great resource.

I bought Forza 6 a few weeks ago and its amazing that the tuning settings do pretty much what the in-game descriptions say except for toe, which is most definitely backward. The art in Forza isn't in trying to decipher what each setting does, it is more in finding the right combination of settings.

My new wheel will be here at the end of the month, along with a copy of Project Cars.

As far as the OP asking about GT6 on PS3 vs. waiting for GT7 on PS4, you already have a PS4, correct? I would try Project Cars and Asseta Corsa and get the G29, if I were in your shoes. Then, if you still have cash remaining, buy a reconditioned PS3 and GT6. If you have the cash and if this is your main passion, then we will always feed that passion right up to the edge of our financial ability. So where does your disposable income end and how far does that take you down your priority list?

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I bought Forza 6 a few weeks ago and its amazing that the tuning settings do pretty much what the in-game descriptions say except for toe, which is most definitely backward. The art in Forza isn't in trying to decipher what each setting does, it is more in finding the right combination of settings.

My new wheel will be here at the end of the month, along with a copy of Project Cars.

As far as the OP asking about GT6 on PS3 vs. waiting for GT7 on PS4, you already have a PS4, correct? I would try Project Cars and Asseta Corsa and get the G29, if I were in your shoes. Then, if you still have cash remaining, buy a reconditioned PS3 and GT6. If you have the cash and if this is your main passion, then we will always feed that passion right up to the edge of our financial ability. So where does your disposable income end and how far does that take you down your priority list?

I've long been a fan of your work Motor City Hami and will be interested in your opinions on Forza 6 once you have got your new wheel. I'm unlikely to go that route myself because my wheel is PS3 and PS4 compatible and due to cost I'll be delaying purchase of a PS4 as long as possible, but I will be interested in your views.

I think the Op is currently playing GT5 on a PS3 with a G27 and doesn't have a PS4.

 

[MSX]

It depends on the car you are driving, and drivetrain, and whether it is over steering or under steering, But for FR when cornering most of your braking should be in the approach to the turn, and then you are coasting until you hit the apex, if you can't get your car to competitively navigate toward the inside of the turn then you need suspension tuning, if you car can't reach or maintain a line toward the inner part of the curve or you are drifting wide, you are suffering from understeer, and if you are spinning out before you reach the apex then you are suffering from Oversteering you should tune your suspension to maximize cornering approach, but after you hit the apex is when you start to accelerate out of the corner, if you are spinning out your suffering from oversteer, tune your LSD to maximize corner exit.

I have a tuning guide on my Youtube channel it is for Project CARS, but the principle is the same: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMVh35EpjZEHpBxjzXI_3PvAL_Fgaxkk4

Thanks, this cleared a lot up for me. I'll check your video out when I have time.

The problem with tuning in GT is that not everything works, some things are backwards, and some things have very little effect. You cannot tune a car in GT using real world tuning principles and get the best tune for a car. @Motor City Hami has tuning nailed in GT5 and GT6 IMO and his Tuning Garage is a great resource.

Man, this sucks. I suppose all I should use GT for is to learn lines...that seems like the only thing that will translate to real life. I wonder why this is...did Polyphony not pay attention to the tuning settings or something?

I bought Forza 6 a few weeks ago and its amazing that the tuning settings do pretty much what the in-game descriptions say except for toe, which is most definitely backward. The art in Forza isn't in trying to decipher what each setting does, it is more in finding the right combination of settings.

My new wheel will be here at the end of the month, along with a copy of Project Cars.

As far as the OP asking about GT6 on PS3 vs. waiting for GT7 on PS4, you already have a PS4, correct? I would try Project Cars and Asseta Corsa and get the G29, if I were in your shoes. Then, if you still have cash remaining, buy a reconditioned PS3 and GT6. If you have the cash and if this is your main passion, then we will always feed that passion right up to the edge of our financial ability. So where does your disposable income end and how far does that take you down your priority list?

I do not have a PS4 but I may get one for Christmas depending on how I feel. Asseta Corsa looks cool, especially if the physics mimic the real world feel of a car.

I'm currently playing GT6. I had GT5 for about a week but upgraded to GT6 last Saturday and I'm glad I did.

My income is far from disposable. I have a part time job that pays $10 h/r, lol. It sucks having big dreams/expensive taste and a small income. Oh well.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I do not have a PS4 but I may get one for Christmas depending on how I feel. Asseta Corsa looks cool, especially if the physics mimic the real world feel of a car.

I'm currently playing GT6. I had GT5 for about a week but upgraded to GT6 last Saturday and I'm glad I did.

My income is far from disposable. I have a part time job that pays $10 h/r, lol. It sucks having big dreams/expensive taste and a small income. Oh well.

I went back and re-read that. Sorry I missed it. So you currently have a PS3 and GT6? If so, there are going to be a lot of used wheels available soon as we all migrate to PS4 or XBOX One. Maybe look around for a Logitech Driving Force GT. At the very least you can start to get familiar with a wheel and the physics of GT6. Visit my garage links in my signature below. This should help you get started with tuning. At the top of my garage, I have posted quick tunes by drive train. That's a fast way to start. Then maybe try some of the tunes and if you really start to get into tuning, you can read the tuning guide in detail.

 

[uncle_pollo]

I'll wait for gt8 and ps5

 

[MidnightRun85]

I'm also thinking of investing in a wheel. @MSX, do you think it was a worthwhile investment from your experience with it so far? I'm liking the sounds of the Thrustmaster T150 as a starter - anyone got any thoughts on this?

Been playing GT6 with DS3 for about 4 months, and while I'm about 65% of the way through the career modes, I'm starting to struggle with some of the races in IA which rely a lot on being a smoother driver (Rainmasters, NASCAR, etc.) than you can achieve with the DS3.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm also thinking of investing in a wheel. @MSX, do you think it was a worthwhile investment from your experience with it so far? I'm liking the sounds of the Thrustmaster T150 as a starter - anyone got any thoughts on this?

Been playing GT6 with DS3 for about 4 months, and while I'm about 65% of the way through the career modes, I'm starting to struggle with some of the races in IA which rely a lot on being a smoother driver (Rainmasters, NASCAR, etc.) than you can achieve with the DS3.

Depends on your budget. I'd say if you can afford a T300 then go for it. Short of that, the T150 is the cheapest option at this point. If you get a good deal around Black Friday/Christmas, that would be the time to pull the trigger. Watch the Hardware Forum closely as they'll put up the best deals there when they happen or set some alerts for Amazon and other retailers.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Depends on your budget. I'd say if you can afford a T300 then go for it. Short of that, the T150 is the cheapest option at this point. If you get a good deal around Black Friday/Christmas, that would be the time to pull the trigger. Watch the Hardware Forum closely as they'll put up the best deals there when they happen or set some alerts for Amazon and other retailers.

I forgot about Black Friday! The T300 is like double the price of the T150 isn't it?